Debates of Feb. 9th, 2007

This is page numbers 743 - 776 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was review .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Apprenticeship And Occupational Certification Week

NWT Barren-ground Caribou Summit

Underage Drinking And False Identification

Process For Acquiring Canadian Passports

Safety Lights On Trucks

Responsibilities Of Corporations Involved In Resource Development

2007 Northern Women's Leadership Conference

Seniors' Housing Programs

Best Wishes To Nunakput Residents

Accuracy Of Caribou Population Estimates

Obstructive Sleep Apnea

Resource Revenue Sharing Agreement

Passing Of Danny A. Gordon

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Support For Foster Families

Resource Revenue Sharing Agreement-in-principle

Underage Drinking And False Identification

Housing Programs For Seniors

Safety Lights On Trucks

Water And Sewage Subsidy Reduction

Accuracy Of Caribou Population Estimates

Obstructive Sleep Apnea

Resource Revenue Sharing Negotiations

Written Question 41-15(5): Caribou Population Estimates

Mr. Miltenberger's Reply

Committee Report 7-15(5): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The 2007-2008 Pre-budget Review Process

Motion That Committee Report 7-15(5) Be Deemed Read And Printed In Hansard In Its Entirety

Committee Report 7-15(5): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The 2007-2008 Pre-budget Review Process

Motion To Receive Committee Report 7-15(5) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Committee Report 8-15(5): Standing Committee On Governance And Economic Development Report On The 2007-2008 Pre-budget Review Process

Motion That Committee Report 8-15(5) Be Deemed Read And Printed In Hansard In Its Entirety

Committee Report 8-15(5): Standing Committee On Governance And Economic Development Report On The 2007-2008 Pre-budget Review Process

Motion To Receive Committee Report 8-15(5) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Motion That Committee Report 9-15(5) Be Deemed Read And Printed In Hansard In Its Entirety

Committee Report 9-15(5): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The 2007-2008 Pre-budget Review Process

Motion To Receive Committee Report 9-15(5) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 86-15(5): E-mail From Constituent

Tabled Document 87-15(5): NWT Information And Privacy Commissioner 2005-2006 Annual Report

Tabled Document 88-15(5): Response To Petition 3-15(5)

Provisional Rule Changes To Implement Designated Budget Days

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Hon. Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Hon. Kevin Menicoche , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Ministers' statements. Honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Minister's Statement 61-15(5): Apprenticeship And Occupational Certification Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues. As this is Apprenticeship and Occupational Certification Week, I would like to celebrate our success in this area.

In the 2005-2006 school year, the Northwest Territories certified 20 people in designated occupations. Sixty-seven northerners achieved journey status, while another 41 journey-certified northerners achieved their red seal, inter-provincial certification.

---Applause

Throughout the week and into March, each regional career development centre will be hosting Apprenticeships and Occupational Certification Award ceremonies. Sixty-three awards of excellence will be presented to the candidates who have achieved the highest marks in their respective trade or occupation. I have sent congratulatory letters to the award winners on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories. I hope Members will join me in congratulating their constituents who have achieved these levels of excellence.

I would also like to recognize our many partners in trades and occupational certification, particularly the employers who participate in the program and without whom the program could not exist. The Apprenticeship Program is one of the most successful public/private/partnership programs in existence.

Mr. Speaker, given the potential for new jobs in the trades in our hot northern economy, I hope many more young people will choose to pursue a skilled trade after they graduate from high school. Those who do have tremendous opportunity for financial success and a fulfilling career.

---Applause

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Honourable Minister of ENR , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 62-15(5): NWT Barren-ground Caribou Summit

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, an historic meeting occurred in Inuvik from January 23rd to January 26th. This meeting was held to identify key actions that we can take over the next four years to help barren-ground caribou herds recover.

Leaders from the Northwest Territories wildlife co-management boards, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, northern Saskatchewan and Alberta communities attended the Northwest Territories Barren-Ground Caribou Summit. More than 180 delegates attended the gathering. This included elders, representatives from the tourism, oil and gas and mining sectors, as well as government agencies that have a role in managing the barren-ground caribou of the Northwest Territories.

Several MLAs were also in attendance. I would like to thank Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Braden , Mr. Hawkins , Mr. Pokiak and Mr. McLeod for their support and participation in the summit.

Mr. Speaker, for three days and nights, delegates spoke passionately about their desire to preserve this very important resource. This summit allowed people to share their experience and knowledge. Delegates told us that communities have noticed a difference in caribou numbers, which is supported by the results of surveys and information on calf survival and condition in recent years. I was very impressed with the spirit and willingness shown by all delegates to work together and put politics aside to help the herds recover.

Many delegates spoke of sacrifices they made in the past when caribou herd numbers were low, and they said sacrifices are again needed.

At the summit, delegates identified a number of key actions under these four themes: engaging partners, information for management, managing human activity, and addressing hardships.

The top priorities were:

• protect calving grounds in NWT and Nunavut;

• reduce all harvest;

• bring traditional knowledge into decision-making;

• bring youth into the conference;

• develop management plans for each herd;

• hold an aboriginal conference for harvesters;

• develop codes of conduct for harvest; and

• hold regional harvester conferences.

Many of these priorities are reflected under the NWT Barren-Ground Caribou Management Strategy, which formed the basis for discussion at the summit.

We will share the results from the summit with all partners and wildlife co-management boards in particular. These co-management boards, established under the land claim agreements, have the primary responsibility for wildlife management in their settlement areas.

We will also work with all partners to implement the following immediate actions:

• Meet with Nunavut to begin discussion about protecting calving grounds.

• Improve the way the department shares information on caribou.

• Stop posting data from satellite collars on the Internet.

• Continue implementing recommendations from wildlife co-management boards on harvest levels and seasons.

• Help communities and regions work with their neighbours to cooperate on management issues.

• Expand and improve public education about the status of herds and hunting ethics.

• Develop a closer working relationship with industry and share more information and collaborate on caribou and other wildlife monitoring.

I have appreciated the support from this Legislature in providing additional resources during the past two years to implement the NWT Barren-Ground Caribou Management Strategy. More resources will be needed for the next few years to implement priority actions from the Barren-Ground Caribou Summit and strategy.

I must also acknowledge the considerable support from the following funding partners for caribou management activities: Wildlife Management Advisory Council, NWT; Gwich'in Renewable Resources Board; Sahtu Renewable Resources Board; Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board; Indian and Northern Affairs Canada; Diavik Diamond Mines Incorporated; BHP Billiton Diamonds and World Wildlife Fund, Canada.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to commend the leaders who have taken to heart their stewardship role of this important resource for the people of the Northwest Territories; in particular, the wildlife co-management boards, which have made some very difficult decisions over the past two years, and the Tlicho Government, which held a special session on caribou with community members and elders last week.

I look forward to continuing to work with all partners to ensure that we have caribou forever. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 62-15(5): NWT Barren-ground Caribou Summit

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Underage Drinking And False Identification

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Merci, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak this morning about the issue of underage drinking in the NWT. It relates, Mr. Speaker, to problems that are arising from an unusual place, and that is the issuance of our temporary driver's licences.

It is well established that we are now going through a transition to a much more secure and up-to-date system of identification with our driver's licences. One of the consequences of this, Mr. Speaker, is that people are issued a temporary licence while the permanent one is being processed. It was brought to my attention by a constituent, Mr. Speaker, that the temporary licences which are issued are actually just a plain piece of paper with a photograph and some information on them.

It has been discovered by underage persons that these are very easy to tamper with and have become quite popular as proof of age at liquor establishments. I understand that this is even going down into other parts of Canada, in fact as far as Vancouver.

Our temporary driver licences have become an issue with this kind of underage drinking. So where I would like to seek some more information, and I will do that at the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, is are we aware of this problem? What are we doing to counteract it? Underage drinking, of course, is a very serious issue at every level of our society and in our communities. If there is something as inadvertent or unexpected as this may be, we still have to do something about this. As well, Mr.

Speaker, we are in the process of going through a revision to our Liquor Act, and I will want to make sure that these provisions are well addressed as we go through this anticipated piece of legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Process For Acquiring Canadian Passports

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, the rules regarding the requirement for passports have recently changed. This has put Canadians, including northerners, in the same position as everyone else planning to travel to the U.S. or abroad. I don't often travel out of Canada. I had an expired passport, so when the need for a passport presented itself recently, I inadvertently got caught up in the rush. I want to share my experience in the hope of helping northern constituents who find themselves needing a passport on short notice.

Through the persistence of my constituency assistant on the phone to the passport office, I found out that you can get a passport on 24 hours' notice. What you have to do to accomplish that may not be readily known to people. I travelled to Edmonton where I got a room in the Westin

Hotel, because it is right beside the Canada Place Building where the passport office is located on Jasper Avenue. We walked to the Canada Place Building around midnight. There on the window of the building was a sign saying, passport line forms here. There was no one around. We were tired. It was cold. So it seemed a little silly to stand there to secure first place in a non-existent line. So we went back to the hotel and set our alarm for 3:00 a.m., at which time Rick got up to go check the line.

---Laughter

Would you believe that by that time, at 3:00 a.m., there were already 25 people in the line? I don't know how long they had been there, but some of them were in sleeping bags sleeping on the sidewalk. So we hastily grabbed our canvas lawn chairs and got in the line. Between 3:00 and 6:00 a.m., when the doors opened to Canada Place, at least another 500 people had joined the line, behind us I am happy to say. When they opened the concourse at Canada Place at 6:00 a.m., the warm building was a great relief because it was about minus six out. I made the mistake of dozing off in my lawn chair.

Don't do that because a security guard on his rounds noticed this and shouted from a far distance, wake that woman up. She is not allowed to sleep in a federal building. I thought, well, good morning to you too, sir.

---Laughter

The passport office opened at 8:00 a.m. and we were out by 9:00 a.m. with a receipt to come back the next day at noon to pick up our passport. So, Mr. Speaker, there are some things to note. To get an expedited passport, you must bring all necessary documentation and proof of a paid for ticket to a foreign destination. You have to pay an extra $80. So altogether you need around $150. They do not care about your reason for travel. In other words, it does not have to...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mrs. Groenewegen , your time for Member's statement has expired.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Some people are under the impression that it needs to be a family or medical emergency. In fact, it does not have to be an emergency. You just have to have a paid for ticket as proof of the date of when you will travel. I have to tell you when you come back to pick up your passport, you don't have to stand in that long line again. You just go to a much shorter line and grab your passport.

So I just wanted people to know that, because there is a lot of misinformation out there. The Northwest Territories doesn't have a passport office that issues passports, so Edmonton is the nearest place if you need one in a hurry. And don't forget money, a lawn chair, and some warm clothes. You are going to be outside for awhile. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Safety Lights On Trucks

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about Highway No. 3. Last November, a vehicle carrying a family from Edzo ran into the back of a semi trailer which had stopped without warning on the road. Fortunately, nobody was killed, although there were serious injuries. It would be good if there was a light. Sometimes, it would be good to have flashing lights to make them visible from a great distance. Later on, I will ask the Minister that question, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

In November, there was a serious accident on Highway No. 3. A vehicle carrying a family from Edzo ran into the back of semi trailer which had stopped without warning on the road. There were no flashing lights. Visibility was poor at that time due to blowing snow, Mr. Speaker. Fortunately, no one was killed, although there were serious injuries. I am sure it was a very traumatic experience for the people involved. Blowing snow and other weather conditions that make it hard to see are common across the Northwest Territories.

This, combined with steady truck traffic, especially now when the winter road is opening for the mining companies, makes it very dangerous to travel on the Highway No. 3, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the accident I talked about in November was preventable. Maintenance vehicles like snowploughs have flashing lights to make them visible from a great distance. Why couldn't a large truck also be equipped with flashing rear signal lights to give following traffic more warning of turns and stops when visibility is low, Mr. Speaker? Mr. Speaker, new requirements for large trucks to use safety lights in poor visibility conditions will go a long way towards preventing these accidents.

I would urge the Minister of Transportation to look seriously at this suggestion and any other opportunities to improve the safety of the Highway No. 3 and other roads connected. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Responsibilities Of Corporations Involved In Resource Development

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Finance Minister indicated the great urgency and support to get the Mackenzie gas pipeline built. I have been in support in a qualified way of this project. Mr. Speaker, last year Exxon boasted all-time record profits: $39.5 billion, the most in history. They would tell us and have us believe that the project in the Northwest Territories with its vast reserves, still with oil at $60 a barrel, is marginal. They have told that to us, to the people that would listen.

They have made it sound like the federal government has to play a role to help them make this project a reality. Mr. Speaker, I am all for the federal government playing a role, but that role has to be clear: it has to be to help build the Mackenzie Valley

highway all the way up to Inuvik and to Tuk to assist in the development of the pipeline. I say...

---Applause

... an absolute and categorical no to any kind of corporate welfare for Exxon or Imperial Oil.

Mr. Speaker, we also have to recognize the doubling of the greenhouse gasses. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has released a recent report that makes it, to me, very clear that this is not a debatable issue. The North is heavily impacted, more than other parts of the country. It is very difficult for us to stand up and decry the impacts of climate change and global warming and all that it is doing to us if we are just going to let a project go ahead that is going to double our greenhouse gas emissions and have no kind of offsets planned. We have to come up with some way to do that.

The diamond mines are working with us to get hydropower to their facilities. Imperial Oil, as far as I know and can see, has turned a blind eye to the whole issue and would prefer to ignore it, but we cannot as inhabitants of this land. Today in the paper it reported Canada is in last place of all G8 countries in terms of doing anything in terms of meeting greenhouse gas emission reductions. We are part of Canada so we have to take, I think, a proactive step. Imperial Oil has to take a proactive step. We are doing lots of things with hydro and those other types of initiatives...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Miltenberger , your time for Members' statements has expired.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have to step up to the plate, as does Imperial, on what do we do to offset the doubling of our greenhouse gas emissions.

Finally, it is going to be time soon for Imperial Oil to make up its mind whether it wants to proceed with this project or not. If it does not want to proceed with this project, it should say so and step aside so that other arrangements could be made to get the gas and oil to market. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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2007 Northern Women's Leadership Conference

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this weekend, the Status of Women Council of the NWT and the Native Women's Association of the NWT will be hosting Joining the Circle 2007 Northern Women's Leadership Conference. This important gathering will bring women leaders and youth from all across the NWT and NGO groups to discuss and make recommendations to this government on present and future economic, political and social development in the Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the topics for presentations and workshops would include leadership, advocacy, economic security, social equality, public policy and human rights, just to mention a few. There will also be a mini-campaign school where participants of the conference could run for office and learn the mechanics of running a successful campaign.

Mr. Speaker, it is also my pleasure to inform you that the keynote speaker of the conference is here today with us. Rosemary Speirs is the past and founding chair of Equal Voice, a multi-partisan action group whose sole aim is to increase the number of elected women in all government levels and all jurisdictions across Canada.

Mr. Speaker, while Canada is an economically privileged member of the G8, we rank 46th in the world in terms of the number of elected women, right behind Singapore, Uganda and even Afghanistan. Mr. Speaker, I am confident that with the work of Equal Voice and this conference we will be able to make some progressive changes in that regard. I would also like to take this opportunity to urge the government and Members of this House to act on the recommendations and suggestions that will come out of the conference. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Seniors' Housing Programs

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to raise another issue related to seniors and seniors' housing and programs. I am aware that there is a senior citizens' Home Repair Program and the seniors and/or disabled preventative maintenance initiative and the elders on-the-land initiative, which are targeting the sectors of seniors who own their own houses in the communities. I am also aware that many seniors have taken advantage of these initiatives which require seniors to submit applications, go through the actions of getting approval, and this can take up to one or two months, or one or two years in the process, depending on who you are and who you know within the department.

Mr. Speaker, what I would like to raise, though, also includes seniors who own their own homes and those who have problems with furnaces burning out, water and sewer pipes freezing up, or electrical problems which could cause fires. All these types of problems require immediate attention, especially in the middle of winter. Many of the seniors cannot get assistance from the local LHOs due to the fact that they are not in a public housing unit and they cannot receive any immediate assistance from the Housing Corporation due to cumbersome timelines between applying and approval.

Later today, I will be asking the Minister responsible for housing what the department can provide to seniors in terms of immediate assistance, and I am talking one or two days, or seven days, five workings days, Mr. Speaker, for seniors who own their own homes and who have run into these minor but important problems which require

immediate attention; if they can get immediate assistance on a timely basis. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Best Wishes To Nunakput Residents

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I begin, I would like to send belated birthday greetings to my brother James Pokiak. The older brother, I would say, who had his birthday on February 7, 2007.

Mr. Speaker, over the last couple of years, a number of elders from Nunakput have been hospitalized for medical reasons. At this time I would like to wish a speedy recovery to Mr. Andy Carpenter, the former mayor of Sachs Harbour, who is now retired and is presently recovering in the Inuvik Regional Hospital; also, to his wife, Wendy Carpenter, who is also with him in the hospital. Many of us here know that Mr. Carpenter has been a long-term serving mayor of Sachs Harbour and has been a very strong advocate of the RCMP presence in Sachs, so, hopefully, he will be around in July when it happens, I guess. Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, another elder that is recovering and just returned back to Ulukhaktok is David Kuptana. I am glad that he is back in Ulukhaktok, because during the Caribou Summit there was information that he was medevaced to Edmonton, so I am glad to hear that he is back in Ulukhaktok.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize and congratulate a few people here that have accomplished certification: Anita Pokiak of Tuktoyaktuk, who is the community health representative, has done her CPR training. I wish her well. She can now do some CPR training in Tuktoyaktuk. Shirley Elias, who we saw in the gallery the other day, the community health worker in Ulukhaktok, congratulations to her on her recent training. Also, Roland Kikoak of Tuktoyaktuk, who got his certification in the environment monitoring program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Accuracy Of Caribou Population Estimates

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am going to talk about caribou. Firstly, I want to state for the record that I respect wholly the aboriginal harvest of this great resource and I would defend that as a fundamental right of our aboriginal people here in the Northwest Territories.

---Applause

Preservation of the herd is vital, Mr. Speaker, to everyone. So is the truth, Mr. Speaker. What I do take issue with is how, as an MLA, I have been treated by the Department of ENR and the poor communication that, in effect, has limited my ability to represent my constituents in my riding. I have two of the three major caribou outfitting businesses in my riding, True North Safaris and Adventure Northwest. On December 7th, the Governance and Economic Development committee sat down with the Minister and his staff to discuss caribou.

Their presentation that day was void of any mention of drastic cuts to tag allocation contained in a proposal that was, in effect, in the process of being delivered to the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board.

As we all know, the outfitting industry is in a fight for its very existence today. The most interesting theme throughout this fight is the fact that ENR has not, to date, publicly explained nor defended their assertions that the numbers are dropping like they say they are. As a Member of this House and someone who represents aboriginal harvesters, outfitters, and non-aboriginal harvesters, to me getting the numbers straight is paramount to taking any action to remedy the situation.

The question is, why? Why can't ENR defend the numbers when we're talking about the importance of caribou on the livelihood of so many people in our territory? Why is it that, as an MLA, if I can't get answers, how is the public supposed to get their questions answered? Why has ENR dodged the basic question of how many caribou were here in the Northwest Territories in 1980 and how many are here today?

According to their own website, Mr. Speaker, and information on it, in 1980: 65,000 Bluenose, 140,000 Bathurst, 110,000 Beverly, 39,000 Qamanirjuaq, for a total of 354,000. In 2006, again using only GNWT numbers: 2000 Cape Bathurst, 20,000 Bluenose West, 66,000 Bluenose East, 128,000 Bathurst, 200,000 Ahiak, 296,000 Beverly, 496,000 Qamanirjuaq, for a total of 1.2 million caribou. The number of 1.2 million is a number derived by adding up the current government estimates...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Ramsay , your time for Member's statement has expired.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The number of 1.2 million is a number derived from adding up the current government estimates of caribou herds in the NWT based on their own website. Mr. Speaker, if you add to that the number of 1.534 million, which is the number ENR gave to the federal government in 2005 for a surveyed base count on chronic wasting disease, Mr. Speaker, the numbers do not add up and ENR has not come to the table with explanations. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Obstructive Sleep Apnea

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 747

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I begin, I'd like to draw attention to the fact that today is Red Friday, a day Canadians are asked to don red to show support for members of the Canadian Forces, and I happen to be wearing red, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, obstructive sleep apnea, or OSA, is an all too common medical disorder caused by a blockage of the airway during sleep. People with untreated sleep apnea stop breathing repeatedly during their sleep, sometimes hundreds of times during the night and often for minutes or longer. Left untreated, OSA can cause high blood pressure and other cardiovascular diseases, memory problems, weight gain, depression, lethargy, and headaches. Poor sleep quality as a result of OSA may be a factor of many workplace and traffic accidents.

Over the last several years, the number of NWT residents requesting diagnosis and treatment for this service of sleep apnea has quadrupled, Mr. Speaker, from 40 in 2001 to 166 in 2005. Fortunately there are effective treatment options for OSA, but they come at a price. The CPAP and BiPAP machines commonly used to treat sleep apnea start at around $1,000. Patients also require assistance from home health care companies to set up the machine and provide training on use of the machine. While some employers and government health benefit packages do pick up the cost for this treatment, not everyone is covered by this program so we have many people who fall through the cracks.

Given the seriousness of this condition, Mr. Speaker, and the cost to both the patients and the health care system if it's left untreated, I believe it is critical that we need to ensure that everyone who needs sleep apnea treatment gets it. It's time that we start taking care of all of our citizens, Mr. Speaker. This is a serious condition that needs to be addressed.

Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions, at the appropriate time, for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Resource Revenue Sharing Agreement

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 748

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I actually had another statement I planned on doing today, but I changed my mind again. I see the need to continue to speak on the resource revenue devolution sharing that we're supposed to have with Ottawa, Mr. Speaker. The more thought that I give to this, the more that I feel that we are getting the wrong end of the stick and I think that it's time. And if I have to stand up here for the next two weeks and speak about it, then I will, because the message has to get to them that we need to get a deal and we need to get it done soon.

I see some numbers floating around, Mr. Speaker. Revenues from the gas projects over the next 25 years could generate $700 million a year in revenue or royalty. That's over 25 years. What's going to happen? Are we going to have to negotiate for the next 25 years and on the 26th year the government will say, oh, yeah, okay, you can have 100 percent? So we hire people to figure out what's 100 percent of nothing, because that's what we'll get after 26 years. The big money is when the gas starts flowing and we have the diamond mines going. We have another one opening. Mr.

Speaker, this is something, and I've heard someone say that we have to get our House in order. I believe that strongly. We have to get our House in order and be united because it's the only way we're going to get anything done. They keep pitting us against each other here while they continue to let the money flow to Ottawa. This, Mr. Speaker -- I said it yesterday and I'll say it again for the next two weeks -- is not acceptable. We should see that.

The responsibilities for our resources rest with DIAND. Again, we have the capability, I believe, now to look after and make our own decisions, look after our own resources. That comes with the devolution part of it. We can handle it. We can handle it, Mr. Speaker. We have the capability now.

What we need, Mr. Speaker, is we need leaders in the NWT to believe so strongly in something that they're not worried about their own future, but they're concerned with the future of their children, their grandchildren, and getting what's right. Mr. Speaker, getting what's right is keeping the resource money for the NWT, have it stay in the NWT and not always go to Ottawa. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Passing Of Danny A. Gordon

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to inform the House of the passing away of a well-respected elder in the community of Aklavik, Mr. Danny A. Gordon. Danny A. was born to the late Alex and Hope Gordon on Barter Island in Alaska on July 16, 1935. He relocated to Aklavik in 1944 with his parents and his family.

Everyone who came in contact with Danny A. knew the knowledge that he had of the cultural traditional lifestyle of the Inuit and Inuvialuit people. More importantly, being raised on the land that he travelled over many years, he passed this knowledge on to many people in the community, especially the young people, his grandchildren, his nephews. Then the opportunity he had to share this knowledge with people who asked for information, he felt freely to give it.

I think, also, Danny's contribution to the community of Aklavik was well known in regards to his performance as one of the Aklavik drum dancers and singers. He performed for many dignitaries throughout Canada, across North America and also internationally. I think it's knowing that Danny left us a better place by performing and sharing this information with us.

But more importantly, Danny took the time to teach the younger people of the songs, the dances of the Inuvialuit people that were going to be preserved for future generations. He always had fun teaching the young people and he made learning also fun and also to allow everyone to take a chance to learn. He also had an opportunity to perform here in the House. He will be missed by all. He has affected the lives of many people that have met him, especially the young people, the community of Aklavik, and his passing will be greatly lost by the people in Aklavik.

The funeral will take place in Aklavik on Saturday, February 10th. Mr. Speaker, my condolences go out to his wife, Annie B., and the family, and also his family members in Alaska and his relatives throughout the Mackenzie Delta and Beaufort Sea. In closing, Mr. Speaker...

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Paul Delorey

Mr. Krutko , your time for your Member's statement has expired.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, in closing I'd just like to say thank you very much, qujannamiik, mahsi cho, for the family for sharing such a wonderful husband, father, grandfather and, more importantly, friend. He has greatly shared himself by way of performing, sharing information, but, more importantly, leaving us in a better place than when he came. With that, I'd like to again send my condolences out to the family and wish everybody a safe trip. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

It gives me great pleasure to recognize a constituent of mine in the gallery today, Dawna O'Brien is with us. Dawna's here to take

part in the Status of Women's joint circle this weekend.

---Applause

Also with her -- I don't see her right now -- is Starla Hudson.

---Applause

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize in the gallery today my daughters: Candace Dawn Lafferty Villeneuve and Diedra Mabel Lucille Villeneuve. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize and welcome to the House Ms. Rosemary Speirs, who is a formal journalist, very well known and respected. She's also the recipient of the Governor General's Persons Case Award in 2005 and she's the past and founding chair of Equal Voice. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 749

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I also recognize Ms. Elaine Keenan-Bengts has joined us in the gallery today.

---Applause

Ms. Keenan-Bengts is the Protection of Privacy Commissioner.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 749

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Health and Social Services in regards to foster parents. The foster parents provide an invaluable service to Health and Social Services and to communities across the North. It's a service that would be very hard to duplicate and it's a service that, in reality, is inexpensive compared to other very high-end, high-cost services that we have to fund.

There was a review being done of foster care services, foster parent services, with an eye to try to standardize and rationalize and better reflect the cost of being a foster parent and to encourage and be able to retain foster parents. I'd like to ask the Minister of Health if he could update this House as to the status of that work, please. Thank you.

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Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 749

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member's correct; there was a review done working with the Foster Family Coalition of the NWT and the department was a part of that. We recognized, in fact, that the service they provide is an important one. The work was done in a number of areas. One, looking at standardizing rates across the NWT, as well as looking at what's the actual amount paid to foster families as a basic supplement. The Department of Health and Social Services has brought that forward as one of their new initiatives but, unfortunately, at this time it's not included in the budget that we have before us. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Supplementary To Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister if he could highlight some of the recommendations and results of that report. I'm not sure if the Social Programs committee or the Members on this side of the House have seen that report, but I'd like to ask the Minister if he could highlight some of the key findings and recommendations. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Roland .

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Further Return To Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 750

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there's three key areas that we're looking at and that could be brought in a number of phases, but until we get approval to proceed, at this time it's a plan that we'd like to see go forward, but we have to get the necessary funding. One is to look at standardizing what we consider the age of the child as they proceed or progress through a foster family process. The second is looking at the daily basis or rates that are needed.

In fact, for example, right now in the foster family situation as a foster family deals with a child they would deal with a worker who would categorize if the child needed special care and that would change the way the funding is flowed to that family. That's almost a case-by-case, an individual worker doing the definition of what is needed. We plan to standardize that and come up with one rate across the board. There's work that needs to continue to be done in this area. We feel it's important enough to have included in going forward. Hopefully we can see that addressed in the near future. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Question 279-15(5): Support For Foster Families

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 750

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to have the Minister clarify somewhat, if he could, the issue of rates. One standard rate would be very difficult, in my opinion. You'd need a range. There are regional differences, cost differences, care needs of the children are not all going to be the same. So I'd just like to ask the Minister if that kind of recognition is going to be built into the scale that is going to be brought forward as a way to better compensate foster parents. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, indeed we talk about a basic rate as where we'd start from, but we'd also look at, for example, the cost of living index is one of those things that would play a factor as it does in many of our programs that we already deliver on part of people across the North. Looking at our income support programs is one of those ways we can include it. So that has been incorporated into it, but what we find now is there's so many different ways out there. There's a need to come up with a basic amount, deal with some of the special needs areas and adjust it according to costs across the North. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Finally for the Minister, I would like to ask the Minister if the report has been shared with the Social Programs committee and, if it hasn't, would he be prepared to do that? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not aware if it's been shared with the committee and if it hasn't, I'll gladly provide it to them. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is in following up to the budget yesterday. I guess my questions could be answered by the Minister of Finance or Premier ; I'll leave it to them. I'm reflecting more on the budget. Yesterday I talked about it. It's something that we repeat all the time about the importance of the role and the need for the federal government to step up to the plate and we have made very successfully, for many years I think, a case for our economy, our numbers, our potential, our resources in the North, and the money that the federal government has started making, actually. We are almost taking as much as we're giving.

Another missing piece in the budget that I think is important that was not discussed as much, and there's no mention of that in this report, is the fact that we may not have unanimity or consensus within the leaders in the North to present a united front to lobby together. So I'd like to know why it is that there's no mention of that requirement in this budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Unanimity by northern leaders is certainly desirable and something we would want. At the same time, every leader has a right to represent the issues from their own perspective. Mr. Speaker, we don't have unanimity here when we bring this issue to Ottawa. I regret that we don't have that. I wish we did. We make a lot of effort to do it, but for various reasons, it doesn't happen.

Now, Mr. Speaker, we have taken this issue on directly with Ottawa ourselves through devolution and resource revenue sharing. We have also taken it on in cooperation with all of the Premiers across the country. First of all, with the Premiers' report, the Council of the Federation report and there was the O'Brien report. There was the federal report on fiscal imbalance. We have gone forward. I have attended probably five or six Premiers' meetings where we tried to get unanimity among all of the Premiers to have one position. That has proven to be impossible.

Mr. Speaker, I wish we could get that, but we can't. It has left us at a situation now where it is very much up to the federal government and the Prime Minister to make the decision. He has, in a recent speech this week, said that he was going to make that decision with regard to fiscal

imbalance and straightening out how that is right across the country, including us, in the upcoming federal budget. He was very clear in his statement of that. That includes both the formulas, or equalization in the case of the provinces, and also resource revenue sharing. So, Mr. Speaker, it is a national problem. It is an issue. I wish we had unanimity among all of the leaders, but there are a lot of different agendas at play. I have given up thinking that we will ever get to the point where we all agree. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I guess when I speak of unanimity, I don't mean all the leaders in the North agreeing to all of the finer points. I think leaders with common interests and common objectives and agreement on the bigger picture could agree to disagree on some of the finer points, but agree on some of the major ticket items so we can move our agenda forward. I am not specifically thinking about intergovernmental Premiers' agreement, I am just thinking about the in-house agreement among northern leaders.

I guess we could say we wish this could happen and that could happen, but we don't get marked on wishes. We get marked on results. I am concerned about something that I hear all the time from aboriginal leaders in the North, which is that the communication is not clear, aboriginal leaders are not at the table. I think we are not going to get a result unless we do something about this. I would like to know if the Premier could tell us what the latest is on that, on his effort to bring all of the leaders together, aboriginal leaders in the North. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The last face-to-face meeting I had with all of the regional aboriginal leaders and our government was on December 5th. At that time, we had agreement on principles. This is a statement of principles by all of the leaders who were present. One of the leaders, the Akaitcho, said he wanted to take it back to his elders and get more consultation before he would confirm, but at the table he said, no, these look fine to me. The only other regional leader who was not there, or the region that was not represented, was the Deh Cho.

They were fairly clear to me that they felt that they would prefer to work on their own process. But the other leaders, from the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu, were onside. Sorry, Mr. Speaker, but I should also say that the Tlicho leaders were not there either, although MLA Jackson attended the meeting but not representing them. So we had two who were not there and couldn't confirm. We are now, Mr. Speaker, going through a process of holding workshops in every region, at the request of the aboriginal leaders, to help the leaders at the community level and in the region to better understand this.

That is where we are at. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On that basis then, we have the Premier of this government and all past governments have worked on getting support from Premiers on economic reports, academia. I think there is a sense or we need to at the latter part of any Assembly that you want to get things done. Is the Premier saying that he is working on the premise that he has enough support from the aboriginal leaders to push for that AIP on resource revenue sharing that he mentioned I think in this House about his hope, or in the media perhaps, that he has hoped that he will have an AIP signed in the next month or so? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amongst the leaders who were at the December 5th meeting, there was agreement that we would work toward an agreement-in-principle for the end of March. I had those same discussions earlier this week with Minister Prentice. He again indicated a willingness to work with us on it. He realizes there are some outstanding issues bilaterally between ourselves and the federal government that have to be resolved. We are going through negotiations on those. There may be some issues to be resolved yet from the aboriginal leaders, but everybody is willing to work toward that end of March deadline.

There is nothing magical about it, but I do want to move this one step ahead. After 20 years, we need to move to an agreement-in-principle during the life of this government. I am going to continue to stay focussed on that one. Yes, I believe we have enough leader support right now to continue on with that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that it is the wish of all of us, to see that sort of movement by the end of March. Mr. Speaker, I am wondering, I understand the difficulty of coming with everybody agreeing to everything in the North, but on the basis of what he has gotten out of that December 5th meeting and understanding that lots of...

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Thank you. ...that there is a communication problem and participation program, what measure is the Premier taking to communicate as much as possible step by step on what progress he is making? We, the Members on this side, are not even aware of step-by-step communication content. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I will be glad to meet with the Members at any time to answer questions or meet in committee or whatever to give you the step-by-step, if you want it week by week, update on where we are at. With aboriginal leaders, our staff in the devolution office is doing the regional workshops as we speak. They met yesterday with the Tlicho. They met last week with the Sahtu and the South Slave Metis. So, Mr. Speaker, we are doing as much as we can here. Certainly, I will be ready to answer any questions and update people.

Mr. Speaker, just by way of update, the last discussion I had with Minister Prentice was focussed on having a meeting about March 10th as the next meeting on this with the Minister of DIAND. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are for Mr. Roland as the Minister of Finance and the agency or the department responsible for the sale and administration of liquor in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, as I referred to in my statement, it was recently brought to my attention that we were having some problems controlling the sale of liquor to under-aged people who were attempting to buy it. I and a few other Members of the Assembly will perhaps remember how creative we might have been when we were at that stage too, and the efforts that I tried were never successful.

However, it seems that something may have happened inadvertently with the issuance of temporary driver's licences in that they are very easy to tamper with or forge and are being accepted at liquor outlets. Is the Liquor Commission aware of the problem of underage persons altering temporary driver's licences as proof of age? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this issue was raised with the department as well as the Liquor Commission and, in fact, have become aware that these temporary licences are being used in that manner. So we have taken the necessary steps to ensure that this does not proceed. In fact, temporary licences will no longer be used as proof of identification when they go to our liquor establishments. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just recently in this Assembly, we passed some very stringent controls on the sale and access to tobacco products; however, it seems that we have not got nearly those kind of controls or regulations on the sale of liquor. Arguably, liquor is a much more damaging and dangerous controlled substance than tobacco. What controls, Mr. Speaker, are in place to monitor the actions of liquor stores with regard to purchases by underage customers?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the side of the companies that contract with us for the sale of our liquor products, there are processes through our contracting arrangements to deal with that. The bigger issue, I guess, is in the existing Liquor Act there is no real penalty for anyone who would alter an identification piece that they would provide as proof of identification. That is one of the other areas that we have to look into. In fact, as we are in the rewrite of our Liquor Act now, that is something that we can look to incorporating and strengthening within that process. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

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Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. What kind of conditions are in place with the contractors who operate our liquor stores, Mr. Speaker, to be aware of persons who are underage and attempting to purchase booze? Are there training programs? Are there monitors? Are we checking into this? What are the consequences for this? What are the consequences for stores, for liquor outlets, not being on their game when it comes to watching out for this kind of thing? Are there any consequences for those contractors, Mr. Speaker?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the areas of training for staff within the stores is something that does happen. In discussions with the Liquor Commission, we have, in fact, requested that this be stepped up. As well, the requirement now is that not only if a person comes to the till and asks or goes to purchase a product, at that point it was up to the staff to request a piece of identification if they felt someone was under the age of 19. We have now requested that anybody who appears to be under the age of 25 will be requested to show identification. We are taking some of those steps at this time to try and reduce the risk of underage purchases happening. Thank you.

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Question 282-15(5): Housing Programs For Seniors

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to ask some questions to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation about some of the seniors' programs, or seniors' programs that are just not available, I guess, and if you would consider making it a program for seniors; some kind of a program that is responsive and simple for seniors to use. Like maybe a seniors'

emergency hotline or something similar to that nature. Mr. Speaker, I am getting a lot of inquiries from seniors who just need a furnace repaired or a nozzle changed and they don't have plumbers in every community or electricians available immediately or any qualified maintenance people in the small remote centres that can do the job tomorrow, or today, or next week. Therefore, there are delays and they have to move in with family members.

Is there any appetite for the Housing Corporation to develop a program where they can respond to a senior who owns their own home but doesn't qualify for any emergency repair program, the seniors' maintenance program? Are there any options for seniors to use in the Housing Corporation list of programs that they have that they can alleviate all these small, minor problems, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the Housing Corporation has been reviewing its programs and its services. As I have told Members in committee, we are simplifying the programs to make it much easier for everybody to apply for assistance on home repairs or remediation. We are going to have one program so it's very simple for everybody to be able to apply. That will be the first step, because we have such a list of different programs that people didn't understand it.

Second is we want to work more closely with the local housing organizations, who are responsible for public housing units, for them to be able to assist, or work, or facilitate repairs on homeownership units, where people have their own unit.

Mr. Speaker, I don't know if we could ever get it down to a few days in small, remote communities because every situation is a little different. We don't want to put a woodstove, for example, in a house that isn't designed for it. It could be a firetrap if we do that. So some of them will take a little bit longer and every situation is different. Where we can, we will respond quickly where we need to. It may take a bit longer for safety reasons or other reasons. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was at the committee meeting where they did brief us on the consolidation of all these programs to make it more accessible. During that briefing I didn't hear or see anything related to any program review or changes that are going to make these programs more responsive.

I am just wondering if the Minister would entertain the thought of maybe having the district offices having some qualified plumbers and electricians readily available to go out and make these minor repairs for seniors who own their own homes and are stuck with other family members due to the fact that they just don't have qualified staff in the community. I know we have a Public Works department, we have a revitalization of this Apprenticeship and Occupational Certification Program and we're getting more apprentices in government.

So can we entertain the thought of having qualified staff at the district level who can jump on a plane today and go and fix their furnace tomorrow and be done with it?

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The direction this government took years ago was to try to do the maintenance, the repair work and so on, using private companies, private entrepreneurs, in order to build up that level of expertise in the communities where we wouldn't have to rely on flying people in to do a minor repair on a furnace, for example, at great cost.

If that is not working, then I am prepared to look at having some people who would be tradespeople at the regional levels or wherever, to be able to do what the Member is talking about, because it is important that we not have somebody out there with a faulty furnace that goes on for weeks because we can't get a repairperson to come and do it because they're busy with all the other economic activity in the Territories. Mr. Speaker, I'm ready to look at it. I can't make a commitment on it.

It may not be feasible, but we have to respond quickly to repairs, particularly those that involve safety and the comfort of seniors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is good to hear that it is going to be seriously considered. I know a lot of the economic activity that the Member did point out really ties up a lot of qualified staff at the district level, not to mention at the community level where it is very, very limited. I know feasibility is always a big question, but I am also aware that many of these seniors' programs that are available for NWT senior citizens are not all...The funds are not diminished all year. Sometimes there is leftover funding, like in the Seniors' Home Repair Program or the Emergency Repair Program.

I am just wondering if maybe the corporation could consider just moving the monies around and possibly with the hiring of apprentices and journeymen certificate carpenters to have them available at the district level and using that money to subsidize their wages, travel or anything like that. Is that a possibility? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the Housing Corporation already moves money around if it has to at the end of the year, in particular, for surplus. We don't want to be holding back in one region because they ran out of money while another has a lot. Mr. Speaker, we are working on plans for increasing apprenticeship, as well. So we have that expertise. As the Member noted, it is our heated up economy that does take a lot of the tradespeople out of the regions and makes it very difficult.

Mr. Speaker, I do want to respond to one comment by the Minister in his Member's statement this morning and that is it depends on who you know and how fast you get service. I would like to say, that is not, absolutely not, part of our way of doing business and if that ever happens, then I want to know about it. It does not matter who you are, where you are, everyone is entitled to equal service. The president, his staff and myself will make sure that happens. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't want to get off the topic of seniors with respect to who you know, but unfortunately it does happen and it does come to my attention that a lot of issues get sidelined and others get the attention that they require. That's something that is unavoidable here in the NWT, I guess.

With respect to funding arrangements, I know that the Housing Corporation does move around money and the Apprenticeship Program is actually starting to move forward again and it's going under review. I know the Apprenticeship and Occupational Certification Program is under review right now with the Labour Code applications and stuff like that. So when they are doing this review, can they include this option of providing the Housing Corporation with qualified staff and taking them under the wing of the Apprenticeship and Occupational Certification Program?

Is that a possibility before this review actually goes forward? I know there is going to be some community input and that's going to be included in a lot of information that is going to be coming out of the community level. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, first of all, Mr. Speaker, I want to apologize to the Member. I referred to him as Minister in my last statement. I didn't mean to offend him.

---Laughter

No offence meant there. Mr. Speaker, certainly as we review the Apprenticeship Program and other programs for training, then, yes, we will be looking at people who are interested, people who are qualified, people who want to take up certification in trades. Hopefully we have some good people in the Housing Corporation and other regions who would take this up. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 283-15(5): Safety Lights On Trucks

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, earlier today in my Member's statement about the accident on Highway No. 3 last November due to poor visibility conditions, I am talking on behalf of other Members and also to the residents of the Northwest Territories. A lot of the people using the road are from Gameti, Whati, since the road is leading to their communities. Every day they travel on Highway No. 3. That's why I want to ask the Minister of Transportation , Mr. Speaker...(Translation ends)

...the Honourable Mr. Menicoche , would the Minister consider requiring transport trucks using NWT highways be equipped with flashing rear safety lights for the safety of people travelling on Highway No. 3? Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member's questions about safety considerations with respect to large commercial vehicles on the highway and blowing snow, I will just take this opportunity to say drivers should always remember to drive to the conditions of the road. Drivers must always slow down and pay extra attention when the visibility is poor. However, we are looking at some legislative changes to our Motor Vehicles Act. Some of the private legislative proposals are to have clean and clear taillights as commercial vehicles do travel down our highways. It has been in consideration for a couple of years now.

I believe the Member is asking for additional safety lights, Mr. Speaker. Adding extra equipment may be beyond the scope of our government as it may be a National Safety Code requirement and getting manufacturers to install additional lights on their vehicles. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am looking forward to the plan that the department is working on changes to the legislation. However, I would like to ask another question of the Minister. Has the Minister identified any other measures that could prevent accidents involving transport trucks in blowing snow or other poor visibility conditions on Highway No. 3?

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The legislative changes are designed to look at that for the commercial vehicles to slow down or actually check their vehicles on a periodic basis to make sure their lights are clear from snow and mud build-up. This is one of the ways we are doing it. Currently, the Member is right; there is no specific pieces of legislation that requires them to remove the snow and ice on a periodic basis. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if he would agree to review the conditions that lead to last November's accident on

Highway No. 3 and report back to this House on the measures he will take to improve safety and prevent future accidents. Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind the Minister that there was an accident last week again. How many more accidents are we waiting for to get a report? Mahsi.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can work with the Member and look at the number of accidents that are happening on our highway, particularly the

section he's talking about, to see if there is definitely a trend that is occurring on this section. Mahsi.

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Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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