Debates of Feb. 11th, 2013

This is page numbers 1729 - 1768 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 4-17(4): Labour Market Symposium

‘wek’eahkaa, A New Day’ – Men’s Healing Program

Electoral Boundaries Commission Interim Report

Sustainable Economic Opportunities Strategy

Trout Lake School

Impacts Of Alcohol Abuse

New Health Care Facility In Hay River

RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

Reflections On Budget Address

Beaufort-Delta Regional Council Meetings

Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Award Recipient Mr. Daniel Sonfrere

RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

School In Trout Lake

Economic Opportunities Strategy

Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

Alcohol And Addictions Treatment

Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

Responsible Alcohol Choices

Written Question 4-17(4): NWT Health Care Cards

Written Question 5-17(4): Alcohol-Related Health Conditions

Written Question 6-17(4): Mackenzie Valley Winter Roads

Tabled Document 12-17(4): Letter On Possible Breach Of Fam Directive

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Bill 1-17(4): Tlicho Statutes Amendment Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:29 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 4-17(4): Labour Market Symposium

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our government believes NWT residents can reach their potential and be healthy, educated people, free from poverty. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment continues to work with industry stakeholders to improve the opportunities for training, education and employment across the Northwest Territories.

In 2011 the department held its first Labour Force Development Symposium, which was used as a platform to introduce the first NWT Labour Force Development Framework – People, Partnerships, Possibilities. It is a tool for working together towards improved labour market outcomes, and sustainable labour force growth and development. Over the years northern partners have come together to find common ground to ensure that our people and our economy are strong now and in the future. We are working with industry stakeholders toward a shared vision: “A healthy, educated, multi-skilled, safe and innovative workforce that guides the labour market and reflects our diverse cultures.”

Mr. Speaker, that is always top of mind as we negotiate with industry partners on socio-economic agreements, assess training and education requirements, discuss where we can deliver more resources, or determine how we can support our residents and clients with better access and streamlined processes. As well, we look forward to recommendations from the Anti-Poverty Strategy to help achieve these goals.

As we go into our second labour force development symposium tomorrow, we are optimistic that our discussions will continue to be productive. We have

80 delegates, including federal and territorial government departments and agencies, Aboriginal organizations, Aurora College, non-government organizations, industry, private institutions and societies. Our theme is The Labour Market:

Sharing Best Practices and Development, and this is our focus as a department: to make sure we have the ability to maximize prospects for the North based on strong partnerships.

We recognize that we have work to do to ensure our residents continue to have opportunities, resources and supports to reach their potential. I look forward to continuing to share information and putting into practice the advice we have from our partners to create a strategic path for success for the benefit of all Northerners. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 4-17(4): Labour Market Symposium

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Minister's Statement 5-17(4): ‘wek’eahkaa, A New Day’ – Men’s Healing Program

Ministers’ Statements

Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, we are accepting participants into a new pilot healing program in Yellowknife for men who use violence in their lives against their intimate partners. This voluntary program is key to helping communities be sustainable, vibrant and safe. It is based on this Assembly’s main goal of believing in people and building on the strengths of Northerners.

Through a naming ceremony with elders, the 24-week program was named Wek’eahkaa (“Wek ea caw”) A New Day, to reflect our healing philosophy. Each day brings with it a fresh chance to take control of our actions.

Wek’eahkaa is for men who have been violent in their intimate relationships. The program helps them to find their own strength, build on it to change their behaviour and take responsibility for their past actions.

Men will be supported as they develop their abilities and resources. Group sessions will focus on how to build respectful relationships, to understand how behaviour affects others and to consider the possibilities for healing and repairing the effects of their abuse.

Wek’eahkaa is based on very successful models running in other jurisdictions. We have worked with our NGO partners and listened to men throughout the North to custom design a program for NWT residents. Ultimately, our goal is to have a program that is accessible and relevant throughout the NWT. It is an investment in prevention, education and awareness, and it is built on partnerships.

Mr. Speaker, an Advisory Committee of NGO partners, the RCMP, cultural advisors and staff from Justice and Health and Social Services supports and guides this pilot program. They have been working with the contractor, the Healing Drum Society, to make sure the program is ready. Program staff has been trained and are ready to start. Referral information is being distributed for potential clients, service providers and the public. As word is spreading, calls have been coming in from men who feel they are ready to learn from this program.

We know that family violence is deliberate. We also know that this violence is based on a pattern of behaviours against the will and against the well-being of family members. This program will be a significant step towards positive change. This is a hopeful program. It invites men to consider what kind of person they want to be, how they want to treat their partners, their children and their communities. The participants want to change.

This new approach holds a great deal of promise, and I know I speak for all of us in expressing our thanks to the many people who have been involved in developing and delivering this program. Most importantly, I want to offer this Assembly’s support to the men who have chosen a better way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 5-17(4): ‘wek’eahkaa, A New Day’ – Men’s Healing Program

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Electoral Boundaries Commission Interim Report

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As of last week, it was hard not to pick up the paper, scan the local news on the Internet, or stop in a coffee shop without the people talking about this interim report by the Electoral Boundaries Commission.

Frankly, I’m excited to hear from the people about their thoughts on democracy, whether it’s representation by population, representation by culture and language, representation by geographic distribution, or a combination thereof.

Mr. Speaker, it would be easy for Members to weigh in on this topic, but I will refrain from

commenting on the subject for now as I feel this is a time for the people to share their voice.

We have been elected to listen and, more importantly, hear the wishes of our constituents, and to pre-empt this process by jumping the gun, and speaking out now before the people have had a chance to share their views is definitely not in the best interests of positive outcome.

We ask that all residents across the Northwest Territories take the time to inform themselves on the mandate of the Electoral Boundaries Commission to review the three options that were presented to report on, and to think what would be the best solutions for the entire Northwest Territories and future generations.

Our future rests in the hands of the people. We will be facing some difficult choices in the months to come, between the promises of this future and the prisons of our past. Mr. Speaker, we can’t afford to get this wrong.

In closing, all we ask is that the people of the Northwest Territories attend the various Electoral Boundaries Commission’s public hearings, or submit their comments directly to the commission itself. I would further ask that my colleagues here in this House allow due process to proceed in the proper sequence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Sustainable Economic Opportunities Strategy

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the 17th Legislative

Assembly envisioned promotion of strong individuals, families and communities by developing a socially responsible and environmentally sustainable Economic Development Strategy. I look at the Economic Opportunities Strategy approach and wonder how we could possibly have left behind the people, families, social responsibilities and environment.

The strategy discussion paper is a partnership of the industry department, NWT Chamber of Commerce, Northern Aboriginal Business Association and the NWT Housing Corporation. Blatantly missing is the social and environmental expertise to back up an otherwise impressive panel, expertise that’s necessary to fill out our Caucus priority.

Shamefully, we in the NWT have the largest income gap in Canada: $185,000 a year between the richest and poorest 20 percent of households. Most current opportunities for wealth and employment are clustered in a few major centres, including remote mines that increasingly fly non-resident workers to and fro every two weeks. In some

communities up to 50 percent of households have annual incomes below $30,000.

Proven research reveals the negative impacts of such unequal incomes on the health of society: as inequity increases, crime, substance abuse and poor economic performance that worsens. Sound familiar? Well, we had a wonderful opportunity to meet people’s concerns and recognize this situation in our consultation document. Sadly, we focused on industry and how to make even more big bucks. Rather, we want to help the economy that serves the needs of all our people, not just one that further enriches the already successful.

As with social responsibility, apparently we don’t need to design our economic strategy to serve environmental sustainability either. We’ll just tweak development permits, and even under the ever more dismantled environmental protection regime, presto, we’ll have an environmentally sustainable economy. I don’t think so.

Committee wanted and was promised input at the earliest stages of this undertaking. Without that, the Minister has forged ahead on an effort that will have little credibility and doesn’t meet our priorities.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

For the disadvantaged of Canada’s most inequitable society, this strategy will mean little. Its terms of reference are a business-as-usual approach by the usual businesses aimed at more of the same, no matter what priorities this Caucus said we should pursue. As some are saying, why don’t we just reprint the last one?

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Sustainable Economic Opportunities Strategy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Trout Lake School

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It can be extremely frustrating to be an MLA for a riding with small communities and see the government put aside their needs. I was hoping to see the planning study for a new school in Trout Lake addressed in this budget, but there’s nothing yet.

We are in the 21st century, all of us; the people in

Yellowknife, Inuvik, Fort Smith and the people of Trout Lake. You might not think it’s the 21st century

if you dropped into the school in Trout Lake. It is a one-room school in the current community centre. A little partition was put up last year, but it’s still more like a one-room schoolhouse some of our parents went to than a modern school. The high school students still have to go to Fort Simpson just like the old days. Very little has changed, although the world has changed so much, and the students in

Trout Lake should be no less prepared for it than young people in other communities.

The community is small but the student population is growing. Our Statistics Bureau tells us the growth rate is more than 6 percent a year for the past 10 years, from 2001 to 2011. The school is too small and every year it feels a little smaller than it was. I have spoken before about the pressures this puts on both the students and teachers.

We have spent lots of money building superschools. It is time we start focusing on our small communities. They need stand-alone schools with all the modern teaching aids available. I call on our Education Minister to adjust the capital plan. The last one we saw called for work on a new school in Trout Lake to begin in 2018-2019. That is simply too long a wait. We have to get a planning study done so that we are ready to go. We have to move this project up on our priority list. I look to the support of this Cabinet to address the need for a new school in Trout Lake in this year’s capital planning process.

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Trout Lake School

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Impacts Of Alcohol Abuse

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Far too many people are hurt or killed every year in accidents related to alcohol abuse. About half of the drinkers in the Northwest Territories drink heavily, at least once a month. Heavy drinking often leads to dangerous behaviour. More than half the NWT population experiences harm from someone else’s drinking. In 2009 about one in four of those accidents were assaults. This is going on every year. Thousands of people are harmed due to somebody else’s drinking, even if they don’t drink themselves. Of course, many drinkers are harmed too.

Alcohol was a factor in 22 percent of all injuries and 55 percent of all deaths relating from motor vehicle accidents between 1996 and 2004. About one-third of all motor vehicle accident-related deaths were young people.

There’s a link between alcohol abuse and violence. About 85 percent of homicidal deaths are alcohol related. Alcohol was a factor in about half the suicides in the years from 2000 to 2009. Drunkenness was a factor in almost half the accidental deaths in those years, and chronic alcohol abuse was 37 percent amongst those victims. Injury is the third leading cause of death in the Northwest Territories.

The Sahtu region has the third highest rate of accidental deaths in our territory, after the Beaufort-Delta and the Deh Cho. In recent months, a young girl died of exposure in Fort Good Hope. On

Christmas Eve, a 27-year-old man was medevaced from my hometown of Tulita to Alberta, after a serious snowmobile accident. He’s lucky to be alive. He wasn’t wearing a helmet and he was drinking.

The government should do more to educate people about the risk of death and terrible injuries when they drink. Our government says it promotes safety, but at the same time allows unlimited purchase at our liquor stores, now including the one in Norman Wells. A few people there look forward to end the restrictions and everyone in the region has to live with it.

Bootlegging is like a plague in many of our communities, but I don’t see much being done to stop it. Our government makes millions by selling alcohol, and alcohol abuse is killing our citizens and putting pressures on the health system.

I’ll be asking questions to the Minister of Health on this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Impacts Of Alcohol Abuse

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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New Health Care Facility In Hay River

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my short time here in the Ledge in the last 16 months, obviously we’ve had a lot of questions in Hay River about health care and the health care system. You would think that would be odd, Hay River being the beneficiary of a new health centre being built there. We hope that in the springtime this facility begins and that it’s going to be a great facility for 50 years to come.

But there are a great many of questions out there in the community about what’s going to happen with the long-term beds in the Hay River area, and what’s going to happen with all the other services that aren’t going to be in the current new facility that the new facility doesn’t have designed in it, and what will happen to the old hospital facility.

My concerns here today are that the Department of Health should have had a clear picture for the community of Hay River of what exactly health and social services is going to look like for Hay River for the next 50 years. This facility, as I indicated, is going to be a facility for the next 50 years in the community, yet there are too many questions out there on what is going to happen. Where are all the services for the community of Hay River going to be? What is the future of community health and social services going to be in Hay River?

Later on today I will have questions for the Minister of Health on how the Department of Health can create such a facility and not have a blueprint of what that health system in Hay River is going to look like. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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New Health Care Facility In Hay River

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been reviewing the budget presented last week by the Finance Minister , and I am very happy about what is in the budget, but I do have some problems about what is not in the budget.

One of the main goals we set at the start of this Assembly was sustainable, vibrant and safe communities. Yet, once again, this budget leaves some small communities with poor basic services.

There is no RCMP detachment in Tsiigehtchic and police presence is not adequate. The officer assigned to the community is based in Fort McPherson. We all know that having police in the community helps deter crime. Police response to calls from Tsiigehtchic is slow. This results in crimes that could have been prevented. This year there will be more crimes that could have been prevented because this budget does not address the problem.

The situation is even more critical during freeze-up and breakup periods when the road traffic is interrupted. Over the years the community has suffered and it seems we are telling the people just go on suffering. There are many innocent victims of crime that could have been prevented. I know it will cost some money to put an RCMP detachment in Tsiigehtchic and that is the government’s excuse for compromising the safety of the community.

This government does not talk about the positive effects and even cost savings that come from a safer community. It is really sad that our smallest communities need police detachments. That says a lot about the times we’re living in. We are elected to do something about it. We are elected to make our communities safer and healthier and we all promised to do our best.

I will be asking the Justice Minister when we will do our best for the community of Tsiigehtchic. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Reflections On Budget Address

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too, like my colleague, have had a chance to consider the budget address from the Minister of Finance, and I also would like to comment on the government’s plans for our next budget.

I have always agreed with the fiscal strategy we adopted at the beginning of the 17th Assembly. We

have been prudent and, as the Minister said last

week, we need to live within the means that we have. A stay-the-course budget it is and I am okay with that, but I am not totally satisfied with the proposed use of the dollars that we have.

On a happy note, I am pleased that the budget indicates the Midwifery Program will be stabilized and expanded, but no new midwife practice will get up and running in 2013-14. The money will go to planning at headquarters, and that’s not what we need.

Secondly, the budget includes $9.4 million to continue to subsidize electricity rates for residents, yet I have heard no indication from the government of any concrete plan to get us out of the subsidy business. How long will we continue to pour millions into the subsidy pot?

On another note, the Minister’s address talked a lot about economic development. I agree; we need economic development to grow our territory, but where in the budget address was the corresponding acknowledgement of environmental and social impacts? We cannot focus on economic development without also focusing on land use planning, socio-economic impacts and environmental concerns. I didn’t hear much about those from Minister Miltenberger and that’s a concern.

Fourth, I again appreciate the continued focus on early childhood development in the budget. It was a good move in 2012-13, to place $1 million into early childhood development programs. I have to say again, though, that it should not have come from the inclusive schooling funds. That part of the education budget will remain underfunded because of that transfer.

Fifth, I am again pleased to hear the Finance Minister commit to funding the implementation of our Anti-Poverty Strategy through an upcoming supplementary appropriation. I look forward to the action plan once it’s developed. This will be money very well spent, and spent properly, will bring efficiencies to government operations.

Lastly, I am concerned about the seeming lack of focus and lack of money for mental health programs and services. Lots of mentions and talk about addictions, but we will have no success in treating residents’ addictions if we don’t also treat and consider mental health at the same time. These two issues cannot be separated.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Reflections On Budget Address

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

The Minister’s address mentioned slow revenue growth several times, but my thoughts on that will be left for another time.

I look forward to discussing the budget in detail in the coming weeks. There will be lots of questions

from this side of the House. I eagerly anticipate the answers from the other side. Thank you.

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Reflections On Budget Address

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Beaufort-Delta Regional Council Meetings

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had the opportunity last month to attend the Beaufort-Delta Regional Council meetings in Inuvik, where we bring all of our mayors, our chiefs and councils into Inuvik, where they have an opportunity to sit down with Cabinet, Cabinet Ministers and all of their staff and ask some pretty tough questions and also look at creating some type of resolution and give the Ministers an opportunity to look and see what’s happening in our small communities and our region with our people in that area.

I was very happy that this was my second time sitting down with the Beaufort-Delta Regional Council and listening to their concerns. This year I was very pleased to say that all the leaders from the community were very engaged, they asked a lot of good questions, the dialogue was very good. When the regional council meets, at the end of their meeting – they met for three very long days – they came up with resolutions. Last year the chair of the committee brought forth a bunch of resolutions to the Premier and his office, and they were able to deal with some of them.

This year we’re waiting for those resolutions and we will continue to try to get them on the agenda. We’ve got five more weeks here in the House to try to get some of those resolutions that our leadership from back home brought forth.

The leadership was also very interested in the collaborative approach that some of these departments are doing and working together, and they support that. They support departments working together to be more effective and more efficient in the communities, especially when we have a lot of issues.

Our leadership in the Beaufort-Delta, as you are aware, is very strong. They have strong voices, they have strong leadership styles and work very well with one another. As such, for all the years of experience, their wisdom, knowledge, their expertise, I would hate to say that their voices go unheard in this House and within this government. I’ll be making sure that as we move forward over the next fiscal year that their voices and the concerns of their residents are heard in this House.

Over the next five weeks, I’ll be sure to bring some of those resolutions to our committee and look at getting support to go forth into this budget year or

as we move forward with this 17th Legislative

Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Beaufort-Delta Regional Council Meetings

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to follow up on the topic raised by my colleague for Hay River North. It is a very important and very pressing issue at this time.

The good news is we’re all living longer. The bad news is this government has to find the capital to deal with providing long-term and extended stay care beds for our aging population.

This is a fact, that there are 10 long-term care beds in the existing Hay River hospital. Another fact is that the new health centre does not anticipate having any long-term care beds. So there is a timeline that’s fast coming upon us. The new hospital will be up and operational, and you know, in capital planning, years go by very, very quickly. We were on the waiting list for many years to get the new health centre we’re getting now and we can’t get back in the line. I don’t know if we can get back in the line fast enough to get a facility for these long-term care beds.

So I would like to suggest an option, and I’m sure there are numerous options, but this is an option I would like to suggest to the Minister of Health and Social Services and the Minister of Public Works .

Right now the wing of the Hay River hospital that contains the 10 long-term care beds is operating. There will be the acute care wing, which will become open when the new health centre is built and operational.

I would like to suggest that a lot of our infrastructure we have is functional one day and not necessarily ready for the wrecking ball. I would like to see this government undertake a technical review starting soon, if they agree, to look at the use of the existing Hay River hospital as a full-sized or converting it fully to an extended care facility. I don’t know if it’s viable, I do know that the requirements for air handling and different codes are more strenuous for an actual hospital versus an extended care or long-term care facility.

I am not, obviously, as a layperson, familiar with what all of those codes and what all of those things are, but there people who are, and I think that this building is worth taking a look at.

I think that it would require a technical review, a review of the ongoing operations and maintenance that would be involved in keeping this going, because the number of people that are going to be requiring those services in Hay River is going to be growing greatly over the next few years. We can’t

wait. We need to know what the game plan is going to be going forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to use the occasion today to talk about the Inuvik-Tuk highway. As you know very well, over the years you’ve heard me always say that I’ve been a supporter of the highway, and that support for the principle of the highway has not changed at all. I believe in some vision, in a manner of speaking, that it is nation building in its own way.

It is a new highway and may I remind this House, certainly the Transportation Minister and, of course, our Premier – the one that led the great vision I talked about last week in Ottawa – a new highway is supposed to be a federal responsibility. Now the territorial government is wading into this and, of course, gets us into an interesting pickle,

whereas our public is picking up the tab for what should rightly be a federal responsibility.

The primary issue I’m hearing today, as we wait for these costs to the highway, is that the public wants to know what this is going to cost. They’re sitting in a manner here they’re anticipating, but all we hear is rumour that it will cost $200 million, $250 million, $300 million, even $350 million. Those seem to be numbers that float around. Of course, the concern that we’ve always heard is, don’t worry, the feds will pick up that 25/75 split. That was great news and new news on the $200 million highway, but of course, if it’s $350 million, are the territorial citizens going to be the taxpayers that back this particular project?

I acknowledge and certainly support the principles that our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, has and his focus. He has had a relentless focus, and I would like to give him credit for that, about developing the North and creating opportunities that have not existed before, and he certainly does deserve that credit. I do caution our House in the context of what will our costs be.

In short, I want to bring this down to a couple of things. The first thing is, before a number is debated and voted upon in this House, I would certainly like a public number, a plain-language document of costing and reporting out there for the public so they can see it, and have a chance to consume it, and understand the particular issues that this will build and certainly be for our territory. Whatever number that ends up, it should be given to the public with a full opportunity to have some discussion on this. That way they can provide the feedback to the Members of the Assembly and say, look, I would like you to support this, or in some

cases maybe not support it because it’s such a large number.

The other issue which I will be bringing up in question period is the royalties. People are concerned about how much the royalties may be; if so, how much, and why are we paying royalties, considering how much highway in the future needs to be built. I will have questions for the Transportation Minister later today.

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Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Award Recipient Mr. Daniel Sonfrere

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past Friday I was honoured to present a Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Award to a respected elder and advocate for Dene languages and culture, Mr. Daniel Sonfrere. Mr. Sonfrere is highly respected for his lifelong determination to preserve and promote the Dene language and culture.

Mr. Daniel Sonfrere continues to work tirelessly for the preservation and promotion of the Dene language. As part of a committee of six elders, all of them fluent in the Dene language, he works with a translator and linguist to record and preserve our language in a topical dictionary. Mr. Sonfrere hopes that this dictionary will continue to help the young people learn from their Mother Tongue.

February 6, 2012, marked the 60th anniversary of

Elder Daniel Sonfrere is worthy of this reward for his legacy of language and great dedication to his people. We are reminded daily of the influence he has taken in shaping the community that the Hay River Reserve is today. I was deeply honoured to attend the ceremony, along with Chief Roy Fabien of the K’atlodeeche First Nation, and to make this very special presentation as a Member of the Legislative Assembly for the Deh Cho.

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Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Award Recipient Mr. Daniel Sonfrere

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned in my Member’s statement earlier today, I will have questions for the Minister of Justice . I would like to ask the Minister how long is the RCMP’s response time to complaints in Tsiigehtchic compared to Fort McPherson.

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t have that specific information in front of me. I do know that in the summertime they have regular planned patrols of the community where they drive in from Fort McPherson. In the wintertime, if there is an emergency, they will charter a plane to come in. I will commit to getting the Member some specifics on actual response time.

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

It’s very interesting they charter a plane to Tsiigehtchic when we have no airstrip. Can the Minister describe the benefits of having a permanent police detachment in those communities lucky enough to have them?

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

I should have said they will have a flight into the community, not necessarily a plane. I had an opportunity to visit Tsiigehtchic with the Member in April where I had an opportunity to talk to leadership with the commanding officer for “G” Division. At that time, the commanding officer of “G” Division did commit to meeting with the community and working on a policing plan that met the needs of the community. I understand that a number of activities or items were agreed to.

I also understand that, having a meeting with some Gwich’in leadership in December, that plan has come off the rails a little bit.

I have had an opportunity to sit down with the commanding officer of “G” Division, who has indicated that he will go back to the community and sit down with the leadership again to try to bring that community policing plan back together. At the end of the day, policing patrols are at the discretion of the RCMP, but as a government we’re very concerned about having coverage in small communities and we believe that one of the best ways to do this is to work with the community and develop individualized community policing plans.

I will commit to the Member today that the commanding officer has promised and indicated that he will go into the community, and work with your leadership to develop a plan that works for Tsiigehtchic.

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Will the Minister meet with the community leaders in Tsiigehtchic to discuss putting in a police detachment there?

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

At the current time, there is actually a dedicated police officer in Fort McPherson to provide services to Tsiigehtchic. I’m happy to sit down and talk about options and possibilities about how we can provide a greater range of services in Tsiigehtchic. A stand-alone detachment is going to be a minimum of $5.5 million investment to develop a detachment. I think we need to work on other options first. I’m certainly willing to meet with the leadership to talk about options that would work for them.

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister meet with the community of Tsiigehtchic to create a long-term plan and implement the plan?

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

I’ve already committed to go to the community and meet with the leadership. I’ve also indicated that the commanding officer of “G” Division and RCMP from Fort McPherson are absolutely willing to go and work with the community. So I guess again the answer is yes.

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Question 36-17(4): RCMP Presence In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to the issue that was raised by my colleague and myself from Hay River, I would like to ask my questions to the Minister of Public Works and Services . Knowing that Hay River is going to be in need of long-term care beds, I would like to ask the Minister if the existing hospital could be considered as one of the options for a long-term care facility for Hay River. It is strategically located on a beautiful green space. The rooms in acute care and extended care are very large. There are ample developed home-like common areas.

There’s a very expensive and large kitchen and cafeteria there for residents that would need to take their meals there. There’s lots of parking. There’s a very well-located security desk that would allow you to see everybody coming and going. It would just seem that if this building could be re-profiled as a long-term care facility, it’s worth looking into and I’d like to ask the Minister if his department would undertake a technical review of the building.

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Glen Abernethy .

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Public Works and Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As with all assets that belong to a department, once the Department of Health and Social Services vacates it, it will become the responsibility of Public Works and Services, who will do a technical assessment on the building to figure out if there is any future for that building and whether it can actually be used for other purposes, then it would enter the normal process for disposal which may include, or could include, re-profiling. We would have to do a technical assessment on the building, figure out what it is, factor in deferred maintenance, costs of operating, all those types of costs. Through the normal disposal process, that will be done.

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

That is not the answer I was hoping for. There is no place for these folks to go if they vacate the building. We can’t wait until after the building is vacated and then start doing an assessment of whether or not it could be used as a long-term care facility. There are no other 10 long-term care beds in Hay River and we certainly don’t want to be shipping our people out of Hay River to other communities. We know that the years pass quickly in this place and the new facility will be open, it will be upon us. If we’re going to look at this as an option, this assessment would need to start to take place now.

I would like to ask the Minister what it would take to get that ruling, a request from the Department of Health and Social Services. What would it take?

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Public Works and Services

A request from Health and Social Services wouldn’t hurt.

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

So if the Department of Health and Social Services wanted to consider this facility as an option – I say an option because I don’t want to pre-empt other options but I just know how capital dollars work around here, I know how tight they can be. If the Department of Health and Social Services made a request, Public Works and Services would begin to look at the structure, the utility of this building as a long-term care facility, and prepare a report as soon as possible.

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Public Works and Services

An analysis of this magnitude would actually cost some money so we would have to actually look for some money as well, which means we may have to come back to the House seeking some dollars to do that.

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not one that’s normally in favour of a lot of studies and reviews, but in this case, I would support that.

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Question 37-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Comment. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’ve long stood up here and debated with the Minister of Education about the need for a new school for Trout Lake. I think our last discussion in this House was last October. I would like to ask what the Minister has done to advance the Trout Lake new school replacement project since then.

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Trout Lake school, Charles Tetcho School, has a capacity of 20 students at this point. It does have up to 33 students that we have a capacity for at that size. Right now it’s at 61 percent for 2011-2012 enrolment figures. Based on that, from the information I have there’s not much need for additional space requirement. However, I have committed to the Member and will be visiting his constituency, and I want to look at the actual facility itself and discuss further how we can move that along expeditiously. As the Member indicated, 2018 is far away, but that’s an area we continue to work with with the MLAs during the capital planning process. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’ve also long made the case that that is not a school in Trout Lake. The old one had burned down. The school is being housed in the community centre right now, and our government has committed to replace that school, and that’s what I’m asking the Minister today.

So I’d like to ask the Minister, given that, when will this government replace that school in Trout Lake.

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Again, it’s based on the capacity of the students in the schools for the Northwest Territories. We deal with 49 schools and the Charles Tetcho School was constructed in 1993, so it is almost 20 years now and that’s an area that we need to re-evaluate, the number of students in a school and also the population in a community.

Again, I will be visiting the community and looking at the school, and we can discuss further what the next steps should be. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m trying to point out to the Minister that, for example, if a school had burned down in Yellowknife and they put them in the community hall, how long would it take them to replace that school.

So I’d like to ask the Minister once again, when will that school be replaced for a new stand-alone school in Trout Lake. Thank you.

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, currently we have the school in Trout Lake. We have students learning in Trout Lake; 20 students

that are registered in school. We do have a facility. It may not be a fancy facility, but this is an area that we are closely monitoring. At the same time, this is an area that I’ve been pushing my department, especially for small schools, how we can expedite this process.

When it comes to capital infrastructure, every year we go through that. We push through various schools to be included in the capital planning process. Unfortunately, there are other pressing needs, other pressing issues that come forward as a priority.

So with this particular school, we’ll continue to push that forward. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It’s time for small schools in small communities and enough of building big schools in big communities. I’ll take up the Minister’s offer to come to my riding, and I certainly look forward to meeting with the leadership of Trout Lake and to show him the exact needs. The community actually disputes the numbers that he’s using. They’re actually saying that there are about 25 students already and growing yearly.

I’d like to ask the Minister, will he commit to start the work to do a planning study for the community of Trout Lake for a new school. Thank you.

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Question 38-17(4): School In Trout Lake

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Those are the discussions that we need to have within my department and with the school board as well. What it comes down to is the needs of the community, the number of students.

I did commit to the Member that I will be visiting the community, and highlighting the Trout Lake School and how we can take that matter forward. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . In my statement earlier today, I know the 17th Assembly Caucus clearly

stated an emphasis on strong individuals, families and communities, and developing a socially responsible and environmentally sustainable Economic Development Strategy.

We know there are big challenges to achieve this and that expertise in all these areas is, obviously, required. How did the Minister set out to ensure the Economic Development Strategy meets the social and environment Caucus priorities, when the discussion paper itself is a sponsorship of business

only, and no environmental or social expertise appears to be included? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Economic Opportunities Strategy focuses on growing the economy here in the Northwest Territories. At the same time, we have a parallel process with the Anti-Poverty Strategy that the government has initiated as well.

Our belief is that we can find a way forward with the economy and focus on economic opportunities in the various regions around the Northwest Territories, and that’s what this strategy is set up to do. Thank you.

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The strategy discussion paper lists the reference materials that will be the basis of analysis; that’s industry profiles, regional economic profiles and a literature review of economic strategies. But where’s the social analysis and the environmental studies such as the need to control growth in greenhouse gasses, building a carbon-neutral economy?

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We have a number of folks involved in the Economic Opportunities Strategy, including the Northern Aboriginal Business Association, the NWT Chamber of Commerce, the NWT Association of Communities. We have an expert panel that’s set up, as well as the department. We’re not setting out to conduct this Economic Opportunities Strategy without talking to people. We’ve been out to a number of communities already. We’re looking for feedback from residents around the Northwest Territories.

I know the Member mentioned big business in his opening statement. This isn’t all about big business, Mr. Speaker, it’s about opportunities, especially in the smaller communities, if you look at the commercial fishing, agriculture, tourism, the traditional economy, as well, with trapping. We have to turn over every stone when it comes to finding opportunities out in the regions, and we have to find out what those obstacles are to get economic development happening in some of our small communities. Mr. Speaker, this is our effort to do that. Thank you.

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks for the Minister’s comments. I don’t disagree with much of that, but a quick look at the parameters of the discussion, the strengths will be examined. That’s mines, forests, airports, and connections and the like. No people there. The weaknesses are studied. That’s regulatory processes, roads, access to land. No

human capacity there either. There are opportunities; for example, interest from foreign investors and, finally, threats…(inaudible)…threats to the business environment.

Again, where’s the environment, where are the people and where are the cost priorities? Mahsi.

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

The North has always been criticized for having too much red tape, government’s getting in the way of business. We believe that the regulatory regime that is in place is going to protect the environment. This is a stand-alone strategy. It focuses on growing the economy here in the Northwest Territories and we should let it do just that. Focus on economic development here in the NWT. Thank you.

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister seems to think that the environmentally sustainable aspects and social responsibility can just happen without being designed. I say that’s baloney. Ploughing forward with blinders on is not going to serve us. That’s an old method that’s been disproven. We need a comprehensive holistic approach here.

So I ask, how will the Minister move to correct these oversights, and if he doesn’t, why bother spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on this exercise when we’re coming up with more of the same? Mahsi.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I appreciate the Member’s concerns; however, I don’t share those concerns. I believe we can move forward with an Economic Opportunities Strategy that’s going to benefit every region across the Northwest Territories and find new ways for us to grow the economy, especially in the smaller communities, and that’s what we’re going to start out to do. Thank you.

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Question 39-17(4): Economic Opportunities Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member’s statement, we are having concerns in Hay River about the new health centre and what’s not going into it. I have questioned the Minister on this in the past, about the 10 long-term beds. Can I get an answer from the Minister of Health and Social Services on what he has done since the beginning, what he and the department have done for a solution for the 10 long-term beds in Hay River?

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The very first process to adding long-term care beds to Hay River would be to go through the capital planning process. I’ve had discussions with the executive and the Department of Health and Social Services about initiating the initial discussions that are needed at the senior bureaucratic level to talk about adding this project to the capital plan for the GNWT. Thank you.

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

I have a question on the Minister’s answer. I’m wondering if the Minister has indicated to the executive that this is a priority, this is something that we feel that Hay River has been left out of the process somewhere along the line. They designed a new health centre and excluded the 10 long-term beds that are currently in the hospital.

Has the department and himself stressed the fact that there is some shortage that is going to be happening very soon once the new facility is open?

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, the department is aware that the long-term care right across the Territories is a priority. We are doing various things like trying to get the current long-term care beds up to full staffing. Also, we are adding long-term care beds within the overall system.

Long-term care is a territorial program, so even though long-term care exists in Hay River, there are other long-term care beds where we are expanding. Yes, we are doing what we can to make sure that the department does understand that long-term care is a priority. Thank you.

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

I respect the Minister’s answer and I understand the long-term beds solution throughout the North, but we are dealing with Hay River, one of the largest centres in the Northwest Territories. I am hoping the Minister’s statement doesn’t mean that he’s looking at putting Hay River residents elsewhere.

Is there a commitment from the department? I know the Minister of Health has indicated, in a public speech, that they are looking at solutions in Hay River for those 10 long-term beds.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, the plan is not to move people that are from Hay River that require long-term care into long-term care beds outside of Hay River. All the long-term care needs in Hay River will be addressed within Hay River. Thank you.

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my statement, I am just a little bit bewildered that we’re making a 50-year plan without some of these answers already being made.

My question is to the Minister of Health . Has the existing hospital, the old hospital, been part of their assessment for keeping the long-term care beds in Hay River? Have they included that in their assessment?

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, no, we had not assessed H.H. Williams as a long-term care only facility. We had assumed that when the new health care was built, all of the services would leave the Hay River current H.H. Williams Hospital. Thank you.

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Question 40-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care Beds In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 41-17(4): Alcohol And Addictions Treatment

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement, I quoted some pretty astronomical numbers in regard to the alcohol abuse-related deaths, injuries, accidents and suicides. On that pendulum swing right over the next, people who want to sober up and they use Nats’ejee K’eh, can the Minister inform me that at Nats’ejee K’eh, with a budget of $2 million and an occupancy rate of 46 percent, if Nats’ejee K’eh is working with the people of the Northwest Territories?

I also understand that the Minister is seeking information from the communities and I support the Minister on the community addiction forum as to get some home-grown solutions. Is Nats’ejee K’eh working for our government?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 41-17(4): Alcohol And Addictions Treatment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We recognize that Nats’ejee K’eh is not operating at full capacity. There is no question about that. Also, the people do successfully complete Nats’ejee K’eh. We don’t have an instrument that’s going to determine whether or not the Nats’ejee K’eh graduates were fully successful in achieving their battle against addictions, because at which point do we measure success? Is it one year of sobriety? Five years? Or is it a lifetime of sobriety after that?

We are trying to get a feel from the communities and the people that have gone through Nats’ejee K’eh, through the community counselling, and then making a determination whether or not that is successful. But we do know that it is operating well under capacity. Thank you.

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Question 41-17(4): Alcohol And Addictions Treatment

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories, through the Liquor Commission, made about $46 million last year, 2011-12. That’s the money they made. They contribute about 3 percent of that to promotion of healthy style living and responsible drinking. Nats’ejee K’eh runs on a $2 million budget. The

capacity rate is about 45 percent. That runs roughly about $14,800 per client to take a 28-day treatment program.

Has the Minister given some stern direction to the Department of Health and Social Services, saying that Nats’ejee K’eh needs to change its program so that people in my region and other regions can come down there that would make it successful, and that would fill that centre and not be at 45 percent?

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Question 41-17(4): Alcohol And Addictions Treatment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, as per our earlier discussions in the House, I have gone to see the board, Nats’ejee K’eh. I’ve met with the board at Nats’ejee K’eh. The board and the executive at Nats’ejee K’eh are sending a proposal into our department to look at different ways that they think they can deliver the addictions program at Nats’ejee K’eh to have greater success and also open up the options.

Currently, they have only men’s programs and women’s programs only. They don’t have youth treatment and so on. They were going to propose the various types of treatment, perhaps even family treatment, youth treatment, and male and female treatment, and come back to the department. I have not seen that proposal as of yet. However, they indicated to me, when I met with them, that they are going to send me that proposal. Thank you.

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Question 41-17(4): Alcohol And Addictions Treatment

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it has been reported that 85 percent of reported crimes in the Northwest Territories are alcohol and drug related. Ninety percent of inmates of Northwest Territories correction facilities have addiction issues.

With the usage of Nats’ejee K’eh and looking at the programs, is the Minister looking at a culturally relevant program? I believe that these numbers have to reflect a lot of the smaller communities, and a lot of the inmates in our centres are Aboriginal people. Is the Minister seriously looking at a drug and alcohol treatment program, not a mental health and wellness program?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, that seemed to be the problem, that they had moved away from purely alcohol counselling to more of counsellors that have degrees in mental health and that they looked at a lot of this as mental health issues. It appears as though the communities that want to use Nats’ejee K’eh would like to see that become more of an alcohol counselling type of facility as opposed to a lot of the mental health counselling requirements that are now associated at Nats’ejee K’eh.

That’s the exact review that we had asked the board to come back with, an alcohol type counselling versus something that had a lot of mental health type of counselling such as only counsellors with their degrees in mental health who we doing the counselling there. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the Sahtu we have a high population of youth, I think about 79 percent, that are 15 years and over. Can the Minister tell me where the youth go for drug and alcohol treatment programs in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 41-17(4): Alcohol And Addictions Treatment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

We are looking to try to develop something at Nats’ejee K’eh. As I indicated, perhaps some treatment programs that would be built in in the summertime for youth.

Right now all of our youth that end up in treatment end up in treatment in southern placements. I think that the numbers of youth going to treatment, that type of treatment where they are placed in a southern treatment facility is very low. I think I at one time used the number five youth had gone to treatment over a two-year period from the Northwest Territories. So it’s difficult to build a program around that type of number, but we figure that if we can adapt something that’s in the North and targeted to youth from the North that there may be some uptake at facilities such as Nats’ejee K’eh. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In continuing with my theme with the Beaufort-Delta Regional Leadership Council, upon returning back to Yellowknife I had some information in my mailbox regarding nursing services in a couple of the smaller communities in the Beaufort-Delta region. On two separate occasions over the Christmas holidays, there were two communities that only had essential services of nurses, and my questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services .

My first question is: Knowing that you’re going to be low on nursing or have staff shortages for that time in those communities, was there a plan put in place to restaff those positions during that time, and even before then, how long did the Minister and his department know that they were going to need staffing in these communities? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’ve always known that there is a staff shortage of nurses right across the Territories. We also know that we have a separate governance system in every health and social services authority across the territory. We can’t share resources as though

we have one single governing system with doctors or nurses the same. So the health authorities with their own governance system get the nurses in, they hire the nurses or they hire locums to fill in these positions. So in reality, the department is not specifically aware where and when the nurses are not going to be, although they advise us that these places would have only essential services for certain periods.

As the Member indicated, in one place for 11 days they only had essential services. So we are aware all the time that there is a shortage of nurses, but where the authorities will deploy these nurses, we are not completely aware of that. Thank you.

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I have a concern, because it’s during a high time where there are a lot of incident rates, such as people going through a hard time during Christmas, depression and those types of areas where there’s a possibility of something happening.

The Minister has also said that authorities don’t share their staff, but he’s always preached about this Yellowknife doctors pool going out to the communities. That’s where I think that when the department finds out that there’s going to be a staff shortage in the community, that they make a plan and create a plan so that people in these small communities have those services should they need them, especially the emergency services.

My next question for the Minister is: What was the action plan should there have been an emergency for these two communities? Thank you.

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Other than providing information to all of the community groups in the various communities where the health centres would close, with the exception of essential services, I don’t know if the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority actually had an action plan in place that would say that this is what we were going to do in case of emergency. I suppose that they would treat it like any other medical emergency. If there was a medical emergency at any time while there was staff at the health centre or not, they would be treated in the same type of urgency. Thank you.

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you. I understand that the Minister mentions that he doesn’t know if the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority had an action plan in place, but as the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services and his department, I believe that he should have an action plan in place should any other small community in the Northwest Territories go through a nursing shortage or lose staff for a period of time, especially during a critical time of year, which is around Christmastime.

My next question for the Minister – hopefully he has these stats on hand. Was there any emergency calls in these two communities during this time and

can he provide whether or not there were any emergency calls in these communities? Thank you.

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. I do not have that information. Thank you.

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just following up, as a responsibility to the Department of Health and Social Services working out of the department, I feel that it’s their responsibility to help create these kinds of action plans and move nurses around, should a community need a nurse or need some type of services. Would the Minister commit to looking at that as an action plan for the future so we don’t have to bring these questions up in the House again? Thank you.

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. The department and I are certainly aware that these are issues. Again, the current governance system allows each of the health authorities to employ nurses right across their own authorities. So each of the authorities would have a geographical area and they would employ the nurses to the locations. They’re independent from other authorities, and also independent from Stanton Hospital and independent from the Department of Health and Social Services. That is an issue; we see that as an issue. So recognizing that we’re doing something about the governance issue starting with the doctors, and also recognize that that’s a major issue with nurses as well. Thank you.

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Question 42-17(4): Nursing Services In Beaufort-Delta Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment as the Minister responsible for our BIP policy, Business Incentive Policy.

I have been advised by a constituent about a difficulty encountered with them and the BIP policy. It had to do with a request for proposal, an RFP, that was let by the government – Yellowknife Health and Social Services Authority actually – and it’s for an RFP which has previously often been handled by an NGO. But NGOs, according to the BIP policy, are not eligible to register as a business, so I’d like to ask the Minister why not. Thank you.

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member brings up kind of a grey area here. An NGO could certainly apply for BIP status if it has a

business arm. The reason an NGO itself cannot become BIP registered is… There are a number of reasons. First, they don’t pay taxes, or they don’t pay income tax. They usually receive significant government funding through other contribution programs. They often receive other government-based incentives ranging from free rent on a building or pay zero through tax assessments and often receive cash donations sometimes significant in nature. Also, they often receive non-cash-based donations. They have to be treated much differently than a business would be.

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you to the Minister for that very fulsome answer. I appreciate that NGOs are not like a business. However, NGOs provide a service which very often is an extension of our government health services or our social services. An NGO is providing a service for the government. It’s unlikely that most NGOs would have a business arm. I will just leave it at that.

I’d like to know from the Minister, in terms of an NGO providing a service versus a private business providing a service, does he consider that in comparing an NGO application for an RFP and the business application for an RFP that they are applying on a level basis? Is it a level playing field?

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I wouldn’t want to hazard a guess, not knowing the particulars in the situation the Member talks about, but if the Member would like to divulge – she doesn’t have to do it here today – the situation, if it is an NGO bidding against a registered BIP business here in the Northwest Territories then the NGO not getting BIP status, there’s a reason, and I mentioned the reason why, the NGO wouldn’t receive BIP status to compete with a registered BIP business here in the Northwest Territories. I’d like to, maybe, get the Member to provide us some further details and we can look into this situation.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I’m happy to provide that information to the Minister so we can discuss this a little more fully. I totally agree with the Minister that it’s a grey area and I think it’s one that we need to look into.

I want to ask the Minister, my understanding of the rationale for BIP is that it is to encourage local businesses to keep business locally, I guess. For instance, an NGO that has responded to an RFP and is running a service is employing people within the community, they are keeping dollars within the community, their employees are spending dollars in the community. I see the BIP as employing local people, enhancing local employment and enhancing northern employment. Does the Minister agree with that?

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

As I mentioned earlier, NGOs could certainly have a commercial aspect, a commercial arm to their operation, and that is a component of their operation that could become

BIP registered. Then those benefits the Member talks about are apparent.

I think, again, it is a grey area. It’s the first that I’ve heard of this situation coming up, and it’s certainly something I look forward to discussing with the Member and the Regular Members opposite, to try and find a way forward with it so that everybody knows what the rules of engagement are when it comes to tenders and NGOs and BIP registered businesses and how they would compete against one another.

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I will take him up on his commitment.

I would like to ask him at this point – there is at least one RFP out there that I’m aware of that an NGO is applying – if he would be able to, in looking into this situation which he said he will do, will he agree to hold off the awarding of any tenders for any RFPs that are out there where we have NGOs competing against a business until we clarify this area?

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Once the Member brings forward the details of the situation, I would certainly be more than happy to talk to whichever department the award would be awarded through and have a discussion about next steps.

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Question 43-17(4): NGOs Registering Under Business Incentive Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to use this opportunity to follow up on my Member’s statement, which was in whole about the Inuvik-Tuk highway and some of the costs and components thereof. I guess my first question is: When will a plain-language document be available for the public to see that actually specifies and drills down what the project is and what the actual costing estimates are? That way we will have something to debate and discuss publicly before an actual vote happens in the House.

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. David Ramsay .

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the public’s consumption, there’s the EIRB report that was out on the 25th of January. We’re

waiting for funding approvals and project approvals through the federal government. We look forward to getting those in due course. There’s a process that has to be followed and we intend to follow the process.

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I think that report hedged around a $300 million figure. Is that the actual cost that we will be working from on a construction basis, and is that the figure that the public can be referring to the Inuvik-Tuk highway as the actual cost?

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

We haven’t got a formal funding agreement with the federal government in place yet. At the earliest opportunity – I just signed a letter late last week – we’re going to be in front of the Member’s Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure as soon as possible to give his committee a full briefing on the project and next steps.

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

One of the critical components that has been referred to as part of the cost of this potential highway – and, of course, the final decision has yet to be made – is the royalty required by the regional government. Is an actual number pegged to what the royalty is, and why is the Government of the Northwest Territories paying for a royalty when we’ve made a concession on the road as being transferred for land and other options and we’re actually paying for the gravel? Will there be a royalty attached to the final figure of this highway and how much, if so?

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Through the Inuvialuit settlement, the land claim agreement that the Inuvialuit have, they have provisions for granular royalties paid to the Inuvialuit. That is something that is in the land claim. That is something that we continue to look at negotiating, both the royalty rate and the land tenure for the highway itself. Those discussions continue to be ongoing.

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From what I’ve been hearing on the ground, is an actual royalty rate has been negotiated and signed off between the territorial government and the IRC. I have yet to hear what that final number is and I think the public deserves to know. Also, why isn’t the government negotiating a zero royalty considering two things: first of all, this road is, in essence, at the request of people in that region, which I think is a reasonable request per se, but by the same token will this philosophy apply to every single new highway established here? Are we setting a dangerous precedent when we consider the Mackenzie Valley Highway, the Tlicho winter road alignment and so on?

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

I just want to let the Member know, and other Members know, that we haven’t signed off on the royalty rate, we haven’t signed off on land tenure. Those are discussions that continue to be ongoing with the Inuvialuit, and we hope to conclude those discussions and negotiations with them very soon.

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Question 44-17(4): Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 45-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now that we have established that, in fact, it is Mr. Beaulieu ’s jurisdiction, that the hospital actually belongs to him, now I will ask Mr. Beaulieu if the Minister would agree to write a letter to his seat mate, the Minister of Public Works and Services , asking Public Works and Services to do a review of the existing H.H. Williams Memorial Hospital facility to look at any potential costs of renovations in view of a staffing model and program that would allow it to continue to operate as a long-term care bed facility?

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Question 45-17(4): Long-Term And Extended Care In Hay River

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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