Debates of April 21st, 1999

This is page numbers 241 - 272 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Preparing Northerners For Work

Recruitment And Retention Strategy

Tuktoyaktuk Hamlet Council Invitation

GNWT Support For Small Business

Member's Statement 108-13(07): Recruitment And Retention Of Teachers

Member's Statement 109-13(07): Long Services Awards To Hay River Teachers

Territorial Youth Legislative Assembly

History Of Fort Resolution And The North

Recognition Of Two Outstanding Constituents

Return To Oral Question 58-13(7): Diamond Training Programs

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Grade Extensions In Small Communities

Policies To Assist Small Business

Recruitment And Retention Of Teachers

Education Conditions In The Nwt

Veracity Of Budget Statement

Grade Extension Policy

School Extension Programs

Fort Resolution Sawmill Industry

Speed Limit On Highways

Meeting Education Demands

Employing Special Needs Assistants

Budge Reply 2-13(7)

Tabled Document 30-13(7): Great Slave Lake Forestry Report And Business Plan, March 1999

Support For Ms. Roberta Vaneltsi

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 37-13(7): Preparing Northerners For Work

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to highlight the proposed continuation of two very important programs that were mentioned in the Budget Address on Monday. Both of these programs help northerners gain the skills and work experience they need to be successful in the workforce.

One million dollars of the proposed funds will be used to extend the very successful Working Together program. This program is aimed at the more than 1,000 NWT students in post-secondary education and young people who are unemployed. Working Together dollars subsidize wages paid by employers in both the private and non-profit sectors. Over the past two years, more than 900 young people in the Western NWT have found employment in positions subsidized by the program.

Working Together has been a good partnership between government and the private sector. The jobs created under this program allow young people to get relevant experience that will help them when they are ready to look for permanent work. Mr. Speaker, it is proposed that the one-year community-based Skills for Work program will also receive $1 million. This program is based on the Investing in People program that ended on March 31 this year.

The Skills for Work program is intended to help northerners gain the skills to take advantage of the many job opportunities that we have. The proposed money will be used for pre-employment programs and will be managed through the department's regional offices. As well, support will be given to adult basic education, skills development and community job training that will be managed by Aurora College. The programs offered will be based on identified community education and training needs.

One component of the Skills for Work program worth special mention is the enhancement of training opportunities for special needs assistants. The need for more of this type of training was identified by the ministerial forum and during other work on the department's strategic plan. I am pleased that we may have some additional funding to put into this area of need.

The infrastructure to support these programs is already in place, so we hope to implement them very quickly. If the House approves the funding, the Working Together program will be available to employers by the end of the month. The Skills for Work program will be up and running in the near future as well.

Both of these programs are investments in our future and in our youth, Mr. Speaker. They are both important parts of our commitment as a government to ensure that northerners are ready and able to take advantage of the employment opportunities around them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 37-13(7): Preparing Northerners For Work

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 38-13(7): Recruitment And Retention Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to update the Members of this House on the GNWT's ongoing efforts to recruit and retain health and social service professionals in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, we are all aware of the challenges we face with respect to the recruitment and retention of health and social service professionals in the north. This problem is particularly true with respect to nurses, who make up almost 85 percent of the health care workers in our health and social services system.

The NWT has unique needs when it comes to nursing professionals. Nurses are the first point of contact with the health and social services system for many northerners. Northern nurses must have specialized training and skills to provide the wider range of services expected of them. Nurses with the kind of training and experience we need are also being actively recruited by other Canadian jurisdictions. In other words Mr. Speaker, we are competing for a specialized pool of nurses who are in more demand than ever before.

Mr. Speaker, turnover and vacancy rates for nurses in the NWT are increasing, particularly in smaller communities. In the long term, high turnover and vacancy rates may result in decreased quality of care, increased workload for remaining staff and increased medical travel costs. We need a stable workforce to ensure that the quality of health care in the NWT is maintained. Mr. Speaker, this government recognizes that it must take action to protect the high quality of health care now provided to residents of the NWT.

In Monday's budget speech, the Minister of Finance , the Honourable Charles Dent , announced it is proposed over the next two years, that an additional $3 million will be allocated to the recruitment and retention of nurses in the NWT. Incentives created with this funding will help us attract and retain nurses in the NWT. We will also use this funding to encourage more northerners to enter the nursing profession.

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Minister's Statement 38-13(7): Recruitment And Retention Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Minister's Statement 39-13(7): Tuktoyaktuk Hamlet Council Invitation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , I wish to take this opportunity to thank the people of Tuktoyaktuk, the hamlet council and the recreation committee for inviting me to take

part in the opening of the 1999 Beluga Jamboree on Friday April 9, 1999. It was an honour for me to take

part in this event which was well attended by people from Inuvik and Alkavik as well. As Minister, I also had occasion to meet with the Mayor and Hamlet Council on a serious issue pertaining to the hamlets' main fresh water source.

I wish to assure the people and hamlet council that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs officials will be working closely with them to resolve this concern to the satisfaction of the council and the department as quickly as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 39-13(7): Tuktoyaktuk Hamlet Council Invitation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statement. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 107-13(7): GNWT Support For Small Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is regarding the support of this government, especially in the Inuvik region and small communities and entrepreneurs in the communities who have made an investment to establish their businesses and also operate those businesses in those communities. Mr. Speaker, there is a high cost associated with running any business especially in a small community where you do not have a guaranteed economic base.

Mr. Speaker, I will use as an example, Storr & Sons of Aklavik, which is a family-owned business and was owned and operated by the late Buck Storr and now run by his son, Richard Storr. They have been in business for a number of years. They have served the community by small gravel hauls from Willow River in the Richardson Mountains, and have had the contract to maintain snow removal in regard to the winter road between Inuvik and Aklavik. Yet, Mr.

Speaker, they find it harder and harder to get jobs and some opportunities for assurance that they can continue to operate and maintain their businesses in Aklavik, which they have to pay for the equipment that they purchase to ensure that they have equipment located in Aklavik, they have to have a building to house the equipment in Aklavik and they also have to be able to have some assurances for their employees that they will have work, to have a steady workforce in Aklavik. Yet, Mr.

Speaker, it is very difficult for them to continue to maintain and operate this family business because of the question about competition from the larger centres, especially in Inuvik and also from outside the region.

Mr. Speaker, we have policies in place which are suppose to protect groups such as these small communities, but interpreting these policies they are more structured to regional projects than to community specific projects. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that we have to relook at the bid process and the contracting process we have in place.

I have had a lot of concerns and complaints from other communities, especially in the areas of the aviation sector, who also are having problems to continue to operate their businesses because of not having some assurances that they should maintain their aircraft in small communities and keep them in small communities to supply these services I am talking about versus aviation which has been in place for a number of years in Fort Norman.

These are some examples of how the Inuvik region has, we have to ensure that these policies that are in place are working to ensure that we do supply opportunities to our communities and to the individuals who have made a long-term commitment to our communities in regard to ensuring that the equipment is available, and also that jobs are available to our communities. At the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development on this particular matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 107-13(7): GNWT Support For Small Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 108-13(07): Recruitment And Retention Of Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I feel, Mr. Speaker, that it is important for us to speak about reports that are issued by this government and especially when we do extensive community consultations. I feel that it is important for us as MLAs to address them and the questions in the House so that

there is public clarification on this. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I dealt with pupil/teacher ratios and resources to deliver new programs in relationship to the report on the Minister's Forum of Education.

Today I want to speak on teacher recruitment and retention. The Budget Address, which Mr. Dent announced the other day, provided for $3 million for a strategy to retain and attract health care workers. As in the health care area, we face a potential similar problem in the education field. Health has become a focal point and it is certainly needed, there is no question about that, but we must also address the education issues. Mr. Speaker, the 1990s have not been kind and good to teachers because there have been rollbacks of salaries and benefits and there are pressures to deliver more programs with fewer dollars. Like nurses, we face a similar potential shortage in teachers.

The Canadian Teachers Federation sees teacher shortages as the biggest issue facing the profession. It is not restricted to Canada. Great Britain has set up offices in various countries to recruit teachers including one in Canada. Nova Scotia graduates are being attracted to the United States, Great Britain, Asia and the Middle East. The forecasts indicate that there is going to be a very serious teacher shortage in Ontario. There is a supply and demand gap coming. Teachers are retiring, the forecast indicates 25 percent in four years and 50 percent in the next eight years.

These are very serious implications for us here in the north, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to later, during question period, address some questions to the Minister about teacher retention and attraction. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 108-13(07): Recruitment And Retention Of Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 109-13(07): Long Services Awards To Hay River Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Ootes has spoken in his Member's statement today about the serious issue of turnover rates in the ranks of northern educators. With increased pressures and diminishing resources for teachers to cope with, it may become rare in the future to see the kind of recognition which took place in Hay River last week.

A number of teachers and public servants were honoured at the 1998 Long Service Awards. I would like to make special mention of some of the teachers. A number received awards for five, ten and 15 years of service. Of course, this is an accomplishment and we appreciate all of our teachers in Hay River and the fact that solid, stable role models are still choosing education as a career. Mr. Speaker, I want to name the 20-year recipients: Robert White, Jennifer Turvey, Linda Hobson, Gladys Norwegian, Marilyn Carroll, Carol Grimm.

Support staff also play an integral role in the life of our schools so, it is important that we take note of the 20-year service awards that were presented to: Linda Atwell, Jun Lau-a, and also especially, Mabel Wright for 30 years of service. Mr. Speaker, if you think that eight staff members with 20 years service in a small community like Hay River is remarkable, let me tell you about Patricia Burnstad and Janet Fahl both receiving 25-year service awards.

Now we come to two of the institutions of education in Hay River; Mr. Peter Osted, and Mr. Romeo Gonzales, who were recognized for 30 years of service.

I have stated in this House before that Hay River has been extremely fortunate and when you add the combined years of teaching, the average number of years must be as high, if not higher, than most communities anywhere in Canada, let alone the Northwest Territories.

When we look at statistics in turnover rates in other communities, the national shortage rates, the increasing rate of burnout, combined with the recruitment efforts of the United States and the United Kingdom, we had better indeed take a very sober look at the resource we have in staff in northern communities like Hay River. If the pressures in the system in the north become too great, in years to come we will not be afforded the luxury of celebrating long service records such as we had last week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 109-13(07): Long Services Awards To Hay River Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 110-13(7): Territorial Youth Legislative Assembly

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the Territorial Youth Legislative Assembly that will be occurring here in May. Mr. Speaker, I suppose it is appropriate that we have put in place a training program for young legislators as we are trying to train people in other areas. The way this is happening, Mr. Speaker, is that all the schools that have grades nine and ten have been asked to submit two names of youth and the youth will be coming here to represent our MLAs and sit in our chairs, ask questions, be Ministers, the whole works.

Yesterday and today the Mildred Hall School in Yellowknife here did a trial run with our staff. The staff had gone to the schools, explained the process and worked with the students and they would like to thank the teacher that they worked mainly with was Yasemin Heyck.

Mr. Speaker, I had an opportunity today to watch the grade seven and eight students in the House here and they made Ministers' statements and Members' statements, there were oral questions, there was a Speaker. It was very well done and I was quite impressed with some of the statements that were made on how to improve education in Mildred Hall, more field trips in education, the name of the Northwest Territories, they did not think too much of Bob either. Also, they thought it would be a good idea to have a better place to skateboard in Yellowknife.

Under oral questions there were questions on a central hiring agency, royalties from diamond mines and those types of things. I am told that the youth had their own questions, although the staff did help some of them in formulating the questions. I was quite impressed with the young fellow, Michael Lane, who sat in my seat. He did a much better job than I. He asked a similar question to what I had asked a month ago about student jobs in the summer. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 110-13(7): Territorial Youth Legislative Assembly

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? Mr. Erasmus , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Member's Statement 110-13(7): Territorial Youth Legislative Assembly

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, colleagues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was saying, Michael Lane was sitting in my chair and he did a very good job asking questions about the student summer jobs and having a central agency for that. It was very ironic because about a month or so ago, the last time we were here, I had asked a very similar question to the Minister. Anyway, some of the students that I recognized from Yellowknife North were Dahti Scott, Aaron Norwegian, Alex Wah-shee and Carmen Braden, who acted as the Premier , and I would like to congratulate all the students on a job well done and we look forward to seeing the other students from the rest of the territories in May. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 110-13(7): Territorial Youth Legislative Assembly

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 111-13(7): History Of Fort Resolution And The North

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk a bit about Fort Resolution, the oldest community in the western Arctic. As some Members know, Fort Resolution used to be the oldest trading centre and the most active one at the turn of the century. Fort Resolution was founded as a trading post, a Northwest Trading Company as well as the Hudson Bay Trading Company, and it grew also into one of the biggest hospital centres in the western Arctic. It had a major hospital there run by the Catholic church, as well as it had a major educational centre called residential schooling.

As Fort Resolution grew, also the Northwest Territories grew, but its shift started to change from a fur type, renewable resource economy to a non-renewable resource economy.

For example, the gold mines in Yellowknife. When the gold mines in Yellowknife started up, the closest resources for timber were in the Slave River lowlands and in the Slave River Valley. Back in the 1930s they started logging and sawing in the Slave River lowlands, just outside of Fort Resolution, and the majority of the people working in those sawmills came from my community, Fort Resolution. In those days, Mr.

Speaker, they had about five or six sawmills along the Slave River and Jean Marie River and they used to saw logs by hand with a crosscut saw and saw them up in the sawmills, load the barges by hand and bring it to Yellowknife for timbers for the gold mines here. They also supplied much of the lumber that built Yellowknife and that is in some of the older buildings in this community.

Consequently, Mr. Speaker, you do have the enjoyment of visiting elders in our community and every time you visit an elder they all talk about working in the sawmill. They all talk about doing that type of work to support their family, so you do have grandfathers that have worked in sawmills, you do have fathers that have worked in sawmills and now you have the sons that are working in the present sawmill in Fort Resolution. This is part of the culture of Fort Resolution, it is part of our history and we will continue to do that.

The people of Fort Resolution are proud people and we all want to work for our dollars, none of us want to get welfare. So, in the end, Mr. Speaker, I came from Fort Resolution yesterday, I saw a yard full of logs and everybody was looking at hearing that headsaw fire up. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 111-13(7): History Of Fort Resolution And The North

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 112-13(7): Recognition Of Two Outstanding Constituents

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I raise to recognize two very important residents of my region. Both Doreen Nitsiza of Wha Ti and Eddie Weyallon of Rae-Edzo are volunteer workers in their communities. Over the years both have worked very hard helping their communities to become a better place to live and raise a family. Over the years Doreen has volunteered her time and energy coaching and raising money for the volleyball team and has served with the Wha Ti Sport and Culture Association for many years.

Eddie Weyallon has committed his time volunteering for the past 30 years, and has served under seven different chiefs as the Rae Band's head boss for organizing events and a role model for the younger generations.

Voluntarism is a very important part of all communities. If it were not for volunteers, most if not all carnivals, dances, bingos, community radio channels, community feasts and the list continues, would never take place. We need these generous people and I thought today I would recognize two of these very important members of our community and thank them for their hard work and dedication. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 112-13(7): Recognition Of Two Outstanding Constituents

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Return To Oral Question 58-13(7): Diamond Training Programs

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on March 29, 1999. The government has spent approximately $200,000 to train northern people at Sirius Diamonds diamond processing plant. Sirius Diamonds is currently in the process of setting up its new facility in the City of Yellowknife and will be making permanent job offers to seven of the candidates who started the initial training program. As well, we have been advised by Sirius Diamonds that ten additional job offers will be made to participants in the current Aurora College diamond pre-employment program. Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 58-13(7): Diamond Training Programs

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas, who has been here many days trying to slug through the same stuff that we have. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognitions of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 88-13(7): Grade Extensions In Small Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . It is partially in relation to the Minister's Forum on Education. Mr. Speaker, recently we have been hearing that people from Deline had wanted to be able to send their children to a school in Yellowknife, presumably because they felt that they could get a better education here. I have not really gotten any more information on that item, but did hear a news broadcast on that.

In the Minister's Forum on Education, there are several comments here that the grade extensions have come up with a modest increase in the graduation rate, but it certainly has not increased at the same rate as the participation rate. It goes on to say that high schools in many communities are only able to offer a narrow range of courses because they have fewer teachers and more limited range of subject expertise, and specialized resources for math and sciences are highlighted as inadequate.

Also, opportunities are more limited in small schools for extracurricular activities such as competitive sports, and interesting learning opportunities outside the classroom, and other points are made. Mr. Speaker, what I would like to know is has the Minister had any time to consider this particular area of the Minister's Forum report and also, stemming from the Deline request?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have indicated in the House previously, we are working on the recommendations, we recognise that there are some big ones that are very expensive but there are others that we think we can come forward with a realistic plan for implementation. I have indicated that we intend to do that. I intend to be able to bring something forward when we gather in June that will show the result of that work with the department with the ministerial forum members and with the DEAs and DECs providing feedback.

At this point I cannot respond specifically to that other than to say, all of these recommendations are being looked at and we are going to bring forward something for this House to look at. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, does the Minister know if his staff have been able to verify whether the problems that have been identified by the parents and the teachers in the smaller communities, whether there is some truth to their claims? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not think that there is any question of anybody doubting what has been brought forward in terms of recommendations or feedback. The issue of adequate resources has been discussed quite thoroughly and will continue to be discussed quite thoroughly. The department is aware, as we all are, that there is a need for additional resources in a lot of the areas that have been highlighted in this report. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister contemplate reopening such places as Akaitcho Hall for students to come to the larger centres, as it seems that even the community people themselves are asking for such a thing.? If things are born out the way they are told, would he consider such a move?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of re-opening of residential schools is a very complex one given the history. I think the Western Arctic Leadership Program, for instance, plays a valuable role, but at this point I am not contemplating at all the re-opening of Akaitcho Hall under any kind of condition. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will direct my question to the Premier . It is regarding my Member's statement and the whole idea that we do have certain policies in place to assist businesses especially in the smaller communities. I mentioned a few examples, Storr & Sons in Aklavik, and I made reference to Ursus Aviation and also there are a few other companies that I would like to mention such as Tetlit'zheh Construction Ltd. and Ferguson Simek Clark. These are companies that have made an attempt to establish their businesses in the remote communities and in the regions. Mr.

Speaker, some of these companies are finding themselves in a position of either having to move their business out of the Inuvik region or else consider closing down their business altogether. I think that for us to support our communities in the community business sector we have to ensure that these policies are there to assist them not to put a burden on them with regard to opening up the floodgates to allow companies to move in such as in the case of Ferguson Simek Clark, where they have had

to shut their doors and move back to Yellowknife.

I would like to ask the Premier exactly, the Business Incentive Policies, we have sole source negotiated contracts and site-specific contracts. Can the Premier tell me what is this government doing to ensure that there is some protection or mechanisms in place to ensure the business community in our small communities will be able to continue to operate in the future?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is asking what this government is doing in regard to taking care of the business sector in the small communities. We have been separated from Nunavut for just 21 days. One of the elements of the Agenda for the New North is to focus and put our energies towards what we have here in the new Northwest Territories. In that line the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is taking the lead role in the economic strategy that we are proposing here. We have already initiated that last year, in the fall, and he has the lead role in this case to pursue. It is a general bigger picture.

Before, when we were all together we still had the same policies, but now that we have our own jurisdiction to take care of we should turn our attention and focus on to what we have. We should have an assessment of what we have. We should look at what we have in all sectors, not only in the businesses that are in the smaller communities, but look at what we have in terms of resources like oil and gas, forestry, tourism, mining, diamond mines. We should look at the infrastructure we have in the communities and we should look at the people that we have, the human resources that we currently have in the Northwest Territories and have a good assessment of what is there now.

I think that the economic strategy will attempt to do this, to look at all the different issues. I think it will be a good forum to discuss all issues including the concern of the honourable Member who is asking what is this government doing to protect these businesses in the small communities and, now that we have our own territory, why do we not turn our attention and focus to look at and assess the total Northwest Territories, including what the honourable Member is requesting of this government. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the concern that I raise comes from the riding that I represent where I do have a lot of small communities and in some cases they depend on the contracts that do come out. Especially in the case of Aklavik where Storr & Sons are the only local contractor, yet they find it hard to compete with a lot of the bigger companies within the region. I feel that we have to somehow find a mechanism that we do recognize that there is a difference of maintaining and operating equipment in an isolated community such as Aklavik where you have limited opportunities.

I would like to ask the Premier exactly how does he see the smaller communities being involved in this economic strategy to ensure that these type of contractors will have some protection in the future?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from my understanding of the economic strategy, the Minister will attempt to develop the strategy through the community level on up through the system. We would like to take that strategy and get the input from both the people and businesses at the community level and develop it from the ground up. That is the direction that this strategy will be attempting to pursue. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe we just spent around $750,000 on this economic strategy with a consultant that basically pulled it together for us. I hope we are not going to be spending more money to go out to try to fix something that we already know needs fixing. I would like to ask exactly, is there a way that there can be an internal review on the problems that I have encountered in the last number of months in my riding, especially from companies such as Storr & Sons, Tetlit'zheh Construction out of Fort McPherson, the band corporation in Fort McPherson?

It seems like it is an internal problem with the department that manages or monitors these contracts. Is there a possibility of having this problem dealt with sooner rather than later, instead of having to wait for another review?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the different examples the honourable Member is using in the request here are different instances that have happened over a number of months. I am sure that, knowing the departments that are handling this, there is probably a very good reason for why contracts were done the way they were done. Certainly we will look at it, get a briefing on each particular situation that the honourable Member is concerned about and, I am sure there is an explanation for the way each department has handled the particular issues that the honourable Member is raising at this time. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the review, there is, I believe, a case where Tetlit'zheh Construction is now having to try to resolve this case of the construction of the school in Fort McPherson. I thought this project was going to happen and now, from what I can make of it, they are having to go to arbitration because they cannot sit in the same room with the Department of Public Works in Inuvik. Can the Premier also consider looking at that issue?

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions will be for Mr. Miltenberger , the Minister of Education . Teachers today are facing increasing workloads and greater expectations from society. At the same time, they have been under pressure with decreasing salaries and less opportunities for professional development. Their issue is not just about salaries, Mr. Speaker. Teachers need to feel that they are valued and that their professional concerns are addressed.

I wonder if the Minister could tell us, considering the situation of competing issues and competing jurisdictions for teachers elsewhere, such as the south, the provinces and other countries for that matter, how we are going to retain and attract teachers? My specific question is, what measures are now in place to retain and attract teachers?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is an issue of growing concern. The Member's question is in regard to what is currently in place. What is currently in place is the benefit package we have. The position we have as a government in terms of housing and recruitment that goes on through the boards and DECs is what is currently in place.

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I am sure the Minister will agree, and I realize he is in a tough position on this matter because it is dollar-related, to try and keep a happy workforce. I am sure it is very difficult, but the government is the government and they have to address these issues. I guess my next question, then, relates to what programs the Minister is initiating to remedy the forecasted potential teacher shortage and the dilemma experienced throughout the country? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the collective bargaining process has been initiated between the government and the NWTTA, which will speak to the issue of benefits and pay. I have met with the department on the issue of retention and recruitment and I am aware, as the Member is, of the trends across the country in terms of the shortage of teachers, the intense competition. I am also aware that the level of applications for positions in the north has dropped. We are also trying to find out why there has been a lowering, as well, of people applying to join the TEP program itself to move towards a teaching degree.

We are taking steps to try to find out, in terms of recruitment and getting people into TEP, into our own teaching programs. We are going to be looking at, as I indicated with the collective bargaining process, the social programs. Ministers are going to be meeting on Monday, hopefully, if it goes as planned, and one of the issues on there for across the government is the issue of housing for professions such as teachers and nurses, to see how we can, in fact, look at that.

We are taking steps, we are very cognizant of this issue, we are aware, very clearly, what is happening with the professions of nursing and that we, if trends continue, could be heading in the same direction to the same degree. We would like to be proactive before we get to that level. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's effort in that area. I think it is a good indication of the concern by the government. Could the Minister also tell us if they will be addressing the issue of the wages and benefits package during the discussions or meetings that are scheduled? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of wages and benefits will be dealt with through the collective bargaining process that is now underway between the government and the NWTTA and I am not in a position, because it is a bargaining process, to speak to that issue. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is an area, I believe, that the government can address and that is the area of working conditions. I wonder if the Minister could address the

issue of class sizes and the diversity of classes? I realize that may involve a money factor, but it is within the control of the department to be able to address the issue, certainly, and do some analysis. Can the Minister tell me if he will look at changing the working conditions? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of working conditions, if my recollection is correct, is also referenced in the ministerial forum and relates, as the Member indicated, to pupil/teacher ratio and such. So, yes, that will be considered as we look at trying to move ahead on responding to those particular recommendations in the forum. Thank you.

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Question 91-13(7): Education Conditions In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 248

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to Mr. Miltenberger , the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, I believe in the NWT we have among the highest pupil/teacher ratio in Canada, we have the highest level of special needs students in Canada, we have the highest level of illiteracy in Canada in our schools, we have the highest dropout rates in Canada and we have the highest suicide rates in Canada. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, are those statements an accurate reflection of the situations that we have in our schools in the NWT? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I received the same letter from Mr. Sims with the same issues outlined and while I cannot speak directly to each one, I have no reason to doubt them from the briefings we have had as a government and as MLAs in regard to the specific topics mentioned by the Member. I believe, yes, we lag behind every other jurisdiction in Canada in terms of those social indicators. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand from what the Minister says that we have received briefings in this House and in Caucus from various departments and particularly from the Department of Education that these, in fact, are accurate.

I guess I would ask, I beg, I would implore the Minister and indeed all of the Ministers of this government if, in fact, you know a situation needs help like the areas I have outlined, would you please, if you have the spare $350,000 to spend, would you in future put it into something that can assist in these problem areas that we have instead of looking for spending the money that we do not have additional resources to fix, finding problems that we have?

Would the Minister commit to ensuring that he will not perform any additional studies until we at least fix the problems that we have identified already? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very clearly, I share the Member's perspective, that I am now into, and I think we are now into, implementation and solutions as opposed to study. Being in a perpetual state of study and planning can only carry you so far and does get expensive. So, yes, we are not intending to do any further studies, we are now intending to come up with concrete plans of action. Thank you.

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Question 92-13(7): Veracity Of Budget Statement

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . In the hand out, the GNWT Budget 1999-2000, the Finance Minister states in there, and it is bolded and highlighted, there are no cuts to existing programs in the GNWT 1999-2000 Budget. Is this a true statement, Mr. Premier ? Thank you.

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The Premier , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, to the best of my knowledge. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sorry, I did not hear the answer. Maybe he could repeat it. Thank you.

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Mr. Antoine , would you like to repeat your answer?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the best of my knowledge, the statement that is in the brochure is correct. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Also in the statement, the same statement, the Minister states "my priority as Finance Minister is to secure the financial tools the north must have to meet our future head -on and to succeed at making our vision for tomorrow a reality." Is part of this government's vision to make our communities more independent? Is part of this government's vision to make our communities benefit from their

existent knowledge? Is part of this government's vision to ensure that our small communities not only become more independent, but become more self-sufficient with what tools they have within that community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. There were three questions asked. Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. I guess the answer is yes, that is the intention of this government is to attempt to use what we have in terms of resources to work with the communities to see what could be developed. Certainly we support all the abilities of the community to generate their own economy, to maximize the benefits that are in their communities in terms of resources. This is what we are saying. Certainly we would like to work with the communities to do that, but like I said earlier, we have just about 21 days since we had division.

We have to refocus on what we have in terms of our resources, in terms of the financial resources, in terms of human resources. What are the possibilities out there? We have to reassess what we have and once we know what we have and how we are going to do it, then we will move ahead with what we have. In the meantime, we will try to maintain what we have. That is the direction that we are taking at this time. Thank you.

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Sorry, Mr. Morin . You did ask three questions. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 93-13(7): Grade Extension Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 249

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Miltenberger should be very pleased that after so few days in Cabinet he is by far the most popular Cabinet Minister. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Miltenberger made a very categorical statement just a few moments ago in response to Mr. Erasmus ' questions about grade extensions. He stated that he would have no intent of reopening Akaitcho Hall under any circumstances. Mr.

Speaker, I think that grade extensions in communities where people want them and where they succeed is a noble goal and I am just amazed by the Minister's categorical dismissal of any consideration for students in small communities ever coming into larger centres again.

It is not difficult to figure out that you could not possibly offer the same options for courses and things like sports and extracurricular activities in a community of 400 that you could offer in a community of 7,000, just as Yellowknife with 17,000 may not offer all the educational extracurricular options of a community of 40,000 people. It is all relative to the population. I do understand that there is a community that is asking for the reinstatement of some form of what we had before.

Certainly all the people in the north that I know that attended Grandin or Akaitcho, people who are 40-something and 50-something, you hear them speak of that particular educational experience in a very positive light. So my question is, I am curious why the Minister is so definitive in his denial of any consideration on the part of this government of such a program again? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my recollection of what I said is that I am not contemplating, at any point, reopening Akaitcho Hall. I am not denying students from smaller communities the right to come to larger communities to go to school in other circumstances. Am I, as a Minister, thinking of resurrecting Akaitcho Hall in the magnitude that it was in its heyday with the cost and all the attendant issues now surrounding residential schools? No, I am not.

Will there come a day when there is a huge ground swell of support in the Northwest Territories to resurrect residential schools like Akaitcho Hall, like Grollier Hall, like Breynat Hall. If that day ever comes and I am still alive to see it, then I am sure the government will take a serious look at it, but I can tell you at this point I am not interested in trying to revive the old system of residential schools. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think the Minister would probably agree that there is a vast difference between taking a child of six or seven years of age away from their parents and picking them up at the beginning of the school year and dropping them off at Christmas. I think there is a vast difference between that scenario, as a residential school, than some of the high school options that we saw available in years gone by. Does the Minister have any statistics that show how grade extensions are doing?

Do they work better in terms of achievement and graduation than children, say of the age of 16, going to a larger center and completing their high school in a larger center if that was their choice and their option? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr Speaker, I do know that the rates of students going to school has increased. Although graduation rates are not where we like them, grade extensions have shown an improvement in young people attending school and staying in school. I do not have the level of detail that the Member is requesting. I will commit to providing that information for her. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister be prepared to provide the House with evidence of increased attendance rates in the small communities where the grade extensions have been put in place? Thank you,

Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

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Yes, I would, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . To follow up on the grade extensions, Mr. Speaker, some years back I had an opportunity to attend the Thebacha Campus in Fort Smith and take the business administration program. The courses that you could take were very limited. Two years later, I went to Lethbridge University. I took the same program but I could take all kinds of different courses. I had a very good selection of courses to take, better qualified teachers with masters, some with doctorates,

whereas there had not been any in Thebacha College. I am not saying that is the case with the teachers, that they are better qualified.

However, I certainly see the similarity in the types of courses that they are able to offer in a small school in relation to some place like Yellowknife or even Fort Smith or Hay River, the larger schools. What I would like to know is, do we fund the Western Arctic Leadership Program in any way? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Western Arctic Leadership Program has been existence for, I believe, almost eight years and was started by my colleague, Mr. Kakfwi , when he was Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Yes, we do provide some funding to the Western Arctic Leadership Program to the tune of, I believe, $165,000 per year. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister indicate how many students go through this leadership program per year?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the number this year is 17. It ranges anywhere from about 14 to 19, depending on how many apply.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, could the Minister indicate if the leadership program children are able to take a full range of courses such as you could find perhaps in Yellowknife and perhaps even maybe more than what you could take in Yellowknife or one of the larger centers? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the students in the Western Arctic Leadership Program attend school at P.W. Kaeser High School in Fort Smith and access the same educational courses that are open to all the other students in Fort Smith.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Why is the Minister condoning a second-rate education for the rest of the community children out there and making it available for only a very select few students, less than 20 per year? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not condoning second-rate education for anybody. Thank you.

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Question 95-13(7): Fort Resolution Sawmill Industry

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question would be to the Premier , just to finish up the questioning I was asking earlier. As the Premier heard in my Member's statement, it was good to hear that the Premier said that one of the main priorities of this government is to keep what we have and commit to work with the communities. In my Member's statement, Mr. Speaker, I talked about all the knowledge and the tradition and the culture going back in Fort Resolution on the sawmill.

I ask the Premier again, is that a priority of this government to work with communities such as Fort Resolution, with the existing labour and the existing equipment in that community, to ensure that that community becomes economically viable and that industry survives in the new Western Territory? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the situation in Fort Resolution in regard to the sawmill has been there for many years, and the people are dependent on the sawmill to put food on the table and gain employment. Certainly, we would like to continue to work with the community to make sure that this industry continues into the future. What we are attempting to do is, I think the Minister responsible has already contacted the chief and had some discussion with him in regard to the future of the sawmill. I think these talks are ongoing.

The intention here is that we have to continue to work with the community to make sure that this whole industry survives and keeps on providing employment for the community. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is good to hear the Premier 's commitment to the community of Fort Resolution. Also, I would just like to tell this Legislative Assembly, as well as the Premier , the community is totally committed to making this operation viable. Later on today, Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling the business plan in this House that was prepared by the NWT Development Corporation in conjunction with the community of Fort Resolution.

But also, Mr. Speaker, can the Premier advise myself if it is the practice, or can it be the practice of your Ministers, when you do have senior management going in to talk about the future of the economic well-being of any one of our communities and when you are talking about the major economic job provider in the community, that they can have at least the decency and the common courtesy to inform the MLA that their deputy minister is going into the community? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. I would like to apologize to the honourable Member if there has been an oversight, but I understand that there was a message left for the honourable Member prior to the deputy minister going in there. We will make sure that he gets contacted in person in the future before any such trip is arranged for talking about the sawmill in Fort Resolution. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am watching the number of questions so I do not get out of hand. Mr. Premier , can I get a commitment from yourself as the Premier of this government to come to Fort Resolution and meet with the community as well as to see the logging operations and as well to see the Slave River lowlands where we have harvested in the past? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this will be a very good time of the year to go into anybody's country, and I certainly will accept that invitation. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to Mr. Steen , the Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation. Last December, my private Member's bill to amend the Public Highways Act and the Motor Vehicles Act was passed in this Assembly. The amendments allow the Commissioner, and therefore the Minister, to set maximum speed limits of more than 98 kilometres per hour on highways where appropriate. Mr. Speaker, I introduced that bill because of the number of concerns that I had received from people who drive the highway and also from the tourists that come up the highway.

They feel that it is just a little long to be at 90 kilometres an hour, even though we do have a lot of scenery.

My question to the Minister is, has the department given some consideration or has the Minister given direction to the department to follow the wishes of this legislature in increasing the speed limit on the highway comparable to Alberta for that portion of the highway that would it be acceptable to that speed limit? In other words, Mr. Speaker, I am just talking about the portion from the border to Fort Rae. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member's question in regard to increasing the speed limit in reference to the motion passed in the House, the department is considering all aspects of the motion including the effects of increasing the speed limits on the highway. The department is including in the review the fact that there are buffalo on the highway, the fact that certain conditions of the highway are contributing towards accidents and the overall effect of increasing the speed limits on the general public. The department has advised me that they will have a report ready from the review early this summer. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can certainly see why it takes so long to upgrade the highway between Yellowknife and Fort Rae, if it takes that long to get a report read after some legislation has been presented in this House. My question to the Minister is, is there no way of speeding this up, Mr. Speaker? If this type of report waits until the summertime, the tourist traffic will be up, we will have more tourists that will be bringing a sad message down south that it takes too long to get to the north at 90 kilometres per hour where you have the same caliber of road

that you do in any part of Alberta. Will the Minister commit to putting a little flame underneath the department personnel that are working on this report and bring it back to the House in a more timely fashion? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Member, the speed to respond seems to be related to the speed on the highway. So, I will commit to the Member, I will ask my department to see if it can speed this thing up to possibly have the speed limit increased or stay the same by the time tourist season starts. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that, I would also like it if the Minister as part of that report, could have some of the department personnel check to find out if there would be such things as buffalo on the highways in Alberta, too, where the speed limit is at 100 kilometres per hour. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, part of the things we have to take into consideration is, simply because people drive over the speed limit does not necessarily mean it is a safe speed limit. All aspects of increasing the speed limit will have to be considered, including the suggestion that by making it a lower speed limit is a safer speed limit, particularly for tourists during the tourist season. However, all these aspects that are related to increasing the speed limit will be taken into consideration and the department will respond and I hope by the tourist season, the start of the tourist season, which I presume is the end of May. Thank you.

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Thank you. Again, just to remind the Members regarding question period and one of the guidelines for questions is, a question must not be trivial, vague or meaningless or frivolous. So, just to remind the Members. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Henry . Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 97-13(7): Meeting Education Demands

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Educat