Debates of Feb. 27th, 2006

This is page numbers 1369 - 1412 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Tourism 2010: A Tourism Plan

Minister Absent From The House

History Of Health Care In Hay River

GNWT Fiscal Management

Balancing Aboriginal Economic Development Opportunities And Stewardship

Culturally Relevant Programming In Tlicho Schools

Grand Opening Of Sam Arey Curling Rink In Aklavik

"guts And Glory" Book Launch

Convertible Workforce Housing Initiative

WCB Assessment Rates For Quick Service Restaurants

Deninu Kue Old-timers Hockey Tournament

GNWT Human Resource Practices And Procedures

Medical Travel Ground Transportation Policies

Federal Government's Position On Resource Royalties

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Canol Heritage Trail

WCB Assessment Rates For Quick Service Restaurants

Tlicho Cultural And Language Funding

Delays In Construction Of Senior Housing Units In Hay River

Justice Committee Funding

GNWT Fiscal Management

Highway No. 1 And No. 7 Improvement Plans

Human Resource Practices

Community Emergency Preparedness

Resource Revenue Sharing Agreement

Written Question 34-15(4): Subcategory Assessment Rates

Return To Written Question 22-15(4): Edap Program

Return To Written Question 23-15(4): Agency Nurses In The North

Tabled Document 99-15(4): Tourism 2010 - A Tourism Plan For The Northwest Territories

Tabled Document 100-15(4): Caribou Harvesting Identification Graphic

Recognizing The Value Of Elders' Knowledge

Item 16: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Remove The Socio-economic Impact Fund Senior Advisor Position

Recommendation To Hold Self-government And Land Claim Negotiations In Relevant Regions

Item 17: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 19: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment .

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Minister's Statement 83-15(4): Tourism 2010: A Tourism Plan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the vision of a diversified Northwest Territories economy -- providing all residents with opportunities and choices -- is one most often focussed on tourism.

The tourism industry has potential in the NWT to offer economic diversity and the development of viable and sustainable small business ventures in almost every NWT community.

While various organizations and businesses may have a role in support and developing the tourism industry, the government has a unique role: to take a holistic approach, incorporating the areas of general support, infrastructure development and territory-wide investment.

In its 2004 strategic plan, the 15th Assembly of the Northwest Territories identified the expansion of the NWT tourism sector as one of its key priorities.

Mr. Speaker, Tourism 2010: A Tourism Plan for the Northwest Territories outlines the investment and steps that this government will be undertaking to address this priority.

From 2006-2010, the Government of the Northwest Territories, through its Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, proposes to invest an additional $1 million annually over and above existing tourism-related spending.

This funding is intended to leverage an additional investment of $2 million per year from private and public sector partners, supporting the overall goal to increase total tourist spending in the NWT tourism sector to $145 million annually by the year 2010.

The Tourism 2010 plan identifies five key investment areas where our government and our partners propose to invest up to $15 million over five years. Investment will focus on: marketing, product development, infrastructure, human resource training, and research and planning.

Our plan includes additional marketing funds for NWT tourism and supports and promotes links between tourism

and sectors; most notably, the additional economy and the arts sectors.

The plan anticipates significant expenditures in regional product development and development of new regional attractions.

It will provide for valuable "tourism lures" in more remote locations targeting at least one new attraction per region.

It will allow for more NWT businesses and residents to benefit from opportunities in the tourism sector.

It will result in increased revenues for tourism and small business operators in communities. It will increase the number of tourism-based businesses in the communities and regions.

The plan, Mr. Speaker, will provide for training for NWT hospitality workers enabling the NWT to more effectively compete in the global tourism marketplace.

It will result in up-to-date information on industry trends and activity levels to guide industry planning and marketing.

Mr. Speaker, Tourism 2010 is a long-term commitment to developing tourism in the Northwest Territories. Investments outlined in this plan will generate returns well beyond the five-year focus of this initiative.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate point today, I will table the Tourism 2010 - A Tourism Plan for the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 83-15(4): Tourism 2010: A Tourism Plan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 84-15(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Michael Miltenberger will be absent from the House today to attend the federal/provincial/territorial Ministers of Health meeting in Toronto.

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Minister's Statement 84-15(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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History Of Health Care In Hay River

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Hay River is again experiencing, or should I say

still experiencing, a physician shortage. This is probably the worst outlook that we have had in terms of prospective recruits to fill the five funded positions for physicians than we've had in a long time.

Mr. Speaker, today, and maybe in the next few days, I am going to be talking about health care in Hay River, and today I would like to give a little background perspective in terms of the history of health care in Hay River.

In 1948, a young bible college graduate and his bride made their trek to Hay River. Ken and Sarah Gaetz wanted to start a church. In a small frontier town like Hay River in the late 1940s, you didn't show up, rent a hall and tell people to come to your church. No, instead they looked around for needs in the community. For awhile, Ken Gaetz was a Boy Scout leader and then he drove a garbage wagon. He did whatever needed to be done to help out and, in the process, he got to know the town and its people.

In those days, the government didn't have a nursing station let alone a hospital, so in the Old Town, Ken Gaetz set up a nursing station and recruited a nurse. Eventually he recruited a doctor who married the nurse, and that's another whole story.

Ken Gaetz and his fledgling nursing station and his little church were affiliated with the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada. It became known throughout the Pentecostal Church network across Canada of the work of this young couple in the North. A man by the name of H.H. Williams passed away in southern Ontario and his estate directed a gift to the health care effort in the Hay River, Northwest Territories. With that seed money, the hospital was built. More doctors and more nurses came over the years and Ken Gaetz became the administrator of that hospital.

Concurrently with the work in Hay River, Ken Gaetz visited smaller communities up and down the Mackenzie Valley. There, the mission built homes and churches in these small communities.

When doctors and nurses were recruited by the Pentecostal Sub-Arctic Mission, they came to Hay River knowing that the mission would provide them with accommodation, and only a portion of the pay that they were normally entitled to and the bulk of their earnings would go to support the workers and the churches in the smaller communities. In exchange, the doctors and nurses would have an opportunity to travel throughout the North while offering their professional services in Hay River.

They would visit and support the mission stations and this successfully continued for many years. In 1975, the Government of the Northwest Territories built a hospital in Hay River. The hospital was then contracted to the mission to then operate.

Mr. Speaker, I will conclude my history of health care in Hay River with that, but tomorrow I am going to continue on and explain that maybe there is something we are missing here in terms of what we need to give people as a vision if we want to get them to come to the North. Maybe it is more than a job. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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GNWT Fiscal Management

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The topic I would like to discuss today is one that is very timely seeing as we are within a few days of passing the 2006-07 appropriations act. Over the past few weeks and months, I continue to be amazed at just how irrelevant our whole budgeting process really is. I will have much more to say about this when Bill 19 comes before the House.

In the fall, we -- and I am speaking of Regular Members -- got wind of a $30 million corporate tax shortfall that the government was faced with. Instead of asking Regular Members or consulting them on what may be the best approach to cut spending, the government and Finance Minister set out to ask departments to reduce budgets by one percent. Why this approach was chosen is anyone's best guess. What it did was send deputy ministers scrambling, looking at their department's operations and making what, in my estimation, were Mickey Mouse reductions.

The best approach would have been consultation with Regular Members on picking some tangible targets for reduction. All departments cannot be treated the same. Some have some room for reduction while others have ample room which gets me to the reason I am so upset with how it is that this government can just seem to find money on a whim. Case in point: $525,000 for caribou management and, just on Friday, this House learned of another $450,000 that FMBS just happened to discover in its operation.

The $450,000 might end up being the best $450,000 we have ever spent, but again, Regular Members are the last to know what is going on.

I think the actions of this government on consultation leave much to be desired. Where are these pockets of money the Minister is finding? How much slush is really out there? Why go through reductions if you can just pull together $1 million overnight? Mr. Speaker, something just isn't right here. The more I see, the more angry I am getting. Mr. Speaker, I am a very patient man. However, my patience is wearing very thin when it comes to the way that this government is handling our spending and totally ignoring the fact that we are a consensus government. It seems to me that actions lately by this government would suggest that they believe they are beyond reproach.

Mr. Speaker, the cavalier attitude cannot be allowed to continue. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Balancing Aboriginal Economic Development Opportunities And Stewardship

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week, Minister McLeod and I had the honour to participate in the Deh Cho economic development conference forum in Hay River where I shared some of my thoughts with the delegates, and I would like to share some of these thoughts here today.

This economic development opportunity that is facing us today, namely the Mackenzie Valley gas project, is probably going to be the biggest single event that will impact our generation in the Mackenzie Valley.

In the past, the land took care of us. We hunted for our food. It sustained us. We trapped for our clothing. It sustained us. We gathered for our shelter. It sustained us. We also looked to the land for spirituality and it sustained us. Today, much has changed but the land still takes care of us through natural resources, economic development opportunities. In a way, the land still provides food, clothing and shelter.

Self-sufficiency means that we need little from others. We, as a people, must provide for ourselves. Once, many of our people used to live year round in the bush needing very little. This is our primary objective: to be self-sufficient once again.

I want to tell you a story I heard from a constituent. It was about two brothers who asked an elder what he thought about potential economic activity. When the first brother asked, the elder replied, what was your experience with your previous opportunities? The brother replied, it was awful. People were not working together. They didn't evaluate the impacts, made decisions without long-term consequences. The elder replied, this opportunity will probably be the same. The second brother asked days later. The elder replied, and what was your experience? The brother said, it was excellent. People had jobs.

Communities grew. The people worked together to protect the land. The elder replied, this opportunity will probably be the same. Our elders work hard to try to give us all that we needed. The situation, although not perfect, has improved considerably since our elders signed a treaty. Today, socializing is also a business opportunity. As aboriginal businesspeople, we need to get out there. We need to reach out as much as we can. Our wealth is our lands, and we must respect it. We must make sure these lands are healthy when we pass it down to our next generation. We must have balance.

It is not enough to say no to development. We must have an alternative. We owe it to ourselves, our ancestors and our youth. Every government needs an economy. If our communities with fixed economies continue to deteriorate for...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Your time for your Member's statement has expired, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Culturally Relevant Programming In Tlicho Schools

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, my statement today is regarding the Edzo Chief Jimmy Bruneau High School. They are having a celebration and he spoke of strong like two people, and we are still following his statement. (Translation ends)

We are celebrating a great Tlicho leader, the namesake of our school, today. Chief Jimmy Bruneau was a visionary. His words and ideas are quoted in Tlicho and throughout the North, Mr. Speaker. When opening a Tlicho school in Edzo, he spoke of the need for our youth to be strong like two people, to be proficient in a Tlicho culture as well as the modern world.

Mr. Speaker, the schools in the Tlicho region are recognized across the North for their culturally responsive teaching. They are often asked to host or mentor other schools and organizations, demonstrating how cultural programming can be truly integrated into our educational programming. Why, just this past week, Chief Jimmy Bruneau hosted the Yellowknife Rotary Club's exchange program to experience from around the world to their school's trapline and out for the afternoon on the land. Just last week, Mr. Speaker, Elizabeth Mackenzie School had all of its students out on a camp on Russell Lake.

This week, the high schools experienced a winter camping and trapping on Marion village once again, hosting a school from Vancouver, Mr. Speaker. These are just some of the many activities that are part of the day-to-day activities in our Tlicho schools.

We are doing our best to live up to Chief Jimmy Bruneau's vision to raise our children to be strong like two people. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, this type of programming is very expensive. The schools in the Tlicho region have to write numerous proposals each year for outside funding to supplement the funding they receive for culture programs from this government. The benefit of culturally relevant programs, Mr. Speaker, is documented. Any kind of educational experience that relates to life for young people has been proven to be beneficial. This year, we are expecting about 40 graduates in our Tlicho schools.

Two weeks ago, Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Yellowknife Centre spoke of a need for relevant programming in schools for northern students. I would like to reiterate the importance of delivering the programming in the schools, as well. Later, I will have questions for the Minister of ECE . Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Grand Opening Of Sam Arey Curling Rink In Aklavik

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to travel back to my constituency this weekend to go to Aklavik for the grand opening of the Sam Arey Curling Rink which was a long time coming.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, the $1.2 million curling rink was constructed by a local contractor, A.C. Contracting of Aklavik, Andrew Charlie. I would like to thank Andrew and his crew for doing a great job. It is a beautiful building and for the many people that showed up for the opening, we had quite the crowd. I also would like to take this time to thank the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, my favourite department, the Department of Public Works and Services, and also the Hamlet of Aklavik in regards to the many people that have worked on this project over the last two years.

Mr. Speaker, it was a great time had by all. I also had the opportunity to test out the ice along with my colleague from Inuvik Twin Lakes, who was my skip. It was his privilege to be able to yell at me as the Minister to sweep, sweep, sweep, which I heard all weekend.

---Laughter

Anyhow, Mr. Speaker, I also would like to thank the many people for showing up. I would like to thank the community, again, for their patience in waiting for two years for us to get back to curling in the community of Aklavik. I look forward for great curling over the years. Hopefully, we will see some great athletes as we know the Koe family who originates from Aklavik have participated in the Scotts and the Brier. I encourage all the younger people to get involved and also to be able to strive to be at the Brier and the Scotts in the future.

With that, Mr. Speaker, again, I would like to thank the people of Aklavik and also the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

---Applause

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Grand Opening Of Sam Arey Curling Rink In Aklavik

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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"guts And Glory" Book Launch

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last Friday, I had the opportunity to witness a launching of a book called, Guts and Glory, by Sally Manning, on the success, I guess they call it, of his people from up in Inuvik and up where there are successful skaters up in the Gwich'in, the Beaufort-Delta and the Yukon.

We played hockey yesterday, Mr. Speaker, against the MLAs and media. I think they should have had a second book called, Guts to Glory,

Part 2, for us here in that little event. However, Mr. Speaker, I want to say that this event recognizes the contribution of Arctic skiers in the Northwest Territories that represented Canada, the North, the people, schools and communities. Sharon and Shirley Firth, along with many other skiers, were recognized in this book here where the Department of MACA that, I think, had some dealings with in terms of recognizing these skiers in terms of support in this launching here and also with Outcrop, the northern publisher.

Mr. Speaker, the book tells a story of a territorial experimental ski training program called a test, that had seen that there is a lot of talent in the North. We had it here in the Northwest Territories that saw a young group of aboriginal kids that had a lot of talent, guts and glory that took this program, brought it up North by European skiers, coaches. Father Mouchet was one of them that put them in a program that they developed throughout the years of the ski life and put them in school. Mr. Krutko is well aware of these skiers. People on this side know about some of this ski program.

It talks about the success in the name of the first twins, Lennies, Allens, that made it through this program here. It is a worthwhile program. It was a good launch. I would certainly support everybody to buy the book, From Guts to Glory. Thank you.

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Convertible Workforce Housing Initiative

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to try again to reiterate my concerns regarding the government's plan for buying and converting used trailers. Mr. Speaker, I am concerned that this government is going deeper and deeper into this relationship without a plan for a detailed cost and benefit analysis on hard facts and figures by a third party. I am concerned that this government has circumvented a competitive process to find the best housing deal to come out of the pipeline development.

Mr. Speaker, I am concerned that this government has not demanded or received a concrete and comprehensive long-term training program that would produce ticketed aboriginal and northern workers whose tickets would be transferable and marketable to other projects and industries.

I am concerned that this government has not demanded or received a specific northern training program or facilities for building or converting these units in our communities, whether they be in Inuvik, Fort Simpson, Hay River or wherever, Mr. Speaker. I am concerned that there is not a specific and well thought out pre-plan on how we are going to develop and deliver 1,420 lots in our communities. This would require specific negotiations and agreements with our aboriginal, regional and municipal counterparts and one that should be settled prior to getting into this deal, not after.

Mr. Speaker, I am concerned that this project foresees almost $62 million to $70 million to come from private sector buyers. This is an enormously huge and uncontrollable variable that has had questionable record. The latest example being the Housing Corporation's market housing initiative.

Mr. Speaker, this government has had trouble renting 22 new mobile homes in two years. Twelve of them still sit empty. How does this government plan to sell 25 percent? That is 355 of 1,420 units. What about the question of market interruption in places like Inuvik, Norman Wells and perhaps Fort Simpson and Fort Smith? If this is such a deal, why don't we let the private sector handle the projects from the beginning to the end?

Mr. Speaker, most importantly, I am very concerned that this government is assuming more liability for this project than the federal government, Imperial Oil or the trailer company, all of whom, without a doubt, have much deeper pockets than we do. Lastly, Mr. Speaker, I am very concerned that this government is going to spend all of their political influence and currency lobbying...Mr. Speaker, thank you. I think I will just end it there.

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Convertible Workforce Housing Initiative

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave Mr. Braden .

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WCB Assessment Rates For Quick Service Restaurants

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have been a very strong advocate for the interests of the injured worker and the treatment they get from the WCB. Of late, Mr. Speaker, issues have also come up regarding the other significant stakeholder group in the workers' compensation system, and that is the employers, restaurant owners and franchise restaurant owners, especially those based in Yellowknife. For three years now, they have been hit with a maximum of 25 percent assessment increase.

Mr. Speaker, subclass 76 now charges $2.93 per $100 of payroll. That is at least double every other equivalent WCB in Canada for that category. It is more than $1 above the average WCB assessment across all of the NWT and Yukon. Let's just take a moment and compare it to that much safer occupation of oil well drilling which gets assessed at about 50 cents less than a franchise restaurant owner. What is going wrong, Mr. Speaker?

Injuries have been costly in this category, but some business owners, especially these franchise owners, argue that they are taking a real hit from the more careless operators in this category against their own unblemished safety record.

Mr. Speaker, they are asking for their own category, claiming WCB rates are among many costs of business here in Yellowknife that are becoming unaffordable. What aggravates this whole situation, Mr. Speaker, is the response, or really we should say the lack of response from the WCB. These business owners have been trying for almost three years to get some response and only grudgingly it seems in the last few weeks has anything been forthcoming.

While these business owners may not get entirely what they want or expect, at least, Mr. Speaker, they deserve a courteous, professional, timely and thorough response from the WCB. They haven't been getting it. The corporate culture of the WCB, as I have experienced over several years on behalf of injured workers, is arrogant, aloof and closed door, Mr. Speaker. This cannot be sustained.

One major Yellowknife employer wrote me recently. "I was amazed that they were locked down tighter than the diamond sorting plants. In fact, you can't even use the washroom without getting a security pass. We watch in disbelief over the past years that this department has grown to an enormous size." Mr. Speaker, what is going wrong at the WCB? Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Deninu Kue Old-timers Hockey Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1373

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, I just want to say thank you to all the sponsors, participants and organizers, especially all of the community members of Deninu Kue who put together a successful old-timers tournament over the past weekend. It was nice to see many friends from the surrounding communities of Fort Smith, Hay River, Kakisa and Fort Providence come to Deninu Kue to take

part in this first annual old-timers hockey tournament.

Mr. Speaker, these types of events bring a community together not just to ensure that the tournament can be successful, but, more importantly, to build pride amongst the general population in themselves so people can proudly pat each other on the back and say that they did it together.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that this is only the beginning of something that will be ongoing for our community, getting organized on an idea, inviting friends to participate, having fun, making new friends and celebrating the successes. This was accomplished last weekend, Mr. Speaker. I say to my constituents, congratulations. Keep up the good work toward community cooperation and camaraderie. I look forward to participating in similar upcoming community events. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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GNWT Human Resource Practices And Procedures

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1373

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is about putting the human in human resources. Staff costs for many employers comprise up to 50 percent of the total office expense. This fact alone should prove the importance of hiring excellent people and having excellent processes to hire them.

The GNWT has difficulty attracting qualified people. The application process needs to be a little more humane. Perhaps there is something inherent in our hiring practice that shuts certain people out. The Canadian Federation of Independent Business indicates that labour market statistics show that pockets of the labour force are being underemployed in underutilized areas that are relevant to their training and experience. Statistical studies show that main groups in areas of women, visible minorities, people with disabilities and aboriginals are being targeted.

The last two groups are categories of particular concern. Less than half of those people with disabilities who are willing and able to be employed are for aboriginal people. Unemployment is over 33 percent across this country. We need to alter negative trends. That requires educational opportunities and various other strategies from different departments. This includes Human Resources. Maybe the GNWT Human Resources needs to consider some fresh new ideas. Let's be innovative. Let's go back to the days when we acknowledged a receipt of someone's resume. Let's send them a letter to say, hey, we got it.

It is in the mix. Mr. Speaker, by putting little steps in the vat, people feel like they are not sending their resume into the abyss hoping for luck that week. What about posting some sample resumes on our web site to let people know what we are looking for and demonstrate this in writing? It is difficult to write a resume to an application when you are a little nervous doing this. Mr. Speaker, we can expand the interview process by giving some details. It is very daunting when you walk into a room and you are sat down in front of three people

you may have never met and then all of a sudden forced to answer questions. It is a bit of a scary process.

Mr. Speaker, equivalencies are often a complaint we hear in the MLA's office where there is sometimes confusion on how they are truly demonstrated. Mr. Speaker, I explained all of this about trying to take away our conveyer belt method of hiring people. It is just about, again, putting the human side to the human resources again. As we all know, the GNWT is no longer the employer of choice. So let's start moving in the 21st century to show that we are progressive and professional. Let's start trying to attract those people.

Mr. Speaker, all of these suggestions are just ideas. I am hoping to get some good responses from the Minister later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Medical Travel Ground Transportation Policies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1374

Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about the patients travelling for medical reasons to urban centres. Last week, the interim CEO of the Stanton Territorial Hospital Authority was interviewed by CBC Radio regarding transportation for out-of-town patients.

Mr. Speaker, I understand the Stanton Territorial Hospital Authority has a contract with Vital Abel Boarding Home and a local cab company to transport out-of-town patients. My understanding is that the cab company is utilized at 4:30 p.m. The CEO mentioned that only low-risk patients will be transported by the cab company to the boarding home or hospital after 4:30. There are a number of questions that could arise for the Stanton Territorial Hospital, Mr. Speaker. What constitutes a low-risk patient? How will the cab company know what a low-risk patient is? Are the cab drivers prepared for any emergency? Mr.

Speaker, what makes it more frustrating is a low-risk patient is considered as part of the general public. Therefore, they can travel by the local cab company. All patients should be treated as patients, not as the general public. They should be treated with respect and dignity because, after all, they are patients and they are human beings.

Mr. Speaker, another interesting question is whether the boarding home and the cab drivers have the necessary skills to respond to any emergencies to the patient being transported to the boarding home or the medical centre and counter of changing their medical condition.

Mr. Speaker, I don't know if the contract between the Stanton Territorial Hospital Authority and the boarding home and the local cab company require they have at least a standard First Aid certificate. If the contractors don't have this, they should be required to take the standard First Aid course and become certified to react to any emergencies. In closing, Mr. Speaker, a recent tragedy has occurred whereby an out-of-town patient has died. Will it happen again? Maybe, but let's hope not. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Federal Government's Position On Resource Royalties

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1374

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thoroughly enjoyed yelling at the Housing Minister .

---Laughter

I am sure he is used to it.

Mr. Speaker, the more I understand and read on the amount of money that is going out of the NWT in royalties, the more upset I am starting to become and I think the more upset the people of the NWT are starting to become.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

A recent

article in the Edmonton Journal makes a good point. Some of the money that is leaving the Territories, and Ottawa's so-called justification for this money leaving the Territories saying that they pay us more in transfer payments than we get in royalties, that is pretty lame, as far as I'm concerned. We are part of Canada. It is their obligation to look after us like they look after the rest of Canada. Saying that they are giving us more in transfer payments, I think, Mr. Speaker, is a pretty poor excuse.

Saying that they don't want another Alberta with their big heritage fund and them keeping a part of their royalties also stinks. It is a pretty lame excuse, Mr. Speaker. We don't want to be another Alberta. We want to be the Northwest Territories. We want to be able to keep what is rightfully ours.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, this is a subject that I am going to be pushing a lot more because a lot of people in the Territories live in poverty, even though they are working, because of the high cost of living. You can make $50,000 a year and you are considered living in poverty with the high cost of living. That is something that we have to be concerned with, Mr. Speaker. We can't allow this. We don't have a heritage fund. We should have a trust fund. All this money in royalties leaving the Northwest Territories. How much do we have in our trust fund? I bet it is a big fat zero.

Mr. Speaker, I am going to have some questions for Mr. Handley on his meeting with the Prime Minister. Hopefully, we can start doing something to get our royalties because, Mr. Speaker, it is really starting to upset me that we are losing so much bloody money and we have nothing to show for it. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1374

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize today both the chair of NWT Tourism, Robin Witherspoon, and the executive director, David Grindlay, who are here today for the kick-off of

Tourism 2010 - A Tourism Plan for the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Oral questions. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 470-15(4): Canol Heritage Trail

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1375

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of ITI in regards to the Canol Heritage Trail. Would he give me, in the House, an update as to the progression of promoting the Canol Heritage Trail and the wonderful opportunities that exist there? Could the Minister do that for me? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1375

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The development of the Canol Trail Park is one that is very important to our government, I think very important to the people of the Sahtu, and has great potential as a tourism lure going forward. For a number of years now, we have identified funds in the budget. We have been trying to put together a working group to advance the project. I have to acknowledge that we haven't made a lot of headway. The difficult part, of course, is finding the money and we've done that.

There is quite a bit of money identified in this year's budget, if Members will know, from our discussion the other day in Committee of the Whole. We have kicked off discussions again. We are bringing the parties together. It is going to be very important for us and something that we prepare now in the coming months to deliver on. It is very important for us to get out there and spend this money effectively and, in fact, develop this wonderful tourism attraction. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in terms of bringing these people together to form this committee, can the Minister inform me in terms of the involvement from our community members in the Sahtu, like Norman Wells and Tulita, in terms of having the committee come together, because I believe the Canol Heritage Trail has some impact on the Sahtu Dene/Metis land claim? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a commitment arising from the land claim and, of course, the federal government and our government take it very seriously. As I've said, there has been money identified in recognition of the priority that it is. Operationally, we've had difficulty in moving forward, in having the committee generate the work we need it to do. But I think we're on the right foot now. I just saw an e-mail the other day with the superintendent requesting that the parties get back together and kick this off.

In the next year we'd like to be able to have done our work and work with the committee so that we can take the formal steps that we need to take to establish the park in our Territorial Parks Act regulations. But we think that will probably take up to a year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister in terms of the Canol Heritage Trail proposal in terms of his department's support. I appreciate the Minister indicating the e-mail from the superintendent to get things moving now with the Canol Heritage Trail. Would the Minister in terms of having ongoing programs or services to the Canol Heritage Trail in terms of establishing it similar to, a park similar to approximately a band or something in that area in terms of having this park re-establish the Northwest Territories as a major focal point for tourism in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 471-15(4): WCB Assessment Rates For Quick Service Restaurants

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1375

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, my questions this morning are for Mr. Dent as the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board for Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. Can the Minister advise, Mr. Speaker, whether the board of governors of the WCB will be considering the issue of fairness to restaurant owners and their lopsided rate structure, Mr. Speaker?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's important to note, Mr. Speaker, that the governance council is made up of small business owners, employer representatives and workers themselves. So the stakeholders are the ones who make up the governance council and they are the ones who run the WCB. Mr. Braden has asked whether or not they will consider these complaints by the quick service restaurants. I'm advised that the governance council did consider them at their meeting last week and that the chair has offered to meet with the quick service restaurant owners in Yellowknife this week to discuss the outcome of that meeting. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1376

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, why has it taken three years? This group of businesspeople represent quite a number of employees, quite a large chunk of assessment revenue for the Northwest Territories. Why has it taken three years and, of late, fairly vigorous intervention by several MLAs to get the WCB to begin to take their interest seriously? Why has it taken so long?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that would be a great question for the governance council to answer, but I understand that there has been no formal communication. There was no formal communication three years ago asking for an explanation of this, is what I've been advised. I've talked to the governance council about this. It hasn't been something that's come up. The people who are on the governance council are the people who are available to business owners to call and they could have very well put that question to them earlier.

I think that what is perhaps happening is the answers that are being received are not the ones that people want to hear. That may be the situation that we're looking at, rather than having not communicated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

You know, Mr. Speaker, it may well be that once some good communication has been established and some understandings are out there that there will be an agreement on what's fair and where everybody can go. But, Mr. Speaker, the Minister has just sort of posed the next and the most obvious question. What then are the opportunities that the WCB provides to stakeholders, like business owners, who are paying for this system, to be taken before the WCB and to have themselves held accountable? Why does it take, or does it take some informal gathering or connection with a member of the board to have a problem heard?

Is there no regular way for the employers to be heard before the WCB and to hold that board of governors accountable? Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, all that it takes is a formal letter asking for an opportunity to discuss an issue, and the WCB holds public meetings every time they have a board meeting. So there have been public meetings advertised in the paper that have been held in Yellowknife and other communities across the North that business owners and workers could have showed up at to bring their issues to the attention of the governance council if they so wished. So those are the opportunities that are there.

I think that hopefully we will see that the governance council will continue to look for other opportunities to increase the ways in which they can communicate with their stakeholders. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 472-15(4): Tlicho Cultural And Language Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1376

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) My Member's statement was regarding the Chief Jimmy Bruneau School and the statement that he made about strong like two people. (Translation ends)

...program that includes northern aboriginal language, cultural, traditional skills, land claims, and the history of the North. I'd like to ask the Minister of ECE what kind of funding arrangement is in place with the current Tlicho Community Services Agency to deliver cultural and language programming in the Tlicho region. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have the breakdown in dollars for each individual region. In this year's budget, we're proposing $7.5 million that will be spent across the Northwest Territories for aboriginal language and culture. The way in which that is broken out by education authority is based on the number of aboriginal children in each DEC, and it's pretty much done on...It's based on a formula, so a big part of the allocation is by student. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my next question is, how does the current funding reflect the rising cost of fuel that's been here in the North, the high cost of fuel, and the high cost of equipment needed to effectively run these types of cultural programs? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the past two years there's been approximately an eight percent increase in the amount of money in the program across the Northwest Territories. Whether or not that reflects the cost of fuel in this year, I can't say for sure. It probably doesn't, based on how much fuel has gone up. But I'm not sure exactly how much of the proportion of that funding would have to go for fuel. So each of the divisional education councils are going to approach this differently and in some cases it may be adequate for the increases and in other cases it won't. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister identified that the high cost of fuel, he's not sure if it's part of the eight percent increase, but I'd like to highlight that. I guess the question to the department is, is the department willing to work directly with the schools to identify ways to alleviate the high cost to deliver these effective cultural programming to promote even more cultural programs? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listened to the Member's statement today with great interest because he's absolutely right that the students who do the best in our system are those who are immersed in their own language and culture. He is right that we hold up the schools in the Tlicho region as examples for others across the Territories to look at when we talk about success. So, yes, we'd be happy to work with all of our partners in all of the regions to see what we could do to improve our efforts to immerse our students in the aboriginal languages and cultures. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1377

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation . Hay River was happy to learn of an allocation quite some time ago for $1.8 million to build 12 seniors' units in Hay River, six duplexes. It's been a bit of a convoluted trail to get to these units, but some time in November 2005, seniors were expecting to be able to move into these units. It's now the end of February. There's been postponements and delays on a fairly consistent basis. There are seniors who are living in temporary accommodation right now, waiting to move into these units.

I'd like to ask the Minister for an update on when these units are going to be ready for seniors to move into them. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we were hoping to have them completed at the end of this month, but it looks like it's a little behind schedule, so we're hoping to have them opened here shortly. But the dates I had is they were supposed to be open February 28th. Again, we're probably looking at another couple weeks, but I will get that information back to the Member.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1377

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm fairly familiar with the initial delays. There was a change in contractor at some point, but since the second set of contracts were awarded until now, can the Minister just tell us briefly what would be the nature of the problems that were encountered that would have resulted in another six-month delay? Thank you.

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Page 1377

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we did run into some problems with the project earlier on in regard to doing inspections, and finally the work wasn't done enough to par that we had to go back and basically cancel the contract, bring another contractor in to complete the work, and that's why we're a little bit behind schedule. Again, we're hoping to have the units completed. The information I had it was supposed to be completed by the 28th of February, but if it's not, I will check and get the information back to the Member. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation and the LHO have a fairly good idea at this point in time who the 12 candidates are who are moving into these units. Are they taking and making efforts to communicate with them while they're in this period? Some of them are in limbo, out of their own homes, kind of camping from friend to friend and neighbour to neighbour. Will the Minister commit that the local housing authority or the Housing Corporation will be in contact with those individuals to keep them apprised of what's going on and perhaps even offer them some assistance in the interim? Thank you.

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Page 1378

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we'll attempt to check with our Hay River office and also headquarters to make sure that we try to accommodate these people knowing that there was a delay here. Hopefully we can work it out. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Question 474-15(4): Justice Committee Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Just to follow up on my Member's statement last week. I just wanted to ask the Minister of Justice a quick question on the review that the justice committee was going to be conducting for justice committees and the allocation of funding across the NWT. I just want to ask the Justice Minister , what is the status of this review today? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The review is underway and I'm expecting that in the next couple of months we'll be able to come forward and talk about our findings. We have a lot of data, some of which I believe we've shared with the Member. We can talk a lot about the various different communities and the meetings that they're having, the work that they're doing; talk about whether or not they have a full or a part-time coordinator. So we've done quite a bit of research into this, but I think we have to make some conclusions and arrive at some conclusions as to why some committees are more successful than others.

We are funding them in a number of ways. There's some special project funding available for those communities that want to take on additional activities because diversion is what I think we tend to think of, but there are also aftercare initiatives and prevention of crime initiatives. So there are a number of different ways these committees can access money, but we'll know more in the next couple of months.

I should also add that much of the work that we're doing was driven by the motion in the House that the Member put forward, I think it's almost a year ago now, and appreciate his support and his advocacy in this area. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I just want to ask the Minister, when this review does roll out, is there going to be anything in next year's business plan that's going to be taking a lot of recommendations, I guess their own department recommendations, into how they can reallocate some of that money and assure that the communities that are really actively and fully participating in the justice committee work are getting the support mechanisms and the financial arrangements in place that allow them to keep building on that capacity at the community level? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker. As I've indicated, we have a base level of funding for all communities. I think it's $20,000 available to every community, but some communities have levered additional federal money, and also others have applied for special project funding and been successful. I know that two of the communities the Member is responsible for have accessed some special project funding, but I think we're going to have a look at adequacy and look at how our funding is targeted. We do want to make sure that those who are working hard and pushing forward a number of initiatives have the resources they need.

But, having said that, I don't want to diminish that base level of support for all communities. We're trying to encourage those who haven't been as active to get more active, because we think that this is a vital part of our programming. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I guess just one point. Some communities with small populations, like Kakisa for example, the crime rate is very low; very minimal. But they get the same amount of base funding as one of my communities where we have high youth crime rates, and justice committees are really busy and they do a lot of really good work in the community to address the community justice initiatives and carry out the program. It's a very successful program, mind you, Mr. Speaker, but the fact remains that the justice coordinators are severely overworked and the committees are severely overbooked and under funded.

I just don't think it's up to the justice committee, justice coordinators, to scramble and find additional funding from the federal government or anything. I think it should be on the Justice department to assist them to find that extra funding. Give them the ideas of where they can get that money. Is there any avenue for that kind of support mechanism, just information sharing-wise? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, there is, and I think Members know that even the federal money that is flowed to five of the communities in the North who have accessed that comes through our department. I know we've done quite a bit of work in ensuring that money was accessible and available. Mr. Speaker, let me say that I don't think the answer is to look at what I consider a relatively low level of base support for all communities when I talk about $20,000.

To look at that money and talk about reducing that for some communities that aren't very active, I think we want to encourage them to be more active and I don't think $20,000 is, on the whole, a lot of money. But I think what we need to do is look at adequacy, look at the level of activity in some of our more active committees, and ensure that we are there to help them access more funds, because I think that will be the

answer. I await the conclusions, look forward to working with the committee, and again thank the Member for his work in this area. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 475-15(4): GNWT Fiscal Management

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1379

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Finance and it gets back to my Member's statement and the fact that it seems that lately money does grow on trees. The Minister has mentioned they found money in various pockets within FMBS and we've also heard lately of the $525,000 for caribou management. I'm just wondering, I'd like to ask the Finance Minister how he can rationalize finding this money and spending it when just a few short months ago he sent every department scurrying around trying to go through a one percent reduction exercise? I'd like to hear from the Minister how he can rationalize that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of budget reduction scenarios is one that every government would face from time to time, and preferably not face at all. Unfortunately, our situation was, as the Member pointed out, reasons of lower corporate tax income affected us and we had to send departments back to look for some savings for the '05-06 year, as well as the business planning process. For departments, when they come up with new initiatives, if they don't have it from within their existing budget allocation, they would come back to FMB and request the funds and FMB would review those and see if, in fact, their proposal had enough in it to proceed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's been my contention all along that I think this is a flaw in our budgeting process; that when this government wants to go through a reduction exercise, it doesn't have to come and consult with Regular Members on where those reductions should take place, and I think that's something that's flawed in our system. I'd like to ask the Minister of Finance , the $450,000 that's being spent, I'd like to ask him, that contract was sole sourced to an American company. I'm wondering if there was a Canadian company that could have done the work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the money that was allocated for the work to deal with our human resource situation was found from within the organization. Number two, the contract was sole sourced, as I stated, under the review of HR and the fact is this company is tied to the operations of PeopleSoft, which makes sense that we work with them since it is that program that we are having to fix to make sure we can do our jobs properly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's very, very odd that FMBS can just all of a sudden find $450,000 to sole source a contract to an American company; very strange. I'd like to ask the Finance Minister , you know, if we hadn't asked the questions the other day, when was this government going to let Regular Members know that this work was being done and what it costs? The Finance Minister himself, the other day, seemed surprised. I think he said $150,000 then his staff had to advise him that it was $450,000. He himself was surprised at the amount, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. Roland .

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Page 1379

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the timing of when information is forwarded to Members is one following through our process. For example, if departments find money from within their organizations, then if the required reporting

schedule is anything over $250,000 for intra-department transfers is recorded and tabled in this House. So that type of information is provided at that time. If we're seeking larger amounts of money, then it's through the FMB process, which requires the approval and then goes on the supplementary appropriation, then that's the way Members would deal with that, as well, through this House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 476-15(4): Highway No. 1 And No. 7 Improvement Plans

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1379

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My questions are with regard to our Tourism Strategy; however, I'd like to speak to the Minister of Transportation , though. The transportation systems are very important to the development of any part of our economy, to which tourism is one. But we're looking at continuing to push for chipseal for Highway No. 1 and No. 7. Does the Minister have any plans in the capital plan to be looking at this type of initiative, Mr. Speaker?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1379

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is a portion of highway one that's already chipsealed; up to the Fort Simpson-Providence junction. We continue to provide replacement on those sections of that

section of road. There is no plan for further chipsealing of Highway No. 1 from the Providence

-Simpson junction onward, and also we have no plans to do any chipsealing on Highway No. 7. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The other question was, is it at least in the five-year capital plan? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Mr. McLeod.

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Question 476-15(4): Highway No. 1 And No. 7 Improvement Plans

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1380

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, right now capital plan for Highway No. 7 and Highway No. 1 north of the Fort Simpson-Providence junction is to do some major reconstruction in those areas, along with the improvement of drainage and some realignment, minor realignment of that road to ensure that we have a firm base to be able to deal with all the resource development impact that we're expecting over the next while. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I think one of the best ways to capture more tourists for the NWT is by word of mouth. Over the past few years, tours have been complaining about the condition of the road. I know that we're going to spend millions on upgrading it, but will we see in our lifetime any attempt to chipseal the roads, Highway No. 1 and No. 7 towards Fort Simpson on to complete the Deh Cho trail? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . I don't know if that's asking the Minister's personal opinion or not. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, that depends on how long the Member expects to be around.

---Laughter

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, we can fully understand that the Member is very interested in seeing chipseal as part of the capital plans for Highway No. 7 and Highway No. 1. It is in our plan right now to do the first phase of this project, to improve the drainage, improve the foundation. We could not do any of the chipseal until we can improve those areas. We need to have a firm foundation. We did try some pilot projects in the Liard area which did not hold. The terrain, the makeup of the soil was not suitable for that. We have to look at ways that we can improve that. We'd like to be able to do the chipseal.

We have been talking to the pipeline proponent about legacy projects. We have been talking to them about improving the safety and reliability of the road and that includes chipseal. However, until we can find the additional dollars that we need for investment, we can't commit to that. Our dollars right now that are committed for the next fall is for reconstruction of those roads to ensure that we have safety, but they will continue to be gravel roads. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 477-15(4): Human Resource Practices

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1380

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions today for Mr. Roland and everything in my Member's statement today talked about a helping hand approach, not a hand-out technique. So, Mr. Speaker, it's time we share the opportunities before us to everyone. My question to the Minister is, our Human Resources department has now been created. What type of initiatives are being undertaken at this time so we can ensure that we attract and retain qualified work forces in the examples I provided earlier today? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 477-15(4): Human Resource Practices

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Roland .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole area of human resources and how we attract qualified people covers a very broad area. Is it the manner of how we advertise the equivalencies or what's required? That's been an issue that's been brought up on probably countless times in this forum, about whether we're requiring too many specifics or we're being too broad, to general, and, in fact, are we writing a job description to fit an individual?

Those are some of the issues that we've had to deal with and why we've gone towards the human resource service centre process, so that we can be more consistent in how we do that and, as well, how we deal with those who would apply for jobs in the territory. So I think we've started to bring things together and then hopefully time will tell if, in fact, we're following the right path and ensuring we're getting the job done right. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker, I think the opportunity is before us. We have an opportunity to stop giving people a fish and we have an opportunity to start teaching them how to do it on their own. What I mean by that is we can show them where that secret spot of going to create your own opportunities for you. I know we have territorial employees that help people write resumes. I know we have people who go out of their way to ensure that when they write the equivalencies, they take the extra step to ensure their experience and knowledge gets on paper, but, Mr.

Speaker, the ideas I have suggested out there about posting resume samples on the web, interview coaching and maybe even acknowl