Debates of Feb. 10th, 2015

This is page numbers 5409 – 5450 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Introduction Of The Fresh Fish From Great Slave Lake Brand

Progress Statement – Year One Milestones And Accomplishments In The Department Of Lands

South Slave 2018 Arctic Winter Games Bid

New Deh Cho Bridge Regulations

Dredging In The Hay River Area

Nutrition North Program

Expansion Of Energy Efficiency Incentive Programs

Decentralization Policy

Mining Advisory Board

Educational Achievement In Small Communities

Trout Lake School

Willow River Bridge Construction

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Educational Achievement In Small Communities

Licenced Daycare Funding

Decentralization Policy

Dredging In The Hay River

Trout Lake School

Territorial Midwifery Program

Territorial Midwifery Program

Expansion Of Energy Efficiency Incentive Programs

Willow River Bridge Construction

Proposed Amendments To The Public Airports Act

Nutrition North Program

Tabled Document 190-17(5): Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly Pension Administration Report – Retiring Allowances Act And Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act, March 31, 2014

Tabled Document 191-17(5): Correspondence From Alternatives North On The Creation Of The NWT Mining Advisory Board Tabled Document 192-17(5): Correspondence From Ecology North On Mining Industry Advisory Board Representation Tabled Document 193-17(5): Publication (Nature, Vol. 517) Regarding Distrib

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 16, 2015

Bill 44-17(5):

An Act To Amend The Hospital Insurance And Health And Social Services Administration Act

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 137-17(5): Introduction Of The Fresh Fish From Great Slave Lake Brand

Prayer

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, Great Slave Lake is the everyday workplace of a proud community of northern fishers who work tirelessly to harvest some of the best tasting fish in Canada and deliver it year round to the marketplace.

Great Slave Lake represents a huge and sustainable resource. The product offerings are excellent and the stock is healthy and well managed. Yet, most of the fish available to NWT residents in grocery stores and on restaurant menus is imported from southern Canada or elsewhere.

The government’s NWT Economic Opportunities Strategy highlighted the importance of both revitalizing our territory’s fishing industry and encouraging and growing domestic and export markets for NWT products.

In January the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment took a step towards addressing both of these elements of our grassroots economy with the introduction of a marketing and awareness campaign aimed at promoting domestic sales of fresh fish from Great Slave Lake.

The Fresh Fish from Great Slave Lake logo and brand was officially launched at a highly successful simultaneous media event held at the Hay River Super A and Yellowknife Direct Charge Co-op.

In addition to supporting direct sales by industry fishers and NWT storeowners, the new logo and marketing campaign will be used by restaurant owners to promote fresh Great Slave Lake fish on menus.

Mr. Speaker, to further improve opportunities in commercial fishing, we are working with NWT

fishers to find ways to establish effective product distribution systems and ensure security of supply.

Under the Northern Food Development Program, we are working to advance capital, freight subsidies and additional market supports to Great Slave Lake fishers that will allow them to better and more effectively distribute their product to consumers.

It is important to highlight that this program also applies to other fisheries in the territory. For example, one of the crown jewels of the NWT fishery is the pickerel fishery in Kakisa. This fish is highly sought after in both domestic and export markets. We will soon be meeting with producers in the community to determine how to adapt our marketing program to meet their needs and generate greater returns for the community.

We are also developing an entrant strategy to attract new fishers from inside and outside of the NWT to our industry, and we are looking to make key investments to construct a new export grade plant and to help our current fishers modernize their operations

Mr. Speaker, growing the economy is an important part of creating a prosperous territory that gives NWT residents the opportunity to support themselves and their families. We believe that our fishery is an area in which we can realize significant economic growth and we are acting to stimulate a new era of self-sufficiency for the NWT’s fishery, rebuilding it with new markets, new fishers and new infrastructure to return it to the leading economic contributor it once was. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 137-17(5): Introduction Of The Fresh Fish From Great Slave Lake Brand

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Lands , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 138-17(5): Progress Statement – Year One Milestones And Accomplishments In The Department Of Lands

Prayer

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Lands has made significant progress since taking over the management of public land in the Northwest Territories as part of devolution last April.

Much of the department’s progress to date has been due to the hard work of its employees. While

about 75 percent of our positions were filled by existing federal and GNWT staff when devolution came into effect, the remainder of the department’s positions had to be staffed.

Mr. Speaker, April 1st was just the beginning. Since

its creation, the Department of Lands is setting priorities, planning and managing new issues as they arise. As a new department, Lands is responsible for developing or revising policies and frameworks that will guide how we manage and administer land in the NWT. Extensive work has been undertaken to develop policy frameworks for recreational land management, land use planning as well as environmental liabilities and financial assurances. These are not short-term projects, Mr. Speaker, and involve a considerable amount of research, consultation and analysis.

The Department of Lands has engaged with Aboriginal governments, stakeholders and the general public in all regions of the NWT to gather input on a variety of initiatives, and will continue to do so in the future.

One of the first organizational changes to be made in the Department of Lands was the establishment of the liabilities and financial assurances division. I announced the creation of this office last fall. Since that time, the division, with the support of ITI, ENR and the Department of Finance, has been working on a comprehensive policy framework for making decisions related to the nearly $600 million we have in posted securities. As well, work was done to conclude a surety bond for $253 million for the Ekati water licence.

All this while job descriptions were being finalized, staffing actions started and work on an informatics system to manage securities for the entire GNWT was being commenced.

This division has also provided expert advice, support to government-wide decision-making and departmental coordination for significant resource development security reviews.

The transfer of responsibility from the federal to the territorial government for setting up the Surface Rights Board was a major milestone for the GNWT. I expect to announce the appointments to this board by the end of March, with members assuming their substantive functions on April 1, 2016.

At the core of the Department of Lands is the Land Use and Sustainability Framework, and its implementation and monitoring represents one of our key responsibilities. A component of this work includes promoting and supporting effective land use planning in all regions of our territory and developing a land use planning policy framework. A critical step in doing this is engagement. Earlier this month the department hosted an interdepartmental workshop to develop best practices for reviewing and implementing land use plans. In March, external engagement will begin with a forum for

Aboriginal planning partners to allow open dialogue and to develop relationships with our partners.

Mr. Speaker, the department is the home department for the Informatics Shared Service Centre. This division supports Lands; Industry, Tourism and Investment; and Environment and Natural Resources. We are working towards the establishment of the Western Arctic Centre for Geomatics. The centre is an opportunity to improve strategic partnerships between our stakeholders, including Aboriginal governments, federal departments and academic institutions by providing better information, coordinating remote sensing projects and developing operational monitoring programs.

The establishment of this new office in Inuvik will build regional capacity to use remote sensing tools and technology for baseline monitoring that supports economic decision-making and enables ongoing environmental management. This is also a great opportunity to encourage our youth to pursue this type of career path.

All of these major accomplishments occurred while the department was busy doing its “day job” of managing and administering land and resources in the NWT. Lands is managing hundreds of leases and other land dispositions and has conducted over 600 inspections as of December 31, 2014. We have created five regional superintendent positions and set up their associated offices, developed plans for new garage and equipment storage facilities for two regions, conducted a full inventory review and developed a Movable Assets Management Plan for our equipment.

As well, our superintendents and senior inspectors have developed a comprehensive entry level recruitment and training program for our new resource management officer 1 inspector positions. I will have more to say on this later in the session.

Finally, led by our project assessment branch, Lands has also coordinated our government’s input into several large-scale project preliminary screenings and concluded our first decision as the Minister responsible for environmental assessments. This demonstrates our government’s commitment to supporting balanced, responsible development of NWT resources and timely decision-making.

Mr. Speaker, we have a strong and hard working group of employees and I am confident that we will continue to make significant progress on the priorities that have been outlined for Lands. The department is committed to working with all landowners to responsibly and sustainably manage the lands, waters and natural resources of the Northwest Territories for the benefit of current and future generations. That is our mission, because land is life. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 138-17(5): Progress Statement – Year One Milestones And Accomplishments In The Department Of Lands

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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South Slave 2018 Arctic Winter Games Bid

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleague Mr. Bouchard has already spoken about the Arctic Winter Games bid for the South Slave and has done a very good job in describing that, but I thought I would add my voice to that again here in the House today.

Hay River and Fort Smith are in competition for a bid to bring the 2018 Arctic Winter Games to the Northwest Territories South Slave region. One of the hardest working volunteers, Greg Rowe, is the chair of the bid committee, along with a number of Hay River residents who put their heart and soul into impressing the Arctic Winter Games Committee who visited Hay River a few weeks ago.

The fun started with a huge pep rally at the Don Stewart Arena where Steve Campbell and Eddie Smith were again Hay River’s gracious hosts for the evening. The arena was filled with volunteers, business people, family and sports fans all cheering for Hay River and Fort Smith as the committee entered the arena and walked the red carpet to the stage. It was a night of cheering, entertaining and showing off what Hay River and Fort Smith have to offer.

With music blasting and lights flashing, Hay River volunteers entertained the committee, showing a video of sports in Hay River, a video of a skidoo stunt by Curtis King and a personal video message from our very own Brendan Green.

Following the pep rally, many people attended the dinner at the Ptarmigan Inn in honour of the Arctic Winter Games Selection Committee. This was another opportunity to impress the judges with videos describing infrastructure in both communities and a message from Chief Roy Fabian, who offered the use of the nice facilities on the Hay River Reserve, as well, during the Games. His Worship Andrew Cassidy, mayor of Hay River, and His Worship Brad Brake, mayor of Fort Smith, were both eager to spread the good word that we are ready for the Games to be held in the South Slave.

Hay River has hosted the Games before when the town joined then Pine Point in 1978. The 2018 Games would mark 40 years since Hay River last held the event, and we are ready, willing and able to do it again.

I was there 40 years ago when we had the Games and the emblem was the inuksuk. I remember I built

this really awful inuksuk in my front yard out of concrete blocks. But anyway, it wasn’t very artistic.

Mr. Speaker, there were countless volunteers who dedicated many hours preparing the bid proposal as well as entertaining the Arctic Winter Games Committee and organizing the events. I’d like to thank all of those people for their time and enthusiasm, and thank you to the emcees and the volunteers who worked on the pep rally. Also, a special thanks to the Arctic Winter Games Bid Committee and all their volunteers.

Mr. Speaker, we are now awaiting, with our fingers crossed, to hear that we have been the bid that has been accepted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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South Slave 2018 Arctic Winter Games Bid

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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New Deh Cho Bridge Regulations

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Late in December 2014, the Department of Transportation issued a notice regarding the proposed amendments to the Deh Cho Bridge Regulations. These regulations established a legal administrative framework for the tolling system of the Deh Cho Bridge, and with any amendments, they must first undergo a public review.

Registered owners of northbound commercial vehicles over 4,500 kilograms crossing the Deh Cho Bridge are required to pay a toll. Thankfully, private vehicles are not required to pay this toll.

The Minister and department know exactly where I’m going with this today because I believe we are tolling one classification of vehicles wrongly and penalizing a small but influential group in the Northwest Territories. This group is the hardworking small business owners.

Many small business owners, for the purposes of business, buy two-wheel and four-wheel drive trucks. In fact, just drive around the North and spot all the half-ton trucks and three-quarter-ton trucks on the roads with commercial plates. Keep in mind these commercial vehicle trucks travelling northbound on the Deh Cho Bridge in themselves are under the 4,500 kilogram threshold for a toll. However, the moment you attach a trailer, a holiday camper or a boat, you almost immediately cross this threshold.

According to even the basic Ford F-150 regular cab, when equipped properly has a maximum conventional towing capacity of 5,500 kilograms, well above the 4,500 kilogram load for the Deh Cho Bridge toll limit.

So what does this mean, Mr. Speaker? Simple. This is a cash grab from the hardworking small business owners who might be just using their fully legal small business truck to promote tourism, go fishing, go hunting, or maybe help a friend move. So, to the question, what business is it of the

GNWT to single out this one classification of small business owners and expect a $95 toll? What does this accomplish? My suspicion is very little in terms of revenue, but a huge inconvenience for small business owners.

Instead, I challenge the Department of Transportation to use an honour system that small business owners with half-ton and three-quarter-ton commercial trucks. The policy could be simple. They pay a toll when they are indeed crossing the bridge for business purposes and be allowed to use this bridge freely when pulling a boat or trailer or an RV.

Mr. Speaker, you want to lower the cost of living? It starts with tolls that make sense for Northerners. Thank you.

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New Deh Cho Bridge Regulations

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Dredging In The Hay River Area

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise again to speak about dredging in the Hay River area. I think this is, at a minimum, the tenth statement I’ve made on dredging and the requirements of dredging to be done in the Northwest Territories. I’ve made this statement to two different Ministers and to several different departments.

There is no progress in this activity, and it’s frustrating for me and for my colleagues in the area that know that there’s an interest that dredging be done in the Northwest Territories.

This government has indicated that there’s lots of infrastructure money going towards all kinds of roads but very little, if any, going to marine and especially going to dredging.

I’ve had numerous excuses given to me that it’s a federal responsibility, but it’s our government that needs to step up and put a plan together to get dredging done. We have committed and taken our task of building roads. That used to be a federal responsibility alone; now we’re doing two-thirds/one-third. Where is the government’s one-third on dredging to get the federal government to do dredging?

I will have questions for the Minister of Transportation again. Where is the dredging for the Hay River area? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Dredging In The Hay River Area

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Nutrition North Program

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. This government needs to do more to tackle the high cost of living. In the remote communities the cost of food and

household essentials are double or even triple what you pay in Yellowknife. Nutrition North, which is run by the federal government’s department of Aboriginal and northern affairs, has replaced the old Food Mail Program.

In theory, Nutrition North makes healthy food more accessible and affordable. Its key mechanism is a transportation subsidy given to retailers.

A litany of complaints from northern residents and legislators about the program’s effectiveness was the driving force behind the Auditor General’s investigation, which was completed last fall. As many Northerners predicted, the federal government doesn’t know whether northern retailers are passing savings on to consumers. Merchants aren’t required to report their profit margins. The Auditor General advises that this information is essential to determine whether the full subsidy is actually being passed on.

Another question about a component of Nutrition North is that subsidies are applied to foods like bacon and processed cheese spread. These aren’t healthy foods, Mr. Speaker. The Auditor General isn’t the one confirming suspicions of northern residents. An

article in the Canadian Journal of Public Health says that Nutrition North has a flawed reporting structure, which means there’s no meaningful way to gauge its effectiveness.

The federal program isn’t doing an adequate job of offsetting exorbitant food costs. More than that, our own territorial government has a responsibility to tackle food insecurity in our remote northern communities.

I’ll have questions for the Premier at the appropriate time. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Nutrition North Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Expansion Of Energy Efficiency Incentive Programs

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the Christmas season I was helping a constituent with their Energy Efficiency Incentive Program and they were filling out the paperwork and asked me for some advice. I started to look at the Energy Efficiency Incentive Program that was created years ago and, of course, some great work had been done. Included are things such as rebates on washers, refrigerators, freezer chests, wood stoves, lightbulbs, and the list goes on.

But what I happened to quickly notice was there was a glaring gap between the fact that there wasn’t any efficiency program design around insulation, windows and doors. I even wonder why alternative energy isn’t being considered at this particular time.

Most people will tell you, who are familiar with this industry, that the largest part of energy going into

your house is, of course, heating it. Now, we could be talking about power bills here today, but let’s focus in on the efficiency of how you run your house.

If your house isn’t protected from the elements, and that’s certainly the exchange between hot and cold and we certainly live in an area that gets a lot of cold, you have energy seeped out of the windows, through the roof, through the walls, underneath the door. We spend a lot of time worrying about trying to make wood stoves efficient or our furnaces efficient, but why aren’t we making the walls and the roof and the windows and the doors as efficient as possible?

I guess I’m saying this: It has finally come to the realization that instead of worrying about saving pennies – which are very important, by the way – on getting better faucets and toilets, we should be looking at the fact that we could help Northerners save dollars and hundreds of dollars by better insulating their homes.

Many homes will cost thousands of dollars to increase the insulation on their house to improve the envelope to ensure that they’re using their energy more efficiently and wisely. I think it’s time that this government starts to realize that we could be helping Northerners through insulation programs, window programs, door programs and certainly alternative energy programs such as solar.

Just to wrap this up, we do have people in the Northwest Territories that make a big commitment. I was in Hay River not that long ago and I was speaking to somebody who makes windows, and I was speaking to someone here in Yellowknife who does doors, and they do local products in Yellowknife even such as insulation. We have northern people coming forward with northern solutions in our northern climate that can help every Northerner across our territory. Let’s now take a review of this particular program and add the biggest bang for our buck. Help Northerners save where it matters most.

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Expansion Of Energy Efficiency Incentive Programs

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Decentralization Policy

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to spend some time today talking about decentralization. I’ve been pretty much silent on the subject to date, but I can no longer be silent. I have grave misgivings about this policy and its implementation.

We have only to look eastward to Nunavut where they are reversing their previous actions and bringing positions back to Iqaluit. Why? Because decentralization is not working. I appreciate the intent of the policy, but, and it’s a very large but, I

cannot condone the current mindset around the implementation of the Decentralization Policy.

The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment proudly announced last week that three more positions had been decentralized. Two of those three positions have incumbents. Premier McLeod stated yesterday in relation to this policy that, and I quote from Hansard from yesterday, “It’s a program decision.” He went on to say, and I quote again from page 63 of unedited Hansard, “It’s what’s in the best interests of fulfilling this decentralization priority of this government.”

That tells me that decentralization is nothing more than a numbers game for the government and that it is decentralization at any cost. But there are costs associated, both financial and personal.

It seems to be quite acceptable to make a position more expensive through decentralization. Yet, in the same breath the government states that our financial situation is not sustainable. There’s more than a bit of controversy in that. The Minister of Finance has said that our fiscal situation demands action, that we must leave no stone unturned. Well, this is a stone we must turn over and look beneath.

There’s also a personal cost, one which apparently is not a factor, considering the Premier ’s comments yesterday. How many families have been uprooted since we started this initiative? How many are still in the public service? How many have left the NWT? Does the government know? Does the government care?

For the sake of adhering to a policy, we are willing to lose experienced, competent, long-term employees, willing to lose their corporate knowledge, willing to throw away the investment and training that we have in them. The government’s population strategy looks to increase our population. The current callous application of the Decentralization Policy will see people leaving the North.

We say we value our employees, but recent actions completely refute that.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Decentralization Policy

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

It’s a completely different situation if the position being moved is vacant or a new position. In that case, there are no people to be uprooted, no families thrown into turmoil. That should be the government’s thinking. It can be like reducing staff costs through attrition. The only positions that should be considered for decentralization should be those which are vacant or new positions.

I will have questions for the Premier at the appropriate time.

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Decentralization Policy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Decentralization Policy

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As much as I’d like to do a rebuttal to the Member’s statement, and the importance… Actually, I will.

This government is focused on increasing the health and the wellness of people across the Northwest Territories. As a fact, increasing our economy, increasing our skill force, increasing our education and our health care systems in the regions through the Northwest Territories, and I believe this government’s been doing a great job in decentralizing the jobs in the communities, bringing families to communities.

In Inuvik alone I know that the opening of a couple offices has helped the small businesses, the local businesses, helped the daycares, which I was going to talk about today actually, but under this statement I know that the importance of decentralizing, looking at places throughout the Northwest Territories whether it’s the Beaufort-Delta with the Inuvik-Tuk highway, the Mackenzie Valley Fibre Optic Link, up and down the valley corridor in terms of investing in our people and investing in the projects, the road and other issues along those lines, looking at our schools, looking at our health centres that people in the small communities speak up so much about, our health care system, our nurses that we don’t have in eight of our communities.

So I think what the government is doing in trying to create a Decentralization Policy, that is not only going to help people across the Northwest Territories, it’s going to help people here in Yellowknife as well. It’s going to open up better communications in how things are working in the small communities and in the regions.

So, like I said, I was going to speak on licenced daycares today, but I honestly couldn’t bite my tongue on this one and I do have to speak up for the people in the regions, speak up for the people in the small communities and speak up for people that need the programs, need the services, need the jobs so that they too can have a lifestyle. Thank you.

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Decentralization Policy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Mining Advisory Board

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A mining advisory board to “provide advice to government to ensure mining regulation is in place that encourages economic growth while maintaining high regulatory, environmental and social standards.” To quote the Minister of ITI ’s press

release seems a worthwhile exercise. However, digging deeper, I find that the board will be comprised of only ministerially appointed people with “direct experience in the NWT minerals industry.”

The Mineral Development Strategy itself was developed by an industry panel. The Minister three times chose to ignore public interest policy input, despite committee insistence that it be considered. The Minister is now extending this lack of respect for public interest to the appointment of an industry panel to further guide public government action, which to date seems to consist of ever more subsidies for the industry.

A similarly misguided approach to mineral development in the past has left us with a depleted environment, billions of dollars in transferred cleanup costs to the public, uncompensated cultural costs to Aboriginal residents and unmeasured impacts in health costs to residents. Clearly, having a mining advisory board comprised exclusively of industry representatives will continue this business-centred path and ignores even industry’s basic understanding of the requirement to meet the public interest in their exploitation of public resources.

We need a broader base of public voices on this board. If the board is to meet the Minister’s goals of representing regulatory environmental and social standards, these perspectives need to be represented along with the mining industry at the table.

Multi-stakeholder boards that truly represent a broad range of interests are valuable tools. Case in point is the NWT Protected Areas Strategy Steering Committee, which includes the NWT and Nunavut Chamber of Mines and the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers. Without representation from environmental and social representatives, the advice of the mining board will not reflect the broad public interest necessary to re-establish the social licence and performance standards the public rightly expects of industry. In fact, the NWT and Nunavut Chamber of Mines already provides this lobbying service to the Minister and does not need to be duplicated.

Is it too much to ask that this government think in terms of lessons learned in today’s modern understanding of responsible, sustainable development?

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Mining Advisory Board

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Is it too much to ask that this government think in terms of lessons learned in today’s modern understanding of responsible, sustainable development? A mining advisory board that doesn’t include members that bring Aboriginal government, social and environmental perspectives

to the table will fail to meet public interest yet again. Mahsi.

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Mining Advisory Board

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Colleagues, before we continue I’d like to welcome back to the House former Member, former Premier , Mr. Jim Antoine in the House today.

---Applause

The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Educational Achievement In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning I was looking at some of the stats that I’ve been compiling, and one of the most frightening stats that I picked up and started to read had to deal with the shocking report that the Department of Education had compiled. It has to do with our future of the Northwest Territories and our small communities, and it’s startling and it’s frightening. I was wondering: how do we work on this and get this to be something that we can celebrate? It has to deal with the results that the consultants found in our children in our small communities.

The results were showing that 50 percent of our kids who are now, today, at this time, in our schools, in our small communities in the Northwest Territories operating 50 percent lower than what they should be at. That is doing an injustice to our kids who are… We are sending them to school knowing that this is the fact, that as politicians, as leaders, this is what we’re allowing.

We are telling them, out of the goodness of our heart, to go to school, get the grades, because there’s going to be jobs out there when you’re done. The job may not be in your community. If you look at the unemployment rates in all our small communities, it is not a very good picture, unless you’re living in Norman Wells or you’re living in Simpson, Hay River or Yellowknife because you’ve got a better chance at working.

Yellowknife’s employment rate is 79 percent. It’s 75 percent in Norman Wells. But if you go to Deline or to Fort Good Hope, it’s less than 50 percent. So there’s a 50/50 chance that you’ll get a job there. If you don’t, well, the government will take care of you through the Income Assistance program, unless you go to university or college, and then you have to get maybe a Master’s program to get into your required program. So, we’re in trouble, Mr. Speaker.

I’ll have questions for the Minister later on.

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Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Trout Lake School

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I rise once again to advocate for the new stand-alone school for the community of Trout Lake. Currently, the department is assessing the facilities and even leaning towards renovations. This is not acceptable to the community.

I’m pleased that during the Nahendeh tour in December of 2014, our Premier and the Minister of Transportation were able to see that one room schoolhouse in the current community centre. A little partition was put up last year, but I’m sure that the Ministers will concur that this is still like the one room schoolhouses that some of our parents went to, instead of a modern school.

The chief and leadership of Trout Lake always advocated strongly that to develop and prepare our youth for the future, they need a strong educational foundation. That can only be done with a new stand-alone school that has adequate teaching space and modern teaching aids for the many grade levels that are taught there. The elders even noticed this, and they tell me it is distracting when they have to teach multi grades when you have kindergarten to Grade 9 in the same room.

Our Statistics Bureau tells us that Trout Lake’s growth rate, therefore more students, is more than 6 percent a year for the past 10 years. I believe by the next school year the school will be at maximum capacity, so the Department of Education must act now that the future of the educational needs of Trout Lake will be addressed.

Our government has spent a lot of money building superschools and expensive improvements in larger centres. It is time we start focusing on small communities. They need stand-alone schools with all the modern teaching aides. These schools are too small for their student populations. I have pointed out time and time again of how this affects the ability of the students to learn and the ability of the teachers to teach effectively.

I call on the Education Minister to adjust the capital plan. The last one I saw calls for a new school in Trout Lake to begin in 2018-19. We simply must move this project up on our priority list.

I look to the support of this Cabinet to address the need for a new school for Trout Lake in this year’s capital planning process. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Willow River Bridge Construction

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is on the Willow River in Aklavik.

Last year at this time, our Department of Transportation gave a contribution to the community to purchase a bridge that’s needed for this project, and I really thank the department for that. But the job is not done yet.

We still need funding to put that bridge in place by the end of this season. We have just over two months to have that bridge in place, and I’m hoping that the department will continue to work with the community to ensure we have the proper funding in place to make sure that that project is completed.

I will have questions for the Minister later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Willow River Bridge Construction

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Nadli .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker… [Translation] Today we have a few people here. I want to say in my language, thank you for being here. We have to work with them for several years. Some of them are chiefs; some of them are still young and there are new people, young people are with them. So, I want to say thank you for being here with us. They’re here for a meeting. So, thank you for being here. [Translation ends]

…the leaders, led by Grand Chief Herb Norwegian, plus all the leaders and the elders who are here as well. My colleague, MLA for Nahendeh, is going to share the responsibility of trying to recognize all of our delegates from the Dehcho First Nations. The delegates are meeting here for a couple days, so they’re meeting at the Ski Club and their hope is to have their meeting in town and also, at the same time, meet with the Premier as well.

I’d just like to recognize the delegation: Grand Chief Herb Norwegian, Chief Ted Lennie, Chief Lloyd Chicot, Fort Providence Metis president James Christie, Fort Simpson Metis president Marie Lafferty, Chief Michael Matou, Chief Joachim Bonnetrouge, and also Chief Gladys Norwegian. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My colleague Mr. Menicoche will also recognize a few people. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to welcome the Dehcho First Nations along with Grand Chief Herb Norwegian. I wish them every success in their meetings this week. Also to the chiefs that my colleague did mention, but I’ll recognize the other delegation that we have travelling with the Dehcho First Nations this week: elder Gabe Hardisty; elder Sarah Chicot; councillors Ted Cayenne and James Cayenne; from Fort Providence, John McLeod; elder Jonas Lafferty from Fort Simpson; elder Leon Konisenta

from Nahanni Butte; elder Samuel Elleze from Providence; elder Yvonne Norwegian from Jean Marie River; and a special welcome to Chief Steven Jose, councillor Cheryl Cli and councillor Jonathan Tsetso of Liidlii Kue First Nations. Also travelling with them are various staff: Alison dePelham, Sarah McLeod, Greg Nuyli, Violet Jumbo, Mary Jane Cazon, Chris Reid, Patrick Scott and also the acting band manager of Wrigley, Ms. Ria Letcher. I would also welcome the former MLA of Nahendeh and Premier , Jim Antoine, to the gallery here today.

When I was coming over here yesterday, I was speaking with Jonas Lafferty and I said, when I welcome you here, your name is forever going to be in Hansard, even 100 years from now. So, that’s the same for everybody. Welcome.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Mr. Moses .

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to welcome and recognize Ms. Crystal Fraser. She is a PhD candidate. She is undertaking her PhD in Canadian history at the University of Alberta, and actually, she was just recently up in Inuvik where she presented her research on the history of education and residential schools in the Mackenzie Delta region. I believe she also visited Fort McPherson, Tsiigehtchic and Aklavik. I just want to welcome her to the House and congratulate her on her research and wish her the best of luck in her studies.

I’d also like to welcome all of the Dehcho leadership and their staff as well. Welcome.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased to recognize my oldest brother, John McLeod, as well as Grand Chief Herb Norwegian and all of the Dehcho First Nations delegation.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Bouchard .

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize two constituents: Ted and James Cayenne from West Point, as well as Grand Chief Norwegian. Obviously, good to see him. We’ll probably see him this summer at some auctions, and some others. Lloyd Chicot, a good friend. Good to see them, and all the leaders from the Deh Cho.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the great things about getting older is I realize how enriched my life is by knowing so many wonderful people and Northerners, but one of the perils are my eyes aren’t so good looking into the gallery. I’m going to try to recognize some of the folks I do see, so I apologize to anyone I miss. Certainly, Grand

Chief Herb Norwegian, Chief Tim Lennie, Chief Lloyd Chicot, I believe James Christie, president, Chief Michael Matou, Chief Joachim Bonnetrouge, Chief Gladys Norwegian, Acting Chief Steve Jose, Violet Jumbo, Ria Letcher, Patrick Scott, and certainly Jim Antoine. I’d like to say, of course, hello to councillor Cheryl Cli, as well, at large, everyone up there I may have missed. Thank you for coming today.

The last thing I’ll say as I close is I don’t quite agree with everything my Yellowknife colleague said about decentralization, and I’ll leave it at that.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too, along with my colleagues Mr. Moses , Mr. Nadli , Mr. Menicoche and also the Premier , would like to recognize people in the gallery. I want to first recognize Ms. Crystal Fraser on her achievement of working towards her PhD and her studies. I had a good discussion with her on the residential schools in the North, so good luck with that, Crystal. Good to see young northern Aboriginal people go this far in their academics to get a doctorate degree, so good luck.

At the same time, I’d like to recognize Grand Chief Herb Norwegian with his delegation, the Dehcho government, coming to look at our government here. Maybe one day we would return the favour and listen to your proceedings. Also, at the same time, there are family members in the Dehcho leadership that are close to me, Mr. Lennie, Mr. Bonnetrouge and Mr. Chicot. I want to say welcome to the proceedings. Also, to the staff members from the Dehcho leadership. Good to see people in the gallery today and watching over us.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

I’d like to welcome here today Mr. David Jones, our Conflict of Interest Commissioner, in the House today with us.

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the presence in the gallery of 10 young men and women who are visiting us this week. They are participants in the Ontario Legislature Internship Program. I know you will join me in welcoming Clare Devereux, Christine Eamer, Justin Khorana-Medeiros, Emily Hewitt, Kristy May, Kristen Neagle, Patrick Sackville, Jakup Sikora, Mathew Stanton and Aaron Van Tassel. Welcome to the Northwest Territories, and I hope your enjoy your visit to our Legislature.

Also, I’d like to welcome everybody here in the Legislative Assembly. Thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings here today. Thank you for coming.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . In my Member’s statement I talked about the quality of education in our small communities, especially with the fact of finding that our students are not at the same level as our southern students on their education.

I want to ask the Minister what he is doing to bring these numbers up so that we know that our students are getting a quality education and that they can bring the level up to a number that we can be proud of.

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Member is raising an excellent point where we need to do something about our quality of education across the Northwest Territories. That’s part of the reason why we’re developing various initiatives such as the Early Childhood Development Framework, not only that but the whole Education Renewal and Innovation. So those are the two big key factors that we’re implementing within our department. It’s going to take some time. There is a short-term, a mid-term and also long-term arrangements as well. There are quite a few activities that will be happening and we’re engaging the communities, as well, on this particular, very important initiative. Mahsi.

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. We certainly look forward to it. I’ve been wanting to ask the Minister of Education … The chief from Tulita, Chief Frank Andrew, talked about the quality of education in our communities and then he noted that at one time when the students finished Grade 12, they finished with a Grade 12. Today we question the Grade 12s who are finishing school.

I want to ask the Minister, is there a way that we are looking at today that when our students finish they do not have to go to Aurora College to upgrade to get into a post-secondary institution. Will our students really complete with a Grade 12, truly a Grade 12 that we can say yes, that’s a quality education we want to give them?

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. When I first got elected in 2007, the Member invited me to his riding in the Sahtu region. We did visit the communities and we listened to the elders and the community members about this particular subject where individuals completing Grade 12 still had to upgrade and I’ve listened carefully. Based on that feedback we’ve done a lot of research across the

Northwest Territories. Yes, it’s true that the smaller communities are somewhat disadvantaged compared to larger regional centres. So those are the very reasons why we’re establishing a very heavy workload within the Education Renewal and Innovation that will certainly capture those small communities that may be lagging behind on these particular subject areas. So, we’re serious about this initiative. Mahsi.

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Yesterday I had an exchange with Mr. Premier about the different things we can do in our small communities. This morning I was talking to a resident in Tulita that said I finished Grade 7 but today I have a successful business in Tulita. That’s what I’m looking for in our schools. More of that type of leadership education in our schools where kids today can just do what they have to do to be successful, successful thinking in the schools. That’s where I’m looking.

Is that something the Minister is looking at in regard to education in the North?

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. Yes, most definitely those are a mix of the discussions that we are currently having as part of our Education Renewal and Innovation. Certainly, individuals may not be ready or entering the college avenue. We want to give them the tools to enter into workforce development or other opportunities that may arise as well. So, those are discussions that we’ve had with the regional representatives. When we did our forum across the Northwest Territories, we did listen and we are making drastic changes within our Education Renewal and also the Early Childhood Development Framework that will capture those key areas that the Member is referring to as well. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this has been our last operations and maintenance budget, given that we have just under 300 days for the election to be called.

Will we see anything in the life of this government to know that we’re making some measurable strides to achieve what we want to achieve with our young people in our communities that are attending our education institutions?

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Yes, the quickest answer will be most certainly. There will be some things that will happen within the three-year timespan starting immediately. We’ve touched base on improving academic achievement of all Northwest Territories students, increased the number and quality of NWT graduates – that’s what the Member is referring to – improved literacy and numeracy skills of all students, helped prepare them for employment, as well, or further their education after high school.

Mr. Speaker, these are just some of the areas that we’ve tackled. We’ll continue to work with the First Nations, the community governments, because it all takes partnership, working with the college, as well, as high schools. So, all these parties are involved as well. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 586-17(5): Educational Achievement In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to follow up with questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment as well. When we talk about educating and getting our residents out into the real world with a quality education, it’s all got to start somewhere and where that starts is with early childhood development. Specifically with licenced daycare organizations that we work with, this government funds licenced daycares.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , when was the funding policy on how we fund licenced daycares last reviewed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The last overall review that we’ve undertaken was in 2007. With these different policies that are in place, we’ve talked about conducting a thorough review, and that’s been identified as part of the Early Childhood Development Framework and Action Plan that’s been presented to us by the selected groups as well.

Through the educational childhood programing, we’ve also talked about allocation of funding, and those are some of the discussions we are currently having. But the last changes in the review have taken place in 2007. Mahsi

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

That brings up concerns. So, over the last eight years we’ve been following a policy for the way we fund our daycares the same way, and in that time, whether the funding pot that we’ve had, we’ve also had an increase in daycare operators throughout the Northwest Territories. I see that in the budget address there’s $1.12 million that’s being allocated to early childhood to improve childhood outcomes. A lot of that money is going into wages and training.

I’d like to ask the Minister, when he’s looking at putting those out into the communities, can he take a look at where we have the highest cost of living or where there’s the greatest need to put these dollars, whether it’s here in Yellowknife, whether it’s in Fort Smith or in Inuvik, where there’s the highest need for the increases and the distribution of these funds. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, that is exactly what we will be doing. There are funds that have been identified as part of a child and family resource centre that we’re fully aware of. Not only that but there’s also a public awareness of the overall importance of early childhood development throughout the Northwest Territories. We’ve allocated some funds towards that as well. There are also iPads for new parents. There is the early learning framework. The framework that we’ve been working on for a number of years now, now it’s ready to roll out. Also, the ECD symposium.

It would involve all the stakeholders across the Northwest Territories. Also, there are scholarships for students that are pursuing early childhood development programming. We are providing funding to those individuals as well.

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

The reason I ask if they look at priority regions and communities is if we put this back in this formula funding that we’ve been using since 2007, that means all regions would get a share of the pie, I guess, and it’s based on enrolments. You might have a region or a community that might not have high enrolments in daycares when this Junior Kindergarten came into effect, because now we’re getting more people out of the daycares, so it’s definitely affecting enrolments, so I’m glad that he’s doing that.

One area that I want to touch on with the daycares is these inspections. There was a news report that was given out not too long ago and why these inspections are not made public. If you or I or anybody that wants to put a child in daycare, we want to make sure that daycare is safe, it is healthy and it is adequate for our residents.

Can the Minister let us know why these inspections aren’t made public?

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

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inspection, it is done on an annual basis. My department is also currently developing a way to share the inspection reports with the public with respect to accessing information. We still have to work with the process with the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. We are currently working at that level within the department. We’re making improvements along the way and this is one of the areas as part of our communication dialogue.

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last two years our population has decreased, and if it wasn’t for births and some of the people moving in, it would have a drastic effect on us. In the small communities it’s having a drastic effect on licenced daycare facilities.

I’d like to ask the Minister, are there any other subsidies that some of our daycares can access

that will help them keep the doors open, keep the lights on and provide a service for our families, our parents in the communities?

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

In addition to a direct subsidy that the Member is referring to, we also provide daycare operators and also residents. Residents may also be eligible to helping out with the offset of the costs of daycare. It’s just part of the options that we work with across the Northwest Territories. There’s also income assistance child care allowance that is provided as financial support to parents so that they can participate in the labour force and pursue education or training opportunities. Those are just some of the areas that we continue to push forward as part of our subsidy towards the daycare operators. We’ll do what we can to offset the costs as well.

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Question 587-17(5): Licenced Daycare Funding

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Premier today. At the outset I would like to clarify, I never in my statement indicated that I was against decentralization. I am against how we are implementing the policy, and I challenge Members to read Hansard tomorrow and tell me where I said that I am against the Decentralization Policy.

My first question to the Premier is to ask the Premier what criteria are used to determine a position to be decentralized.

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The criteria that we use are to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of programs and services that are delivered by this government.

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I challenge the Premier to prove to me that we are improving the efficiency of programs and services when we remove long-standing employees from the position where they have become quite proficient.

To the Premier , I’d like to know what analysis has been done of the actions taken with regard to decentralization to date. What are the results from, I think it’s phase one and phase two that we’ve completed at this point of the decentralization plan? How many positions were vacant? How many were vacant or new positions? How many employees did we lose? How many employees left the NWT taking our $25,000 per person federal grant with them?

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I’m pleased to say that we have decentralized 150 jobs to the regions and to the communities. We have a retention policy so that any employees that are affected were incumbents

of decentralized positions that would prefer to remain in their existing position are given priority hire so that they can stay in their community of choice. They have the benefit of getting priority hire, so I don’t believe we’ve lost any employees that have moved to the South because of decentralization.

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I would presume we haven’t done any analysis since there was no reference to that, and I would encourage the Premier to do that.

It’s one thing to ask somebody to take another job, but when they are happy in their job and they’re good in their job, why are we forcing them to move into a job that they maybe don’t enjoy?

I’d like to ask the Premier , considering our current fiscal situation and the need to reconcile our expenses and our revenues, how can the Premier and Cabinet justify increasing the cost of some person years just to decentralize?

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

When we look at the benefits from decentralization, we have to take other elements into consideration such as diversifying the economy, sharing the wealth and also the fact that we are investing in the Northwest Territories. We have committed to spending $21 million over three years to build additional housing in remote communities so that we can have houses and office space for positions in the smaller communities.

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Premier for that, and I think those are all good things. Providing housing and providing office space is definitely a good thing.

I’d like to ask the Premier if he has considered the recent actions of Nunavut, that they are reverting from decentralization back to centralizing some of their programs and services and people in Iqaluit. Have we as a government taken a look at why their decentralization did not work or are we blindly going down the same path?

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As a government, we have taken a very strategic approach to decentralization. We have taken a very measured and conservative approach as opposed to we’re not moving whole departments holus-bolus from Yellowknife to a small, isolated community. We are taking a very strategic, measured approach so that at the end of the day when we have completed decentralization, decentralization will continue into the near future, at least the next two or three years, that we’ll see that decentralization has been very successful in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 588-17(5): Decentralization Policy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 589-17(5): Dredging In The Hay River

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions, again, will be to the Minister of Transportation on the dredging issue. Can the Minister indicate to me what communications have been done with the federal government to get dredging done in the Northwest Territories and the Hay River area?

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Question 589-17(5): Dredging In The Hay River

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 589-17(5): Dredging In The Hay River

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our officials have had a meeting with the Canadian Coast Guard and encouraged them to meet with the CMAC and the AMAB, they are two organizations, I guess, known as the Canadian Marine Advisory Council and the Arctic Marine Advisory Board, to see if there can be some dredging done on the Hay River and along the route up the Mackenzie. Thank you.

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Can the Minister elaborate on these meetings and how many meetings have happened and when do we expect results to say that this is what we expect to happen over the next little while, over the next two years, 10 years, whatever the expectations are? We’d like to know at least an action plan going forward about the Hay River dredging.

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Question 589-17(5): Dredging In The Hay River

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Transportation

This was our officials in a telephone conference call talking to the Canadian Coast Guard, asking them to meet with the Arctic and Canadian Marine Advisory boards since they had responsibility for that. It’s not something where our officials are meeting directly with individuals that would be responsible for dredging, but rather encouraging one of the key users of the river to meet with these organizations to try to get some money put into the budget. Thank you.

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you. Talking about money, I indicated in my Member’s statement that we have built a major highway and we’ve put money into it. We know that’s a federal responsibility, but we know that in order to get some of this stuff going we need to have the leverage.

So, has the Minister talked about us looking at putting some money in to leverage the federal government to get this dredging done?

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Question 589-17(5): Dredging In The Hay River

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Transportation

No, we haven’t offered up any money to our share of any dredging. What we do know is that the federal government is not dredging the harbour in Hay River. They haven’t had a dredging program since the early ‘90s, late ‘80s. Since then we’ve had a little bit of money at one point. I think in 2012 there was $60,000 allocated to remove some of the silt from a key area. But aside from that, essentially the dredging

program has been non-operational for the years. It would take some money, for sure, to get the dredging operational again. The dredging equipment that was being used previously at the Hay River Harbour was sold to the municipality. We’ve never been able to get that equipment operational again for the work that was needed on that harbour in Hay River. Thank you.

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Question 589-17(5): Dredging In The Hay River

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bouchard .

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These are answers I’ve heard before. I want to know what the Minister, just recently in Ottawa, did to have a conversation with the federal government to get dredging done.

What meetings did he hold in Ottawa to get this dredging issue dealt with?

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Question 589-17(5): Dredging In The Hay River

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Transportation

Thank you. The responsible Minister is the Minister responsible for Fisheries and Oceans that would have completed the dredging if there was dredging to be done. I didn’t meet with Fisheries and Oceans. I met with the Minister of Infrastructure, Minister of Transportation , Minister responsible for Northern Development. In one discussion I had with the Minister of Transportation I mentioned that dredging in Hay River is needed as part of the transportation out of there, but it’s not her responsibility. We need to engage the Minister responsible for Fisheries and Oceans. If they were to look at dredging, it would be coming from that department. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Earlier in the day I spoke about the need to replace the school in Trout Lake. I know that the Department of Education is currently assessing the facility and I also spoke about the Premier and Minister of Transportation going to Trout Lake, but the Minister himself has been to Trout Lake and indeed seen the school for himself. I know that they’re doing an assessment as we speak.

So I would like to ask the Minister if there’s a current report completed for the assessment of the school in Trout Lake. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Education , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since we visited the community with Member Menicoche, also the district education council, we’ve toured the school facility and we know the condition of it. So we’ve been talking about how we can proceed with the planning study. The planning study is underway, 2014-15 year, and

it will provide us with a needs analysis, operational plan and also recommend the scope of work.

At the same time, an education plan began in May 2014 and the report is now complete as of June 2014. That provides us more data on the particular analysis and operation plan as well. Mahsi.

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. The Minister spoke about the completion of the planning study. Just for clarification, does he mean that will be completed by the end of March of this year? Thank you.

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. That is part of the plan. If we can get it done sooner than that, that will be our priority as well as the department, working with Member Menicoche, how we can expedite this process as well. Mahsi.

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. I certainly look forward to the results of that study and sharing it with the community. I know that the community of Trout Lake and I have always advocated for a replacement stand-alone school.

I’d like to ask the Minister what his department can do to move forward with a new replacement school. Thank you.

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

That is in the works. I’ve touched on the planning study and also the educational plan. That will give us the data analysis that we need to move forward as part of the capital planning process. There is a capital planning process that every department is entitled to go through that, so we’re doing what we can to push the Trout Lake school as part of the capital planning process. This will give us more ammunition to move that forward as part of the process. Mahsi.

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. There were some repairs needed for that building that the school is currently in.

Are there any plans to ship any repair material up the winter road currently? Thank you.

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. Within the capital plan, ‘15-16, obviously there’s $423,000 that’s earmarked as part of the proposal for Charles Tetcho School as part of the renovation to existing building space to provide adequate instructional space. I’ve been working with the Member on this. So we’re moving forward on that.

Yes, we’re fully aware that the community wants a stand-alone school. So that is the overall long-term plan and I need to work with the community as well. Mahsi.

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Question 590-17(5): Trout Lake School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services today. During the last session I asked questions about the rollout of the Midwifery Program. At that time the Minister indicated that two positions in Hay River were filled and going live in early 2015, which I understand has happened, and the department was actively recruiting to refill a midwife position in Fort Smith. So my first question is about Fort Smith.

Can we get an update on whether that long-vacant position in Fort Smith has been filled? Mahsi.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Unfortunately, the position in Fort Smith is still not filled. We’ve attempted to go out and recruit that position a number of times and every recruitment activity has proved unsuccessful. We are intending to fill the position and we continue to go out and recruit and we hope that we do find somebody to fill that position in short order.

At the same time, we have filled the two positions in Hay River. That program has started. They’ve already started meeting with clients and we anticipate that the midwives in Hay River could be facilitating a birth in the community as soon as this month. Thank you.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister. The Minister also indicated last session that the Department of Health and Social Services was consulting with the people in the Inuvik/Beaufort-Delta region, gathering their thoughts about the Midwifery Program. The Minister related that there were a number of challenges and concerns, but he was working through those with the Beau-Del authority.

Can he explain or tell the House when the Midwifery Program in the Beau-Del will be implemented? Mahsi.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

We have had some preliminary meetings with staff in the Beaufort-Delta who have been involved in this type of program or who might be involved in birthing services at this time. As the Member has indicated, there have been some challenges raised with the delivery of midwifery services in the Beaufort-Delta. To that end, we are looking at envisioning how we are approaching midwifery services in the Beaufort-Delta.

Originally when we came forward, there was a multi-part plan which included set up midwifery services in Hay River, move midwifery services to Beaufort-Delta and then move forward with a territorial program here in Yellowknife. We’re

looking at re-envisioning that model and tweaking it a little bit. I had sent the Standing Committee on Social Programs some details about moving forward with a modified plan so we could get a greater degree of midwifery services in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks again to the Minister. On May 6, 2011, the Minister temporarily suspended the successful but understaffed Midwifery Program in Yellowknife, Ndilo and Detah. Rather than choosing to staff the program appropriately, the Minister of the day simply suspended the program, leaving half of our residents in the Northwest Territories with no Midwifery Program at all. After four years, this suspension seems to have become a permanent cancellation.

When will the Minister fulfill the promise and reinstate, in an improved format, the highly valued and much missed Midwifery Program for Yellowknife, Ndilo and Detah? Mahsi.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Just for clarity, the Midwifery Program that was in Yellowknife was never funded. It actually never had core dollars to fund that program. It was funding the authority had taken out of other programs in order to create midwifery services.

I’m still committed to midwifery services, I always have been, which is one of the reasons we are looking at re-envisioning how we roll out midwifery services over the next couple of years.

As I indicated, we had planned to move forward with Beaufort-Delta. Things look like they might be changing. There have been some alternate proposals submitted to us on how to deliver services to the Beaufort-Delta, including one position that could be a nurse practitioner to be an educator, mentor for community health nurses and support them as well as support the physicians who happen to be located in the community.

What we would like to do is move forward with a territorial model based out of Yellowknife beginning planning in 2015-16 so we could have a full rollout in 2016-17 and midwifery services. We envision it as being a multi-part program, the territorial program, and it would be reasonable to locate that program out of Yellowknife in order to enable a broader scope of services to the women who may utilize those services.

It would also be a program that could support all communities throughout the Northwest Territories by providing expertise, guidance to community health nurses who happen to be involved with the pre- and postnatal services throughout the Northwest Territories.

The second part would actually be supporting birthing in Yellowknife for individuals who wish to have midwifery support in Yellowknife. So, a multi-part program. I have sent a letter outlining this

opportunity to the Standing Committee on Social Programs, and before we move in that direction I am looking forward to their feedback and support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I appreciate that. I look forward to that getting in place with the timing you’ve given us. Over the years, while this has been going on actual Midwifery Program positions have languished unfulfilled, as the Minister knows.

My final question is: What did we do with the hundreds of thousands of unspent midwifery salary dollars approved by this Assembly for the introduction and staffing of midwifery programs across the NWT? Mahsi.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

We did actually create a midwifery coordinator position in the department that unfortunately has gone through the revolving door as well, been filled, then vacant, then filled, then vacant. That position is a key position and a lot of the funds have gone to support the planning and operational design as well as consultation in communities and whatnot. So a significant number of things were done.

There aren’t hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars that have lapsed, but we are in a position, changing direction and moving forward with this new model, we may have an opportunity to utilize funds in a different way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 591-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on Mr. Bromley ’s questions about midwifery. There are communities in the Northwest Territories outside Yellowknife that have had no birthing options for parents. As a result of that, people have to leave their community at their own expense, or distance themselves from their spouse, from perhaps their other children to depart the communities, the regional centres at least three weeks in advance of having a child.

The midwifery services in Hay River, which now the chief positions are staffed which is wonderful news for Hay River because other than midwifery the only other option is to go to Yellowknife or go someplace down south to have a child or baby.

Would midwifery in those communities where there are no other options to have a baby born in the community, would those not be a priority for midwifery services before places like Yellowknife

where there are actually existing options? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the challenges we face around midwifery and providing birthing services in communities outside of Fort Smith, Hay River, Yellowknife and Beaufort-Delta, Inuvik in particular, is that we need to make sure the facilities are appropriate, that individuals can receive the proper diagnostic and specialist obstetric or services such as C-section. Most of our communities don’t have the capacity to provide that type of service. So we need to make sure we focus our attention where we can actually provide birthing services.

What we’re talking about now is pushing midwifery services out and supporting community health nurses in the communities so they can provide many aspects of what midwives do, which is a lot of the postnatal and prenatal services, which will actually lead to healthier babies, healthier births and healthier pregnancies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The Minister indicated that the support and supervision and administration for the Midwifery Program across the Northwest Territories would be operated out of Yellowknife.

I’d like to ask the Minister what is the rationalization for having that located in Yellowknife and why could that not also be located in a regional centre where there are already midwifery services which that administrative position would be overseeing. Thank you.

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

No final decision has been made. We are open to any discussion, but I would say at this time it is envisioned that a territorial program will be based in Yellowknife as this will enable a broader scope of women with certain risk factors to assess midwifery care for at least a portion of their care through the easy access to diagnostic services, specialist obstetrics, as well as for ability for immediate access to C-sections and other emergency procedures if needed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Again I have to ask the question, if all of those services are already available in the territorial capital, the support of other physicians, the ability for emergency surgery, if those are already services available here in Yellowknife to women who are giving birth, does it not make sense and can there be, please, a rationalization for why the focus for midwifery as well needs to be in Yellowknife? Why could that not be outside of Yellowknife, the oversight for that program, where there are no options but to come to the capital?

You’ve already got it all concentrated here in the capital. I still haven’t heard what the rationalization is for having the oversight for this in the capital. Thank you.

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

As I indicated previously, the territorial model’s primary goal is to support the knowledge and skill capacity of community health nurses through continued interaction and direct clinical support with midwives. This will benefit all NWT communities by raising the standard of community maternity care. This is one of the primary goals of a territorial program. There’s also the secondary benefit of being able to provide some midwifery support to residents of Yellowknife who choose to access those types of services.

The fact is, at the end of the day, if a patient is at risk, if there are any severe concerns about the birth, they will be coming into a community like Yellowknife or Inuvik anyway, even if midwifery services are provided in a community like Fort Smith or Hay River. High-risk patients still come to those two centres. So we need to focus out of where these high-end services exist just in case we do have to bring individuals in. We also want to push out to communities and support community health nurses.

As a territorial program, I think there’s some value for it to be in Yellowknife. It does provide us the opportunity to provide some midwifery services to a large population in Yellowknife as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 592-17(5): Territorial Midwifery Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 593-17(5): Expansion Of Energy Efficiency Incentive Programs

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife C