Debates of May 16th, 1996

This is page numbers 409 - 465 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

International Travel Trade Representatives To Tour Yellowknife And Inuvik

Land Administration Program Graduates

Difficulties Experienced In Accessing Social Assistance Programs

Unresolved Issues Regarding The Thebacha Election And Fraud Allegations

Benefits To Be Realized By Creating A Single Office Of The Ombudsman

Lack Of Scheduled Airline Services Between Repulse Bay, Igloolik And Pelly Bay

Conflicting Development Initiatives On Northern Bathurst Island

Tribute To John Mackenzie Of Rae-edzo

Fisheries Opportunities In Central Baffin Region

Need To Enhance Sporting Facilities In Mackenzie-delta Area

Unsolicited And Unsigned Messages And Complaints

Tribute To Hon. Justice Mark De Weerdt On Retirement

Absence From The House

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Trades Representatives Touring Western Arctic

Eligibility Requirements For Social Assistance In Nwt

Improvements To Airline Flights For Igloolik, Pelly Bay And Repulse Bay

Status Of Federal Private Member's Bill C-222

Review Of Thebacha Election Process

Review Of Business Incentive Policy

Implementation Of Salary And Contract Disclosure

Update On Meeting With The Prime Minister

Cost Recovery For Search And Rescue In The Arctic

Chief Julius School Gymnasium Funding

Home Improvement Programs

Report On Affirmative Action Review

Reply To Requests For Intervenor Funding

NWT Airport Marketing Strategy

Northern Fuel Prices

Application Of Seniors' Housing Rates

Written Question 5-13(3): Education Issues In The Baffin Region

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 10: Petitions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Rescission Of March 28, 1996 Committee Of The Whole Decision

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

Committee Report 3-13(3): Standing Committee On Resource Management And Development Report On The Review Of The 1996-97 Main Estimates

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 55-13(3): International Travel Trade Representatives To Tour Yellowknife And Inuvik

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I would like to inform the House that 24 travel agents and tour operators from England, Western Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand will spend one day and night in each of Yellowknife and Inuvik this week, on a tour facilitated by the Department of Economic Development and Tourism.

These international business representatives will tour and inspect the local sights, services and attractions in both communities and attend receptions to meet local tour operators and suppliers. The regional Economic Development and Tourism offices are organizing the tour and making final arrangements.

International travellers tend to book their vacations through agents and tour operators. It's important to increase awareness abroad of what the North has to offer as a quality travel destination. This is a productive and cost-effective means of marketing the North.

Partnerships which lead to increased business and tourism for NWT operators flow directly from tours like these. While less than 10 per cent of our visitors originate from outside the North American continent, this percentage will grow significantly over the next few years.

In addition to the Japanese, British and German markets showing strong interest in the North, Spain and Australia have been identified as emerging possible new markets.

This tour was offered to tourism business representatives attending Rendezvous Canada '96 in Edmonton as a postshow option. Rendezvous is an international travel trade show held each spring by the Canadian Tourism Commission to promote sales of Canadian tour packages to international buyers. Close to 60 registered delegates and groups expressed interest in the northern tour, although only 24 were selected because of space restrictions.

A number of industry partners are also contributing toward the success of this tour. NWT Air and Canadian North are the corporate sponsors for travel between Edmonton, Yellowknife and Inuvik. Hotels in both communities will be providing accommodation on a complimentary basis. A number of local tour operators and suppliers will also be providing their services free of charge.

On behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, I offer our best wishes to these potential international tourism partners and wish them a very good visit.

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Minister's Statement 55-13(3): International Travel Trade Representatives To Tour Yellowknife And Inuvik

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 56-13(3): Land Administration Program Graduates

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to congratulate the 16 students who have graduated successfully from the first community land administration certificate program.

A graduation ceremony was held for graduates last month in Iqaluit, where the first course was held. In particular, I wish to acknowledge the four students who were named to the honour roll for outstanding achievement: Geoff Kusugak, Rankin Inlet; Levi Killiktee, Grise Fiord; Allen Oniak, Kugluktuk; and, Jerry Panigoniak, Arviat.

Mr. Speaker,

article 14 of the Nunavut land claims agreement provides that title to municipal lands will be transferred to the communities of Nunavut by July 9th of this year. With ownership of the land comes community responsibility to administer the land.

To assist communities with this responsibility, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, in collaboration with Nunavut Arctic College, developed the community land administration certificate program. The goal of this program is to provide a northern training opportunity for municipal land administration.

Funding for the program was made possible through the support of the Nunavut Implementation Panel, which consists of members representing Canada, the Government of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated.

The first program began in 1995, at the Nunatta Campus of the college in Iqaluit, and 17 of the 25 Nunavut municipalities sponsored students in the program,

Mr. Speaker, the 16 graduates of this first program are now working in their communities, helping to manage and administer municipal land.

Mr. Speaker, when I spoke recently to Members about the department's land reform initiatives, I indicated that training of community staff was a key cornerstone of our plans. We can point to their first class of graduates as concrete evidence of our commitment to this training and one of the examples of our efforts to empower communities.

Our efforts to train community land administrators will continue. Earlier this year, a second group of students began the community land administration program. This course is being offered in Rankin Inlet and we have 13 students; eight from Nunavut and, for the first time, five from the Western Arctic. The department is discussing plans for a similar program in the Western Arctic with Aurora College.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, the first graduates of the community land administration certificate program are already making an important contribution by helping community councils take over authority for lands within their boundaries. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 56-13(3): Land Administration Program Graduates

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Difficulties Experienced In Accessing Social Assistance Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many of us in the Northwest Territories make money. Many of us are provided with housing in our communities. We eat good, nutritious food. However, we have many concerns to deal with. If our pay level is going to be reduced, then we will have many problems. We have complained many times. We have expressed our concerns on TV and through the radio. We have also expressed our concerns through the newspapers. Many of us have expressed our concerns through forums such as meetings like this.

Mr. Speaker, the Inuit have their own concerns as well and have desires like us. They have relatives and children they have to take care of in their own communities. The Status of Women stated that women who have returned back to the Northwest Territories, as well as the band members in communities and Metis local members who have travelled outside of the Northwest Territories who apply for social assistance, have to wait for three months before they can get their application approved, even though they have children and need housing.

Mr. Speaker, may I have unanimous consent to conclude my Members' statement?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Natilikmiot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Mr. Speaker, the NWT is a very generous community. Most of us, Mr. Speaker, are fortunate to have jobs, a roof over our heads and able to have three square meals a day. There are those of us who have moved out of the NWT and come back after three months or more to be denied the social assistance and can't find accommodation for their families. Mr. Speaker, I am speaking for people who live here all their lives and move back from the South: Inuit; band members; Metis.

Mr. Speaker, I have received information from the Yellowknife Women's Centre about five cases of aboriginal people who have lived down south for three months or more. Having come back to the NWT, they try to get social assistance from the system and are told they have to live here for at least three months or more in order to be eligible for social assistance. These people come back to their home land only to be denied the rights to feed their families and find a roof over their head for their families. Mr. Speaker, in this day and age where most of us fight over the spoils of this government, surely there should be enough money to go around for those people in need.

At the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister of Social Services about the policy of this government in the area of social assistance programs. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Unresolved Issues Regarding The Thebacha Election And Fraud Allegations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Speaker, the Thebacha election allegations are the first tests we have had of what turns out to be a very fragile electoral system, given that the RCMP and Elections Canada reached gridlock within hours of receiving the complaints. It took seven months of fumbling before the RCMP provided a report on the allegations to the chief electoral officer and a full month later, the chief electoral officer has finally issued a non-answer. Mr. Speaker, the system has definitely failed its first test.

On May 1st, a letter was received from the chief electoral officer. The letter promised that Elections Canada would try to have an answer to the allegations by the middle of May. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the chief electoral officer issued a press release. His decision, on investigation, is that he would not prosecute alleged infractions to the NWT Elections Act in the Thebacha election. He said: "I have concluded that any trial regarding the election in Thebacha would neither be in the best interest of justice or be of value in protecting the integrity of the electoral system." Mr. Speaker, after seven months and about $250,000, nothing has been answered.

With the chief electoral officer's release, he doesn't say whether the election was fairly run or not. He doesn't say whether the rules which govern our elections were broken or twisted. He doesn't even say whether there are loopholes which allow the system to be used or abused in ways that it shouldn't be.

Mr. Speaker, I strongly disagree with the chief electoral officer's statement regarding the integrity of the electoral system. How can there be any integrity in a system when the decision is made to leave an election permanently under a cloud? Everyone in Fort Smith, Mr. Speaker, has heard the rumours that the RCMP investigation turned up illegal election activities: proxy fraud; solicitation; forgery. What the press release seems to say is there are problems, but Elections Canada isn't going to bother pursuing them. We are no further ahead than we were six months ago. No one really knows what has happened.

To me, Mr. Speaker, enough is enough. It is time to put these allegations to rest. I will try to get a real answer on what happened in the Thebacha investigation. The standing committee is scheduled to review the chief electoral officer's report on the 1995 election.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Unresolved Issues Regarding The Thebacha Election And Fraud Allegations

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Unresolved Issues Regarding The Thebacha Election And Fraud Allegations

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The standing committee is scheduled to review the chief electoral officer's report on the 1995 election. I will be encouraging the committee to recommend we implement the CEO's 1991 suggestion to establish our own chief electoral officer and negotiate with the federal government for the appropriate funds to go with this office. To me it is totally unacceptable to be treated in such a condescending, cavalier manner as an afterthought by the chief electoral officer. To be governed in this area in a colonial fashion from Ottawa is something for days gone by, Mr. Speaker; we are beyond that.

in the meantime, I will be asking the Premier later today to consider a third-party review of this whole operation to ensure that the system never fails this badly again. As I see it, there are significant implications. If the system can be hijacked this easily by one disgruntled candidate who gets defeated, then when we come to Nunavut and we come to division and elections in the two territories, where we are going to be in a state of confusion anyway, our entire electoral system can be hijacked by a few disgruntled candidates who lose. Mr. Speaker, that isn't a risk we should be prepared to take. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Benefits To Be Realized By Creating A Single Office Of The Ombudsman

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are presently a number of legislative proposals before this Assembly which seek to make this government more accountable, open and responsible to the public we serve. The amendments proposed to the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act would allow for the appointments of a single Conflict of Interest Commissioner rather than the present panel of up to nine.

An important element of this proposed change is that of reducing the cost of investigations under the act, while providing experience and impartial handling of such reviews. The role of an Information and Privacy Commissioner, as proposed in the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act would ensure that the decisions not to provide requested information made of public bodies can be impartially reviewed.

Another proposal being examined would create the office of the Northwest Territories ombudsman. An ombudsman would investigate allegations brought against this government of bias, improper influence, abuse of power or merely incompetence, neglect, idleness or other causes amounting to maladministration.

The role of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner, Information and Privacy Commissioner and ombudsman each strive to raise the level of service provided by this government. Each of the three offices function independently of government, thereby ensuring impartial and unbiased review. The powers of investigation and the ability to conduct quasi-judicial functions are also shared by each office. Because of the many similarities of these three offices, the creation of a comprehensive ombudsman's office would fulfil each of these roles while reducing the cost of delivering these programs to a level which will not only justify but also encourage the creation of an ombudsman's office.

Mr. Speaker, the residents of the Northwest Territories are no different than the residents of other jurisdictions in Canada when it comes to their need for governments to address the grievances of its citizens. For the public, the ombudsman is a welcome device for ensuring that justice is done and the bureaucracies treat their clients fairly, promptly and respectfully. For bureaucracies, it is an additional failsafe check on their operations to ensure that any mistakes that have been...

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Samuel Gargan

Your time is up, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

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Mr. Speaker, I consent unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent ... Can we have some order in the House, please? The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am content with that. For the public, the ombudsman is a welcome device for ensuring that justice is done and that bureaucracies treat their clients fairly, promptly and respectfully. I think that is worth repeating twice. For bureaucracies, it is an additional failsafe check on their operations to ensure that any mistakes that have not been spotted are eventually caught and rectified. It also serves to identify unintentional impacts of otherwise well-intentioned procedures.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Lack Of Scheduled Airline Services Between Repulse Bay, Igloolik And Pelly Bay

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during my election campaign, one of the main concerns I heard many times from my constituents had to do with regularly-scheduled air transport, or lack of it, between the communities of Repulse Bay, Igloolik and Pelly Bay. For instance, if one wishes to travel to Repulse Bay from other communities, they have to stop in Rankin Inlet, Chesterfield and Coral Harbour or even Iqaluit on most schedules. Currently, there are three airlines that serve the Keewatin and Kitikmeot areas: Calm Air; Skyward; and, First Air.

None of them make direct flights between Repulse Bay, Pelly Bay and Igloolik. The people I represent have strongly voiced to me their wish to have more direct flights provided between the communities I mentioned. These, traditionally, have been closely-connected communities through intermarriages and family lines.

The present

schedule makes it difficult to travel back and forth among their relatives and friends. Mr. Speaker, I believe that if there were direct flights between these communities, they would be well used. This could provide healthy and much-needed competition, it would also save a lot of time, trouble and expense for my constituents.

I would suggest that flights could ideally be set up so that people could conveniently make visits and return home without having to make them travel a long way there and back. I will have more direct questions to the appropriate Minister later on in this regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Conflicting Development Initiatives On Northern Bathurst Island

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) ... complex situation which is arising in my constituency. As I see it, there may be a possible conflict between Parks Canada's plan to consider a new national park at northern Bathurst Island and a strong expression of interest in those same lands for new ore reserves for Polaris Mine.

Parks Canada first expressed interest in the park in 1992. A study to look into whether a park should be feasible began in October 1995. The geological survey of Canada is also doing mineral and energy resource assistance of northern Bathurst Island. Many meetings have been held in Resolute Bay about these proposed developments. Many parties are getting involved: the federal departments; territorial departments; the Baffin Regional Inuit Association; and, Cominco, owner of Polaris Mine.

Lately, the Canadian Nature Federation and the World Wildlife Fund are getting involved. The community of Resolute Bay is in the ... (inaudible). It isn't surprising that there are differences of opinion within the community. There are some people, for example, who support the land withdrawal until the studies are completed. Others are concerned about how a new park might affect Polaris Mine. The president of Cominco has stated that Cominco would like to explore northern Bathurst Island because they want to find a new ore body before Polaris is out of ore.

The company says that a land withdrawal would prevent them from exploring the area. Natural Resources Canada is opposed to the land withdrawal as well. They would like to see this area of high mineral potential left open to exploration.

On the other hand, DIAND and Parks Canada support the land withdrawal. Recently, a position about land withdrawal has been referred to the Minister of DIAND, Natural Resources Canada and Canadian Heritage.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Please conclude your statement, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems like our government may not be involved in this important decision which will affect my community, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the Government of the Northwest Territories has so far not taken a position on these issues. I wish to say today that I will be relying on the Minister of the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, Renewable Resources and Economic Development and Tourism, Mr. Kakfwi , to help ensure that the right decision is taken on this important issue.

I will say that I believe Polaris Mine is an important part of the economy of my region and the Northwest Territories, although I would very much like to see them employ more of my constituents. I would be

concerned if the mine were to close in a few years because they are denied access to new supplies of ore. On the other hand, I know there are concerns regarding calving grounds of Perry caribou at northern Bathurst Island and they must be protected.

Mr. Speaker, I hope, in working with Mr. Kakfwi , we can find a balanced, reasonable way of approaching these possible conflicts. I will have general comments and questions later today when we are dealing with replies to the budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Tribute To John Mackenzie Of Rae-edzo

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently in my home community of Rae-Edzo, we had a passing of a well liked, hard-working family man, Mr. John Mackenzie. This man was struck down in the prime of his life. He had a family to watch grow, a family who enjoyed his company and who had everything to look forward to. Unfortunately, like many others in the North, he had cancer. As many know, this is a terrible ordeal for families and friends and, in many cases, the comfort of others makes life seem better.

Today, I would like to thank the honourable Minister, Stephen Kakfwi , for caring about the needs of the family by attending the funeral and providing his condolences to the family. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Fisheries Opportunities In Central Baffin Region

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to use two seconds of my time to say you are looking rather nice today, with the fancy decoration around your neck.

--- Applause

Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring Members of this House up to date on the applications made recently to the federal Minister of Fisheries and Oceans for the right to catch groundfish in all waters next to Baffin Island. Applications for licences to catch these fish, which are in our waters, were made by all Baffin communities, through the Qikiqtaaluk Wildlife Federation and, as well, the communities of Pangnirtung, Broughton Island and Qikiqtaaluk Corporation.

The Minister of Fisheries and Oceans gave a total of 1,500 tonnes to Baffin Island applicants and gave the largest amount of the fish quota to the Qikiqtaaluk Wildlife Board to distribute as they felt would be fair to the Baffin communities. I am pleased to report that the Qikiqtaaluk Wildlife Board met recently and they agreed on a fair way of dividing up the quota throughout the region. I understand the board is willing to look at ways of developing opportunities for certain interested communities, where it is appropriate, to become more involved in the fishery now that we have been allocated about 1,500 tonnes throughout the Baffin region.

I believe it will be possible and desirable that plans be developed so that the most possible benefits can flow to our communities. For example, I am very pleased that my own community of Broughton Island is being assisted to consider no less than six possible opportunities which could result in employment and other spin-off benefits from the fisheries in that community. One of the most interesting ideas they have come up with is to use the excellent harbour in Broughton Island to establish a public cold storage facility. Using surplus buildings from a nearby DEW Line site, this storage space would be very handy for vessels fishing in the area.

Mr. Speaker, I am seeking unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They could unload the fish at Broughton Island for shipment to the fish plant in Pangnirtung or shipment south. There might also be the possibility of resupplying the fishing vessels when they come in to unload their product. This opportunity could create desperately-needed local jobs for the constituents of Broughton Island. I also know there are plans to pursue additional Atlantic groundfish quotas from the Canadian competitive quota in area OA north of Cape Dyer. These waters lie alongside my constituency. If we could get a quota from those waters given to us, it would present a splendid opportunity for my home community of Clyde River to become involved.

I am encouraged that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans' officials have apparently been very encouraging about the idea of exploratory fishing being granted for these waters next to my riding.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to conclude by saying that I am very grateful that my constituents have the benefit of the full and active support of Baffin MLAs and the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Minister of Renewable Resources and Economic Development and Tourism , for these important initiatives to create jobs and economic opportunities for my constituents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . I would like to thank you for your kind words. I was a little worried about whether I was dressed all right. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Need To Enhance Sporting Facilities In Mackenzie-delta Area

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you all know, in 1995, the Arctic Winter Games Committee made a decision to hold the Arctic Winter Games for 1998 in the city of Yellowknife. There was an application put forth by the town of Inuvik and the surrounding communities of the Mackenzie

Delta, but they were told they did not have adequate facilities to host such an event. The people in the Mackenzie-Delta -- who have been known to stage large events such as environmental conferences, the northern games and the Midway Lake Music Festival -- took great offence to this decision. The people of the Mackenzie-Delta felt their ability to host such an event was misjudged.

One of the reasons the committee gave with regard to not awarding the games to Inuvik was the lack of proper facilities. A large gymnasium in the second-largest community in the region would only enhance Inuvik's ability to host the next Arctic Winter Games after division.

This is one of the questions I'll be raising later on with the appropriate Minister: What is the possibility of establishing a larger gymnasium in the community of Fort McPherson -they are presently constructing a new facility -- so that the ability of the Mackenzie-Delta region to host the next Arctic Winter Games will not be jeopardized because of not having the facilities? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Unsolicited And Unsigned Messages And Complaints

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the past several weeks, I have been given unsolicited advice and supposed inside information on a range of different items. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the calls I receive from the different areas of the NWT but I want to say, for the record, that, unless the letters are signed and phone messages et cetera have a contact number of the person making said allegation or providing the unsolicited advice, there is little I can do with this information.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, we live in a democracy. Canada and the NWT are not communists, fascists, totalitarians or dictatorships. It is not a place where we partake in witch hunts or vendettas. I will act on information that is signed, but because we don't have an ombudsman's office or a similar mechanism and because we don't have party politics, it becomes very difficult in handling complaints.

For the record, I take this role as a Member of the Legislative Assembly of the NWT very seriously. Integrity, Mr. Speaker, has to be first and foremost in our dealings within the role that we participate. I will continue to represent my constituents to the best of my ability and I appreciate any signed and, as aforementioned, personally identified messages received. I will act on them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Tribute To Hon. Justice Mark De Weerdt On Retirement

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to pay tribute to a most distinguished citizen in the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Mr. Justice Mark de Weerdt. Justice de Weerdt recently retired from the position of Senior Judge of the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories, a position he held for 15 years. Justice de Weerdt is much respected in court circles. He and his wife, Anne, are admired as fine citizens of the Northwest Territories.

His history in the Northwest Territories stretches back several decades. He is the third judge of the Supreme Court of the NWT and he succeeded two other great northern judges: Judge Jack Sissons, the first judge to serve the NWT and known as "the flying judge of the North;" and, William Morrow. History will remember these three judges as the pioneers of the northern justice system.

In the 1950s and 1960s, Justice de Weerdt served as a lawyer who argued cases in courts all across the North. He experienced many of the challenges that were present in the fledgling days when the NWT court system was finding its feet. This required him to sometimes argue for both the Crown and the defence in the same case. He handled, with much sympathy, the many misunderstandings caused by differences in culture. Consequently, he earned great respect in the communities.

Justice de Weerdt was always wise and ready to give sage advice on all legal matters. As well as performing his judicial duties, he was often asked for advice and opinions on many legal matters because he had a reputation for giving sound and comprehensive points of view. He was very concerned that a proper justice system designed especially for this diverse Territory be developed and he helped contribute to this in many ways. He understood that the Canadian system of justice was alien to the life of many aboriginal groups. He recognized that they were moving inordinately towards a western 20th-century lifestyle which encompasses the federal justice system.

He always made an effort to explain and justify the workings of this justice system to the aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. He advocated for federally-funded legal aid, which was established in 1970. He believed in freedom of the press and coached reporters in how to give unbiased and accurate reports of court hearings. He believed in the flexibility of sentencing, including using sentencing circles.

Even though Justice de Weerdt would be justified in taking a well-deserved retirement, he is leaving us for yet another career; Senior Judge of the Supreme Court of British Columbia. We wish him all the best and say thank you for all the help, support and good counsel he has provided over his long career in the Northwest Territories.

--- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Absence From The House

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to advise the other Members of the Assembly that I won't be in the Assembly tomorrow. I am returning to Hay River to attend the graduation at the Diamond Jenness Secondary School. I feel it is very important to honour grade 12 graduates and I regret to miss the House, but that is the reason for my absence tomorrow. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to advise the House that I will be absent from the House tomorrow. I will be attending the high school graduation of the students of Baker Lake. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 215-13(3): Rates Of Pay For Student Summer Employment

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ootes on May 14th regarding rates of pay for student summer employment.

The GNWT is only able to institute a new student summer wage rate through the collective bargaining process with the union. As I mentioned the other day, we did, in fact, put forth a proposal for new student rates with the union in our most recent round of collective bargaining. However, agreement on this issue was not reached.

The GNWT does not have a specific student hiring program. Students access jobs through the casual employment program. Although there is no centralized database regarding the number of potential student job opportunities, the Personnel Secretariat has informed us that approximately 72 students have been hired in headquarters as of May 14, 1996. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Further Return To Question 80-13(3): Transfer Of Staff Housing To The Nwt Housing Corporation

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco on March 27th, regarding the transfer of staff housing to the NWT Housing Corporation.

In June 1995, PW&S transferred the administration of the staff housing inventory, including lease administration for leased units and for unit allocations, to the Housing Corporation. On April 1, 1996, the NWT Housing Corporation assumed maintenance responsibilities which will be carried out in most cases by local housing organizations. In some communities, the maintenance function will be contracted out.

The Member is correct in saying that most LHOs will now manage these properties. However, the Financial Management Board Secretariat retains the policy and program approval responsibilities over the GNWT's staff housing program. In effect, the corporation and the LHOs are acting as a contractor to the FMBS, to deliver staff housing based upon FMBS's guidelines and policies. Therefore, the budget for this program will be kept separate from the social housing budget, and the by-laws and guidelines governing social housing program delivery will not apply to staff housing.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mrs. Thompson .

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Return To Question 194-13(3): GNWT Position On Transfers Of Program And Facilities Of Municipalities

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on May 8, 1996, on the GNWT position on transfers of program and facilities to municipalities.

The Member is correct in her statement that, under the community transfer process, the government agreed to work with municipal councils, band councils, community corporations and Metis locals in whatever way the community decided it wanted to approach transfers.

Under the community empowerment initiative, we will be talking to communities about how they might decide the kind of governing structure which best suits their particular and unique needs.

The government prefers to deal with a single community governing or administrative organization which is accountable to all residents of the community. In Nunavut communities, this will, in all probability, be the municipal government.

In the West, community governance is a little more complicated. It is the community residents, not the central government, that must decide how the community can best be served. If it is a community's wish that the government enter into transfer arrangements directly with a community council, band council, community corporation or Metis local; the government will consider ways to do so. It will be the challenge of community residents and their governing organizations to develop community consensus on these matters. The government can then respond. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have another one.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Continue.

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Further Return To Question 209-13(3): Community Funding For 1996-97

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Roland on May 13, 1996, on community funding for 1996-97.

'The Member asked what reductions had taken place in taxation areas. I believe he was referring to municipal taxation areas, meaning the city, towns and villages.

There has been no reduction to the equalization grants budgets for tax-based communities. These communities will be affected, as all other communities, by program reductions such as the reform of the water and sewage services subsidy and capital budget reductions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 149-13(3): Administration Of Staff Appeals

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Miltenberger on May 3, 1996, regarding administration of staff appeals.

On May 3, 1996, staffing authority was delegated to the following departments: Health and Social Services; Justice; Transportation; Executive; Financial Management Board Secretariat; Education, Culture and Employment; Municipal and Community Affairs; Legislative Assembly, and, Public Works and Services.

The remaining departments will receive staffing authority once their staff have been trained. Thank you.

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Page 416

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I very rarely do this, but I have a unique opportunity this afternoon to introduce to everyone in this House -- my favourite CBC reporter -- Ian Hanna's parents.

--- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to welcome to the gallery today, John Parker, the superintendent of Economic Development and Tourism for the Baffin; and Dave Monteith, a long-time Baffin resident, supervisor for parks for Economic Development and Tourism.

--- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 236-13(3): Trades Representatives Touring Western Arctic

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of ED&T. It relates to the Minister's statement today regarding the western tour of the 24 international trade representatives. Mr. Speaker, I note that the tour operators are visiting western communities only. Can the Minister advise this House why no communities in Nunavut are involved in this tour? After all, we in Nunavut also have a need to access such high visibility. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 236-13(3): Trades Representatives Touring Western Arctic

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the reason is that the operators are all gathered in the city of Edmonton and the simplest, most convenient travel route for them in the time we were prepared to devote to this tour was to go north to Yellowknife and Inuvik. That is the reason. The conference and trade show happens every year. They have been going on for the last 20 years and have moved from places like Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver.

I believe when they return to eastern locations, then it becomes much easier and more convenient to set up -- depending on the interest of the trade show operators and representatives -- an opportunity to swing into the Keewatin and also into the Baffin. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister confirm where this show will originate next year?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if someone told me yesterday, I have already forgotten. I would be interested in sharing that with the Members and also give them a briefing. I just got a sign, I believe it is in Vancouver.

Having said that, I would be very interested in having more Members of the Legislature attend these conferences and trade shows because that is an opportunity for us, as elected representatives and Ministers of government, to appreciate how we can help our tourism operators and outfitters to meet the demands that are growing internationally and across North America for the products and services we can provide in the NWT. We need to find ways to market the whole of the Canadian Arctic and not just our specific regions.

Many of the operators found that they spent a great deal of time answering generic questions about the Arctic and very little time describing the kinds of services and products they were advancing.

So not a lot of work was done, but things look very positive and I was very pleased to be part of that experience. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister agree to try to encourage that the East would be involved in this show next year? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Arctic has some very unique elements that are of great interest to people around the world. For instance, this is one of the few jurisdictions where you can actually see wildlife in its still pristine state, as is, without having to go to international parks. The land is still very much the way it has been for thousands of years. The Canadian Arctic has always been exemplified by pictures of polar bears, snow, ice and Inuit. There is a lot of tourism interest in the Eastern Arctic and there is also a great deal of interest from the tourism operators and outfitters from Nunavut and we will always be attending these conferences. Thank you.

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Question 237-13(3): Eligibility Requirements For Social Assistance In Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member's statement regarding the residents of the NWT travelling to southern jurisdictions and coming back to the NWT after three months and being unable to find any jobs or income and being denied social assistance by the system, I didn't realize that my colleague asked the same question yesterday. I was out of the House at an interview.

On page 857 of the unedited Hansard, the Minister of Education, Culture and Communications has a response: "The department is very careful to ensure that nobody is going hungry or being forced to sleep on the street. The full services of the department are available only to residents.'

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department's resources are made available to all people, no matter where they were born or where they came from. The policy of the department is to provide the full range of services to residents. Until a person has established residence in the Northwest Territories, we have a transient policy which entitles people to receive limited assistance in obtaining food and shelter. Mr. Speaker, we don't deny assistance to new residents, but we do expect that people would establish residence by either securing employment, establishing a residence or by being employed in the NWT for three months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a document here from the Yellowknife Women's Centre regarding five complaints coming from individuals who came from outside of the jurisdiction who have lived here a long time, come back and been denied social assistance until they have lived here for three months. Mr. Speaker, are we denying people help when they need social assistance? Why are we denying these people assistance? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we aren't denying assistance. I am not aware of the individual circumstances outlined in the letter. I would have to have a specific example of what had happened. In any case, where a person goes to apply for social assistance,

if they aren't happy with the response, they are entitled to appeal and have that appeal heard as to whether or not they should have received assistance.

Let me take Yellowknife, for example. A mother of three who arrived in Yellowknife and was staying with relatives would be provided with cash assistance to purchase food and other basic living necessities; or, a single employable client would be referred to the Salvation Army emergency shelter, where food and residence are provided on a contract basis between the Salvation Army and Education, Culture and Employment.

So we do provide assistance, but it is limited until we know that the people have established residence here. That is because they have established residence somewhere else. Until we know for sure that they are residents of the Northwest Territories, the full range of services aren't provided to them. We do make sure that the basics are provided. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps the Minister could direct his staff to look into the allegation of denial of social assistance, to ensure that the rights of these individuals weren't infringed upon. Perhaps he could direct his staff to communicate with the Yellowknife Women's Centre. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be happy to do that. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 238-13(3): Improvements To Airline Flights For Igloolik, Pelly Bay And Repulse Bay

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . The Minister has heard my Member's statement today. I would like to ask him if he could recommend to me how I should go about seeking improvements for airline flights between the traditionally-linked communities of Repulse Bay, Pelly Bay and Igloolik. Thank you.

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Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform the honourable Member that this government is not directly involved, at any level, with the scheduling of routes and flights of air carriers. The air carriers themselves -- in this case, Calm Air, First Air and Skyward -deliver air services on a commercial basis. If the traffic warrants it and passengers and freight on a particular route is enough to pay for services, the carriers are likely to offer that service in this area. In this case, the carriers may not know that a potential for a new market exists in this particular area.

The proposed Repulse Bay, Pelly Bay and Igloolik route is interesting because the three communities are located in three different regions. I would like to recommend that the three municipalities inform the different air carriers and see if their carrier is interested in introducing this service. The important point is that the carriers and passengers should start talking to one another about this service they want. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Can I count on the support of the honourable Minister and his officials in pursuing my concern?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Yes, the Department of Transportation and its regional staff, Mr. Speaker, could certainly help by letting the municipalities know the regional carriers might offer the service or to let the regional carriers know of the three communities interested in the route of service. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would it be possible to assess the feasibility of having the airlines provide direct links between Repulse Bay, Igloolik and Pelly Bay?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government is not involved in scheduling flights, and directing the routes is a commercial venture. The Department of Transportation is willing to work with the three communities in contacting the three airlines to see if we could get some dialogue going. Perhaps, in that way, we could generate some discussion and perhaps develop some sort of a route in that area. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I would like to recognize a former Member and a former federal MP, Mr. Dave Nickerson.

--- Applause

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A week ago today, I travelled to Ottawa to make a presentation on behalf of the Minister of Safety and Public Services . I would like to ask the Minister if he's heard any results of our presentation, or results from the Standing Committee on Health. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the honourable Member for Inuvik for representing the department in their presentation to the subcommittee on Health in Ottawa, on our behalf.

Mr. Speaker, I've been informed by the department that the private Member's Bill C-222 would require health warning labels be placed on all alcohol beverage containers sold in Canada. This particular bill has been moved back from the subcommittee into the Standing Committee on Health. The subcommittee has withdrawn this bill for consideration by the subcommittee, and has further recommended that instead the standing committee consider both this bill and another bigger bill which they are contemplating.

They would like to consider the bill in the context of its study of Canada's drug policy, with particular attention to the effective means of increasing awareness of fetal alcohol syndrome. As a result of this motion, Bill C-222 is buried deep in another process and there will be no vote at the committee stage. With the number of issues that this committee, on the study of drug policy, will cover, most of the observers consider that this subcommittee motion is a way of not dealing with the bill, without ever having the committee Members or MPs taking a position on it. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Seeing as this is an important issue for the Territories and we are continuing to do our own labelling program, will the Minister and his department continue to seek ways of influencing or passing the message on to the standing committee that we believe this is an important issue; the whole process regarding the awareness of alcohol?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Cabinet is supportive of the initiative of putting health warning labels on the liquor containers in the Northwest Territories and will continue to do so. We've also taken the position to support the private Member's Bill C-222. The bill will not be reported back to the House of Commons prior to the summer recess. Instead, it will be considered as part of a much larger study that the standing committee has been planning to undertake regarding Canada's drug policy. They are developing a plan on how to deal with it.

To date, there's no plan, per se, on how the committee is going to carry out its comprehensive review of the national drug policy. It's possible the committee may agree to travel, and it could be invited to hearings in different parts of the country, including the Northwest Territories. This would provide an opportunity for us, the Government of the Northwest Territories, to provide additional input; not only about warning labels, but other aspects of drug and alcohol problems and programs in the Northwest Territories.

Upon learning of these developments, as the Minister of Safety and Public Services , I have written to the Minister of Health to initiate discussion regarding how we can best provide input into this process. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland , supplementary.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the presentation, we were made aware of other groups making different presentations to the subcommittee. Is the Minister aware that the Winery Association wanted to do their own labelling regarding the improvement of health by drinking a limited amount of wine per day?

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the whole debate on the private Member's bill, I understand there"s a lot of opposition to placing health warning labels on containers by the liquor industry. It's a massive, powerful lobby and they've done their work well. In Ottawa, they have a lot of misinformation and different types of information, including what the honourable Member has mentioned regarding consuming a small amount of alcohol is good for you. This is one of the studies which has just come out. The results of the study are very questionable. This is an example of the type of lobbying which is being done in opposition to this private Member's bill. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 240-13(3): Review Of Thebacha Election Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 420

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . In light of the serious shortcomings brought to light by the Thebacha election, the allegations and the less-than-adroit handling of it by the RCMP and the Chief Electoral Officer's office, would the Premier consider a third party review of this system, once it's finally through the courts and dealt with, to ensure that this kind of situation doesn't occur again, and that we're ready for the next election? Hopefully, this kind of thing will be avoided and expense spared. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

I would like to remind the Member the process is still in the courts. This Assembly cannot deal with an issue which is still before the courts. I must rule your question out of order.

--- Ruled Out of Order

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 241-13(3): Review Of Business Incentive Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 420

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to congratulate Mr. Steen for his attempt yesterday to suspend applications for the business incentive policy. However, since I called earlier this week for a review of this and other policies, I would rather think we could update and fine tune this policy. We may be able to achieve a better result. I believe this policy can still be used but we must get rid of the abuse which has taken place with this policy.

If we were to concentrate our efforts on the smaller communities and the potential growth that can be achieved in these communities, I think the policy could work better. One idea might be to localize the policy. If a community, through its local contractors, is allowed under the BIP a chance to bid on the contract without the worry of outside contractors under cutting prices. This would encourage growth in the community and, at the same time, benefit local business and possibly government by creating more local jobs, which would mean a reduction in social services. If they were to do a review of this policy, we could come up with something better.

My question to the honourable Minister of Public Works and Services : Will the Minister commit today to do a review of this policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , I have now been assigned responsibility for the business incentive policy. It is my intention, of course, to become familiar with this policy and to review the original intent of the policy as well as to go through the comments and the suggestions that have been made to this government, as a result of a policy that was initiated by the previous government.

So there was, as I understand it, already some element of a review conducted, and it's now my intention to review the situation as a new Minister and then decide whether to continue a review, to conclude it or to come up with additional elements of consultation in order to conclude a satisfactory review. Thank you.

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James Rabesca

North Slave

I take it that the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services is saying yes; so if that's the case, I was wondering what time frame the Minister would consider to review this policy.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, the policy was generally intended to be put in place in order to benefit northern and local businesses, and the review was to decide whether or not those goals and objectives that were set up for the policy to give effect to it do in fact achieve those and by what degree; and also to decide what changes would be necessary or desirable in order to improve on the present policy. There is no time frame.

As I understand it, the public consultation part of the review has been concluded. But, as I said, because I am a new Minister asked to take responsibility for it, I want to take some time, perhaps a week or two, to assess what has been done, what the original intent was in conducting a review of this policy and then report back to the Cabinet with my suggestions on whether to just leave things as they are, to drop the policy altogether or to make improvements; depending on the options we take to see what mechanisms we might want to use to achieve the options that we set up for ourselves. Thank you.

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, is the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services committing to having something of a response within another two or three weeks?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, what I am trying to say in an inarticulate way is that I am a new Minister. I've been asked to take on responsibility for this policy, which, I understand, has very noble intentions and, according to some, has achieved some noble results. But it appears to be

a policy that is very complex and complicated and has many elements to it. I am not sure that trying to improve it will give us an opportunity to make it any less complicated. But, as I said, I want to look at it, see what has been done to it, see what has come out of the consultation that has been conducted over the last year or two by the government and by officials, to summarize as best I can what I think the present situation is and return to Cabinet with some recommendations. This is what I believe I will do, and I will try to do it and perhaps give the Premier an indication within two weeks of how soon I can move on this issue. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . Motion 7-13(3) on disclosure has now passed. Could the Premier inform the House when the Executive Council will be implementing said motion? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that this motion was a recommendation to the Executive Council. As soon as we have time to deal with it, we'll deal with it and let the Member know.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I know it was a recommendation because I drafted the motion. That's why it was a recommendation. Maybe the Minister could tell me when he thinks the Executive Council will have the opportunity to review the said motion for the act and when the amendments through legislation will come into place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be pleased to give the Member a more definite date in October when we come back to this House. By that time, we should have had the opportunity to review the motion and look into it. Thank you.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker. I don't know if I'll be around in October. I wonder if there is a quicker time frame that the Premier thinks that this most important motion may come into place. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is aware, there is a long list of legislation to be dealt with and we have to review that in the context of that legislation. The Member is also aware, Mr. Speaker, that the House starts up again in the fall after the summer break; so it may seem like a long time, but that's the next available time to get back to the Member, because I know that I won't be back to him on this issue while this House is sitting this spring. Thank you.

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