Debates of Sept. 25th, 1998

This is page numbers 222 - 248 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was seniors .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

The New West - A New Economic Force In Confederation

International Year Of Older Persons

Status Of Women Council

Breast Cancer/run For The Cure

Annual Meeting Of The Ministers Responsible For The Status Of Women

Victims Assistance Committee

Cancer Rates Among Northern Residents

Relocation Of Inuit To Broughton Island

Affirmative Action Policy Review

Comments On Western Governance

Dene First Nations Issues And Concerns

International Year Of Older Persons

Together For A Health North Telethon

Evans Report On Crime And Corrections

Request For Carving Conference In Cape Dorset

Return To Oral Question 43-13(6): P3 Public Servant Confidentiality Agreement

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Affirmative Action Review

Cancer Studies In The Mackenzie Delta

Uptake On The Aurora Fund

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy

P3 Confidentiality Agreement

Western Governance

Senior Homeowner Repair Grant

Health Care Professionals

Water Quality In Aklavik And Fort Mcpherson

Decentralized Nunavut Government Model

Transfer Of Federal Authorities To The North

Baker Lake Bridge Installation

Late Payments Of Loans

Kivallivik Dentistry Services

Diamond Mining Economic Benefits

Resource Development Tax Base

Diamond Mining Joint Ventures

Written Question 4-13(6): Ministerial Travel Reporting Requirements

Tabled Document 19-13(6): List Of All Inter-activity Transfers Exceeding $250,000

Tabled Document 20-13(6): Letter To The Commissioner From The Minister Of Indian Affairs And Northern Development

Tabled Document 21-13(6): Northwest Territories Judicial Remuneration Commission Report To The Minister Of Justice

Tabled Document 22-13(6): Victims Assistance Committee Of The Nwt, Ninth Annual Report April 1997 To March 1998

Tabled Document 23-13(6): Letter From Quqshuun Ilihakvik Centre To The Kitikmeot Board Of Education

Extended Adjournment

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Delete $1.5 Million From Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-99

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Education Act And The Property Assessment And Taxation Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Property Assessment And Taxation Act

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act No. 2, 1998-99

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 38-13(6): The New West - A New Economic Force In Confederation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate Premier Morin and my Cabinet colleagues for this visionary new agenda for the new Western Territory. It reflects who we are, reinforces what we value and provides a blueprint for what we hope to become in the next millennium. As this vision is fulfilled, we will see increased northern self-reliance, reduced dependence on federal transfers and new opportunities for northern people to take their rightful place in the workforce and economy.

If the new west is to become a new economic force in confederation, there must first be a resolution of governance issues that currently inhibit economic and social development. Second, decisions about the north must be made in the north. We ask no more than our neighbours to the south would expect for themselves. Thirdly, and most fundamentally, there must be a new fiscal relationship that results in a more equitable distribution of revenues generated by northern economic development.

Mr. Speaker, we are seeking a significant restructuring of our fiscal relationship with the federal government and aboriginal governments, including an increase to the tax window. We are

arguing that greater access to own-source revenues will, over time, enable the federal government to reduce transfer payments. As we gain a greater share of tax revenues generated by local economic activity, we will be better able to pay for quality health care, education, housing and social programs for the people of our communities. As well, we will have greater control and a greater say over how this is done.

There must also be greater cooperation instead of the traditional confrontation between our three governments. We believe there needs to be a more coordinated, focused and productive approach to federal and territorial investments, and economic policy development. We are encouraging productive partnerships among the three northern governments and provinces, industry and aboriginal development corporations to make strategic investments in support of northern economic development.

When you realize that fully 63 percent of the government's budget is committed to the social and health envelope, it becomes obvious that the creation of long-term, high-paying jobs presents the only lasting solution to our current economic and fiscal dilemma.

Our only hope of reducing our dependence on federal transfers is to create employment for our people. Only in this way will we realize our goal of creating healthy, productive communities capable of contributing to territorial self-sufficiency. At the same time, Mr. Speaker, we have acknowledged that we must expand our economic horizons beyond our northern borders. The regional market is simply not big enough to sustain growing territorial based businesses. In the same way that Canada needs the US for trade and economic growth, we also have to pursue larger southern markets for investment and increased business development opportunities.

There is another equally compelling reason for exploring new economic opportunities. That is the fact that the traditional northern economy, while critical to maintaining our culture and lifestyle, is nowhere near large enough to raise the kind of revenues necessary to meet the demands of our fast growing population. For example, Mr. Speaker, the revenues generated by trapping, the commercial wildlife harvest, forestry and fishing - some $46 million in 1996/97 - does not begin to cover the almost $740 million required for our social envelope budget.

We have to start capitalizing on the immense potential of our non-renewable resources, with their spin-off secondary industries, their ability to infuse billions of dollars into the local economy and capacity to create thousands of badly needed jobs. Of course, to succeed, we will need to develop the skills and confidence to tap into outside markets, and to become players on the national scene, but I have never doubted that northerners have what it takes to not only meet, but overcome, any challenge. Mr.

Speaker, rather than being perceived as a long-term liability to Canada, we can turn that perception around to an appreciation that the north is a national asset. In so doing, we will earn the respect of Canadians for our ability to govern our own affairs.

My recent discussions with my federal counterpart, the Honourable Paul Martin, as well as the Honourable Jane Stewart, Minister of DIAND, suggest our federal partners recognize the merits of our vision and are receptive to a new approach. There is a willingness to try doing things differently, to give northerners a chance. In fact, my sense is that they welcome the input and innovative ideas we are putting forward. Mr. Speaker, they are beginning to believe in us. Is it not time we began believing in ourselves?

We can demonstrate that we have the vision and the energy to make the new north a reality. We have the opportunity to demonstrate to our federal partners that we are worthy of the enhanced autonomy that we are seeking. This, Mr. Speaker, is the objective of the economic development strategy. This strategy will set forth our arguments, backed by compelling substantiation, for the kinds of things we would like to do. It will chart the course for change, measured in concrete and tangible steps.

I believe, Mr. Speaker, that, done correctly, this strategy has the potential to bring to the Northwest Territories, over $30 million in a new economic development agreement, together with as much as an additional $50 million in incremental revenues from an increased tax window. Add to this, untold millions in increased investment in northern infrastructure by our southern partners. When the spin-offs from this additional revenue are also recognized and when leveraged investments yield additional returns, it is easy to see how the strategic approach we envision, could well bring billions of dollars on increased economic activity to the north.

Mr. Speaker, for a return of this magnitude, an investment of $400,000 to develop the strategy and do it well, is a small investment to make. The broad based and encompassing approach that we are taking to this work will bring together the expertise of a number of qualified northern consulting firms, under the coordination of Roland C. Bailey and Associates, balanced by input from key government departments on all aspects of the strategy.

At the officials' level, the work is being directed by a team of deputy ministers, lead by the secretary to Cabinet. I have been given responsibility as the lead Minister for this initiative, because of its sweeping fiscal implications. However, Mr. Speaker, this is a big undertaking that touches every aspect of our operations.

The economic strategy will also rely upon the input of my Cabinet colleagues; the Honourable Jim Antoine , Minister of Transportation , who has responsibility for the new road initiative to open access to resource rich areas; the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , responsible for negotiating the new economic development agreement with DIAND; and the Honourable Charles Dent , who will oversee the training initiatives flowing from this work.

It should be mentioned, Mr. Speaker, that the success of this strategy also depends upon the input of northerners. We are undertaking an extensive process of consultation with key stakeholder groups. An informal consultation process has been underway since the awarding of the contract, to allow for data collection to take place. I have just recently commenced a more formal process of consultation, by arranging meetings with a number of organizations representing a broad cross

section of interests across the Northwest Territories. As well, I am awaiting a first draft of the strategy document, which I intend to table in this House.

This document will ultimately receive wide circulation in a draft format, for the purposes of consultation, before it is finalized. This will allow anyone with an interest in this work to have input into the final product. I encourage all Members of this Assembly, and all citizens of the new Western Territory to seize this opportunity to shape the kind of future we want for your children and ourselves. We have the rare privilege of building a new government for a new territory, from the ground up. It is a chance that comes, for those who are fortunate, only once in a lifetime. We owe it to ourselves, and the generations that will follow us, to do the job right Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 39-13(6): International Year Of Older Persons

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in recognition of seniors, I am pleased to announce that the United Nations has designated 1999 as the International Year of Older Persons. Its purpose is to foster international awareness of the importance of seniors' role in society and the need for inter-generational respect and support.

To create awareness and to launch this special year, October 1, 1998 has been declared the International Day of Older Persons across Canada. Canada's seniors population is among the fastest growing in the world. The International year of Older Persons is an opportunity for Canadians to think about these demographic changes and how we can respond to them as a society. The International Year of Older Persons also provides an opportunity to recognize and benefit from seniors' talents, energies, life experiences and contributions to society.

Canada's theme for the 1999 International Year of Older Persons is "Canada, A Society for All Ages". The theme was developed by representatives of the federal, provincial and territorial governments in consultation with seniors and seniors organizations. The theme highlights the importance of inter-generational dialogue and cooperation on seniors issues, the need to involve seniors in decisions, and the recognition that seniors play an important and beneficial role in Canadian society.

Mr. Speaker, a Northwest Territories/Nunavut coordinating committee was formed in 1997 to liaise with all northern communities in celebrating the International Year of Older Persons. The committee consists of the following individuals.

Commissioner Helen Maksagak, Honorary Chairperson; Bishop Jack Sperry, NWT representative for Canada's co-ordinating committee; Mrs. Esther Braden and Ms. Geraldine MacLean co-chairpersons; and members Mrs. Barbara Bromley; Ms. Jan Stirling; Mr. Wally Maduke; Ms. Marie Ernerk; Ms. June Van Dine Arden; Mr. Art Sorensen; Mr. Eric Nielsen; Ms. Judy Langford; Ms. Dianne Mercredi; and Ms. Rosemary Cairns.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of these individuals for work already done and work that they are about to embark on.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, the International Year of Older Persons is a special year to honour all the elders of the Northwest Territories, to develop ways of working with and for elders in our communities and to recognize what they have done and are still doing for all of us. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services recognizes the valuable contributions of our seniors and have taken steps to ensure that our programs are efficient and effective in supporting seniors living in their communities.

The Department of Health and Social Services, along with other departments that deliver programs to seniors, work together to ensure that the principles of independence, program sustainability, equity and access for all residents of the NWT includes our seniors. Mr. Speaker, we know that one way to improve the quality of life for seniors is by providing health and social services closer to home.

In supporting seniors to live in their home communities and in their own homes, the Government of the Northwest Territories has undertaken a number of initiatives, including;

­ Providing funding to communities to deliver home care;

­ developing and printing a brochure called "Programs and Services for NWT Seniors";

­ implementing, in conjunction with the NWT Seniors Society a 1 - 800 NWT seniors information line; and

­ continuing the construction of independent housing units for seniors.

In our strategic plan document, Shaping Our Future, the Department of Health and Social Services has confirmed its commitment to developing strong social supports for seniors through the increased involvement of family and community in developing appropriate health, social and cultural programs. We will continue to work together in partnership with the Seniors Advisory Council and government departments to involve seniors in the program design and evaluation to be sure the basic needs of seniors are met.

I am sure that with the efforts of all involved the International Year of Older Persons will turn out to be a great year in the Northwest Territories, in Nunavut and in the new Western Territory.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 39-13(6): International Year Of Older Persons

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 40-13(6): Status Of Women Council

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since 1990, the Status of Women Council of the NWT has supported women in the north to reach their full potential. The council was established by the territorial government to raise awareness of women's issues. The Status of Women Council plays an important role in the development of northern communities. With this in mind, I am pleased to announce that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is providing the council with $30,000 in additional funding.

This funding will provide the council with the opportunity to develop and deliver workshops to northern communities on:

-women and the role they can play in community development;

-increased participation of women in community leadership positions; and

-increased participation of women in decision making opportunities at the community level.

It is with these objectives in mind that the department is providing the council with training funds. The council is in a unique situation where they can deliver training through their extensive network of centres and volunteers across the north. Furthermore, the training project meets many of MACA's objectives towards developing communities, which include building local capacity, and facilitating community based planning, organizational development and effective leadership.

The Status of Women Council will contribute to the department's goal of community empowerment, by supporting women to be more active participants in the development of their community. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister responsible for both the Status of Women and the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, I am very pleased to be able to contribute to this worthwhile initiative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 41-13(6): Breast Cancer/run For The Cure

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, October is Breast Cancer Awareness month. For the past several years, 50,000 caring Canadians have taken to the streets in an event called Run for the Cure.

This event has grown and is now being held in 26 Canadian cities. Yellowknife is supporting Run for the Cure. On Sunday, October 4, 1998 Yellowknifers will run and walk alongside survivors of breast cancer to raise funds for breast cancer education, diagnosis, treatment and research. Last year in Yellowknife, 852 participants in Run for the Cure raised nearly $100,000. This year, 53 Department of Health and Social Services employees have formed corporate teams and are actively supporting Run for the Cure by running or walking on Sunday, October 4th.

Mr. Speaker, I must mention that our Premier , the Honourable Don Morin will be running or walking, I am not sure which, as part of the Health and Social Services team. I am sure you all will join me in cheering him on and encouraging him to raise lots of money for this worthy cause. Unfortunately, I will not be able to participate as I will be travelling. I am sure the Premier 's performance will be spectacular enough for both of us.

The Department of Health and Social Services has challenged all other government departments to enter a team and meet or beat our fundraising and participation efforts. I understand that Legislative Assembly and the Department of the Executive staff and Members have risen to the challenge and assembled a joint corporate team of 33 individuals. I would like to take this opportunity to applaud all participants and the many corporate sponsors of this event. I am told that a significant proportion of the money raised in Yellowknife will stay in Yellowknife to support local initiatives.

I would like to take this opportunity to outline some initiatives that are being undertaken across the territories to support the early detection of breast cancer.

-During the past year, the Department of Health and Social Services issued updated guidelines for breast cancer screening.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive rule 34(6) so that all Ministers' statements filed with the Clerk can be delivered today.

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Minister's Statement 41-13(6): Breast Cancer/run For The Cure

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Kitikmeot is seeking unanimous consent to waive rule 34(6). Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ng , you have unanimous consent.

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Minister's Statement 41-13(6): Breast Cancer/run For The Cure

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker,

- During the past year, the Department of Health and Social Services issued updated guidelines for breast cancer screening.

- The Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Board is developing a women's health program, funded through the Strategic Initiatives Fund, that will include mammography services being offered in the region.

- Health and Social Services Boards in Hay River, Fort Smith and the Deh Cho are working to establish ongoing links with mobile screening programs from Alberta or BC to facilitate and improve access for women who require this service.

- The working group on breast cancer screening will continue to monitor access to breast cancer screening and provide advice to the department and the health and social services boards for improving program delivery.

- In the coming months, the Department of Health and Social Services will be working in collaboration with the Status of Women Council and supporting the boards to better identify and meet information needs of NWT women related to breast cancer.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services, regional health and social services boards, women's groups, health care professionals and survivors with their families throughout the NWT are continuing to work together to combat breast cancer and its devastating effects. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 42-13(6): Annual Meeting Of The Ministers Responsible For The Status Of Women

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the annual meeting of federal/provincial/territorial Ministers responsible for the Status of Women was held in Iqaluit, August 19th to 21st, 1998. Given the imminent creation of the Nunavut Territory, we were very pleased to be able to host this important event in Iqaluit. I am pleased to say that all the delegates enjoyed our northern hospitality and many of them stayed in Iqaluit for a few days after the meeting. Most of the delegates had never been to Canada's far north. For them, it was an experience of a lifetime, and something they will share with friends and family for many years to come.

Mr. Speaker, the honourable Hedy Fry, Secretary of State for the Status of Women and I co-chaired this meeting. Together with the other Ministers, we addressed a number of issues that continue to prevent women from achieving full equality and the financial well being and security that is necessary for improving their economic status. We examined ways to recognize and incorporate the reality of women's lives in economic decision making processes, to eliminate barriers to equality for women, and to help women and girls make informed economic choices.

The Ministers and I also confirmed our commitment to end violence against women. We share a common vision of safe, healthy communities: a vision that embraces cultural, linguistic, and geographic diversity and also recognizes the particular needs of vulnerable groups. Mr. Speaker, the Ministers also agreed that the prevention of violence against women is a shared responsibility and that solutions will be best achieved through partnerships among individuals, groups and governments. To this end, Ministers will make a joint statement by December 6, 1998 reaffirming their determination to end violence.

Mr. Speaker, I made a very strong statement to the Ministers regarding violence in the family and violence against children and elders. I emphasized the extreme importance of being more inclusive when we talk about this item. Violence affects all members of the family. A strong family unit is a result of all members being mentally, emotionally and physically healthy. It is not just about the issues of the woman, the man or the child. It involves everyone. The Ministers understand and support NWT's position on this issue.

In addition to addressing priority areas such as violence against women, we discussed women's health and how we, as Ministers responsible for the Status of Women, can plan a key role in this area. Mr. Speaker, the meeting was very successful and I am indeed very pleased that we have the honour to host such an event. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 43-13(6): Victims Assistance Committee

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will table the 1997-98 annual report of the Victims Assistance Committee, as required by the Victims of Crime Act. This committee administers the Victims Assistance Fund. The fund is generated from fine surcharges imposed for offenses under federal and territorial statutes. Last year, I approved committee recommendations for contributions to 14 territorial organizations and community agencies totalling $139,133. These contributions paid for victim related activities in training, direct service delivery and public education projects.

In particular, this year contributions were made to organizations to promote and provide direct service and healing to survivors of residential school abuse. Other contributions were made for community based support and assistance to victims of crime in the western Arctic and Nunavut. This year there was an increase in training and healing initiatives in the NWT, several of which were run by experienced northern trainers.

I find it encouraging to see the Victims Assistance Fund being used as one of many links to developing community based victim initiatives. I would like to thank all victim support workers for their service to victims of crime in the north. I

would like to send a special thanks to Gail Cyr of Yellowknife, Julia Putulik of Chesterfield Inlet, and Alphonsine McNeely of Fort Good Hope as Victims Assistance Committee members for their valued personal contributions. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko

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Member's Statement 101-13(6): Cancer Rates Among Northern Residents

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is regarding the high number of cases of cancer that seems to continue to occur in the Mackenzie Delta region. There has been concerns raised by the Hamlet of Fort McPherson, the Hamlet of Aklavik and letters have been written to the appropriate Ministers on this particular matter. Yet today, there still has not been a conclusion to the matter.

It seems from the letters I have read from the appropriate departments, that they do not see it as being a crisis matter because of statistics, but from the communities prospective, it is a crisis and something has to be done. Mr. Speaker, I think it is appropriate that this government considers some sort of a program similar to what is being done in Inuvik in regard to the implementation of the women's health study.

I think that is a start and I would like to thank the Inuvik Regional Health Board for that. In order for us to look at the problem of cancer we have to look at all aspects dealing with the environment; airborne contaminants, water quality and also look at the whole lifestyle of these people and the history.

I think we have to start implementing programs to be able to pinpoint and evaluate exactly where these cancer problems seem to be coming from. In the case of Fort McPherson, I raised an issue when I was first elected about the water quality problem of that community. In one case, in Fort McPherson where they use something like seven or eight different chemicals in the treatment of water in the water treatment facility. That alone is a concern to the people in the community. Mr. Speaker, yet today that problem is still there.

Nothing has been done in the way of implementing infrastructure in that community to try to resolve that problem. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 101-13(6): Cancer Rates Among Northern Residents

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the whole area of finding a solution to this problem, Mr. Speaker, there has to be an implementation, some sort of means of monitoring the residents of the Mackenzie Delta to try to

pinpoint this problem.

I feel there has to be initiative by this government to allow all people in the Mackenzie Delta the opportunity to be tested. In a lot of cases, I find a lot of residents who do find themselves getting cancer. They go to the health centre time and time again and being told you either have ulcers, you have some other disease, but at the end of the day, when they are diagnosed with cancer, it is usually too late. It is after the fact.

I think it is critical we formulate some program to ensure people are monitored and that we take this problem seriously. There has to be more dollars and resources put into the evaluation and monitoring of the health of the people in the Mackenzie Delta. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister a question on this matter. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 102-13(6): Relocation Of Inuit To Broughton Island

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the Padloping Island and Qivittu relocatees. Padloping Island and Qivittu are former communities near Broughton Island. Their residents were located under duress to Broughton Island in 1968 by the territorial and federal government.

The two levels of government met many times with the two communities to urge residents to consider a move to Broughton Island. In Broughton Island, the government promised to improve public housing and health care services. However, the residents knew that game and other economically harvestable animals were in short supply near Broughton Island. As a result, they refused to move at every occasion, much to the government's dissatisfaction. The governments then resorted to emotional tactics, telling people if they did not move or relocate, they could end up dying because if they became sick, no one would come to assist them.

After several visits and misleading presentations, the government was eventually able to convince some of the residents to move. Others who did not share this point of view or were out on the land saw their houses and possessions transferred to Broughton Island without their knowledge or consent. Mr. Speaker, imagine the surprise when families out on the land returned home. Structures that were difficult to move were bulldozed over. In addition, the dogs were shot to facilitate the move.

To sum it up, Mr. Speaker, when the government's emotional tactics did not work, government officials took physical action. As I have stated, these shameful actions included the dismantlement and relocation of houses and possessions in the absence of the homeowners, the burning and bulldozing of qammaks and shooting of all the dogs. Individuals that experienced this ill treatment by the two levels of government have been abandoned and left with numerous social, physical and psychological problems.

Mr. Speaker, I support the relocatees in urging our governments to do their part to make this healing whole and complete, and ensure that justice is done for these victims of abuse. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 103-13(6): Affirmative Action Policy Review

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 228

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, our time together as a combined Assembly is short. There is as yet, an unconcluded initiative that we inherited from the 12th Assembly and that particular initiative, Mr. Speaker, is the review and report on the affirmative action program of the Government of the Northwest Territories. The initial review started back in the 12th Assembly when we took office, there was a considerable amount of interest and pressure exerted on the government to bring closure to that particular matter.

The government hit a wall where they could not seem to bring anything forward in the formal concrete way that was ready or qualified to be put on the table in this Assembly. In order to assist the government, a special committee was struck comprising of colleagues, Mr. Henry , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Picco and myself. We spent a considerable amount of time working with the material we had, all the work that had been done to pull together what we thought were very concrete recommendations which we submitted to the government and they indicated that they would be acting upon them.

Mr. Speaker, we have basically one more session or two short ones between now and December which will wrap up our relationship and our role here as an Assembly together. I think it is critical that before we finish that the government, in fact, table something in this House that would indicate their work that has been done, many people, hundreds of government employees were consulted thousands, tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent on this particular review. Yet, we have not seen one document brought to this House.

I will be asking the Premier in question period when and what is happening with that report and when we can expect to see it tabled, when our constituents can expect to see the combination of all of this effort and work that has been put in this particular review. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 104-13(6): Comments On Western Governance

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to comment on the Premier 's statement of Wednesday, September 23, 1998. It was good to hear his words of support for aboriginal self-government. However, our aboriginal groups must be assured that indeed this is true. You see, Mr. Speaker, we have all heard this before. We have heard that

this government supports the aboriginal groups' position on self-government, but in reality when the doors are closed the senior officials representing this government are actually contradicting our Premier 's words. Is it not the Premier and Cabinet that are making policy and directions for this government? How can we have a government that operates on two positions for the same issue? This government must demonstrate to the aboriginal groups that indeed it does support self-government, not just say so in public then turn its back on its own people.

In order for this government or the one to come after division, to operate effectively it must be clear to all parties that we do indeed support this very important motherhood issue, not just pay lip service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 105-13(6): Dene First Nations Issues And Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 229

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last night I had an opportunity to meet with the Yellowknives Dene First Nation and I would like to indicate some of the concerns and important issues they see. First of all they reiterated their desire to have their own constituency along with the Ingraham Trail which would be called Weledeh. They also indicated their exasperation with the affirmative action issue, the fact that not very many of their people seem to be getting jobs with the territorial government.

They also indicated that with the creation of two new territories, perhaps it is time for the west to clean out some people who may not be doing the best of jobs and to get some new blood into the system. They also expressed the concern about the new gun law that will be put into effect and how it will affect them during their hunting and the rest of that. Also the many times it was brought up, the new traps that have to be used, it is very difficult, particularly for the older people to use the new traps. The huge burnt area in the North Slave here also was of a great concern.

The feeling was that perhaps, if people had moved faster the land would not have been burnt so bad, particularly since it is good caribou area.

Also of great concern that the children are losing their language and that the government should work more on this. Of particular concern, many people spoke of this also is the seniors' fuel subsidy that it is simply not enough. They feel it should be enough to last a senior all year. The final issue I want to bring up, although there were many others, the concern was that with the creation of two new territories, that in the west there should not be a deterioration of programs and services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 229

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 106-13(6): International Year Of Older Persons

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 229

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to

The Aven Manor is a 29-bed facility providing 24 hour nursing care. The Aven Court is a 24-unit housing facility allowing low income seniors to continue to live independently. The Baker Community centre is a multi-purpose social and recreation centre. I want to commend the work and the board members and volunteers of the NWT Senior Society, the Yellowknife Senior Society and YACCS for the great work they have done for our seniors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 107-13(6): Together For A Health North Telethon

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 229

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Sunday, November 29th, the Stanton Regional Hospital Foundation will be holding the first annual "Together for a Healthy North" telethon. The organizers of this event, designed to raise money for capital equipment purchases at the hospital to meet the needs of the entire north. The foundation is hoping to get as many government and business representatives as possible involved. All it takes is a few minutes or an hour if you have the time, to get involved as an M.C. or as someone to answer phones for those wishing to pledge money towards the foundation. The event, Mr.

Speaker, will be seen across the north on the CAT Channel and TVNC, since it is a regional program, given the importance Stanton Regional Hospital serves on a regional scale.

On that note, Mr. Speaker, I would like to challenge my fellow colleagues of this 13th Assembly to show your support and get involved in some way for this very important event, whether it is through a donation or your time. As we draw nearer to November 29th, I anticipate there may be some in-house challenges adopted for this cause. Please mark this date on your calendar and I urge all Members to make a commitment now to get involved in this worthwhile cause for all citizens of the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 107-13(6): Together For A Health North Telethon

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Page 229

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 108-13(6): Evans Report On Crime And Corrections

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, the

Honourable Goo Arlooktoo tabled the Evans Report. Mr. Speaker, the report as Minister Arlooktoo stated, does not show a rosy picture of crime and corrections in the Northwest Territories, but by taking the report at face value and implementing changes like setting up a stand-alone probation service, Mr. Speaker, that proactive move in itself would be most welcomed, especially by those who are working in the field. On page 31 of the report, the author has outlined a strategic approach to offender healing and treatment. The implementation of that proposed amendment in the report is also most welcomed. Mr.

Speaker, it also mentions in the report yesterday and tabled in the Minister's statement about the over crowding in both the YCC and the BCC and explained it is not an exception, but is actually the norm. The upgrade to the YCC will be done sometime over the next year and as well welcomed. Mr. Speaker, I should also mention that Mr. Ng who commissioned the report and Mr. Arlooktoo who is going to implement the recommendations are to be congratulated for their proactive work in this very important end. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 230

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Member's Statement 109-13(6): Request For Carving Conference In Cape Dorset

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make reference to the announcement made by Mr. Kakfwi the other day on the carving conference which we have been working on for the past many months and which we now have the dates; October 19th to the 21st. I want to inform the House that I have approached Mr. Kakfwi to see if this carving conference could be moved to the birthplace and the cradle of the carving industry to Cape Dorset. Cape Dorset is well positioned in that it has a thriving carving economy and marketing the hotels, meeting place and the experience of the local people are there.

Not to take away from the community of Iqaluit where this carving conference is now presently slated for. I believe that it is only proper and right that this community of Cape Dorset host the carving conference. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Oral Question 43-13(6): P3 Public Servant Confidentiality Agreement

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 230

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Ootes on September 18, 1998.

All new employees (including casuals) are required to sign an oath of office of secrecy when they start their employment with the government.

THE OATH OF OFFICE AND SECRECY IS AS FOLLOWS:

I, ______________________, solemnly and sincerely swear that I will faithfully and honestly fulfil the duties that devolve upon me by reason of my employment in the public service of the Northwest Territories and that I will not, without due authority, disclose or make known any matter that comes to my knowledge by reason of such employment. So help me God.

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Return To Oral Question 43-13(6): P3 Public Servant Confidentiality Agreement

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 230

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 230

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure today to introduce Esther Braden, co-chair of the NWT Coordination Committee; Geraldine MacLean, the other co-chair. Some members of the NWT Committee, Barb Bromley, Wally Maduke, June Van Dine Arden, Dianne Mercredi and also Gladys Eggenberger who is with the Yellowknife Seniors Society.

All these Yellowknife seniors who have come to visit us today, Mary Wilson, Irv and Kay Grabke, Darcy Arden, Dusty Miller, Ruth and Bob Spence, Ed Jeske, Jim and Marion Wylie, Don Hunter, Delores Hunter, Ida Lucca, Mary Adderly, Albert Eggenberger, Agnes Williams, Lew Delaney, Theresa Crane and Carolyn McCabe. I ask all Members to join me in recognizing these distinguished visitors to our Assembly.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 230

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 230

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to introduce to the House the chief coroner of the Northwest Territories, Mr. Percy Kinney. I would like to note that Mr. Kinney according to Mr. Dent was first hired by Mr. Dent early on in the '80s. Thank you.

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Page 230

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 230

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize some visitors to the City of Yellowknife from the City of Thompson, Manitoba. The deputy mayor, Harold Smith; councillor, Al MacLean; Mr. Karl Martens; Ms. Wendy Jensen; Ms. Allison Crawford. They are joined today by the clerk from the City of Yellowknife, Mr. Tim Mercer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 119-13(6): Affirmative Action Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 231

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Premier . The question is a very straightforward one.

Could the Premier indicate if and when the final document will be tabled in regard to the affirmative action review that was undertaken starting back in the 12th Assembly? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin , Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am confident we will be able to table it in the November session.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 120-13(6): Cancer Studies In The Mackenzie Delta

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 231

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng regarding my Member's statement. I would like to know from the Minister, what studies are being done especially regarding the Mackenzie Delta where I have raised several questions in this House or have been motions passed by band councils, hamlet councils in regard to the water quality question, but also the concern of the high cancer rates in the Mackenzie Delta. Can the Minister tell me exactly what studies have been done and where are those studies?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a very complicated issue and the Member has asked for a lot of detail that I do not have with me, so I will take that question as notice in order to get the proper information back to the Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 121-13(6): Uptake On The Aurora Fund

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 231

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time is directed to the Minister responsible for FMBS. Mr. Speaker, this government has started a number of initiatives that were designed to help new or existing businesses to expand and make it a little easier for those businesses. One of the initiatives was the Aurora Fund and we have heard a number of times they had two programs and both, I believe were fully subscribed as they would say. I would like to know from the Minister as an update as to how are those funds being used. Is there still a lot of request for loans from that particular fund? Thank you.

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Question 121-13(6): Uptake On The Aurora Fund

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 231

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We deal with the request as they come forward from the investment committee through the investment manager, Mr. Bailey. I think it would be fair to say that we have not been inundated with request to be quite frank. We have dealt with them in an expeditious way. I do not know what the balance of the fund is sitting at right now off the top of my head, but I can get that for my honourable colleague as well as provide him with the full details of what money has been lent to date and for what type of industry. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

I would like to thank the Minister for that response and I look forward to receiving that information. Could he expand maybe a little bit here as to, initially it seemed like there was good uptake on that. Has it just been recently that the uptake slowed down? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you. The one thing about the Aurora Fund while it was a good initiative and it was one that as you know I was personally involved in, I really felt strong about getting this thing moved forward. When I say personally involved, I should clarify that by saying it was an initiative that I felt was important that we find new ways to bring new capital into the territories for the private sector to access. The question was, why is there not as much uptake as there was before, I do not know, to be quite honest with you. I know that we deal with the applications as they come forward in an expeditious way.

There is some limitations or a minimum in terms of lending. That may be one reason for it. It does not lend $10,000, $50,000, $100,000. It lends on the larger side of things. In a sense, compliments the business credit corporation which takes care of the smaller loans. I really could not tell my colleague why there has not been as much uptake as we would like, I know we are dealing with them as they come forward. Mr. Bailey is trying his best to let people know about it and there are applications approved on a regular basis. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister inform us, is there a timeline once the fund has been subscribed? Is there a timeline to lend that money and what happens after that timeline expires? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The way I understand the regulations is, when the money comes in from the investors, the potential immigrants, it is put in an escrow account and there is a timeline as to when that money is supposed to be out there working for the investor and working for the country as a whole. I believe, the timeline is either 75 days or 90 days, but I would have to double check on that. There is certainly a timeline from the time it is into escrow and the time it gets out to investment. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister further inform us as to what occurs once that timeline has passed, if the money has not bee put into use? Thank you.

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Keewatin Central

Well, that has not happened to date, but the theory behind is it should go back. We, in fact, would lose that accessible capital, but to-date that has not happened. Thank you.

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Question 122-13(6): Seniors' Fuel Subsidy

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

As I indicated in my Member's statement, one of the concerns that was raised at the meeting last night, was the fact that the senior citizens fuel subsidy is not enough to supply fuel for the complete year. Many seniors are going through difficulties because of this. My question for the Minister is, whether he would consider increasing the fuel subsidy so that it would be enough for the seniors to have fuel for the whole year? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I must note that I am quite happy that most of the seniors have left the gallery before this question comes up so that I am not seen as picking on seniors again. I am afraid the answer is no, we do not have the funds within the department to increase the program. It is important to point out that this is an assistance program. The Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program is part of our Income Support Program. It never intended to cover the full cost of the senior's fuel during the winter. It was intended as a subsidy, which means to pay part of the cost, not the full cost.

The department is prepared to continue with the subsidy program as it is now, but to ensure equity and fairness to all residents of the north, all of our income support programs need to be tied together. That means, there has to be a coordinated approach. I am not going to start picking one subsidy or one part of our income support programs and saying this is the one we are going to increase perhaps at the expense of others. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, what recourse is there if the fuel subsidy does not last through the whole year and the senior is experiencing difficulties? What can the senior do to alleviate that situation? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, an income support worker would be ready in any community to meet with the senior who is finding it difficult to meet their expenses. We are quite prepared to support our seniors to make sure they do not experience undue hardship. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would expect there would be some measures made to ensure that unilingual residents of Yellowknife could be served in our offices. I am not aware of whether or not we have an interpreter-translator on staff full-time. I would have to get back to the Member with the specifics on how we deal with unilingual clients. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If there are currently no measures for unilingual applicants, would the Minister assure this House that he will take steps to make sure something will be put in place so that people can adequately express their concerns, put in their application forms and the rest of that? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe we have a responsibility to ensure the services are available to all northern residents. I am confident that we have measures in place now, but I will confirm that. Yes, if there are problems with providing services to unilingual residents, I will make sure we find some way to address that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . I want to thank him for the return to my oral question the other day. It is in relationship to the request for public servants who are working on the P3 projects to sign an additional confidentiality agreement. I wonder if the Minister could explain to us why we are asking employees to sign two confidentiality agreements? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the Member has asked the same question a couple of times before and I have asked staff to prepare me a reply. I have not received that yet. I will have to take it again as notice. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Premier some questions on his statement in the House on September 23rd, the new agenda for a new Western Territory, western governance. I also have the press release that the Aboriginal Summit responded to the Minister's statement in the House. My question to the Premier is, what documents did the Premier make available to the Aboriginal Summit so they could respond as they did in their press release? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is tough to respond to the Member's question. I do not believe the House knows about the Aboriginal Summit's press release. It is a tough question to respond to. Thank you.

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The question, Mr. Morin has nothing to do with the press release. It has more to do with what documents you have. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe to help the Premier , all I want to know is what documents or presentations were given to the Aboriginal Summit. You committed in your statement of the 23rd that the information would be made available to the Aboriginal Summit and they would have an opportunity to respond to it. My question is, what documents were provided or what presentations were provided to the Aboriginal Summit so that they responded with their press release of September 24th? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the beginning of this session, we had a briefing with the Western Caucus and we had documents on new western governance at that briefing with the Western Caucus that were shared with the Aboriginal Summit. As well, I did have a meeting with the Aboriginal Summit to go over the principles of the key features of a new Western Territory. We met one evening, I forget what evening that was, after that they have our statements that are made publicly in this House. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Premier for his response. The Premier referred in his response to the presentation that was made to Western Caucus, the draft of the western governance. I take it that is what the Premier is responding to. Can I ask the Premier if this document which was made available to Ordinary MLAs from Western Caucus, if this document is available for us to share with our constituents for feedback? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did not table

that document in the Legislative Assembly as a public document through this House. Whenever we share documents with the Member of that magnitude and that importance, please share it with your constituency. I would just like to clarify as well, that document does address the government's preference of moving ahead to the creation of a new Western Territory in partnership with aboriginal governments.

We still have to work on other documents as a government as well, but we are working on a communication strategy in a package to share with all public as well. As soon as that is available, I will share that with the Members and share it with their constituency as well. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you Premier for that response. How long has the Premier or the government, how long are they given for responses before they produce a final document on western governance? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not think a final document, per se on western governance will be produced in the life of this Assembly. Western governance is going to be a complicated issue to say the least, but I feel it is a very exciting issue for us as Legislatures in working with partnership with our aboriginal governments, but it is something that has to be developed in partnerships, through the negotiation tables, with the federal government, with the new fiscal relationship with them as well.

It is going to take time, but I think the key here is that we move ahead and we move ahead in the new light, in a true partnership with aboriginal governments. Also in a true partnership with the federal government because I think that is the only way we can achieve our greatest potential we have in the western Arctic. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 125-13(6): Senior Homeowner Repair Grant

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 234

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question at this time would be directed to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation.

Mr. Speaker, over the summer months, a number of seniors who own their own homes have been concerned with their applications for the seniors' grant that is available to those who own their own homes. We have done a lot of work, as we know, with the Housing Corporation through the EDAP that allows people to buy their own homes, but the concern here is for seniors who own their own homes already and are in need

of repair.

I would like to know if the Minister will be doing anything in the area of trying to boost that area of funding so that more seniors who have their own homes can try and maintain their homes or stay in them. We have heard many times in this Assembly that if people stay in their own homes, in the long-term less expensive for this government. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can do a couple of things, one is to review the work that has been done in the Inuvik areas as far as gathering the applications where they are in the process. The corporation tries to maximize the number of clients they can assist, including seniors and special programs that are slated just for seniors.

As with many other programs, there is hardly ever enough money to go around, but we do the best we can. I will review the situation one for the region and I will revisit the issue of assistance for seniors, but I am in the same situation as what Mr. Dent was saying is that the resources we have are pretty much all spoken for. We can always revisit different issues. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that response regarding working on the issue. I would like to know, if possible, if he would be able to work with me on the Inuvik area to see if we can come to some solution that might see more seniors having the repairs necessary to their units done. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. We can certainly do that. I wanted to clarify that there are two programs that senior's repairs can go under. One is specifically slated for seniors. I do not have the numbers in front of me, but we did increase the amount earlier this year. The other program is through a repair program where the owner of the building is financed through the Housing Corporation. The repairs are done and there is a partial grant and a partial financing and I can make all that information available to the Member. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 126-13(6): Health Care Professionals

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 235

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Health and Social Service.

In relation to the discussion in this House, an ongoing concern with nurses, the lack of nurses and doctors and the general state of health care in communities. I was wondering if the Minister could indicate similar to what the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment did previously where he said the student teacher ratio in the north, for example is almost at the highest compared to all other jurisdictions in Canada. Could the Minister indicate if he would commit to provide that information to the House. What is the ratio to nurses on a population basis in the Northwest Territories.

Preferably on an east/west split and, the same for doctors. Is it a question that we do not have enough nurses or is it a question that they are underpaid in benefits or is it a combination of the two and if we are understaffed by how much? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a very good question. I obviously do not have those ratios here with me. I will commit to finding out what they are. I would like to state though, we have to put it into prospective because our delivery system in our rural communities primarily is nurse practitioner based which is different than some of our southern jurisdictions. Although, in some of the rural communities of other jurisdictions in Canada, I am sure there are similar models that have been look at and have been implemented as I know during the course of health care reform. Yes, I will commit to finding out that information and reporting back on that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 127-13(6): Water Quality In Aklavik And Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 235

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of MACA , it is regarding the whole area of water quality.

There have been concerns raised by the Municipality of Aklavik and also the water problem in Fort McPherson. I would like to ask the Minister what has been done to date as a result of these problems and when can the communities see a new water source in place for drinking water? Thank you.

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Page 235

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the problem in Aklavik and know that staff have been working on the issue with the community. I do

not have all the details here so I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 128-13(6): Decentralized Nunavut Government Model

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be directing my question to Honourable Goo Arlooktoo .

Yesterday my Member's statement was on the government decentralization model. Can the Minister tell us if there is any assistance available for smaller communities to acquire some government programs? Thank you Mr. Speaker.(Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under the Nunavut government planning, their staff and the regional governments where given to 11 communities. The proposals are still the same and there are about 15 communities that will be quite differently organized. There is no real assistance program available to the smaller communities.

These other proposals for decentralization that have already been established will not change as much per se but when the Nunavut government is formed, maybe their system will be such that it will be able to assist the areas much better than what has already been done. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if there is going to be more programs available for the smaller communities, besides the ones that have already been established, what process will be used to acquire more programs for the government? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to this subject I have to consult with other people who are involved in the decentralization process, from the territorial government as well, I would have to consult with the Nunavut government under the Interim Commissioner's office.

Since there is only five months now before the Nunavut government is to be established, perhaps at this time we cannot make any more changes prior to that date without consulting other departments and other interest groups. If there is going to be some decentralization process that is going to be established under the Nunavut government, but I do understand what he is talking about and the issues that are involved. Maybe perhaps under the Nunavut government, the Interim Commissioner can establish a program to take care of smaller communities. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 129-13(6): Transfer Of Federal Authorities To The North

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 236

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier .

Regarding the economic strategy that has been put forth, and also the efforts of this government to consider looking at resources for this government which are presently held by the federal government. My question to the Minister is, presently there is a Northern Accord in place to deal with the transfer of the human resource sector from the federal government to this government where it has to be negotiated. Is the government contemplating avoiding that process all together and going directly to the federal government to negotiate the transfer of resources to this government?

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