Debates of Feb. 2nd, 2010

This is page numbers 3873 - 3910 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 51-16(4): Increase To Minimum Wage

Sale Of Government Assets Outside Of The NWT

Sole-Source Contracts And GNWT Accountability

Health Issues In Fort Liard

Hay River Celebrations For 2010 Winter Olympics

Condolences To The Families Of The Late Raymond Beck Jr. And Delores Beaulieu

Parking For People With Disabilities

Addictions And Substance Abuse Programs In Nunakput

Need For Coordinated NWT Energy Strategy

Importance Of Natural Resources To Aboriginal Peoples

High Cost Of Living In The NWT

Caribou Management Measures

Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

Cost Of Living Initiatives Included In The 2010-2011 Main Estimates

Aboriginal Ownership Of NWT Hydro Projects

Constituent’s Health Issues

High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

Increased Penalty For Illegal Parking In Identified Handicapped Parking Areas

Written Question 16-16(4): Details On Contracts Awarded To Former Ministers

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 8, 2010

Bill 11:

An Act To Amend The Workers’ Compensation Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:36 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 51-16(4): Increase To Minimum Wage

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment would like to announce that starting on April 1, 2010, minimum wage in the Northwest Territories is going up.

This is the first increase to the minimum wage in the Northwest Territories since 2003. Despite the high cost of living, the Northwest Territories’ minimum wage rate fell behind the national average and has not kept up with increases in other costs like rent, groceries and fuel.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment is phasing in the changes over the next two years. In 2010 the rate increases to $9 an hour and effective April 2, 2011, the rate goes up to $10 an hour.

During the development of the Employment Standards Act and Regulations in 2008, we had very few comments from workers and businesses in the Northwest Territories about minimum wage. But as the economy began to falter in late 2008 and 2009, we began to hear that it was time for an increase. It is important that people are able to earn sufficient wages to be independent, while contributing to the economic activity of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the department contacted more than 80 employers during the summer of 2009, to learn the potential impacts of an increased minimum wage.

Overall, most employers felt the existing rate of $8.25 an hour was not enough. In fact, most employers are already paying more than the

minimum wage, to recruit and retain skilled workers.

There are some businesses that will have to adapt to the increases. The hospitality and service industry appear to be the area that may be most affected. The department is confident the two-phased approach will ease the financial burden on employers in these sectors.

Mr. Speaker, to inform employers and employees on the minimum wage increase, the department is launching a public awareness campaign across the Northwest Territories in the coming weeks.

Moving forward, the department is considering ways to implement future increases that will see regular and reasonable increases linked to other economic factors such as inflation and cost of living.

I trust that workers across the Northwest Territories welcome this change and will continue to contribute to a strong northern economy. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 51-16(4): Increase To Minimum Wage

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Sale Of Government Assets Outside Of The NWT

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories government has been looking at the so-called ATCO proposal. Mr. Speaker, there have been discussions between the Premier , the Minister of Finance and Nancy Southern of ATCO.

Mr. Speaker, with regard to assets this government owns, in excess of almost $200 million, it’s one of the largest assets this government has been able to retain after division. Mr. Speaker, the asset is owned not only by the Government of the Northwest Territories but the people of the Northwest Territories, which was transferred back in 1988 from the federal government.

It is very important that anything that happens by way of selling government assets should be retained by Northerners in regard to share equity and also looking at the possibility of equity of large

aboriginal corporations, development corporations, settlement corporations, yet nothing has been mentioned in discussions with First Nations governments or aboriginal corporations to see if they are interested in this project.

I know this is an issue that came up at the Beaufort Leaders’ Meeting. The Gwich’in Tribal Council were asking us why can’t the Gwich’in Development Corporation or the Gwich’in Tribal Council retain equity in the Taltson project or the selling off of any public assets whether it’s the Power Corporation in the Inuvik region or the potential of buying into high-scale hydro projects.

Mr. Speaker, this government has to be open to everyone and not just the first application that comes forward and gets dumped on Cabinet’s desk and then everyone else falls in line.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Premier questions on this matter on the consideration of aboriginal participation in any hydro projects and also allowing for equity participation, ensuring the assets we all own stay with the residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Sale Of Government Assets Outside Of The NWT

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Sole-Source Contracts And GNWT Accountability

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I’m returning to the topic of sole-source contracts to former Ministers in yet another attempt to wring some accountability and transparency from this government.

Mr. Speaker, in the last session, I filed a written question asking three very simple questions about sole-source contracts awarded to two firms. The firms -- John Todd Holdings and the Northern Strategy Group -- were hired at the same time to provide exactly the same services, each described as “uniquely” able to provide the service, for a total value of up to $228,000 at $1,500 a day.

My written question asked what federal, provincial or territorial meetings resulted from the contracts. The written answer gives no information on meetings and says only that the contractors, “...helped build relationships and offered advice.”

I asked what the subjects of discussions were. The written answer states no subjects, says only that, “...since the beginning of the 16th Assembly, the

GNWT has advanced four key political priorities with the federal government,” and then gives a website quality list of topics.

Finally, I asked the Minister to provide documents demonstrating that the services were received, which is a mandatory verification before payment can be approved. I was told -- and this is the most

disturbing answer of all, Mr. Speaker -- that, “...payment of invoices...indicates the acceptance of their work based on the terms of the contract.” In other words, the fact that they got a pay cheque is the proof that they did the work.

Mr. Speaker, this is outrageous. When Members are pushed to the extreme of prying information from the government with written questions, it is evasive, mischievous and disrespectful to the Assembly not to answer the question being asked. When this government signs contracts for almost a quarter of a million dollars of work, there had better be more evidence than a cheque stub to prove we got our money’s worth. When two firms are sole-source contracted to do the same thing at the same time, we had better be able to demonstrate we didn’t just pay twice for the same thing.

That’s why I ask my questions and I want answers. I will file my question again today with the expectation that the services will finally be provided in detail.

I expect to receive a detailed description of these deliverables in a form that would actually pass muster with the Auditor General or public. Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Health Issues In Fort Liard

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Today I want to speak about a concern that one of my constituents has raised about the health of the people in Fort Liard. Ms. Sonia Timbre has become aware that another person in her hometown of Fort Liard has been diagnosed with stomach cancer. She advises this brings the total number of diagnosed cases of stomach cancer and the number of deaths from stomach cancer up to 15. According to the 2006 Census, the population of Fort Liard was only 583 people, and 15 appears to her to be an extraordinarily large number of people with the same medical condition. Ms. Timbre decided to look into the causes.

She found that no specific causes had been identified but there are, however, several factors that are thought to cause this type of cancer. Diet is one. Also environmental factors such as exposure to certain dusts, moulds, fumes and other environmental agents is linked to a higher than average risk of stomach cancer. An infection, in particular infection by H. Pylori, which is usually found where there is pollution and has been found in other NWT communities, is also thought to be a cause. Ms. Timbre suspects it might be an environmental issue in and around Fort Liard that has caused such a high rate of stomach cancer and would like the government to examine this concern.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank my constituent for raising this issue. I think that Sonia Timbre has made a very good case for some research on this to be completed. Many of us have seen the suffering of friends and family who contract stomach cancer and it is a terrible disease and we need to try to find a way to prevent it.

I believe the Minister of Health and Social Services should investigate what is causing such a high rate of illness and death for Fort Liard residents. I support this and request an in-depth study into the serious condition and serious concern. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Hay River Celebrations For 2010 Winter Olympics

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, excitement is growing everywhere about the 2010 Winter Olympics being held in Vancouver. Yesterday, in our home community of Hay River, hundreds of people gathered at the Don Stewart Recreation Centre at a pep rally to celebrate the volunteers, artists and Hay River’s Olympic athlete, Brendan Green, who will be going to the Olympics.

Bob White and his pep rally committee worked hard to put together an outstanding presentation in only a few days.

Wally Schumann had a brand new banner and a custom painted “Support Brendan Green” red and green smart car that was driven out on the ice surface at the arena.

Hay River Olympic torch bearer Joseph Lirette, along with Hay River biathetes and Arctic Winter Games skiers came in with the track torch lit and fired up our track cauldron. The crowds roared and chanted. Young figure skaters carrying the Canadian, NWT and Hay River flags and minor hockey players skated through the fog and spotlights to heart thumping music and everyone had a Canadian flag.

The Hay River Ski Club has dedicated a trail to Brendan named the Brendan Green Olympic Trail. Glenn Smith had early home movies of Brendan just learning to ride his bike, catching his first fish,

driving his first golf ball, winning at track, from then to now in his world cup skiing. Craig Kovatch filmed it all and a video will be sent to Brendan and to the Legislative Assembly.

As I was unable to attend the pep rally, I would like to recognize the people from Hay River going to the Olympics and wish them good luck at the games: Hay River’s fiddler, Richard Lafferty; Cecile Deneyoua, a local artist and skilled moose hair tufter; Hay River’s Brendalynn Trennert, who does amazing caribou tufting and will have her work displayed at the Whistler Athlete Centre during the games; and, Andy McKay, a school counsellor at the Chief Sunrise School, who will be coaching the Dene games.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

----Unanimous consent grated.

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Hay River Celebrations For 2010 Winter Olympics

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

We have three youth ambassadors from Hay River: Michelle Daigneault, Rena Squirrel and Colton Yee. Tracy Cross was chosen as a volunteer to meet and greet guests and the airport in Vancouver. Desiree Boulanger-Rowe will be representing the NWT’s Francophone youth at the French pavilion. Hay River’s Brendan Green will be participating on the Canadian Biathlon Team.

To the volunteers, artists, and to Brendan, all of us again, from home, wish you every success in the Olympics. Good luck to everyone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Condolences To The Families Of The Late Raymond Beck Jr. And Delores Beaulieu

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to talk about two friends who recently passed away in Fort Resolution. Raymond Beck Jr. Passed away on Christmas Day 2009. He was 47 years old. He is survived by his mother, Doris; daughter, Chantel; brothers. Stanley, Roger, Arthur and Eric; and sisters, Barb, Verda, Della and Rebecca. He is predeceased by his father, Raymond Beck Sr.

Mr. Speaker, there was Delores Beaulieu, who was known as Dee Dee, who passed away just now, January 22nd . She was just 41 years old. She is

survived by her parents, Leonard and Terri Beaulieu; daughter, Tahnee; two sons, Brendon and Trystan; and granddaughter, Emma. She also leaves behind her sisters Mary-Lynn Delorme and Dawna Beaulieu and her brother Leonard Beaulieu

Jr. She was predeceased by one sister, Roseanne Beaulieu; granddaughter, Thyton Sayine-Beaulieu; grandparents, Pierre and MaryRose King and Johnny and Alice Beaulieu.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to pass my condolences on to the families of Dee Dee Beaulieu and Raymond Beck Jr. Mahsi cho.

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Condolences To The Families Of The Late Raymond Beck Jr. And Delores Beaulieu

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Parking For People With Disabilities

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to use my Member’s statement to sort of paint a picture about an experience that was brought to me by a constituent. Could you imagine your life if you were handicapped or a child of yours was handicapped? Moving around in this city is difficult enough with a child who is in a handicapped situation, but could you imagine how difficult it is from time to time finding parking spaces and you pull up to a parking lot to find that the vehicle occupying that space doesn’t have a handicap placard?

They came to me with this concern, and I’ve seen it many times myself, and realizing how challenging this must be. The discussion started by asking if people get extra demerit points for parking in handicap stalls when they’re not designated there. I approached the Department of Transportation and asked them, do we cause anything extra, above and beyond a fine of some sort, for people who park in handicap stalls? The response from the department is, of course, and probably rightly so, that this is a particular municipal issue and falls under their purview and authority. So no demerit points are issued because it’s not a moving violation.

I wonder if a $250 fine applied by municipal services is an accountability measure being met for people who park in these stalls. I certainly don’t think it is. I certainly can tell you that a constituent feels very strongly about this fact as well. They wonder why there are no demerits deducted from a particular person’s driver’s licence when they’re fined on these particular cases. Furthermore, they’ve said, why don’t they have court appearances where they have to account for their type of parking and behaviour?

It’s not asking a lot. A lot can be said about how a society treats their most disadvantaged and I wonder what message we’re sending here. Perhaps this is a chance to turn it around and send the right message that we stand with them through their difficult efforts and we certainly support them by sending the right message to people who cause this type of breach.

Later today I will ask questions of the Minister of Transportation to say if we can’t do this, what’s stopping us? If other jurisdictions don’t want to do this, why don’t we lead and show that we care about the most vulnerable? I will have questions later today for the Minister of Transportation .

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Parking For People With Disabilities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Addictions And Substance Abuse Programs In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my Member’s statement is on addiction to substance abuse programs. The substance abuse situation and the lack of real support services is in crisis in the Northwest Territories. It has one of the highest levels of addictions needs per capita in Canada with one of the lowest expenditures program assistance. This government continuously is criticized for the lack of real initiatives when it comes to the war against drugs and other forms of substance abuse, especially for the youth.

The government is in an excellent position to take a lead role with all levels of government, including the federal government and organizations, to create meaningful programs and infrastructure. I cannot understand why this government continues to spend millions on out-of-province support and resources only to have participants return to their home communities with no aftercare. Not only is this uncompassionate, it makes no business sense. People need post-program care.

It takes the same as sending a person to Edmonton with a serious back injury and not providing post-physiotherapy on their return to their home community.

I challenge this government to adopt a dual system to provide an equal number of days post-program assistance in their home community so if a participant spends 30 days in an addiction program, they’ll be given a minimum of 30 days professional support in their home communities.

All across the Territory community governments and organizations are saying the same thing. The community’s number one problem is not enough counselling support. The root of all problems comes from these issues: kids not doing well in school, people in endless cycles of social assistance, and dependencies on drugs and alcohol. The fact that the community’s real lack of support for people returning from substance abuse treatment is a shame.

I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Need For Coordinated NWT Energy Strategy

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after considering the budget address for awhile, I note that the 2010-11 budget does not include a coordinated NWT energy plan, and I’m disappointed in that. I may begin to sound like a broken record, and I apologize if I’m boring you, but I figure it bears repeating and I will keep harping away in the hope of a positive response eventually.

I can’t deny that this government has plans to pour, quite literally, millions of dollars into energy initiatives and projects. We heard the Finance Minister say last week that over four years we will spend $60 million on the GNWT Energy Investment Plan. I support these investments, but I still believe that if we had a coordinated plan of action for energy, a secretariat perhaps, that oversees, monitors and implements all things energy, we would accomplish more and in a better way. The work of this secretariat must encompass all of the NWT, not just the government and its employees.

Any plan must include specific actions from the little things such as encouraging people to turn off lights when leaving a room, to the mega energy projects like the Taltson expansion and everything in between. We need to ensure that our communities are part of this secretariat, because all NWT residents must be involved, and we all live in a community somewhere in our Territory.

Our energy secretariat would lead the way to establishing greenhouse gas targets for the GNWT and the whole Territory, would lead the way to put in place incentives, or maybe disincentives, to help residents, businesses and the government achieve the greenhouse gas targets. It could lead the way on making our infrastructure developments carbon neutral, for instance, could lead the way with an energy strategic planning process and subsequent action plan, and would lead the way on monitoring and reporting on that action plan.

I’ve said before and I will say again, we would do well to follow the example of the City of Yellowknife and their energy planning process. They did the planning, designed and adopted a plan, then put staff in place to make sure the plan was actioned, and they’ve been eminently successful in their endeavours. We can have that same success, but not by continuing to implement and plan in a piecemeal way as we do now.

This government does lots in the area of energy already, but we could be so much more successful if we had one energy leader, one area of government that looks after it all, that would ensure the planning happens and the job gets done, that directs the energy traffic, so to speak, and instils a culture of…

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Ms. Bisaro , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Need For Coordinated NWT Energy Strategy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I’m almost done. Mr. Speaker, we need that leader, that secretariat, so we have a common goal, so we can work cooperatively and in a coordinated manner to achieve that goal. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Importance Of Natural Resources To Aboriginal Peoples

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when I was in Fort Good Hope I sat down with an elder named Jim Pierrot. Jim Pierrot and I sat there and had some tea and Jim Pierrot said to me while talking with me over a cup of tea for about two and a half hours, and one statement he said to me, “Our land is holy.” I couldn’t get what he meant when he said “our land is holy.” I’ve been thinking about it for awhile, Mr. Speaker. Our elders tell us these certain phases for us to figure it out and to work on.

One of the things that as young people when you go see the elders, as our parents tell us, is that when you go sit with the elder, they’ll give you words and you try to live and work with the elders’ words. Mr. Speaker, the elders have always talked about the animals on our land, and the elders from Colville Lake talk about living with the caribou. They have a special relationship with the caribou, and they talk very strongly on this issue. We need to go in to see these elders and bring them into this Assembly and have them talk about these important things that are affecting us today.

Mr. Speaker, the elders also talk about the water, the importance of water. The Minister of ENR has initiated a strategy in terms of dealing with water. As we speak today, they’re pouring poison in the Mackenzie River through the Slave River, through Great Slave Lake down to the Mackenzie River. There’s actually poison coming down our river here and we’re doing nothing about it. We have strategies, we are doing things that we want to look at, but my people down the Mackenzie Valley are very, very concerned about the water issue, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we’re talking about our future today and it’s very important that we listen to our elders, bring them into the Assembly and talk about our future. We take care of the elders; the elders surely will take care of us and give us strong words to live by to do what is right in the future and to do what is right will make the people very happy, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am talking about our survival as people in the Northwest Territories, aboriginals, Metis, Dene, Inuvialuit. Mr. Speaker, I am talking

about our survival as a nation of people, that we have done for thousands and thousands of years. We have only done this by the advice and the guidance of our elders and to this government, we need to practice that today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Importance Of Natural Resources To Aboriginal Peoples

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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High Cost Of Living In The NWT

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to discuss an issue that touches each and every Member of this House and our constituents and that issue is the exorbitant cost of living in our communities, the single biggest issue facing this Territory. As Northerners, we pay more for everything. My perspective, Mr. Speaker, is obviously Yellowknife based. However, I have travelled to many of our smaller communities and have a solid understanding of the cost of living outside of Yellowknife and how these costs are affecting the livability and social fabric of our communities.

Mr. Speaker, it is little wonder why I am so concerned over the status of the Deh Cho Bridge and the potential to increase the cost of living here in the North Slave region and all the communities that are serviced by air out of Yellowknife. A constituent of mine has recently started a Facebook group rallying support against the high cost of living here in Yellowknife. If we wonder why people are leaving, we don’t have to search very far for answers. It is the high cost of living. Home heating fuel, gas, power, water, food, rent, home prices and taxes are all sky high.

Interestingly enough, Mr. Speaker, at the onset of this government, Cabinet decided that it would develop specialized Strategic Initiatives committees to deal with the variety of government priorities. One of these committees was the Strategic Initiatives committee to deal with none other than the high cost of living. We are 27 months into the life of this government and I can recall only one update coming from this committee in the time that we’ve been here. Given the importance of this issue, it is very hard to understand why the work being done by this committee is being kept under wraps.

Regular Members are in the dark, the public is left wondering what this government is doing to alleviate the high cost of living. Is any work actually getting done, Mr. Speaker? Where is the lead Minister of this strategic committee in addressing the high cost of living, Ms. Lee ? How is she showing both Members and the public that this committee is advancing any meaningful ideas? Quite frankly, Mr. Speaker, she is invisible on this very important watch and I will have questions for

the lead Minister on the high cost of living at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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High Cost Of Living In The NWT

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the gallery today to the presence of our Conflict of Interest Commissioner, Mr. Gerry Gerrand, who is with us today.

---Applause

We welcome everyone in the gallery today. I hope you are enjoying the proceedings. It is always nice to have an audience in here. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are on caribou today. I am wondering, first of all, for the Minister, in consultation leading up to the ban, how did the Minister take into consideration the fact that the Yellowknives Dene had not settled their land claims negotiations? Thank you.

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We recognize very clearly that this is a politically complex part of the country with Tlicho with settled claims, and the Yellowknives Tlicho with unsettled claims, along with the Northwest Territories Metis, the largest population centre, the most heavily drawn upon herd in the Northwest Territories. We recognize that this whole process we are engaged in the longer term process for our Caribou Management Plan is going to require whole involvement of all the aboriginal governments. We are committed to doing that.

When we looked at the ban, we looked at the caribou numbers that were done, recognizing, as the Premier pointed out, that caribou don’t look at political jurisdiction, they just do what they do. The numbers are precipitously dropped over the last three years and we made the decision based on the conservation aspects. Thank you.

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate those remarks. I recognize there is the conservation issue for the caribou. According to the Minister’s experts, mineral developments have removed about 4 percent of the Bathurst range from them, through disturbance and avoidance. The experts also say that the harvestable rate, the maintainable rate is about 4 percent. With the range diminished by that much, ongoing harvest would be focussed on either fewer caribou or on caribou with reduced vigour and

unable to handle the same amount of harvest. This could contribute to the decline and it requires consideration and management action. Along with the ban on hunting, what restrictions is the Minister placing on mineral development activity to protect the caribou, and if it is beyond the range of this jurisdiction, what recommendations is he making to the federal government in that direction?

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Each of the diamond mines was reviewed and I’ve given approval. The issue of cumulative impact is one that has come more and more into the forefront as we look at resource development. What we’re dealing with, with the band, is a short-term period of three to four months that will get us through the hunting season and allow the longer-term process for a harvest management plan to be put into effect.

It’s during that longer-term process that the work done to look at what the effects are, what are the variables that are driving the caribou numbers down have to be taken into consideration so that we can make the best decisions possible. If out of that process comes the issue of requirement for review of the cumulative impact, then we’ll be responding to those recommendations as they come forward.

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I’m looking forward to action on that front. Obviously they are having impact, as the Minister’s own staff are telling us. What monitoring is being one to at least measure the continuing harvest of Bathurst caribou from the range that’s under the restriction of the ban?

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We’ve enhanced the coverage with the officers around Yellowknife. As well, they’re working in Behchoko with staff. We’ve also taken on some part-time seasonal staff to assist the officers that are currently on the job.

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for those comments. We’ve become pretty good over the years at monitoring the caribou at their calving grounds. It’s been a long process, but I think the counts now are at least statistically sound and so on, and increasingly reliable. But to date we have not been able to measure or count dead caribou. That has greatly reduced our ability to manage the current situation and the past situation that’s allowed this to develop. What is the Minister doing to enable us to be able to count accurately dead caribou and thus actually manage the harvest in a sound and reasonable way before it gets to an emergency situation?

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Member makes a good point. There is a wide range of numbers in terms of the harvest in the North Slave on the Bathurst; anywhere from 7,000 to 10,000 a year, depending on who you talk to. The issue is, and part of the harvest management plan is going

to have to deal with the issue, the requirement for mandatory reporting from all harvesters. Right now we can tell how many outfitters there are, how many resident tags there are, but we have no clear idea except on a voluntary basis on the aboriginal harvest. So part of the ability to have a good harvest management plan is to set up a process agreeable to all parties that is going to allow us to get that information so we can count with considerably more accuracy the amount of animals taken out of any given herd, be it the Bathurst, the Cape Bathurst, the Porcupine, Bluenose-West, East, Ahiak, or the Beverly.

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Question 233-16(4): Caribou Management Measures

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of ENR regarding the traditional knowledge policy this government is leading in terms of this very important issue of caribou survival. I want to ask the Minister in terms of the type of involvement. Can he indicate to me the traditional knowledge information from the elders? Is there any indication of records and meetings? The elders have spoken about this issue here and what could be done with the survival of the herd. What have the elders told him?

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The elders, aboriginal governments, aboriginal leaders, all Northerners have told us that caribou are of critical importance. I quoted part of a motion that was made in the Dene Assembly in 2007 that exemplifies and gives voice to that concern through our traditional knowledge process. I can point to some very specific things we have done. For example, on the Water Strategy we have done it with an aboriginal oversight committee. We have worked with all the communities up and down the valley. We have held workshops with our Species at Risk Act.

We’ve worked very closely with the co-management boards and their representatives to do the drafting the same as we’re doing with the Wildlife Act. We work on a daily basis, almost, on all the caribou issues with the boards constituted through land claims, to deal with various issues like the caribou.

In this region at all the tables that we have had these consultations and work, there’s been a seat for the Akaitcho and for the Yellowknives. I can tell you, unfortunately, for example with the Water Strategy, that the seat has remained unoccupied. With the Species at Risk Act the seat has remained unoccupied. With the Wildlife Act the seat has

remained unoccupied. We would be very welcoming and happy to have all the aboriginal governments and their representatives at the table, but we are fully committed to the process of involvement and traditional knowledge.

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The Minister has indicated the number of successful points in terms of him getting feedback from the aboriginal governments and leaders, and probably through the elders. I want to ask the Minister in terms of this specific issue of the caribou with respect to what the elders specifically said to him about the issue of the caribou in terms of the survival to the aboriginal people. What has the Minister heard from the elders down the Mackenzie Valley regarding the caribou and how to deal or live with the caribou?

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I can point to the two workshops that were held I believe in October, here at the ski chalet, where we brought in representatives from all the stakeholders from around the lake and from some southern jurisdictions. Many of them were elder status, if we use 50 or 60 as the gauge for elder status. The information, insight, exhortation that we got was very similar to what we hear up and down the valley about the value and importance of the caribou, the need to respect the animals, the need to make sure we do the right thing so that our grandchildren and future generations are in fact able to exercise their rights, because there will be caribou going far into the future.

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

A difference of opinions for the elders; Mr. Miltenberger has used the status of 50 years and over as an elder. If you have that number, then I think you have a few elders sitting around this table here. He also indicated to respect the animals. I guess I wanted to ask what the Minister has heard from the elders. I’ve heard the elders saying they put collars onto our caribou, and the elders don’t like that. They say to take the collars off. What collars are on the animals? That’s showing a real disrespect to the caribou. I want to ask the Minister if he has heard this from the elders, of putting collars on the caribou.

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We have heard that concern from some elders, but we also know that if you take the long view that it is actually out of respect, that we’re doing this to try to get the best understanding possible about the caribou, which covers vast tracks of land and moving as only caribou know how they’re going to move, so that we can have the information to make the most informed decision both as co-management boards and as the territorial government. We do it very carefully. We do it with as much involvement of the local aboriginal governments and co-management boards as possible, recognizing that there is a fundamental need for some very basic up-to-date and comprehensive information on numbers.

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last summer when we completed the hike on the CANOL Trail, the last 50 miles, the first thing that we did was we went to see the elders and talk about the last 50 miles of the CANOL. The elders talked about the trail and what we should be looking for, because the elders have travelled on that land, similar to what the caribou have travelled. Our elders have travelled all over the land on this vast tract of land. I want to know from the Minister about the involvement and input of elders when they say things about the caribou.

It seems that we give more weight to the scientific method of evidence and more weight to decision-making than to our traditional knowledge expertise in the communities. Can the Minister indicate to me, in terms of going forward, that this issue on banning caribou and this specific issue, more weight went on the scientific evidence than the traditional knowledge by our elders?

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I would submit to the Member and to this House that, in fact, this government has a very aggressive, very positive, forward-thinking Traditional Knowledge Strategy. It’s formalized. It applies to all government. ENR has a lead role to play, but it’s involved in all the critical work we do with water, with caribou, with legislation, with education, with health. We have made, and we’re going to continue to make, a strong commitment. We’ve invested money. It’s part of our corporate mentality going forward, and it’s recognized as a very fundamental need. Our science agenda makes very, very clear reference to the need to balance both the scientific and the traditional knowledge.

So I would suggest to the Member that he should be congratulating this government on the investment in farsighted attempts they have made and practices they have put into place with traditional knowledge, and we’re going to continue to do that. Thank you.

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Question 234-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures And Traditional Knowledge

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 235-16(4): Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are addressed to the Finance Minister and the lead Minister for the Refocusing Government committee. I’d like to ask the Minister, in the preparation of the 2010-11 budget by the Minister, what consideration was given to the coordination of energy projects and initiatives to coordinate them into one area or one body, and was that reflected in the budget. Thank you.

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Question 235-16(4): Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 235-16(4): Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have a Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee that plays a very lead role in terms of bringing together all the resources and planning functions that relate to that. Tied into that, in an advisory capacity of course, we have the Climate Change Committee. There are tie-ins with other work that’s being done in terms of electrical rate reviews and those types of things. We’ve also committed to the broad government approach to redo our Greenhouse Gas Strategy, but the central focus for government here in this Assembly has been the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee chaired by my colleague Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for that response, but I think he kind of made my point for me. We have a strategy. We have a plan. We have a committee. We don’t have one body, one organization, which takes everything that we are doing in terms of energy and puts it under one roof, which, as I said in my statement, directs the traffic. I think that’s something that’s necessary. I’d like to know from the Minister what sorts of Cabinet discussions have taken place in regard to the possibility of establishing something like an energy secretariat. Thank you.

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

I’ll restate my answer a little more clearly. The Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee plays that function. It’s comprised of the chair, Minister McLeod, the Premier sits on that, Minister Michael McLeod sits on it, I sit on it, and I believe Minister Robert C. McLeod sits on it as well, and we have some of the senior staff of government as we look at how do we best put into play all the resources we’ve dedicated, as well as making sure we have the appropriate planning processes to best marshal all our forces going forward. Thank you.

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Question 235-16(4): Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I accept the Minister’s response, but again, that plan, the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee does not look beyond the Government of the Northwest Territories. If we’re going to have anything that is going to get us to a good place, we need to involve all the residents of the Territories, not just this government and its employees. Again, there is no one body which is looking at all of the things that we do in terms of energy and putting it under one roof. The Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee, for instance, I don’t believe is involved in an education campaign to try and get people to turn off the lights when they leave a room.

Having said that, I’d like to ask the Minister: we have an NGO who does an awful lot of work for us, the Arctic Energy Alliance. I’d like to know from the Minister why we can’t put them to work for us, either to act as an energy secretariat or to help us

develop an NWT-wide coordinated energy plan. Thank you.

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Question 235-16(4): Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that the territorial government, in fact, looks far beyond its own operations as we look at things like the Taltson hydro project to get power up in the North Slave Geological Province. We’re working with communities to help them get their community energy strategies in place. We are a major funder for the Arctic Energy Alliance, which we, I would point out, have taken from death’s door one Assembly ago and we’ve funded them to the point where now they are doing a significant amount of work with us on conservation, on advice on a lot of other energy initiatives.

We have a Biomass Strategy. We’re coming forward with mini-hydro. We’re redoing our Greenhouse Gas Strategy. We’re doing an extensive amount of work as a government, both in our own operations as well trying to plan for the whole Territory, working with communities and other organizations. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 235-16(4): Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I have to thank the Minister for making my point for me. He said we have this, and then we have this, and then we have this, and then we have this. We need a coordinated plan. I would like to know from the Minister, if the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee is so coordinated, where is the plan on paper that I could get from the Minister and when can I have it? Thank you.

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Question 235-16(4): Coordination Efforts For NWT Energy Initiatives

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, We have a number of… You can look at departmental strategic plans. You can look at the business plan. You can look at the Energy Plan that is in place along with the Greenhouse Gas Strategy, both of which are in the process of being updated to reflect the changes over the last number of years. We have, of course, the work that we’ve pulled together and offered to committee in terms of briefings on the ongoing work of the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 236-16(4): Cost Of Living Initiatives Included In The 2010-2011 Main Estimates

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I’ve got some questions today for the lead Minister on the Strategic Initiatives Committee on the Cost of Living. I’d like to start off by saying, obviously, it’s an important issue to everybody across the Northwest Territories. Many of my constituents and everybody else’s constituents all face an exorbitant cost of living. I’d like to ask the

Minister what specific areas is her committee currently working on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 236-16(4): Cost Of Living Initiatives Included In The 2010-2011 Main Estimates

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for the Strategic Initiatives Committee on the Cost of Living, Ms. Lee .

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Question 236-16(4): Cost Of Living Initiatives Included In The 2010-2011 Main Estimates

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to jog the memory of everybody here, Mr. Speaker, the Strategic Initiatives committees were set up at the beginning of this Assembly in order that our government could work across the departments to advance the priorities that were set out by the 16th Assembly. All of the work that we have been doing in these committees -- and there were five committees set up: Building Our Future, Managing This Land, Reducing the Cost of Living, Maximizing Opportunities and Refocusing Government -- had been added to the budgets that we have considered and approved, both in O and M and capital.

I understand from Member Bisaro and Member Ramsay today that they would like more information on that. Last time we offered to have a briefing we were told they didn’t really like us very much and they just wanted to talk to Refocusing Government. But we will be happy, as soon as committee has time, to come and give the Members in-depth information on what we’ve been working on.

Just to give the Members a little bit of an update, much of the work of the committee has focused on reducing the cost of living in communities by investing in transportation projects, highways, airports, winter roads, investments in housing to do with the quality issues, as well as to make some changes to income support and the Power Subsidy Program. A lot of our work had to do with energy initiatives, and as Minister Miltenberger mentioned, we have agreed, between all of us, that the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee will take on the two big projects, which is the hydro and electricity review.

Once that’s completed, if it gets incorporated into action, it will come back to us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 236-16(4): Cost Of Living Initiatives Included In The 2010-2011 Main Estimates

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I’d like to ask the Minister, and that’s a good statement that she’s made today, but what specific initiatives has the Cost of Living Strategic Initiatives Committee taken to Cabinet for inclusion in the budget. She talked about a myriad of different things. Specifically, what has that committee taken to Cabinet for inclusion in this year’s budget? Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I’d be happy to give the Member a list of them, because we have already approved some of them in our capital project last year, and we are into year two and three of those projects. Those are investments in winter roads in the Sahtu area, extending the runway at some of the airports in the Sahtu and other communities. I don’t want to miss out any

other communities. We have put investments into the NWT Housing Corporation. We have made investments into income support and power subsidy programs. The money that Minister Miltenberger talked about investing in the Arctic Energy Alliance so that we could give information awareness and investments about benefits to consumers in terms of the cost of living, those come out of this committee. Mr. Speaker, there is a whole list of them that already are in our capital budget. I would be happy to give them a rundown on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will provide them as soon as I can. Thank you.

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Question 236-16(4): Cost Of Living Initiatives Included In The 2010-2011 Main Estimates

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I would like to ask the lead Minister for the cost of living if her committee is taking a look at the Deh Cho Bridge Project and its potential impact on the cost of living to residents in the North Slave region and all communities serviced by air out of Yellowknife. Has that gotten to her committee? Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, as the Member is aware, the Deh Cho project is quite advanced and it is in charge of the Minister of Transportation . I believe the Minister of Transportation has answered some questions about cost of living implications. I beg to differ on some of the opinions the Member has on that. I think the Minister, and department, and the government has been willing to provide information that the Member is looking for. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I will take that as a no. I guess the other thing I wanted to ask the Minister is how often does the committee meet and whether or not she could share the agendas of the meetings with Regular Members. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, as I have stated, at any time the committee wants to meet with us, we are available. We are ready to give the Member information. I will say it again, that all of the budget items that have gone, that we have talked about in this committee are in our budget to consider. If you would like that identified, we would be happy to do that. Any other documents that the Member wants, I will provide that to him. Thank you.

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Question 236-16(4): Cost Of Living Initiatives Included In The 2010-2011 Main Estimates

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 237-16(4): Aboriginal Ownership Of NWT Hydro Projects

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to my Member’s statement, in regards to the Robertson report, very simply is that proposed NWT residents will receive the first right to purchase shares and no individual or group could own more than 10 percent of the shares. That was in the Robinson report. Now it seems like we are in

the game of selling all possible assets of the Power Corporation, looking at venture capital by way of the Taltson project. I know that at the Beaufort leaders meeting, especially with the Gwich’in leadership, the issue came up in regards to equity partnership or ownership of any sales of the Power Corporation or the possibility of buying them or allowing them to buy into the Taltson project. Has the Premier taken that into consideration? Is that an option that is being considered by this government?

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Question 237-16(4): Aboriginal Ownership Of NWT Hydro Projects

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 237-16(4): Aboriginal Ownership Of NWT Hydro Projects

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First and foremost, let’s be clear: we are not selling off pieces of the Power Corporation. We are not selling off our assets. We had a proposal put on the table by ATCO to look at a partnership arrangement. We have not gone down that line to see if, in fact, that is where we are going to go.

We talked about a process of reviewing electricity rates. Review of that was done. We are preparing our response to that. The NTPC report, we are sitting down with Members to go over that report and look at how we go forward on that initiative, but the issue that we need to deal with is how do we expand our abilities to generate electricity in the Northwest Territories that is affordable for people in the Northwest Territories. We looked at some options of that partnership. For example, on the existing Taltson project as it sits, we have partnered up with the Metis and the Akaitcho on the Deze front.

On the issue of the ATCO proposal, back in January of 2009, when we sat down in Fort Simpson with the regional leaders, this issue was raised by the regional leaders. Would we be willing to look at a proposal from aboriginal businesses in the Northwest Territories? I informed them at that time, by all means, we are willing to look at that, so that if they felt that they wanted to put a joint proposal in, we are willing to look at those. To date we haven’t got a proposal from them, but the door is open to those types of partnerships. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, in the case of request for proposals, government seems to do that a lot. I am just wondering in regards to comments made by the Premier , is there a formal request for proposal that has been put out there in regards to allowing the interested parties or aboriginal organizations or formally some corporations in the Northwest Territories to look at the possibility of partnering on some of these large-scale projects.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, the formal arrangement we do have is Deze, as I mentioned. The formal call for proposals on the Power Corporation, we have not done that. We have accepted the actual proposals in the sense of reviewing it, but that hasn’t gone anywhere. I put in a public meeting with the regional leaders back in, as I have stated earlier, January of 2009 in Fort

Simpson, said that we are willing to look at a proposal, whether it is joint or a proposal from aboriginal leaders, as well as the meetings held in Dettah in November of 2009. Again, the issue about proposal and open the door, that we would be willing to look at such a proposal if they were to come in. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, again, we are not privy to the ATCO proposal. We haven’t seen it. There have been meetings between the Premier and the Minister of Finance in regards to meetings with Nancy Southern. And yet I know that the Minister is responsible for the Power Corporation. The Minister of Finance is responsible for Finance.

I would just like to know in regards to those discussions, if at some point the framework of the ATCO proposal will be put out there so we can get an idea of exactly what is in it, what the benefits are or the advantages or disadvantages are to the people of the Northwest Territories, and also what is it going to cost ourselves as ratepayers in regards to the cost of power if we decide to sell.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, over a year ago, I believe, I presented information to Members of this Assembly on what we had received. In fact, there may have been a meeting as well with members to provide that information. At the same time as we laid out our process of how we would look at electricity generation rate subsidies, the Power Corporation itself and this proposal. We have not done any further work on the proposal. There are some very preliminary meetings with some of our senior staff to talk about what that proposal actually meant, if it was a starting position or what. We haven’t gone any further than that.

As we decide on these first two pieces on the energy rates regulation piece and the Power Corporation review, we will decide if, in fact, that initial proposal is now ready to go or are we going to deal with these first two reports and go forward on that basis. Thank you.

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Question 237-16(4): Aboriginal Ownership Of NWT Hydro Projects

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I didn’t hear anything in regards to the meetings held between the Minister of Finance and Nancy Sothern. Was that a pitch for Nancy Southern to come up with $6 million to basically kick-start the Taltson proposal?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, it has been our practice, and we talked about the agents and companies but we try to not raise individual members’ names. It is not part of our process in this forum but the proposal or the recent meetings that were held are not tied to that proposal that we initially received. The meetings that Minister Miltenberger spoke of in this House as well as in his budget address was very preliminary talking about would there be interest in looking at partnering up on a project specific basis. Again, we are, as we have shown on Deze already with Taltson, we have

partnerships with aboriginal governments in there. We are going to have to continue to work along those lines. Thank you.

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Question 237-16(4): Aboriginal Ownership Of NWT Hydro Projects

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 238-16(4): Constituent’s Health Issues

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A number of weeks ago I wrote a letter to the Minister of Health and Social Services to express to her my concern about a constituent of mine. This constituent had a very severe stroke about 10 months ago. Since that time, he has been cared for at Stanton Territorial Hospital and is currently in the ICU department. I had an opportunity to visit with my constituent last night. His partner is advocating for him. They would like to see him transferred to a facility that could assist him in being the recipient of physical rehabilitation as a result of this stroke.

It’s my understanding that there is nothing more that can be done for him at the Stanton hospital. We do not have a neurosurgeon on staff at Stanton. I would like to ask the Minister if there is any encouraging news that I could share with my constituents with respect to this gentleman’s care.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member communicated this to me a couple of weeks ago, I believe. We are in the process of looking into that. Obviously, we don’t normally talk about individual medical situations here, but the Member did provide detailed information about the status of the situation and what the family is looking for. I’d like to just tell the Member that generally it is a practice for us to review a patient’s situation to see if the care being provided is acceptable or good, where we are doing it. If other options should be considered, we will be doing that.

So I will confirm with the Member that this situation is being reviewed and what options we have. Given that this person is in ICU, it may be that person needs more ICU care and may not be able to be moved to some of the long-term care facilities.

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Question 238-16(4): Constituent’s Health Issues

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I realize that we don’t normally discuss the details or specifics of a particular patient or particular constituent, but I believe that this is a situation where someone needs to advocate on behalf of this constituent. He has been in the ICU department of Stanton for 10 months now. It is becoming very stressful for his partner to continue to travel from Hay River every weekend to be with him. His medical circumstances are unique. The family has signed a consent, a waiver, a release for medical information to be shared with myself as MLA. It really speaks to the

desperation of the situation. I appreciate the care that he is getting, but he is going to require very specialized care.

I’d like to ask the Minister what this government’s policy is. It’s my understanding they’re having a difficult time finding a rehab facility that will take him, because at night he’s required to be put on a ventilator and a lot of rehab facilities will only take people who do not require assistance with breathing. For him it’s only during the night when he’s sleeping, when he goes into a deep sleep. If there were a medical facility in the U.S., because I understand that there is a possibility of that, what is our government’s policy with respect to covering the cost of something like that?

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Question 238-16(4): Constituent’s Health Issues

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Broadly speaking, we will first look at what services we have within the Territories, because we do want to keep our residents in the Territories as much as possible. We do know that we have at least a couple dozen patients from the territories in various jurisdictions all across Canada. I’m not aware of anybody that we have sent to the States. The decision on where to send the person will depend on what comparable services are available and we would try to find care for the patient closest to home as much as possible. So we would first look at southern jurisdictions before we would consider the US.

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Question 238-16(4): Constituent’s Health Issues

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Short, final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 238-16(4): Constituent’s Health Issues

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am certainly not a doctor. There may be circumstances about this case that I am not familiar with. Having visited my constituent, he is certainly very alert mentally. He has mobility within his limbs. He can move his arms, he can move his legs, he can respond, nod his head. It seems like the unique and troubling part of it is his inability to continue breathing once he falls into a deep sleep. I know there are medical advances all the time that have to do with neurology.

I’m asking the Minister to please commit to attempting to get this patient out of Stanton where he has been languishing -- I mean, he’s receiving good care, but not the kind of care he needs -- for the last 10 months. Would she commit to getting involved personally and seeing if he can be transferred to a facility with more resources?

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Yes, I would be happy to do that and get back to the Member as soon as possible.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I have questions for the Minister of Education ,

Culture and Employment in the area of employment. The employment rates in the small communities such as Fort Resolution and Lutselk’e are in the 40 percent range. This basically means that of people between 15 and 65, less than half of them are working in those communities. The employment rate in Yellowknife is around 80 percent.

I want to ask the Minister what he plans to do about the employment rates and low incomes in small communities, as it appears to be the responsibility of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment.

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to thank the Member for asking that important question for small communities. We are looking forward to debating this budget that’s before us. There is a new initiative in there that deals directly with employment in small communities. That will result in outstanding challenges or issues in the small communities of hiring, directly hiring summer students that are going back to school. Definitely, I’m looking forward to more opportunities to discuss the budget that’s in the process and this will surely shed some light into the small communities.

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I’m assuming that’s to try to get the people in the small communities prepared for employment. I’m wondering if the staff are fully aware of what the employment possibilities are in the communities they serve, considering that the high school diploma rate in small communities is also in the 40 percent range.

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Those logistics are still being worked on as we speak. It’s in the planning stages, but certainly those preferences and priorities will be given to the students that are returning to school. We want every student to succeed in our school system and succeed in life as well. At this point all I can say is it’s in the planning stages and, certainly, those considerations will be taken into effect.

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I guess just a little bit more background to put a context of what I’m referring to here. Employment income in a place like Lutselk’e is 2.5 times lower than the average employment income in a place like Yellowknife. Are the staff fully equipped -- actually, and I’m wondering about the staff’s abilities here -- to deal with the employment needs in the small communities?

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We will continue to work with employment development officers in the communities; also with the organizations we’ll continue to work with. Whether it be client service officers, employment officers in the communities

and the regions we’ll certainly be prepared to deal with the new initiatives that will be before us. We’ll be prepared as much as we can when the time comes.

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The cases of income support, on an average basis, are eight times higher in the smaller communities than it is in Yellowknife. Does the department do any work with potential employees to actively try to match people who are seeking employment and to get off income support and go to work in these smaller communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

That is our primary target, to get people off of income support as much as we can, working with different programs that we’ve initiated within our Department of Education, Culture and Employment’s Ready to Work Program and just maximizing opportunities for income support clientele. If they could work, if they’re workable, then we like to fully utilize them in different areas. We do provide training programs for them to deal with the productive choices. So, Mr. Speaker, we can certainly provide the detailed information to the Members so they can share it with their constituents as well. Mahsi.

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Question 239-16(4): High Unemployment Rates In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my Member’s statement to the Minister of Health and Social Services . A resident of Fort Liard detailed her concern about stomach cancer and the rates of it in Fort Liard. As well, we have examined other communities in the past when they have similar concerns, especially just her cursory research, Mr. Speaker, talked about H. Pylori, which was a concern in other communities as well. So I’d like to know what processes are in place in the Department of Health that such an in-depth examination for environmental causes which may cause stomach cancers in Fort Liard can be examined. Thank you.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department does analyze and review data such as the cancer rates in the Territories. My information is that the cancer rates vary across the Territories, but in general, our rates of cancer in the NWT are similar to that of the rest of the country except in colorectal cancer, which is the reason why the

government issued a new clinical guideline for screening colorectal cancer more aggressively. Having said that, the information that the Member brought to me is new. I’ve not heard that before, and it’s one that I am interested in looking to see further. We would have to get into touch with the person in question and get the information and see if we can at least do a preliminary study and see where we could go from there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I think the stats and the Minister’s department should have those. I think that’s a baseline to start from. I think, of course, there are many, many types of cancer, and she’s not a professional, but her initial assessment and talking with family and friends in the community is that a lot of it is indeed stomach-type cancer and that’s the concern. So that’s what she would like examined, and I support her that we examine that. I would like to ask the Minister again what process do we have in place that we can initiate such an examination of this concern in Fort Liard. Thank you.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

The number of 15 cases, that the Member stated, in a population as small as 583 is huge. So I need to get more information on the names and just get more information on that to start with. The department will work with the Deh Cho Health and Social Services Authority to look into this further and be able to get back to the Member on what our next steps could be on that. Thank you.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I would be pleased to work with the Minister and the Department of Health and Social Services and the Deh Cho Health and Social Services, as well as get the young lady involved that had contacted my office in getting the assessment if there indeed is a root cause in Fort Liard. As I said, we had done it in other communities, especially when… It’s not yet been determined if H. Pylori has been the root cause, but the concern is if this is the case, then we should examine it. I’d like to get the Minister’s commitment, for the record one more time, that this serious concern will be examined. Thank you.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

The H. Pylori project in Aklavik was initiated by an educational institution. It was initiated by a university who wanted to take a look at it. The Department of Health and the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority provided all the support that we could possibly give them to get that work done. My understanding is that the results of that will not come out for another year or two. They need to do an in-depth analysis of the data that they had collected. In the meantime, the H. Pylori tests are available to any resident that might be interested in getting tested for that, if that is their concern.

Going back to the Member’s question, I will look further into the cases and advise the Member as

soon as possible on what we can do there. Thank you.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’m glad that the Minister is well aware of the process that occurred in the community of Aklavik. If the Minister can give that to me as well, about how to begin that process is the concern and is something that I, of course, support, and to see how much in-depth examination of the environmental and of maybe pollution concerns in Fort Liard can be determined, and if there is indeed a relation to the increase of stomach cancers in Fort Liard. Thank you.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes.

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Question 240-16(4): High Rate Of Stomach Cancer In Fort Liard

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my Member’s statement, Mr. Speaker, was substance abuse and aftercare. I have a question for Minister Lee of Health and Social Services. Will this government adopt a duel system to provide an equal number of days for post-program assistance in their home community? For example, the participant spends 30 days in an addiction program and there will be a minimum of 30 days of professional support in their home community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not familiar with the program that the Member is mentioning, but I’d be happy to look into that. At the same time, Mr. Speaker, I’d like to advise the Member that the Department of Health and Social Services is working with the Gwich’in Tribal Council and IRC. We are investing $600,000 over three years to do an aftercare program in Tuktoyaktuk. We are working in partnership with IRC. IRC is working with Tuk to develop the Aftercare Program. I had the occasion to talk to Mayor Gruben when I was there for the Beaufort-Delta meeting, and he was pleased with this development.

At the same time, IRC has separate money where they are doing a community needs survey of addictions programs for the entire Beaufort-Delta region, and they are working with GTC in this regard. So we have lots of things happening in the Beaufort-Delta. Thank you.

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, this is a new program I’m asking for. It’s nothing to do with what

you’re initiating right now. It’s a program that we’ve seen people get sent out of the community and coming back, no aftercare, and the next thing they’re back doing their passive abuse.

Mr. Speaker, given that across the Territory community governments and organizations are saying the same thing -- the communities’ number one problem is not enough counselling support -- will this government commit to a small, fully functional, around-the-clock, fully equipped addictions centre with nurses and counsellors in every community?

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Tuktoyaktuk does have a community wellness worker as well as a mental health and addictions counsellor. As Member Jacobson as well as the community have told us, that they would like to see an enhanced aftercare program in Tuktoyaktuk, especially in light of the fact that they voted to go restricted. I don’t know about the program that the Member is asking. I have to look into that. But I think, as I said, IRC is working with us to use this money to do up pilot projects in Tuktoyaktuk. They want to concentrate on aftercare and family wellness.

They are looking into doing family counselling and workshops, and coming out of this pilot project, they will have more concrete ideas about what more they want to do. I think definitely the Member’s idea could put into this to see if we could incorporate that somehow. Thank you.

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Again, I love my home community of Tuktoyaktuk and my other three communities I represent in my riding. As mentioned in my previous Member’s statement, during my community visits in Nunakput and the mayors and the community leaders all identifying the lack of professional and social support as one of the most serious issues in the communities, Mr. Speaker. People are very passionate about these issues and have lots to say. As a government, we must listen and we must act. I think this government should review our current territorial strategy on addictions and other counselling programs that can conduct comprehensive community-based decision…

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Question, Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

…on a go forward plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I don’t know if I heard a question there. Ms. Lee .

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Question 241-16(4): Community Aftercare Program Addressing Addictions And Substance Abuse

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, to the Member. We are reviewing the Mental Health and Addictions Program. Yes, we ar