Debates of May 12th, 1999

This is page numbers 551 - 577 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministerial Compensation And Benefits

Minister's Statement: 63-13(7): Surviving Spouse Benefits

Alaskans Agree To Buy Made In The North Housing Packages

Economic Development Strategy Report

Super Soccer Tournament

Aboriginal Peoples Television Network

Government Contracting Irregularities

Generosity Of The Yellowknife Business Community

Recognition Of Martha Harry And Canada Highway Stamp Set

Return To Oral Question 131-13(7): Ministerial Authority To Purchase Arts And Crafts

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Economic Development Strategy Report

Public Works Contract Management

Court Decision On WCB Benefit

WCB Surviving Spouse Benefits

Review Of Business Incentive Policies

Expanded Down Payment Program Budget

Consultation On The Economic Strategy

Eliminating Cigarette Vending Machines

Wildlife Act Residency Requirements

Ministerial Compensation And Benefits

Value - Added Industry For Diavik

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Tabled Document 49-13(7): A National Children's Agenda: Measuring Child Well-being And Monitoring Progress, Supplementary Discussion Paper

Funding For Special Needs Assessment And Programming

Extended Adjournment

Item 16: Motions

Extended Adjournment

Funding For Special Needs Assessment And Programming

Return To Oral Question 167-13(7): Small Claims Court Procedures

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Provide Funding To The Working Together Program

To Provide Funding For The Community Skills For Work Program

Social Programs Departments To Provide Periodic Updates On Departmental Cooperation

To Amend Clause 3(2) Of Bill 17: Appropriations Acts, 1999-2000

To Amend The

Schedule Of Bill 17: Appropriations Act, 1999-2000

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, 1999-2000

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Hounourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 551

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 62-13(7): Ministerial Compensation And Benefits

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a number of questions have been asked in the Legislative Assembly this week with respect to the compensation and benefits that are available to Ministers of this government. Mr. Speaker, the Cabinet for the new Northwest Territories considered this matter at its first planning meeting at Cli Lake on April 7th and 8th, 1999. Since that time, Cabinet has begun a comprehensive review of all aspects of the ministerial compensation package, the Ministerial Policy Manual and the recommendations of the Commission on MLA Compensation.

As a result of our initial review of these matters, work has begun on the development of recommendations to rationalize the compensation and benefits available to Ministers. We expect to consider these recommendations within the next several weeks. Mr. Speaker, these recommendations will deal with all aspects of the ministerial compensation package including: ministerial salaries, expense reimbursements, annual and sick leave, furniture allowance, relocation assistance, furniture disposal, headquarters accommodation reimbursement and home travel. In addition, Mr.

Speaker, we will be considering recommendations on the transition allowances available to outgoing Cabinet Ministers. This is to ensure consistency and transparency in the availability of these allowances.

Mr. Speaker, Cabinet is committed to the implementation of a fair, simple, easy to understand and transparent system of compensation and benefits for Cabinet Ministers. As I stated earlier, substantial progress has been made on the development of recommendations to change the current system of compensation for Ministers since the current Members of Cabinet first met in April. We will provide all relevant details of these changes to the Members of this House during the summer sitting of the Legislative Assembly. Mr.

Speaker, it is important to note that our review and resulting changes will be limited to the compensation and benefits available to Ministers. Any changes with respect to MLA compensation are issues that can only be determined by all Members of the Legislative Assembly and must be left to another forum. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 62-13(7): Ministerial Compensation And Benefits

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement: 63-13(7): Surviving Spouse Benefits

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to give an update today on the issue of surviving spouse benefits in the Workers' Compensation Act. At the present time, the surviving spouse of a worker killed in the course of his or her employment is entitled to workers' compensation benefits. However, these benefits are terminated if the surviving spouse remarries.

Similar provisions have existed, at one time or another, in all jurisdictions in Canada. Since the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was passed, questions have been raised about the constitutional validity of these provisions. Governments and workers' compensation boards across Canada, and here in the Northwest Territories, have been struggling with appropriate responses to these concerns.

Mr. Speaker, although there have been concerns, there has never been a decided court case on the issue of whether such provisions are constitutional. Since the question of surviving spouse benefits has been raised by a widow from the Northwest Territories, the Board of Directors of the WCB has decided to obtain a court ruling on the constitutional question. This will then help clarify the need for legislative amendments to deal with the issue. The WCB will be seeking a declaratory judgment on all issues related to the constitutionality of these provisions, Mr. Speaker.

In order to get a full hearing of the issues, the WCB will fund all reasonable legal costs and disbursements for one party to argue in favour of the constitutionality of the provisions and another party to argue against their constitutionality.

Once the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories and the Nunavut Courts of Justice have ruled on the matter, the WCB Minister for Nunavut and I will be asking the WCB to provide recommendations on what, if any, legislative amendments are necessary. This appears to be the quickest route for resolving the question of surviving spouse benefits on remarriage. Mr. Speaker, it is the intention of the WCB to be fair to workers and their families. I look forward to the results of this court hearing and to a resolution of this issue, hopefully by the fall. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement: 63-13(7): Surviving Spouse Benefits

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr.

Roland.

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Minister's Statement 64-13(7): Alaskans Agree To Buy Made In The North Housing Packages

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to rise and announce that the Inupiat Development Corporation, of Alaska's North Slope, has agreed to buy six housing packages from the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. These six homes will contain elements manufactured in the Northwest Territories. Materials will be bought through NWT suppliers and shipped to Alaska down the Mackenzie River on the barges of the Northern Transportation Company Limited. All of these activities create jobs for our constituents.

It is expected that contracts for these six housing packages will be signed in the near future following final design changes. The packages should hit the beach at Barrow this July with construction carried out by local labour.

The sale is the direct result of the Corporation's efforts to open new markets for NWT products, designs and services. This is work that has been ongoing for more than a year. Mr. Speaker, when I was an Ordinary Member, I accompanied representatives of the Housing Corporation on a trade mission to Alaska and the Russian Far East. This trade mission was followed by several visits to Alaska by representatives of the Housing Corporation. At that time they presented to the Alaskans, the high level of design and logistics expertise developed over the years by the corporation. To put it simply, Mr.

Speaker, the Housing Corporation showed the Alaskans that it could provide homes for a lower cost than their suppliers in the lower 48 states.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 64-13(7): Alaskans Agree To Buy Made In The North Housing Packages

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 162-13(7): Economic Development Strategy Report

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in early February, this government released the much anticipated Economic Strategy Report. We know from discussions of last summer that the contract to develop the strategy had a hefty price tag, some half million dollar figure was bandied about. It was initiated and was to be directed by the former Finance Minister , Mr. Todd.

When the strategy was released, the document was handed over from the Finance Minister to the Minister of RWED , Mr. Kakfwi . Mr. Kakfwi has made it clear that after he had received the document, that as far as he was concerned the document was only a discussion paper. Although this economic strategy was to cover Nunavut as well, we found out that Nunavut was not waiting for the document and had in fact gone ahead with a process of developing its own economic strategy.

In March of this year, I asked a number of knowledgeable constituents and business people to provide me with feedback on the economic strategy document. They came back with comments that referenced what we started with and where we ended up. In the original request for proposal several specific terms of reference were outlined:

-that two strategies were to be developed, one for the east and one for the west;

-that specific priorities for investment be outlined;

-that measurable goals and ways for measuring performance be detailed;

-that roles for all stakeholders be clearly defined;

-that the strategy document be developed with and supported by key stakeholders;

-that a communications plan for each strategy be included.

These were just some of the key requirements the contractor was to deliver in the final product of the economic strategy. The report does not provide us with all of these things and it gives us a discussion paper rather than a strategy. The economic paper is full of economic policy declarations and much repetition. There seems to be no guidance in the paper on how to achieve the policy ideas, but this is exactly why an Economic strategy contract was awarded by this government, to provide us with directives that can be implemented and measured. The people that replied to me tell me the document is difficult to read. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 162-13(7): Economic Development Strategy Report

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ootes , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 162-13(7): Economic Development Strategy Report

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The people that replied to me tell me that the document is difficult to read. They also stated that it is full of jargon, run-on sentences and convoluted ideals. Minister Kakfwi has said that the document will serve as a basis of discussion and he has emphasized that. He has also stated that he feels it is now essential that this document must go out and he must meet with aboriginal leaders, federal government representatives and business organizations to find out if they can buy into the idea of creating an Economic strategy and to get feedback on the report.

It sounds to me like we are back to square one and asking, do we need an Economic strategy? Mr. Speaker, that should have been the first step last summer before the Economic strategy contract was even awarded. It was also in the terms of reference of the Economic strategy contract. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 162-13(7): Economic Development Strategy Report

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 163-13(7): Super Soccer Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A little over a week ago Yellowknife was host to the annual major soccer event of the year, Super Soccer. As has been the case over the past few years, many teams from across both our NWT and Nunavut were in attendance. From the people I have talked to, the event was a success and everyone had a very good time. Normally the teams from Rae-Edzo are the ones to beat and as always this was the case again this year. However, we did not have the full contingent we usually have, but the teams that did go did very well and were able to take the championship for the 14 and under boys' category.

They played very hard and the community is very proud of the boys as well as all the other teams that represented Rae-Edzo. I would like to congratulate the teams from Rae-Edzo for the fine job they did as well as congratulate the organizers for the excellent work they did again this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 163-13(7): Super Soccer Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 164-13(7): Aboriginal Peoples Television Network

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to inform the House of a new national television network. In February of this year the CRTC approved the application from the APTV, which is the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network, to operate a national aboriginal television network. This network will come into effect in September of this year. The application for this new television network was made by TVNC, which is Television Northern Canada who, over the next few months, will transform itself into the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network.

Mr. Speaker, what makes this so unique is that this network will offer aboriginal programming to all regions in Canada as well as offer international, indigenous programming to viewers. This is especially significant for Northerners to be proud of and will offer viewers in the North a television network free of charge. Southern viewers will be offered the same service at a cost of 15 cents per month.

Unlike southern viewers, Northerners will have access to a special northern feed which means that viewers in the North will continue to be offered northern-specific programming such as the Legislative Assembly proceedings and distance-education programming. This will ensure viewers, particularly aboriginal people, a network with northern content.

The greatest benefit, Mr. Speaker, is that viewers in the North will now have access to other southern and international aboriginal-based programming that they would not otherwise be able to view. Like many residents of the North, I welcome this new addition to northern television, particularly on behalf of aboriginal people and look forward to viewing this network when it comes on-line in September. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 164-13(7): Aboriginal Peoples Television Network

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 165-13(7): Government Contracting Irregularities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have recently heard in the media that a former government employee within the Fort Simpson region has been charged with receiving some sort of remuneration in return for the award of service contracts in the Fort Simpson area. As a former engineer with Municipal and Community Affairs, I am going to be very curious to find out, Mr. Speaker, how the department was involved in this investigation.

It would be interesting also to know whether these contracts were publicly tendered or negotiated contracts because it strikes at the whole issue of contracts in our government, which has always been a source of much debate and consideration. I will be curious to know what kind of values were involved with these contracts. These contracts apparently were awarded within a specific time frame so, I am also concerned about this because companies in my community rely on the ability to bid on and win the contracts in this area.

This may be evidence to us of how widespread this practice may be within the government departments who are responsible for awarding contracts.

Mr. Speaker, it is not only unfair to other potential bidders, but it is also an irresponsible handling of public funds. One would think, Mr. Speaker, that if these are service contracts that are multi-year contracts, we need to know not only about the employee who received remunerations from the government, but also, we need to know about the companies that were offering this as an incentive to receive these contracts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 165-13(7): Government Contracting Irregularities

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . As a reminder to Members and the House, if any matter is before the court or judiciary system we are not allowed to debate it in this House. Please keep that in mind. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 166-13(7): Generosity Of The Yellowknife Business Community

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have said on a couple of occasions, I like to give acknowledgement when it is in order. Today, Mr. Speaker, I rise to acknowledge the local business community. The Yellowknife businesses, Mr. Speaker, provide a good service. Additionally, they often give, give and give again. By this I mean that they are behind the scenes making local events possible. They donate gifts, gift certificates, prizes, money, services and many of them sponsor community events and recreational and athletic teams such as baseball teams and that sort of thing.

I am told that they get an amazing number and variety of requests. Some places get three to five requests per week and, in fact, some businesses get daily requests. Mr. Speaker, despite the doom and gloom about businesses closing in Yellowknife, many people, including myself, have been amazed at the generosity of the Yellowknife businesses.

--Applause

For example, the Youth Parliament here in May is partially made possible through the generosity of the airlines helping them to come from the communities to Yellowknife to participate in the Youth Assembly. Folk on the Rocks, Raven Mad Daze, you name it, whenever events like this occur, you always see lists of acknowledgement in the papers. Mr. Speaker, it is really true that there is a multiplier effect when you spend your dollars locally. The dollars stay in the North and there is also the hidden benefit of assisting the local business community to provide a little more to these local events. Mr.

Speaker, this statement is made to recognize the businesses. On behalf of the public and especially the volunteers who are continually asking for donations for various projects, I would like to applaud and to thank the local business community. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 167-13(7): Recognition Of Martha Harry And Canada Highway Stamp Set

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to recognize one of Inuvik's most treasured elders, Mrs. Martha Harry. Miss Martha Simon was born on January 12, 1918. She met and fell in love with Mr. George Harry and they were married in Aklavik on March 17, 1939. The couple had 12 children. Five of their children are still alive. They are: Mr. Leonard Harry, Ms. Lillian Elias, Ms. Valerie Steffanson, Ms. Susan Peffer and Mr. Harold (Ebun) Harry.

Mrs. Harry is well known for her drum dancing. Her great aunt began teaching her to drum dance when she was about four years old. Her son, Mr. Leonard Harry, says that children were taught the dances as a part of their education. Mrs. Harry knows the dances of long ago. She was happy when she and her husband were approached in the late 1980s to see if they would be willing to teach drum dancing. That was when they began teaching drum dancing sessions in their own home on Co-op Hill in Inuvik.

When they first began, there were only a few people that came to their house for the sessions and they were: Mr. Wilbert Papik, Ms. Debbie Gordon-Ruben, Mr. Leonard Harry, Mr. George Harry and Mrs Harry. Mrs. Harry would drum on a piece of cardboard or a garbage can lid and Mr. George Harry would teach the dances. Ms. Gordon-Ruben knew some of the dances, Mr. Papik was very shy and Mr. Leonard Harry liked to yell out during the dances. Mr. Leonard Harry made about 40 phone calls asking if people were interested in learning to drum dance and invited them to come to his parents' home.

Everyone he contacted said that they were interested, not one person said no. They began with about five people, soon their home would be filled with people and sometimes there would be no room in the living room because so many people wanted to learn.

Mrs. Harry has travelled to Ottawa, Toronto, Edmonton, British Columbia, Rankin Inlet, Kugluktuk, Whitehorse and Point Barrow, Alaska for drum dancing. She has met many people in her travels because of her interest and desire for teaching drum dancing. Mrs. Harry is a permanent and honoured member of the Inuvik Elders Committee and was given an award from the ICC Elders Committee in 1997 during a workshop. She was named the Elder Role Model of the Year for 1997. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 167-13(7): Recognition Of Martha Harry And Canada Highway Stamp Set

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? I have no nays. Mr. Roland , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 167-13(7): Recognition Of Martha Harry And Canada Highway Stamp Set

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. On one of the stamps that Canada Post has recently released, we have this wonderful opportunity to show this treasured elder, Mrs. Martha Harry. These stamps are a part of the 1998 Scenic Canada Highway Stamp Set. Mrs. Harry is shown drum dancing and behind her is the Dempster Highway. The stamps are now available and the people of Inuvik are very proud to have Mrs. Harry representing them.

Mrs. Harry and her children are well known throughout the Delta for their warm laughter, their friendly smiles and especially their kindness. When sitting with her and her family you will hear interesting stories, fond memories of her late husband, their grandparents, and always, always hear their laughter. Thank you, Mrs. Harry, for giving us so much to be proud of and for your willingness to share more knowledge of the Delta tradition and culture. We appreciate all that you continue to do and for being the wonderful person that you are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Premier .

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Return To Oral Question 131-13(7): Ministerial Authority To Purchase Arts And Crafts

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there was an oral question asked by Mr. Morin on April 26th in regard to ministerial authority to purchase arts and crafts. As all Members are aware, the creation of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development involved the amalgamation of the former Department of Economic Development and Tourism. One of the goals of the Department of Economic Development and Tourism was to increase job and income opportunities in the arts and crafts sector.

As a result, the department has historically been involved in the purchase of arts and crafts in all ridings throughout the Northwest Territories. Likewise, the goal of the NWT Development Corporation is to stimulate growth of businesses in the NWT and to promote economic diversification and stability, including the arts and crafts industry.

Clearly the Department of RWED, the NWT Development Corporation and the Minister responsible for both are mandated to purchase products from NWT artisans and crafts people for promotional purposes, such as displays at trade shows, art festivals and international conferences. As far as other departments or Ministers are concerned, if the purchase of arts and crafts assist in meeting departmental or governmental objectives, it would fall within the scope of their authority.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize my daughter, who is up here visiting me in Yellowknife today, Jillian.

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Page 555

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

At this time I would like to recognize a former Member of the House, Ms. Lynda Sorensen.

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Question 190-13(7): Economic Development Strategy Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 555

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I made a statement today regarding to the economic strategy document and I have a number of questions in that area for Mr. Kakfwi . My first question for the Minister is, to the Minister's best knowledge, did the contractor fulfil all the guidelines and terms of reference as stipulated in the contract agreement? Thank you.

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The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 555

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the former Premier had given direction that the former Finance Minister , Mr. Todd, take the lead in developing the economic strategy. I believe a call for proposal was made sometime in the early months of 1998. I was not involved as a Minister in that initiative and the definition of it. I am unable to answer the question. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell me what department may have paid for the economic strategy?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am not able to answer to answer that question either. I will take it as notice.

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Question 191-13(7): Public Works Contract Management

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 555

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for Mr. Steen and I will take into account your comments with regard to matters that are being considered before the courts so I will try to make the questions of a very general nature. Mr. Speaker, what measures does the Minister have in place to ensure that contracts awarded by the department that he oversees, are not affected by bribes and kickbacks? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have that information at my fingertips, I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 192-13(7): Court Decision On WCB Benefit

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 555

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. It is in relation to his statement on the surviving spouse benefits. Is the Minister aware that the Human Rights Commission in Alberta recently indicated that it may be unconstitutional to provide more benefits to people if they are a widow or widower in relation to other people who are not married and still have children to raise. Is he aware of that recent decision that came down about two weeks ago?

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Page 555

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The Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Page 555

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, I am not. Thank you.

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Page 555

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would be happy to provide the Minister with the name of the decision. It indicates that perhaps, giving widows and widowers a pension in addition to what other people would be able to get for raising their children, is unconstitutional. Thank you.

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Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Member's offer. Thank you.

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Question 193-13(7): WCB Surviving Spouse Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 556

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hopefully the Minister will be able to dispose of my questions on the same topic as Mr. Erasmus asked. My questions are for the Honourable Mr. Miltenberger , on his comments today on surviving spouse benefits through the Workers' Compensation Board. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, how much money is he talking about or does he have a figure on how much the cost of this action will take to find out if the Workers' Compensation Board should remunerate the widow of a deceased employee? How much will this action cost? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last three and a half years, my experience with lawyers would cause me to say I have no idea what it would cost, but it would probably would be in the five to six figures. This would just be a layman's guess. I can indicate to the Member that there are significant amounts of money sitting there waiting for widows. That and fairness in this area is what is driving this issue. Thank you.

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Page 556

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, he has noted that there has been a request from the widow of a deceased worker. Can the Minister tell me the number of requests that he has had, or is this the first request that has come in and we are going to get the lawyers involved? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Mr. Minister.

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Page 556

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue before us with the Workers' Compensation Board, is the fact that the current legislation precludes us from paying widows should they choose to remarry. We are looking for a way, an expeditious way, to address that issue. Now that we are two jurisdictions, legislative changes are significantly more time-consuming to enact. We have limited time as an Assembly to do that.

We are hoping that by choosing the route for seeking a declaratory judgement from the court, to indicate that, yes, our current legislation which precludes us from paying widows who remarry is unconstitutional will give us the leverage to move ahead in a timely fashion to address the issue. Other jurisdictions have in fact taken that step. We are aware of the situation, but we do not have the legal means to honour the need to address the issue of widows that remarry. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad that the funds that the Workers' Compensation Board collects go to worthy causes, like looking after work for lawyers. My question, Mr. Speaker, is did the Workers' Compensation Board do a cost analysis of what it would have taken to resolve this issue by paying the annual figures out to the parties that have requested them, as opposed to getting a ruling from the court and having additional parties involved and financing that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 556

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize if I have not been clear in my response. The current legislation precludes the board from in fact doing that. This has been checked into and what is required is a change in legislation. We are not in a position at this point to bring forward in a timely manner changes to legislation. A way to speed that process up in our opinion, is a seeking of a declaratory judgement which would give us the legal basis to move ahead with paying spouses. As it now stands, our legislation, which is outdated, does not give the board that authority. They would, in fact, be contravening their own legislation. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that clarification. Has the Workers' Compensation Board checked with other jurisdictions to find out what they do, regardless of what our legislation says? Has the Workers' Compensation Board checked with other jurisdictions to find out what they do in similar circumstances? Thank you.

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Mr. Minister.

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Page 556

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker. There has been a thorough review of this issue across Canada and in all other jurisdictions. All other jurisdictions at one point or another, in the past or the recent past, have taken steps to ensure that the legislative basis upon which the WCBs in their jurisdictions operate reflect the need to address this issue. Our legislation does not at this point. Thank you.

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Question 194-13(7): Review Of Business Incentive Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 557

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for RWED . Mr. Minister, as you are aware, there have been many attempts in the past to look at the Business Incentive Policy as well as the Manufacturing Policy. The problem our contractors and manufactures are having in the Nunavut Territory as well as other parts of Canada, is the ability to bid successfully and to be able to succeed in getting the work. My understanding is that as of today, the door to Nunavut is shut to western business contractors. The door is shut to our manufacturers as well.

My understanding is that the Nunavut Government directed contractors that were going to bring in tanks from Fibreglass North, to now bring them in from Winnipeg. Is the Minister going to be doing any more work on the Business Incentive Policy and the Manufacturing Policy? Will we see in the life of this term, in this Assembly, any more initiative from this government on the whole issue of the Manufacturing and the Business Incentive Policies? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There will not be anything specific that we will do regarding the Business Incentive Policy or the Manufacturing Policy. We will be talking with the Nunavut Government to ensure that the relationship that we established will see that we treat our businesses and our companies in a way that would benefit both territories. We are interested in ensuring that we continue to do good business, even though we are now two separate territories, business in a way that would mutually benefit both business communities. Thank you.

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Page 557

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do wish the government and the Minister the best of luck in their deliberations with the Nunavut Government. We are all politicians here and we all understand who we represent and what our constituents expect of us. I would not be holding my breath too long, Mr. Speaker, hoping that the Nunavut government would be awarding contracts to western contractors or western manufacturers at a premium price over southern manufacturers. We are no longer part of the whole Northwest Territories that did exist prior to April 1, 1999. The Minister is quite correct when he says there are two separate governments now, the Nunavut government is separate.

We have to start looking, Mr. Speaker, at our own contractors, our own manufacturers, to enable them to compete in Nunavut or the Yukon Territory and southern Canada. Will the Minister commit to taking a serious look with the private sector at our Manufacturing Policy and our Business Incentive Policy to enhance it and make it work so that it has measurable, measurable benefits to the west, and also so that it ensures that our people compete on even footing with other contractors from southern Canada and Nunavut? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is work underway now to look at the Procurement Policy of the Government of the Northwest Territories and under that we will be looking at our policies such as the Manufacturing Policy and the Business Incentive Policy. We will be looking at it in terms of the overall Procurement Policy that this government has. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister for that commitment of looking at the Procurement Policy, and the Manufacturing Policy and Business Incentive Policy fitting underneath the overall Procurement Policy of the Northwest Territories' government. But, Mr. Speaker, as you are aware and the Minister is aware, as well as every other Member of this House, it is now, May 12th today. Construction season starts when the snow leaves, building season starts when the snow leaves.

It is springtime, we are into our new capital commitments to the Northwest Territories, building roads, building buildings, and it does not do us a lot of good just to look at the policy, what we have to do is to do something about it.

Would you be able to, as a Minister and as this government, take action to ensure that the drainage to southern Canada ceases from the Northwest Territories? Our people are capable, more than capable of doing the work in the Northwest Territories. As well, to make sure that our manufacturers and our contractors are on an even footing when they compete with southern Canada and the new Nunavut Territory. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be reviewing that. As the Member suggests, we are contracting for services with the Government of Nunavut, a substantial number of services are still being provided by our government to the Government of Nunavut, and we will be taking a positive role in ensuring that Nunavut residents continue to get good services as they are setting up their government. We will continue to work with them to ensure that there are economic opportunities and ways in which we can interact with them in a business relationship and economically, we will explore that and those discussions will continue. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am well aware, Mr. Speaker, that we do supply services to the Nunavut government and the Nunavut government is a customer of this government, basically, we are supplying a service. I am well aware of that and I congratulate and commend the government for assisting our neighbours to the east, but also I am well aware, Mr. Speaker, that our contractors and our manufacturers in the Western Arctic are basically having the door shut in their face in being able to tender or get any work in the Nunavut Territory.

Will the Minister assure this House and make a commitment that not only will he look at the Procurement Policy of this government, but that they may attempt to do something about the policy to correct it prior to the construction season going into full swing? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have said, we will continue to work with the Government of Nunavut. There are meetings being set up, the Premiers are planning to meet very shortly, for instance, and there will be an agenda and I am sure the items that the Member has raised will be part of the discussions that are ongoing right now. We are paying attention to the issues that the Member is raising. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow up to Mr. Morin 's questions, and somewhat in relation to them, I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation how much was budgeted for the MDAP program? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The initial amount that was budgeted for the MDAP when it was announced, was $2 million, but I would have to check back to the information and make sure I have that accurate. I know it has gone above that since we extended it. It was initially to end March 31st but we have extended it to the end of June, so I know the numbers have gone above that. I think we are in the area of over $3 million into that program now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you. The Minister answered what my second question was, and that is how much have we spent today, approximately, on the MDAP program, and he has answered that it is around $3 million. Is there going to be a cap on the amount of dollars expended by the NWT Housing Corporation on the MDAP program? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that initial amount that was put out there, we did go back and have approval for a limit. If we go over that limit, then the Housing Corporation will have to start using it from its existing resources, so there will not be any new money, for example, being appropriated for this one. The program was announced in the previous year, I believe supplementary funding was given for the program. Anything that would go over that would come from within and, in speaking to the president of the Housing Corporation, he did raise that concern, if we were getting close to our limit we would have to relook at that program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am curious about how that was budgeted for, but that is a whole other subject we will have to take up on another day. My concern is, Mr. Speaker, we have heard a little bit about some of the economic benefits of the MDAP program.

I believe the previous Minister alluded to them, but I am just curious, based on what it costs on average to build a new home in the Western Arctic in a community, how many houses could have been constructed with spinoff to contractors, suppliers, manufacturers, shippers, craters, local employment benefits to small communities had these dollars been spent on construction in small communities where the need for housing is the greatest? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, the MDAP has created other economic development in communities where people have bought new homes and have further gone into repair, so there has been other activity created by the purchase of homes where new owners would go in and if it is renovation, if it is a kitchen area, if it is replacement of windows, and so on, so there has been the creation of some economic spinoffs because of this program. Just to be a little more clear, right now, in the areas throughout the whole territory, before we split off, this is as of March 15th, the numbers were at, for total

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is it the intention of the Minister and the NWT Housing Corporation to do a post-mortem on this program? I hear him allude to the benefits by people upgrading homes and so on, but we are well aware of the benefits of new home construction. We may not be as aware of the benefits of remodeling, if required. I am sure many homes that were purchased did not require any upgrading, so is a post-mortem going to be done on this to determine whether or not this was good value for money at $3.9 million?

Also, whether or not this money was equitably spread over the Western Territory, because I do believe that there were only a few communities that really benefitted from this program when, in fact, perhaps it could have been a little more equitably distributed so that some of the other communities could have benefitted as well. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member did hit on an area that is one that does stand out. When we reviewed the numbers, there have been a number of communities that have accessed this program and it has definitely been accessed more heavily in the larger areas, for example, Yellowknife, Hay River, and to a certain degree, the community of Inuvik, have accessed this program more than the smaller communities. I do know that, again, as of the middle of March, the amount of funding or house sales in the Western Territory is around the $40 million figure, so it has generated a fair amount of spinoff from that investment.

But, as I say, we are concerned that we will go over our limit and we will have to look at that because as we know in these fiscal times we have to be very careful with where we expend our money. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had questions earlier in regard to the Economic strategy and I have some different questions on the Economic strategy for the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . I wonder if the Minister could tell us, when the Minister received the document it had become a discussion paper and the Minister felt it appropriate to do consultation with stakeholder groups, which I think is certainly warranted and should have been part of the original mandate to fulfil.

In any event, I wonder if the Minister could tell us if he has initiated those steps to consult with the stakeholder groups, the aboriginal groups, the various municipal governments and the economic associations, such as the business organizations. Could the Minister tell us that, please? Thank you

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Premier has given the responsibility for developing an Economic strategy to myself as a Minister, in February. Since then, the Premier and myself have both taken up the work of meeting with various aboriginal organizations, regional organizations, the Aboriginal Summit, as well as business leaders, to lay out the approach we want to take.

The approach is to ask for the aboriginal organizations and the federal government, in the first instance, to buy into the idea of developing one Economic strategy, that the aboriginal leaders could support and develop, that could be supported by this government as well as the federal government. Then to lay out a process whereby we could get community leaders, individual communities and regions, the business community, as well as other stakeholders to get involved in a process to help us develop a vision, and process as well as a timetable to develop such a strategy.

We are still having discussions with various aboriginal organizations and stakeholders to make sure we have sufficient support to begin the process and within the next few weeks, hopefully, we will be in a position to say emphatically that we have agreement to proceed. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of areas that the Economic strategy should happen, perhaps did, but I think could have been more pronounced and focused in the Economic strategy. One of the areas, for example, is the oil and gas sector and the mineral sector. The oil and gas sector, by way of example, Mr. Speaker, there are 330 billion barrels of oil sitting on the Beaufort and that is, by the way, one and a half times what Alberta produced and reserved that they still have left. We exceed Alberta's by a far amount.

The gas reserves are 126 trillion cubic feet Which is approximately three quarters of Alberta's reserves. That is an area of Economic strategy that should be part and parcel to this. Could the Minister tell us, in his consultations, if he will or is looking into this particular development, because that can be the salvation of this Territory? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The sectors of the economy that involve oil and gas, mining and tourism at this time appear to be the sectors that have the

greatest potential for creating immediate economic activity that could be of benefit to the aboriginal communities, the territories as a whole, to the business community, as well as this government. Yes, we are prepared to focus very specifically once the aboriginal communities and regions and other communities within the territory agree on the approach. We believe that is exactly what is going to happen. Thank you.

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Thank you. Yes, I certainly agree with the Minister that this can be a tremendous opportunity for the aboriginal groups to be the leaders and the driving force in and of great benefit to the aboriginal organizations and groups, as well as this government and business groups. In my understanding it was not delved into in great depth in the Economic Strategy originally. Can the Minister tell us if he is pursuing that in a more constructive way to identify? The Minister's group of people are well versed in this whole area.

I wonder if he can tell us if he is going to capitalize on the knowledge that his group has to try and build that into the Economic Strategy and consultation paper because I think that is needed.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have been working with communities in the Deh Cho, communities in the Sahtu and are keeping an eye on the potential activity that could return to the Beaufort in the oil and gas sector. We have been taking a very proactive approach in making sure we are abreast of the developments within the federal government in regard to oil and gas activity here in the Northwest Territories.

We have taken the initiative to work with communities such as Fort Liard, Fort Good Hope, Tulita, Norman Wells and other communities that are interested and taking the initiative to get involved in working with oil companies and, working with these sectors to look at ways in which we can realize the potential for benefits from oil and gas activity here in the Northwest Territories. Yes, we have already been working with some of our communities.

The approach we would like to see is for more of the communities to indicate that they want to be taking

part in the economic development of the resources and to discuss ways in which we can work as partners in making sure that the benefits, jobs, flow to our aboriginal communities, our northern communities, our businesses and to the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, the Minister has a very experienced and capable group within his department that can put together a very persuasive package. I wonder if he is able to take that package and address it with Minister Stewart in Ottawa on the potential of the oil and gas and the mineral activity here in the Northwest Territories so that, while we have to ensure that the aboriginal groups are on side on this, I also feel at this particular time we have to ensure that Minister Stewart in Ottawa is very cognizant and aware of the tremendous potential that this can have on the country as a whole. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the Minister Ms. Jane Stewart is convinced, after three years or so of study by her officials that there is one thing that is absolutely clear, that none of the officials working for the federal government in Ottawa responsible for oil and gas and mineral activity in the Northwest Territory, that not one of them is interested one bit in working or living here in the Northwest Territories. We also know that they would be totally demoralized if it were even suggested that they have to live and work in the area where they carry out their responsibilities every day.

I believe that the good Minister, Ms. Jane Stewart, will make a decision in the next few weeks that will see the moving of positions from Ottawa to the North so that the people who are responsible within the federal government for administering oil and gas activities, for giving out permits and exploration licenses, will finally have to live and work here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

--Applause

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, a couple of months ago we had an opportunity to meet with representatives from the Cancer Society. They had given us a small briefing, I suppose you could call it, on smoking and possible things that could be implemented in the North, some of which would not cost very much and which could be very helpful particularly to stop children from smoking. We all know how damaging smoking is to people healthwise, people getting cancer, emphysema, that sort of thing and how expensive it is to the government.

One of the suggestions that was made was to ban vending machines in the Northwest Territories. This has been done in Ontario and Nova Scotia. I was wondering if the Minister would consider making it illegal to have vending machines in the North because vending machines, of course, anybody can throw their money into a machine and buy a package of cigarettes, and there is no way of telling how old a person is that is buying the cigarettes. I was wondering if the Minister would consider making it illegal to sell cigarettes through vending machines in the territories? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the area of tobacco and tobacco cessation is a large one for the department. We are concerned, and as I stated in my Minister's statement on the health forum, that is one of the areas where we see it as being a preventable illness, the impacts of smoking. I would indeed consider what the Member has just stated and will be discussing it with my Cabinet colleagues to see what options are before us in the area of reducing vending machines that would deliver smoking products. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Another suggestion that was brought up and which is actually done nationwide in the United States is to require retailers to ask for photo ID from all customers who appear to be under the age of 25. This is because a lot of people look older than their age and it is now illegal to sell tobacco products to people who are under the age of 19. Would the Minister also take a look at this particular issue of requiring retailers to ask for photo ID's from customers who appear to be under the age of 25? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware that there is now a request that vendors have to require ID if they feel that the person buying the products is under the age limit that is out there right now. The area of photo IDs is something I think this government is trying to deal with, trying to make the photo IDs more available. We could definitely look at that as well to see what can be done and be done in a way that would be cost-effective to this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Another suggestion that seemed very, very logical in trying to stop young children from being enticed to smoke is to ban candy cigarettes and other imitation tobacco products. Would the Minister also undertake to look into this suggestion? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again the area of smoking and products being available to the younger ages is of concern to this government and myself as Minister. The area of trying to stop candy products that come in the form of cigarettes is an area I think we definitely have to have a look at to see what can be done. I am not sure if we can limit candy sales. The Member has stated that they have banned it in other areas, and I will have the department look at that to see what is done in other areas and what implications there would be for this government. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of RWED . Mr. Speaker, a number of times in the life of this Legislature I have questioned the Minister on making changes to the Wildlife Act, which would permit RCMP and armed forces personnel to be able to hunt in the Northwest Territories. Mr.

Speaker, the Minister informed me over the last four years that there was quite a backlog of legislation to prepare for Nunavut and now that division has taken place, I would like the Minister to tell me when the changes that he committed to a review of the Wildlife Act, when those changes would be presented for public consultation or for review of this House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we have indicated a number of times, we had elected to wait until division to begin work on drafting a discussion paper that would lead to the drafting of a new Wildlife Act for the new Western Territory.

Our officials have begun discussions that would lead to the development of a discussion paper, which I hope will be released later this year that could lead to work, for instance, with the aboriginal communities because of their constitutional rights to bind to a process, to draft a new Wildlife Act and have that perhaps ready to be considered as new legislation sometime in the year 2000. The specific request made by the Member, I think, would be considered in that process. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my information indicates that, in fact, the RCMP and DND personnel who are posted to other parts of the country are permitted to hunt much sooner than a normal person moving to an area. The Minister had indicated that it is under review right now, but I do not believe he indicated as to when he would be bringing it forward in legislation. Could the Minister indicate again if he did not do it in the past, when will the legislation or the discussion paper be brought forward? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Wildlife Act that we have now is very outdated. It does not adequately reflect, for instance, the land claims agreements of the Inuvialuit, Gwich'in, Sahtu. It does not reflect the fact that we have a Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. There are sections of it that are extremely outdated. When we undertake the drafting of new legislation, it would have to be preceded by extensive discussions with the aboriginal stakeholders, as well as the overall community of the Northwest Territories. The initial part of the work, the consultation, will probably be the most extensive part.

I am sure the point that the Member raised will be considered in that process. I hope that with the initial positive response by the Dene chiefs to setting up an intergovernmental forum and the commitment to work with this government through that forum, as well as interest by the other aboriginal leaders in working on common issues with this government, that we can see a discussion process start this year and, as I have said, with legislation being drafted for consideration some time next year, in the year 2000. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I am talking about is extending these hunting privileges to RCMP and DND personnel while stationed in the Northwest Territories and I accept the fact that where there are already settled claims, they should have the permission of that particular group to hunt or to be on that particular land. It is the public lands that I am talking about, Mr. Speaker, that allowing these particular groups of individuals who are not necessarily here because of choice, but because they are posted here, to have them given the right to hunt on these public lands.

Could the Minister tell me if, in fact, the GNWT has the responsibility over those lands, not the aboriginal claimant lands, to allow hunting? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The most elementary of all aboriginal rights, I think, as, even former Prime Minister Trudeau said back in 1973, is hunting and trapping. Those are constitutionally entrenched rights within the claims, within the treaties. It is important that, when we talk about access to hunting and harvesting of wildlife anywhere in the Northwest Territories, we must always take into consideration the rights of aboriginal people.

It is our obligation to consult with them on any changes that we make in regard to management, harvesting and anything that would have an impact on the hunting and trapping rights of aboriginal people. We would have to take an overall approach to ensure that everything is balanced and consistent and considered in developing the legislation. We have to stop doing patchwork and remedial work on this rather outdated act. I am unable, unfortunately, to give a specific response to the Member. I know he has been raising it for some time. Thank you.

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