Debates of Jan. 26th, 1998

This is page numbers 299 - 332 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Pay Equity

Breast Cancer Screening

Consumer Scam Awareness Campaign

Tuktoyaktuk/inuvik Highway Committee Report

Overcrowding In Pelly Bay's Kugaardjuq School

Gwich'in Renewable Resource Board Traditional Knowledge Project

Gwich'in Renewable Resource Board Traditional Knowledge Project

Passing Of Leelee Qarpik

Private Meetings With Bank Officials

Yellowknife Mine Layoffs

Internet Service In Smaller Communities

Family Planning

Diamond Sorting And Valuation

Northern Nursing Program Graduation Ceremonies

Privatization Of The Petroleum Products Division

Return To Oral Questions 75-13(5): Transparency In Public/private Partnerships

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Privatization Of Petroleum Products Report

Pelly Bay School Overcrowding

Proposed Amendments To The Public Service Act

Future Baffin Polar Bear Studies

GNWT Office Leases

Addressing Keewatin Health Care Issues

Pay Equity Negotiations

Funding Formula For Breast Cancer Screening

Responsibility For Departmental Performance

Timeframe For Pay Equity Resolution

Cost Of Baby Medevac For Transplant

Mammogram Machine For Stanton Hospital

Strategy For Family Planning

Nav Canada Fee Increases

Mobile Breast Cancer Screening

Reply 1-13(5): Mr. Miltenberger's Reply

Reply 2-13(5): Mr. Roland's Reply

Reply 3-13(5): Mr. Henry's Reply

Reply 4-13(5): Mr. Picco's Reply

Reply 5-13(5): Mr. Steen's Reply

Tabled Document 17-13(5): Government Of The Northwest Territories Business Plans 1998-99 To 2000-01

Tabled Document 18-13(5): Formula Financing Agreement, April 1/95 - March 31/99

Tabled Document 19-13(5): Guidelines For Implementing Public/private Partnerships

Tabled Document 20-13(5): Tuktoyaktuk/inuvik All-weather Highway: Alternatives For Funding And Construction

Referral Of Tabled Document 19-13(5) Guidelines For Implementing Public/private Partnerships To Committee Of The Whole

Referral Of Tabled Document 15-13(5) Budget Speech To Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 21-13(5): Pay Equity

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement to make.

Mr. Speaker, the Union of Northern Workers and the government have had mediated talks for the past few months in regard to pay equity. Unfortunately, the mediator has decided to end the talks with the common consent of all parties.

Mr. Speaker, while this news is disappointing and the differences between the two parties remain substantial, I would hope that it provides an opportunity for reflection and realism as we embark on collective bargaining negotiations, scheduled from February 2nd through February 6th. In these negotiations, a wide variety of issues will be addressed, including pay equity, both from a retroactive and a prospective approach with the implementation of a new job evaluation system.

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in last week's budget speech, this government, with the help and support of our residents, has been able to achieve a balanced budget and lay the groundwork for economic progress and growth. This is a major accomplishment for which we should all be proud, but even though our future is bright, our fiscal situation is still fragile.

Mr. Speaker, this government believes firmly and unequivocally in the principle of equal pay for work of equal value. I have expressed this position on behalf of the government on many occasions. The issue of pay equity has been with us for ten years and the residents of the Northwest Territories have a reasonable expectation that we will come to a successful resolution.

In our view this can be done through negotiations. As Minister of Finance , I have continually stated our commitment to a negotiated settlement that is fair to all concerned, that is affordable and that creates for the future a new job evaluation system which is bias free.

I call upon the UNW to join with me in a common endeavour to protect jobs, ensure service levels are not further reduced and commit ourselves to respond to the concerns and needs of the people of the north. As you all are aware, we in the north live in an environment whose priorities are unique. In this context and in our choices, both government and employees must be realistic and responsible. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 21-13(5): Pay Equity

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 22-13(5): Breast Cancer Screening

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the past two years, there have been many questions raised in this House on breast cancer. Today I would like to provide an overview of the extensive work we are doing to address this problem.

In addition to the funding already in place, Cabinet recently approved a Strategic Investment Fund for boards. This funding could be used to implement critical public health programs, including breast cancer screening. Successful screening is based on regular breast self-examination, annual clinical examination and screening mammography for key age groups. Information and teaching on breast self-examination and clinical breast examination is part of the well-women

health programming across the north. A module dealing with this has been part of the Advanced Nursing Skills Program for the past decade.

In 1995, the Department of Health and Social Services issued a set of interim guidelines to help health boards and medical clinics to focus screening services. The guidelines identify ways to improve access for women in the key risk group - ages 50 to 65 for which mammography screening is shown to have the greatest benefit. During the past year, the NWT Working Group on Breast Cancer reviewed and revised these guidelines. The department distributed these guidelines to all boards in December, 1997.

Each board will identify issues, related costs and specific actions that need to be examined to ensure that all NWT residents have access to quality breast cancer screening services. The department will provide support to each board in their efforts to establish a cancer screening service best suited to its geographic and cultural situation.

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Minister's Statement 22-13(5): Breast Cancer Screening

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 23-13(5): Consumer Scam Awareness Campaign

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, last September I represented this government at a conference of federal, provincial and territorial Ministers responsible for Consumer Affairs. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has the following consumer affairs responsibilities: consumer protection, lottery licensing, real estate licensing and business licensing.

Mr. Speaker, I am quite concerned about the many problems facing northern consumers. Mail and telemarketing fraud is increasing and finding its way into our homes. These crimes are targeted to our elders and many others who do not understand the wording of contracts. In the north, we have always prided ourselves on friendliness and openness. Sadly, our friendliness can be abused and replaced with the experience of being cheated, which is the business of some of these telemarketers.

In 1994, our government signed an agreement on internal trade with other jurisdictions. Many initiatives resulted from this agreement, one of which was the creation of a National Consumer Measures Committee, which oversees the development and implementation of programs in various consumer related areas. The Government of the Northwest Territories is a member of this committee and we continue to contribute and work with our partners in areas of consumer protection. Mr. Speaker through the sharing of resources we have developed the CANSHARE system.

This is a computer data base that allows tracking of telemarketing complaints between jurisdictions. It also provides a way to quickly notify jurisdictions of problem areas by issuing consumer alerts to consumer protection agencies across Canada. This is a significant advantage for a small jurisdiction like ours. We simply would never have sufficient resources to track down and identify all of the scam artists who are operating in the NWT because most of them operate from southern provinces.

With CANSHARE we will be able to access and use the data bases of other provinces to help track and identify these illegal operators. As a result, we will provide better consumer protection advice to northerners.

Mr. Speaker, we have also been collaborating with our federal and provincial partners in drafting a Joint Enforcement Agreement which allows jurisdictions to share information and resources while enforcing our consumer protection laws. I cannot stress the fact that the best line of defence against mail and telemarketing fraud is public awareness. Media campaigns dealing with loan brokers and telemarketers, along with a consumer handbook, are new initiatives underway in our fight against consumer fraud.

We are partners in a National Consumer Awareness Campaign. Closer to home, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is developing new partnerships with other territorial agencies and organizations to combat these activities.

Today I am pleased to announce that such a partnership has been established. My department, along with members of the RCMP, the NWT Association of Municipalities, the Yellowknife Seniors Association, the NWT Seniors Association and the NWT Chamber of Commerce have formed a task force to develop and implement a Consumer Scam Awareness Campaign. Through this partnership, we hope to protect the interests of all our northern consumers. I look forward to providing more details on this awareness campaign in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 23-13(5): Consumer Scam Awareness Campaign

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 79-13(5): Tuktoyaktuk/inuvik Highway Committee Report

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will be tabling a document entitled the Tuk/Inuvik Highway Study, which was jointly sponsored by the Hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk and the Town of Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, both of

these municipal organizations have put a considerable amount of time and effort in producing this report. Funding to cover costs of retaining an engineering firm to undertake the study was obtained from the Department of Transportation and the municipalities concerned.

Mr. Speaker, in

summary this document is a feasibility study on the costs of constructing a service road between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk rather than a full scale all-weather highway. It is hoped the service road would be up-graded to all-weather highway status at a later time.

In the opinion of the engineering firm, Ferguson Simek Clark, who were retained to undertake the study; it would be possible to construct an all-weather service road from Tuktoyaktuk to Inuvik for approximately one quarter of the cost identified by previous studies. As an example, the GNWT Department of Transportation estimated it would cost in the nature of $160 million to construct an all-weather highway between Tuktoyaktuk and Inuvik. Comparably, the Tuk/Inuvik Highway Committee Study estimates the cost of constructing an all-weather service road at approximately $40 million.

The major cost factor difference between the two quotes to complete this project is the route proposed and the class of highway to be constructed. Mr. Speaker, the study has the backing of the well known and highly qualified engineering firm, Ferguson Simek Clark, whose engineers took the trouble to actually view first hand the route and the potential quarry sites along the route.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to recognize the efforts of members of the Tuk/Inuvik Highway Committee who worked hard to bring this report forward with the hope this government will consider funding this project in the near future. In particular, I wish to recognize the deputy mayor of Tuktoyaktuk, Mr. William Nasogaluak, and the Major of Inuvik, Mr. George Roach, past town counsellor, Mr. Eddy Kolousok. These people co-chaired the Tuk/Inuvik Highway Committee and were instrumental in pursuing the completion of this study.

The Mayor of Tuk, Eddy Dillon, and hamlet counsellors, Russell Newmark and Mervin Gruben, and Inuvik town councillor, Vivian Hunter, were also members of this committee, and I would like to recognize their efforts as well. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude this statement.

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Member's Statement 79-13(5): Tuktoyaktuk/inuvik Highway Committee Report

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to complete his statement. Are there any nays? Mr. Steen , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 79-13(5): Tuktoyaktuk/inuvik Highway Committee Report

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, my honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I should mention here that both the Premier , the Honourable Don Morin , and the Minister of Transportation , the Honourable Jim Antoine , were presented with copies of this report during their recent visit to Tuktoyaktuk in November of this past year. I believe both Mr. Morin and Mr. Antoine were impressed with the professionalism of the report and the determination of the people involved to see the project through.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize my honourable colleague from Inuvik, Mr. Roland , for his support on this project. I hope the rest of my honourable colleagues in this House will indicate their support for the funding of this most worthwhile project which, in effect, would serve as the missing link connecting the Dempster Highway to the Arctic Ocean. Mr. Speaker, we believe the completion of the Dempster Highway to the Arctic Ocean would benefit all residents of the NWT and Canada as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 79-13(5): Tuktoyaktuk/inuvik Highway Committee Report

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 80-13(5): Overcrowding In Pelly Bay's Kugaardjuq School

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the Christmas holidays, I had the opportunity to tour the Kugaardjuq School. I had the opportunity to have a discussion with the principal at that school, and he indicated to me, and I was there when I say the interior of the building had a serious need for space. There is already over-crowding, within the Kugaardjuq School in Pelly Bay. We do not have the proper space facilities to do many programs in the community that are delivered within the policy of this government. They are using the shop for Agetamik programs.

They are using the kitchen for the library, on top of that the senior one class is having their regular classes in the ecology centre in that community. Normally, it should be done in the school. We are expecting 25 more kindergarteners to be recruited this coming year. On top of that, there may be other preschoolers that may need a space in the classroom. I think we have a serious problem, and this serious problem, Mr. Speaker, deserves serious consideration by this government. At the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Education a question. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 80-13(5): Overcrowding In Pelly Bay's Kugaardjuq School

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 81-13(5): Gwich'in Renewable Resource Board Traditional Knowledge Project

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the Gwich'in Renewable Resources Board on the completion of the traditional knowledge book, Gwich'in Words About the Land. Mr. Speaker, for aboriginal people the importance of our land does not mean the ground that supports our feet. Our land includes all beings and elements. The Gwich'in Renewable Resources Board encompassed these aspects in its comprehensive project on a traditional knowledge of 22 wildlife and fish species used by the Gwich'in people.

With the commitment of the elders and the board, it took two years compile and finish this project. Their dedication reaffirms the importance of the collection and use of traditional knowledge of renewable resources management. Robert Charlie, chair of the board, has provided copies of the book for the Government Leader , the Speaker, the Minister of

Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and other Ministers. If any Member would like a copy of the book, please contact myself or the board. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 81-13(5): Gwich'in Renewable Resource Board Traditional Knowledge Project

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements, Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 82-13(5): Gwich'in Renewable Resource Board Traditional Knowledge Project

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to congratulate the Gwich'in Renewable Resources Board and the elders of the Mackenzie Delta area on successful production of their traditional knowledge book. The board has

shown that it can be done in the area of collection and use of traditional knowledge. The Gwich'in Renewable Resources Board was recently selected as a successful example of how traditional knowledge can be used in renewable resources management at an international workshop on traditional knowledge in Spain. This government has had several problems and concerns from the public on traditional knowledge.

I would like to recommend that the Minister of Renewable Resources and Economic Development, which is the lead agency for the collection and use of traditional knowledge in the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , ensures that the government continue to provide support and finances to these groups and organizations that can actively collect and use the traditional knowledge of our elders. In concluding by reading a quote from a Gwich'in elder, "Passing our knowledge about the land and animals to our children is the best gift that we can have given to them." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 83-13(5): Passing Of Leelee Qarpik

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to send my condolences to the Qarpik family in Pangnirtung. Leelee, the son of Joanasie and Ida Qarpik, died tragically last Friday, as a result of a skidooing accident in Pangnirtung. Mr. Speaker, the municipality of Pangnirtung is a small close knit community. Leelee Qarpik will be missed. Again, I would like to send my prayers and condolences to the Qarpik family. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 83-13(5): Passing Of Leelee Qarpik

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements, Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 84-13(5): Private Meetings With Bank Officials

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week we had occasion to have a number of banking officials and high power business people in the Legislative Assembly for the Budget Address. The MLAs were informed that after the Finance Minister 's address we would have a break in order to meet and socialize with these bankers and business people, who would likely be involved in the Public/Private Partnership detailed in the budget. The MLAs and those in the gallery would enjoy this opportunity to speak with the power brokers.

Imagine the surprise of the MLAs and ordinary folk in the gallery when we left for the Great Hall with no one in sight from the banking community, the business community or the Finance Minister himself. Several MLAs and members of the public determined that there was a private meeting in the upstairs meeting room. When we attempted to join the meeting, we were advised that it was private. My way was blocked by the Minister's staff and one of his hired consultants. So we were left to socialize amongst ourselves in the Great Hall. Strange things are done in the land of the midnight sun, Mr. Speaker.

I never did get a chance to meet these so-called bankers, and a leading local banker is quite furious because he was not even made aware of this meeting, and yet he is one of the ones, or his bank, who will ultimately have to deal with this issue. To me, the emotional debate in the House following the public/private reception was symbolism at its finest. You see, we extra-ordinary Members on this side of the House are partners in consensus government.

We were not given access to those who are going to be players in the $200 million Public/Private Partnership, and that was what the great shrimp and kool aid debate was all about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Member's Statement 85-13(5): Yellowknife Mine Layoffs

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, the history of the north is filled with people working together and helping others in times of need. In fact, much of our culture is based on our sense of community and on our reliance on each other in order to survive. I believe that as a community, Yellowknife must now, more than ever, embrace the rich northern tradition of relying on each other. Yellowknife has taken its fair share of hard knocks in the past few months.

The decrease in gold prices has hit the city hard, as it has resulted in layoffs at Giant Mine and Con Mine, and it is having an economic impact on individuals and businesses with ties to the mining industry. Mr. Speaker, the recent layoffs at local mines represent more than just a job loss for individual families. There is also a loss to our community, as a whole, as these workers and their families are valuable not only for their economic contributions, but also for their contributions to the quality of life in our community.

Therefore, I believe that it is vital we do all we can to help keep these skilled workers and their families in the north. Mr. Speaker, as a Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , I have asked Mayor Dave Lovell and city council to give serious consideration to the proposal put forward by some of the mine employees who live on mine property to ensure they can keep their homes. I have also spoken and written to the Honourable Manitok Thompson asking that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs cooperate with the city in this process. Mr. Speaker, I have also written to Yellowknife bank

managers to ask them to take into account the circumstances faced by these laid off workers. I have urged them to consider each individual situation and to exercise as much flexibility as possible. As well, Mr. Speaker, I pledge to do whatever I can, as a community resident, as well as in my position as the Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , to help support and keep these skilled workers and their families in our community and plan for brighter days ahead. I urge every other resident of Yellowknife to also help in any way they can. Mr.

Speaker, while there is nothing we can do as a community to make the price of gold rise - although I must say, that the news this morning was positive - we can look to and get ready for future opportunities in the resource development sector. Mr. Speaker, by pulling together, we can help these individuals and make a difference in our community and in doing so, prove yet again that when the going gets tough, northerners stick together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 85-13(5): Yellowknife Mine Layoffs

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 86-13(5): Internet Service In Smaller Communities

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the course of this Assembly, myself along with a number of my colleagues have expressed our concerns over the lack of Internet service for the important knowledge that is not available within a number of our smaller communities. Today we live in an age where, if located south of the border or in Yellowknife, a person can sit on a beach, take a walk around town or be in a car. You can still be contacted by the outside world.

With today's technology you can even be on-line with the Internet doing the task I mentioned; but still in the communities a person does not have the pleasure of cellular phones. I have a cellular phone to ensure that I keep in contact with my constituents. However, as soon as I go outside the 35-kilometre radius of Yellowknife, I lose my signal and I cannot communicate until I am back in this area. In Rae-Edzo, the largest Dene community of the Northwest Territories, we cannot communicate by cellular phones.

The reason for this, I understand, is because NorthwesTel does not feel it necessary to install the needed equipment. We are no different than any other community. We all want the ability to communicate with our neighbours and the world, just like the rest of the world can. The worst of it is a safety factor. It has been proven countless times that people with a cellular phone can react to emergency calls faster than the people without. Every year we have a number of accidents on our highway.

If you are outside the 35 kilometre range of Yellowknife, it takes at least 30 or 40 minutes of life saving time to get in touch with the RCMP or ambulance services. I hope by bringing this forward, NorthwesTel can see the need to move towards the 21st century. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 86-13(5): Internet Service In Smaller Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 303

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 87-13(5): Family Planning

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, previously in this House, I have raised the concern of family planning. This past summer in Pangnirtung, the Baffin leaders passed a motion to the effect that we would address the topic at our next meeting, later this year. This subject, by its very nature, is very sensitive and should be addressed with much care. My concern, Mr. Speaker, is that the government has no family planning or awareness programs. Again, this is left to the discretion of individual boards of health to implement. I do not think that this is acceptable.

In the Nunavut region as mentioned by the Baffin leaders, we have and are experiencing a baby boom. Most people are being born to younger mothers and this has increased pressure on the social envelope. The government should implement a territorial-wide family planning awareness campaign and provide extra resources to communities and boards of health to address this need. Mr. Speaker, it is a sensitive issue and a serious one. The GNWT should take the lead in this area and demonstrate by way of a plan of action that it takes the matter seriously.

Our health care professionals have repeatedly mentioned the increased birth rates and what it means down the road. I will not get into statistics, like a birth rate of 23.4 per thousand. That is the highest in the western world, but it illustrates the depth of the concern. Mr. Speaker, later today, I will ask the Minister of Health questions on this matter.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 88-13(5): Diamond Sorting And Valuation

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On January 22nd, CBC Radio interviewed Mr. David Cohen, a third generation expert on diamonds. I listened with interest as Mr. Cohen endorsed the viability of the north and the diamond industry and, more importantly, northerners providing the necessary services for diamond valuation and sorting. Mr. Cohen indicated how well-suited many northern and aboriginal people would be to the various positions, given natural artistic abilities, as well as how this industry could be well-suited to seasonal work. Mr.

Cohen has gone on record indicating his lobbying efforts for secondary diamond industries in the north. I would hope that Mr. Cohen's expertise, his statements and findings are consistent with the objectives with the Department of RWED relating to diamond valuation and sorting in the north. I hope the Minister will give consideration to adding Mr. Cohen's name onto the list of consultants assisting his department. Mr. Cohen's comments will, I hope, add credibility to what Members of this House have been saying for many months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 89-13(5): Northern Nursing Program Graduation Ceremonies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend I had the privilege and honour along with some of the other Members from this House, both from the west and from the east, to attend a ceremony here in the Great Hall to honour the graduates from the Aurora College Northern Nursing Program, Class of 1997. The graduates received their pins in advance of the actual graduation ceremonies because many of them will not be able to attend graduation. At this ceremony I was proud to see one of the graduates was a member of the Yellowknives Dene First Nation, Mary Jane Tsetta. She is one of the first members of the Yellowknives First Nation to achieve this.

Mary Jane is a wife and a mother of one son. She and her family live in Yellowknife. She has been totally committed to her studies. She, as an example, had to first take upgrading and then the nursing program which was a total of three and a half years. Also during her studies, she unfortunately lost her father and one of her brothers, but she continued in her commitment. I am pleased to announce also that she will be starting a job at Stanton Hospital very soon. Mary Jane is a non-drinker.

She supports wellness and she is certainly a source of inspiration and good role model for her friends, her family and the rest of her people. I am sure we all wish her congratulations on a job well done and good luck in the new job. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 90-13(5): Privatization Of The Petroleum Products Division

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I will speak on the issue of the privatization of the government's petroleum products division or POL, as it is sometimes referred to. Mr. Speaker, I have stated my concerns in this House and in public on numerous occasions about the inadvisability of proceeding with privatization at this time. The infrastructure committee made previous tabled recommendations to this House that any further work on the privatization of the petroleum products division be delayed until after division. It was felt there were more pressing issues worthy of the government's efforts and fiscal resources at this juncture in time.

Mr. Speaker, regardless of the recommendation made by the committee that any further work on privatization be delayed until after division, I understand that a contract was issued for further recommendations on privatization.

I have stated previously that the GNWT and subsequently, the future Government of Nunavut and the west are the primary consumers of petroleum products in nonmarket communities. It should be of paramount importance to the two future governments that the pricing of petroleum products for other consumers and ourselves remain as low as possible.

Mr. Speaker, there are also serious concerns with the product quality control, environmental liabilities and whether an independent owner could have the financial where withal to deal with the enormous costs involved in set up, purchase and

distribution of fuel and other costs associated with this venture.

Mr. Speaker, two previous reports had been commissioned by this government on price controls and cost effectiveness of privatization. In spite of the committee's recommendation, a third report, I understand, is now complete. I will be surprised if this new report contains any information that was not in the previous two reports or available to the department.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister responsible for details of the future plans the department has for petroleum products division in question period today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Oral Questions 75-13(5): Transparency In Public/private Partnerships

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco on January 22nd, with respect to transparency in Public/Private Partnerships. In response to Mr. Picco 's question with regard to transparency in Public/Private Partnerships, I want to assure my colleagues once again, the government is committed to transparency as we proceed with implementation. That Members of this Assembly will have full opportunity to participate in finalizing the proposals as members of standing committees.

As promised, I am pleased to announce I am tabling the policy document, guidelines for implementing Public/Private Partnerships later today. Financing capital projects through partnership initiatives means the government will be able to accommodate more community priorities faster within existing spending limits. I have asked each Minister with responsibility for infrastructure to review his or her department's capital forecasts and to provide me with recommendations for priority projects that we would add to the 1998-99 capital plan, if additional funding were available.

This review will take into consideration the input that Mr. Morin received from the communities last summer in response to his request for the priority of capital requirements. The list of additional priorities will be reviewed to identify those that have the greatest potential for payback either in the social or economic terms.

When combined with the products already included in the 1998-99 capital plan, we will have a list of some $240 million worth of projects. We will review all of these projects to determine which would be most appropriate to apply P3 approaches.

We will also do extensive cost benefit analysis on each project and determine what level of overall investment will be affordable. I will be seeking the input of Members of this Assembly during this review process, through the standing committees.

In response to Mr. Picco 's question, I will table the final list of P3 initiatives for 1998-99 in this Assembly, along with any changes to the current capital proposals that may require approval of the Assembly. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 304

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Mr. Jeff Colburne, a local reporter with the Yellowknifer. I would like to point out that Jeff left Yellowknife prior to Christmas as a single man and returned married, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas, the President of the NWTTA in the gallery and with her today is Mr. Barrie Chivers, who is legal counsel to the NWTTA, and an old family friend. In fact he was once my father's campaign manager.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the other half of me, my wife, Elisapee and beside her is Sarah Kooneeliusie, originally from Broughton Island, now living in Yellowknife. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Question 93-13(5): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 305

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Public Works and Services .

Mr. Speaker, in spite of the Infrastructure Committee's recommendation not to proceed with the procurement of the further report, would the Minister please enlighten the House what the rationale was for proceeding with the securing of this report? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government has decided to shelve the privatization of the petroleum products division. However, we still have to do some work. At division time, we have to look at the petroleum

products division after division because at the present time, there is cross-subsidization between the east and west, and following division that will no longer be the case. We will have to continue to do further work and look at how these changes are going to affect this division. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 93-13(5): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister suggesting then that the recommendations regarding privatization contained in this document will be used to make decisions regarding division? Are they outside of the realm of privatization? Is that the understanding, Mr. Speaker?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the study that was done for the government in looking into the privatization of petroleum products contains a lot of information that is relevant to looking at the future plans of this division. Although we have shelved the initiative which privatizes this division, we are going to be having all these reports and recommendations that were coming out of these reports be available to the next governments for both east and the west, so they will look at this privatization after this government is finished. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the request for proposal was responded to by several consultants. Could the Minister please tell us what the name of the company was or the name of the firm was that provided the report. Thank you.

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the last request for proposal that was issued, the successful consultant firm was the firm of Mr. Bailey and Associates. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary today for the Minister is could he please inform us what the cost of this most recent report was. Thank you.

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Bailey and Associates firm was the successful winner of this competition for request for proposal and the cost of the study was $223,000. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 94-13(5): Pelly Bay School Overcrowding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 305

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . As I stated in my statement, we have a serious problem providing adequate space for the students in Pelly Bay. The original design for the addition was much larger, but was scaled down, according to my understanding, because of the total cost involved. To the contrary Mr. Speaker, there had been an increasing number of students and potential students to attend school in Pelly Bay. Mr. Speaker, we talk about a brighter future.

We talk about in this government, education working society, but we have not planned properly. We also know that we have a very high birth rate in the territory. Will the Minister of Education

communicate with the Kitikmeot District Education Council and the community education council to address the problem determined by the community to be a serious problem.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that when the addition was first proposed, it was for three classrooms. In the planning year, it was discovered that because of the population growth in the community, the project needed to be increased to four classrooms, so I am a little surprised today to hear the Member say there is still going to be a space crunch after the four classrooms are built. I will undertake to have my department contact the divisional education council and check with Public Works to determine the status of the construction project and just how full that school will be on completion of the addition. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a supplementary to the same Minister. In the process of communicating will the Minister start communicating with the Kitikmeot District Education Council and Public Works. Will the Minister also instruct his officials to consult with the community education council, in this case, where I got the information from? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Question 95-13(5): Proposed Amendments To The Public Service Act

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance . Several times in this House over the past couple of months, there have been questions and comments raised concerning a change in the Public Service Act. Can the Minister inform this House, will he entertain the proposal on the changes presented by the UNW or the NWTTA to the PSA Act? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have had several discussions with the president of the NWTTA, Ms. Pat Thomas, with respect to some of the changes that she and her ship would like to see within the act. I did write to all Members early in December indicating that we are in intense negotiations right now with the UNW, with respect to pay equity and with respect to a new collective agreement. I also said in that letter that once we finalize and come to an agreement on those issues that I was prepared to meet with both Ms. Thomas and Ms.

Simpson to see if, in fact, there was some compromise that could be reached and some changes that this government could live with and could be achieved in the act that Mr. Picco speaks about. Thank you.

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Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a few minutes ago we heard from the Minister an emergency statement regarding the breakdown in talks on pay equity. So

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, like most negotiations, occasionally, they break down. Mr. Speaker, I am fairly confident we will still come to an arrangement, and I am certainly pushing for it, by the end of March on those issues, one that is both negotiated and affordable. Once we have done that, we will get on to constructive dialogue between the two organized labour organizations and attempt to look at some of the changes they want to make. Assuming we can live with them and we are satisfied with them, I would be prepared to bring them forward to my Cabinet colleagues and this House for the change. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, indeed that is good news. Based on that timeline, if everything is settled by March 31st, would the Minister look at proceeding with that type of implementation by May? The reason for my questions, Mr. Speaker, is that, indeed, any act or law on the books of the Government of the Northwest Territories would be grandfathered into Nunavut and this is a concern that the legislation be brought forward, so I wonder what timeline would he be looking at?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I have indicated a willingness, and will say again for the last time, a willingness to come to the table both in writing and orally to the president of the NWTTA. I will do that once we have concluded the difficult pay equity issue that we are currently in, and I will be talking to that later next week. I have made a commitment here publicly and in writing and I am prepared to do that. I am not going to set timelines here when these things have to be negotiated. Thank you.

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Question 96-13(5): Future Baffin Polar Bear Studies

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of RWED , the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi . Mr. Speaker, for the past several years there have been polar bear studies conducted in the eastern Arctic, especially in the Baffin region. We, the people from Nunavut or the Baffin region, benefit from those polar bear studies. My question to the honourable Minister is, does his department plan to do more polar bear studies in the eastern Arctic, especially in the Baffin communities. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year there was a study done in the Grise Fiord Kane Basin with the polar bear program, and that study is completed for that area. So this year, this spring we will have the first of a three-year program. The program will work to estimate the population size of the polar bears in the Gulf of Boothia, so hunters from Repulse Bay, Pelly Bay, Igloolik and Gjoa Haven will be involved in this study this spring. Thank you.

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Question 97-13(5): GNWT Office Leases

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works . It is in regard to the office space this government presently owns or occupies. The number of surplus office space that we have at present, there are some 76,000 square feet of surplus office space in Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, I find it mind boggling how at this time, with all the vacant office space that we have, that this government can get into a long-term contract in regard to selling off public assets and exactly how that has been done. I am talking in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower and in regard to how that process took place.

My question to the Minister is, exactly what process was used in the selling of this public asset and was it a public tender process and were all organizations, companies involved in putting bids through this process?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this Lahm Ridge Tower is not a public building. It is not owned by the Government of the Northwest Territories. It never has been. It has been privately owned, and in fact the owners were Lahm Ridge Investment Ltd. and they have sold their asset to another company.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the long-term leases that are required by this new company, are there other opportunities for say, aboriginal organizations to get into these type of tenders where there is now an opportunity to open up all leases and allow for a long-term tendering process to take place where you can re-open all contracts to be renegotiated with extensions on these contracts?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the question in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower lease is that it was a ten-year lease, and that lease had expired a couple of years ago. The department had not exercised the extension provision to the lease but had committed on a month-to-month basis. In late July, the then owner of Lahm Ridge Investment Ltd. asked the regional superintendent for a ten-year lease extension consistent with the lease terms that they were operating under.

The landlord had proposed some fairly good reductions in the operation and maintenance cost, which was estimated to be about half a million dollars over an eight year period and they have agreed to upgrade and renovate some of the heating and ventilation system. The regional superintendent then, according to the lease, had agreed to an extension that was limited to eight years.

So, under the provisions of the lease arrangements with Lahm Ridge Investment Ltd., this was under the regional superintendent to go ahead and make some further arrangements for extending the life of the lease because of the favourable financial arrangement they were able to reach. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister table in this House the arrangements of this lease for all Members to see?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. I will table the relevant information with regard to this lease arrangement. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister also make us aware of any new leases that may have come

forth under similar arrangements where there has been extensions or selling, renegotiating these leases; if there are any new leases presently under review and exactly if there are any such arrangements being done elsewhere? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, yes, Mr. Speaker. There is some Yellowknife office space planned that the Cabinet just approved. It is going to be information that will be going to the Ordinary Members in their standing committees. Thank you.

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Question 98-13(5): Addressing Keewatin Health Care Issues

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . In reference to Keewatin health care, Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that as of today there have been no meetings or discussions that have taken place regarding the negotiations with the Northern Medical Unit in Winnipeg to provide interim medical services to the Keewatin people. Can the Minister confirm whether this is the case, and if it is, why it has taken so long to arrange these meetings? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, I cannot confirm if it is or is not the case. As I advised the honourable Member last week, I believe I said the management team had gotten on the ground early last week and had to evaluate the situation, I guess, to find out exactly what the status was. I said that the human resource issue was one of the priorities and the provision of services would follow shortly after that. So I cannot say right now what the delay is in starting negotiations, but I will check into the matter and report back. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr Speaker, can the Minister give us an update as to what changes or what additional medical services have been provided since the crisis or the near collapse of our medical services in the Keewatin? What changes have taken place since the issue was raised some ten days ago? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot report today on what changes have taken place. As I had indicated, I have not had the chance to get a report back from the team that was in Rankin Inlet. I can commit to getting that report today from them. I know the first thing they had to do, as I

indicated, was an assessment of what or was not happening and what had to be done in terms of steps of action to put things in place, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just assume that a lot of this work had been done with the report that the Minister asked for a number of months ago. I am sure that the Minister can appreciate that there are many nervous people in the Keewatin regarding their health care. I would ask the Minister if he could give us a date when we could expect to get his report as to the status of health care in the Keewatin, the number of doctors, nurses and so on, and when he can deliver this report to the House?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I indicated I would get the report from the department today, and I will provide the status as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I think what I am asking for is fairly straightforward. The Minister has already indicated that he is aware of how critical the situation is in the Keewatin and the fear that exists within the Keewatin people. I am asking the Minister for a date as to when the people of Keewatin can hear results of the report and what has been accomplished to date. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I said I would try to do it as soon as possible. I will commit to trying to do it before the end of this week. Thank you.

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Question 99-13(5): Pay Equity Negotiations

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance , and it is in regard to the pay equity issue in his statement today which was somewhat

vague but ominous. I was wondering if the Minister could clarify the process that is going to take place now that the

mediator is in the talks and what time lines are we looking at in the process? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, it is ominous because if we cannot come to a negotiated arrangement and we let third parties mediate the decision, and if the decision is not affordable, there will be more employees in this government laid off and more services that are cut back. It is just that simple. What I have consistently said to everybody, to the public, to this House, we want to negotiate an affordable settlement. I am hoping that all parties will come to the table with the realization that is what we expect, nothing more, nothing less. I am hoping that the UNW will be back to the bargaining table, as they say, on February 2nd. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister indicate whether February 2nd is to discuss the collective bargaining process or is that still tied in with pay equity? Are they now two separate issues? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have indicated to our parties that I would like to see the issues dealt with and dealt with as quickly as possible. One is outstanding from ten years ago. At least I have said consistently I have made the overture to try and negotiate an affordable settlement. I would hope that on February 2nd, both issues will be on the table again. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has concurred that, in fact, yes this situation has many ominous implications. Is the Minister in the position to indicate or can he indicate, at least within a ball park figure, the gulf that separates the two parties? What is the government offering, and what is the union demanding so that people can be clearly aware of the magnitude of this particular issue? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, it would be inappropriate for me to indicate the dollar value in terms of the gulf, but I would describe it as equivalent to the Grand Canyon. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the concerns that I have heard in regard to pay equity is, in fact, there are a lot of hints and implications that things are not good, and this is very serious. Would the Minister commit to providing the public, on an ongoing basis, with as much information as he can that will give some level of comfort and awareness as to the magnitude of this problem because now all we get are these kinds of statements that get everybody's levels of apprehension up and promote and foster the rumour mills, which is not in anybody's benefit? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, we are under negotiations right now between two parties, and in fairness to the two parties, it may be wishful thinking, but I am still optimistic that we will make some kind of negotiated settlement. I would like to avoid, if at all possible, and I suggest, if at all possible, of it becoming a public discussion and we can come to some agreement. Should it come to an impasse, I want to assure my colleague that both this House and the people of the Northwest Territories will know the position of this government. Thank you.

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Question 100-13(5): Funding Formula For Breast Cancer Screening

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng . Mr. Ng made a statement today regarding breast cancer screening, and that was an issue that was discussed at some level here in this forum before we broke the last time. In his statement he says each board is free to deliver its services including breast cancer screening. He says that the Department of Health and Social Services provides each board with funding to offer the full range of services and goes on to speak of the Strategic Investment Fund that is available.

I would like to know from the Minister, is there a certain formula that has to be followed, cost-shared program, that the health boards can plug into to try and achieve some of this breast cancer screening? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member, I believe, is referring to the Strategic Investment Fund, and yes, there are criteria to plug in to meet some of the parameters of the program to access funding by all boards. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us if there is a formula in place? Is it cost shared 50/50 from a health board funding perspective to the strategic investment dollars that are available? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you know, the Strategic Investment Fund came about as a result of some of the deficiencies in health care funding throughout the Northwest Territories. I think it is fair to say that the department recognized that some boards were better off than others in respect to some of their core funding for programs through the department. So there is an intent to try to balance that off with this initiative.

Some boards that have a bit more flexibility would be asked to put in more of their share of investment towards accessing funds in the strategic program dollars, and other boards that may have a more limited ability because of historic shortages in some of their funding would be asked to put in less to access some of these funds. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the next question I have is in regard to the investment fund. The Minister seems to be saying that it be looked at between one health board to another. Can the Minister inform me if the amount that was invested was $4 million, and $2 million of that was given to the ones that were considered to have low numbers? Now I think we are referring to two different amounts, but the $2 million that is left for all health boards, is that the portion we are speaking of and will it be viewed as you have just mentioned? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, of the $4 million identified and approved for the Strategic Initiative Fund, $2 million has been targeted, if you want to say that, to the three specific boards that have the greatest need, that being the Baffin, Keewatin and Dogrib boards. The other $2 million would be targeted to all the remaining boards, the Kitikmeot, Inuvik, Yellowknife, Deh Cho, Fort Smith, Hay River, Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e boards and give them access to some of these strategic initiatives funding as well, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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