Debates of March 5th, 2007

This is page numbers 1141 - 1202 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was water .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Addictions Programs And Services

International Polar Year

Territorial Coordination To Address Issues Of Water And Climate Change

Changes To Northern Wildlife Resulting From Climate Change

Sustainability Of Northern Water Resources

Adherence To Land Claim Water Management Provisions

Shared Responsibility For Protecting Northern Water Resources

Mackenzie River Basin Summit

GNWT Position On Large-scale Resource Development In Alberta

Environmental Accountability Of The Mackenzie Gas Project Proponents

Collective Action Required To Protect Northern Water Resources

Birthday Greetings To Mary Kendi Of Aklavik

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development

Environmental Accountability Of Mackenzie Gas Project Proponents

Discussions Of Caribou Matters At Meeting Of Territorial Premiers

Caribou Herd Population Surveys

Community Consultation On The Impacts Of Resource Developments On Northern Waterways

Transboundary Water Agreements

Water Protection Agreements

Addressing Mortgage Issues In Small Communities

Need For A Collaborative Provincial/territorial Water Strategy

Caribou Outfitters Court Challenge

Expanding Access To Hydroelectric Power To South Slave Communities

Incorporating Traditional Knowledge Into Water Management Policies

Fostering School Success Rates

Return To Written Question 40-15(5): Learning Centres In The Tlicho Region

Return To Written Question 41-15(5): Caribou Population Estimates

Return To Written Question 42-15(5): Caribou Management Actions

Tabled Document 104-15(5): WCB Comprehensive Response To Committee Report 5-15(5)

Tabled Document 105-15(5): Alberta Finance, Superintendent Of Pensions - Policy Bulletin No. 34, 50 Percent Unlocking

Climate Change

Right To Water

Referral Of WCB Response To Cr 5-15(5) To Committee Of The Whole

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Climate Change

Recorded Vote

Right To Water

Recorded Vote

Tabled Document 104-15(5): "workers' Compensation Board Comprehensive Response To Committee Report 5-15(5)" Moved Into Committee Of The Whole

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Future Socio-economic Agreements

Increased Investment In Tourism

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Hon. Michael McLeod , Hon. Kevin Menicoche , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social services , Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 77-15(5): Addictions Programs And Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is no denying there is a substance abuse problem in the NWT. Northerners drink more and drink more often than southern Canadians. The 2004 addiction survey found that 36 percent of northerners over the age of 15 drank heavily at least once a month. More recently, crack cocaine and crystal meth are addictive substances turning up in northern communities. Substance abuse causes upheaval in the lives of our residents, from children to seniors.

My main purpose of speaking today is to highlight the various options available to NWT residents for assistance with addictions. The work we do with families and communities is essential to stop the cycle of addictions and underlying mental health issues.

The Department of Health and Social services continues to invest in programs and services that offer those experiencing mental health or addictions problems the most appropriate care.

Through the client-focussed approach of the integrated service delivery model, northerners have access to primary community care teams who can empower them to address their addictions or mental health issues. There is also a range of high quality addictions programs, many of which are available at the community level. For other more specialized services, people have access to territorial programs.

The department is working to promote healthy lifestyles. We are developing a plan to launch a territorial addictions awareness campaign that aims to reduce and stop our youth from using alcohol and drugs. Prevention services offered at the community level include:

• the "Friends for Life Resiliency" training program, where community group leaders are trained to counsel children on ways to prevent the anxiety and depression that may eventually lead youth to use alcohol and drugs;

• the "Suicide Prevention" training program, where communities train their own residents in suicide prevention; and

• community wellness workers who provide education, prevention, basic counselling, referral and aftercare services to local residents.

The foundation of the NWT Mental Health and Addictions Strategy are the resources being developed in communities across the NWT. In terms of community counselling, I would like to highlight the following improvements:

• qualified mental health and addictions counsellors, who provide healing and counselling services at the community and regional level, are supported by clinical supervisors who ensure quality care;

• programs like Alcoholics Anonymous and Crack Busters provide peer support in communities across the NWT;

• non-government organizations such as Inuvik Family Services and the Tl'oondih Healing Society in Fort McPherson, provide community counselling;

• Tree of Peace in Yellowknife offers a comprehensive day program for those recovering from addictions;

• on-the-land prevention and healing programs are being developed by communities and health and social services authorities; and

• the NWT Helpline is answered by trained volunteers 365 days a year to help those in distress or direct them to find the right resources.

For those already dealing with addictions, often the first step toward recovery is through detoxification. Medical detoxification beds at Stanton Territorial Hospital and the Social Withdrawal Management Program at the Salvation Army are important services provided in the NWT for NWT residents on a referral basis.

A critical service for many people dealing with addictions is residential treatment. Each year over 150 NWT clients are referred to the Nats'ejee K'eh Treatment facility. So far this year, an additional 39 clients have been referred to southern facilities for more specialized treatment.

I must also stress the importance of ensuring clients returning home after treatment have access to support services within their communities to help them in their recovery phase. Mental health and addictions counsellors and community wellness workers support clients and their families once they graduate from a treatment program. Groups like Alcoholics Anonymous and Alanon also play an important role in the aftercare of our residents.

Mr. Speaker, addictions affect many of us and this government continues to place a priority on offering programs and services to prevent, treat and follow up with people suffering from addictions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 77-15(5): Addictions Programs And Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 78-15(5): International Polar Year

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the polar regions have profound significance for the Earth's climate and ultimately environments, ecosystems and human society. However, we still remain somewhat unaware of many aspects of how polar climate operates and its interaction with polar environments, ecosystems and societies.

International Polar Year, which started on March 1st, is an opportunity to add to this knowledge. During this two-year program of science, research and education, Canadian and international researchers from universities, northern communities and governments will work to advance our understanding of the cultural, social, economic and health dimensions of the circumpolar north. They will also examine the geophysical climate and biological processes in both the Arctic and Antarctic polar regions. This is the fourth International Polar Year. The first was held in 1882, the second in 1932 and the third in 1957.

International Polar Year will have a significant impact on the Northwest Territories, particularly once Canadian and foreign scientists will begin their research here. These scientists will be working through our research facilities including our Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre, Aurora College and the Aurora Research Institute. Several GNWT scientists and researchers are expected to be involved in these research projects.

Our government has taken steps to prepare for the influx of scientists and researchers to ensure that the results of the polar research directly benefit our communities.

This week, representatives of aboriginal governments, regional aboriginal organizations, Government of the Northwest Territories departments, the national International Polar Year office and communities are meeting in Inuvik to discuss community capacity and opportunities to participate in this two-year event.

In addition to enriching our knowledge about the circumpolar north, Mr. Speaker, International Polar Year will generate benefits for our communities. Some of these benefits will flow from providing goods and services to the scientists, researchers and their teams; others will flow through involvement of residents in the research activities. The research projects should also provide training and development for the next generation of NWT Arctic researchers and educational materials for our schools.

The greatest legacy of the International Polar Year will be its ability to provide more information about the circumpolar north including the possibilities of new scientific discoveries. Learning more about our North, its processes and how it is changing is invaluable to all of us as we deal with issues like climate change and contaminants.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories supports this valuable work. We will work with communities to ensure they have the opportunity to participate and benefit from it as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi cho.

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Minister's Statement 78-15(5): International Polar Year

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Territorial Coordination To Address Issues Of Water And Climate Change

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, every country in the world is facing pressures on water, on fresh water, including Canada, including the Northwest Territories. We know that. We can see that around us. We know that river levels are dropping. We know that groundwater is disappearing. We know there is enormous pressure south of us for research development that has a direct impact on what comes flowing through into the Northwest Territories.

Our concern about water is fuelled by climate change, which in turn is fuelled by a burgeoning population which is now about six billion people, which is expected to reach over 10 billion people in the next decade or so. That, in turn, fuels an insatiable demand for resource development and the pressure on us is to balance the resource development with a sustainable environment, a healthy environment, which his built on water.

Climate change is manifesting itself to us most fundamentally by water and what is happening to the water that comes into our territory and flows through into the ocean.

Mr. Speaker, there is a need for us, as a territory, to coordinate our efforts, internally first with the aboriginal governments and with the other stakeholder groups as we did with the Caribou Summit to plan out how we want to address the pressures that are tied to us and coming to us from water. Internally, we have to organize ourselves as a government and as a territory about how we use water ourselves, but of equal importance is how do we address the pressures in other jurisdictions, the transboundary issues, specifically in Alberta.

Right now, we have bands like Deninu Kue going on their own speaking their concerns about the tar sands development. We have the Dehcho people going to northern Alberta to talk about their concerns with the other aboriginal governments. Clearly there is a need for a united northern front which does not yet exist. Our obligation as a government is to coordinate that in the

coming months as we look forward to life past the 15th Assembly about how we are going to organize ourselves to deal with that particular issue which, in turn, will lead to that fundamental discussion about resource development, what is our best interest, how fast do we move and how fast do we exploit all the resources we have at our disposal. Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we will hear today, the issue of water and climate change is fundamental to the Northwest Territories and our survival, and I think, as a government, we have to take better steps to strengthen the processes we currently have to deal with those issues. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Changes To Northern Wildlife Resulting From Climate Change

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about climate change and the impact it's having on our wildlife. Mr. Speaker, if you have lived in the North like I have for the past 25 years, you can't help but notice the changes in our climate. As a young boy in the early 1980s, I can remember when winter was a solid block of 10 to 12 weeks of minus 30 or colder. Sure, today as you look outside, we do get some cold weather, but it certainly isn't the same in duration as it has been in the past. Our winters, undeniably, are getting milder.

The increased evidence of evasive species into our territory is something that our government must pay close attention to: white-tailed deer, coyotes, cougars and, with these new species, there are also worries about new insects. Speaking from personal experience, just last summer out near Long Lake here in Yellowknife, I saw at least 20 to 30 frogs. I am not a biologist but having grown up here, it was something I had never seen before. These were not the small, typical brown frog that I had seen as a young boy, but rather they were green, aquatic looking frogs that were well over six inches in length and there were many of these frogs there.

The environment is changing. That is a given. What we have to do as a government is ensure that we have enough resources to study and track our wildlife and how it is being impacted by climate change. I listened closely to the Minister about the $150 million that is earmarked for the International Polar Year. I would like to know when we can sign up to get some of this funding.

The Bathurst caribou management plan calls for an additional $8 million necessary to carry out the work to manage, count and track our caribou. We've had many discussions in this House about caribou during the past year. I believe that climate change is having a direct impact on migration routes, calving grounds and on our ability as a government to get accurate data on their whereabouts.

Mr. Speaker, we need additional resources and the reality is we aren't doing enough to manage our wildlife through this era of climate change. Mr. Speaker, as the latest grappling over the caribou numbers has shown us, we need to do much, much more. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Sustainability Of Northern Water Resources

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Among the many issues that face governments today, one stands out with glaring importance and that is the sustainability of clean, fresh water. It is our most precious resource; the very essence of life on this planet. In all of Canada, in all of the world, Mr. Speaker, Canada -- and especially our part of Canada -- is blessed with a ready abundance of clean, renewable water.

Great Bear and Great Slave lakes alone are listed as the seventh and ninth largest in the world by area. So it's little wonder, Mr. Speaker, that we northerners have taken this tremendous gift for granted for so long. But the signals are undeniable. Clean water is a gift that we can no longer count on as a given. It is under enormous threat due to our warming climate and the disappearing glaciers and snowfields of the South that feed the rivers flowing north.

Mr. Speaker, our northern waters are virtually under attack from the voracious pace of development in Alberta and British Columbia, the devastating effects of the Bennett Dam on the Peace-Athabasca delta after more than 30 years of impact are all too well known. They were followed up in more recent years by major pulp and paper development in northern Alberta and today the insatiable appetite for fresh water from the tar sands development. Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker, it may be an enormous hydro development virtually on our doorstep on the Alberta side of the Slave River near Fort Smith.

While there are many things that we can do as individuals, and communities, and territorial governments to manage and conserve water at our local levels, it is the threats from outside that we must heed. It is imperative, Mr. Speaker, that we use every resource available of research, traditional knowledge, treaty and modern day agreements, national and international law, to protect our rights to clean, reliable, uninterrupted waters. We must be at the legislative and regulatory tables that are now deciding what they will do tomorrow with the waters that we will inherit from them. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We must not be timid, we must not be coerced. This is one legacy that we, as northerners, must be unified on for the survival and the prosperity of our children. Mr. Speaker, we must not allow ourselves to be sidelined by a national government that has already signalled that it values Canada's reputation as a new energy superpower more than it does as a

sustainable place for Canadians to live. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Adherence To Land Claim Water Management Provisions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, over the years, there's been ongoing discussion and meetings on preserving fresh water here in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, we just heard over the news that the oil sands in McMurray is about to get a green light to expand the oil sands, or has it already been given a green light from the federal government? I may be a bit too late on the newsflash. The Fort McMurray oil sands is of interest to all of us here in the great north. The water passage, the water flow system from McMurray to the NWT are all interconnected to the communities, however you want to look at it, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, water is sacred to us, the people of the North; especially those that oversee the management of water, land and wildlife: the aboriginal governments. We have always protected and preserved the clean, healthy water for our consumption, and for the respected neighbouring species and wildlife.

Mr. Speaker, I can only speak specifically to the Tlicho Agreement, an agreement that was signed off by this Government of the Northwest Territories. There are some important chapters we must keep in mind when dealing with the water and land management. First is

chapter 21 of the Tlicho Agreement, since the water is of high importance here in the North.

Chapter 21 explains the water rights and management. Also

chapter 22, land and water regulations. Mr. Speaker, we have to respect these important chapters. The word, R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Mahsi.

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Adherence To Land Claim Water Management Provisions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Shared Responsibility For Protecting Northern Water Resources

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd also like to raise the issue of climate change and water here in the House. I'm aware that the general public and many Members of this House, note the direct correlation between these two very important issues facing northerners, Canadians, and basically all humankind over the next hundred years if no steps to address these concerns are taken today.

Mr. Speaker, we often hear of many countries holding many conferences every day and many meetings on climate change and clean water management and the impending doom of humankind if we do not make a concerted effort to deal with the world's rising temperatures because of CO2 emissions and the looming water crisis that both developed and non-developed countries will experience. I can go on and on about all these issues, Mr. Speaker, but there are many books on these issues and I encourage many people to pick them up and read them as they've become more important to many young folks today.

Because I am an aboriginal northerner, Mr. Speaker, I will keep my concerns raised on issues related to my constituency of Tu Nedhe and how climate emissions and water quantity and quality and, in particular, the use of are raising many eyebrows in my constituency and the lack of acknowledgment and support by our government to adamantly defend our First Nations' stand on proposed changes on our water supply systems due to increased development in the Mackenzie River water basin.

Sole responsibility to protect our major water supply in the NWT should not, and does not, lie in the hands of one First Nations band here in the NWT, in particular the Deninu Kue First Nations. But it seems like they are the only ones who are standing up to address and defend our water supply when issues of large expanded oil sands development within the Mackenzie River water basin are being addressed at an inter-jurisdictional forum of this importance.

Mr. Speaker, we all have to be united on issues of a global nature and importance, like this water and climate change. Our unity has to begin with a government and the people they represent stepping up to the plate together at all times to ensure that everyone's rights to clean water and pristine environment are paramount to our survival and our spiritual integrity. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Mackenzie River Basin Summit

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some time ago when I was in Tulita and listening to the elders speak on water and the climate change -- this was about 10 or 15 years ago -- Chief George Kodakin and Chief Paul Wright spoke on the things that were going to come down the valley to affect our people on the Mackenzie River. Chief Kodakin and Paul Wright spoke, just popped into the community hall. They were talking about the prophecies and they were talking about the water being an issue and how the weather was going to change in the future.

Not being very interested in politics at that time as I am today with my other Members around this House here, I thought why are these elders talking about climate change and water? It's not going to happen. Paul Wright talked about how the river is going to be dirty and how one day when we put our fishnets in the water, that when we lift them up there's going to be no fish or there's going to be dead fish in them, and it's not going to be very good fish to eat, and how the river system is going change in the Mackenzie River, and Mr. Kodakin talked about how the weather is going to change.

That's how the elders talked to us.

Even today, the weather is changing on us. Yet, you know, just hearing it on the radio, my colleague said the Alberta tar sands has conditional approval to go ahead, and how critical it is for us in the Northwest Territories that it's going to have a huge impact on our lifestyle and our

life and the lakes in the Northwest Territories, the Mackenzie River, and we're opting for big development. There's a real fine balance.

Mr. Speaker, the six members on this Mackenzie water basin that we rely on to have clean water in the future and to ensure the integrity of this clean water, to ensure that we can have, that we take for granted, they're coming to meet. We should have, as I heard, a territorial response or a territorial meeting to look at this issue here. It's not only in the South; it's all down the Mackenzie River here. We as northern people, our future generations depend on it.

So again, going back to the elders and to those prophecies, it is coming true. We don't do anything. But we could change it. We certainly can change it for our children, change it for our life, and this government certainly needs to step up to the plate to bat for nice clean water. Thank you.

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Mackenzie River Basin Summit

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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GNWT Position On Large-scale Resource Development In Alberta

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, globally, 2006 was the sixth warmest year on record, continuing a trend of increasingly hotter years. According to scientists, the 10 warmest years since climate data started being collected on a global scale in 1961 have occurred since 1995. Since the start of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen almost approximately seven degrees Celsius. However, warming has accelerated dramatically since 1976 and is now at a rate that is approximately three times higher than that of the century scale trend.

Through the burning of fossil fuels and other activities, humans have pumped large amounts of the greenhouse gasses, such as carbon dioxide, into the atmosphere trapping the heat at the earth's surface and causing widespread warming worldwide and this is profoundly changing the earth's climate.

Mr. Speaker, I'm talking about things on a global issue, but here we are in the Legislature, the 15th Assembly of the Government of the Northwest Territories, sitting here in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories. We are the leaders. We have a role to play. This is not an activity for us to take a spectator's role. This is for us to get in the ring and start fighting because this has to do very much with us. We have a greater role and a greater opportunity to influence policy and legislation, with regard to greenhouse gas emissions, than anyone else.

If legislators don't have an opportunity to affect the outcomes with respect to these issues, who does? I think it's high time that we stopped taking a sideline approach to this issue and get more active and more outspoken about this.

I, for one, as a Member of this Legislature, do not know what our government's position is on the incredulous expansion of the Alberta Athabasca tar sands project just south of us. I don't know what this government's position is on the creation of a hydro dam on the Slave River. I don't know who goes to the meetings and represents us except, perhaps, some senior bureaucrats when these kinds of issues are being discussed. I think they are too important to leave to our staff, as good as they may be at communicating our position. I believe that these issues need to be elevated to the position of Premier and the highest level of discussions in our land, because Canadians expect that of us...

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Paul Delorey

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just in conclusion, I just want to say that Canadians have indicated that protection of the environment is one of the highest priorities facing this country today and again I say that we, as legislators and as representatives of those people, have the responsibility to ensure that high standards are set and that we get in the fight. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statement. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Environmental Accountability Of The Mackenzie Gas Project Proponents

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The David Suzuki Foundation produced the document entitled "All Over the Map: 2006 Status Report of Provincial Climate Change Plans." This report looks at provincial climate change efforts. It assesses each province's plan and analyzes each one's commitment to meeting the challenges of climate change. It says, with a couple of exceptions, most provinces and territories aren't leading in areas that they could be. Mr. Speaker, sadly, the Northwest Territories isn't one of those exceptions. In fact, the status report lists our performance as poor. Saskatchewan was the only province with a worse performance than ours.

Mr. Speaker, one of the recommendations the report makes is to cancel the Mackenzie Valley pipeline project and develop a sustainable energy and economic development strategy instead. As we all know, plans for the Mackenzie Valley pipeline and further natural gas production will lead to skyrocketing GHG emissions in the territory. Industry, like I mentioned, is the major contributor to the problem -- just over 50 percent of the GHGs, Mr. Speaker -- and we keep putting significant pressure and focus on residents to tighten their belts, but as we ignore the big groups we put pressure again on the smallest offenders.

Is this a case strictly based on "The Emperor Has No Clothes" and we're afraid to say no to the big giant? I don't know, Mr. Speaker. But Members of this House passed a motion in support of the pipeline, but I also think at the time we had the understanding that a resource revenue sharing agreement was pending and the territory would derive some benefit and control over our future.

Mr. Speaker, oil and gas industry has given us weak responses in order to avoid using the lower emissions that a Great Bear River project to develop a power station on the Great Bear...Sorry, Mr. Speaker. But that project on the Bear River could provide a lot of clean, cheap energy. If the pipeline goes ahead, the producers should be held accountable for their increase to their greenhouse gas emissions. These companies make billions of dollars in profit each year, Mr. Speaker. We have given them the carrot, Mr.

Speaker, in the form of a comfort letter in the past, but perhaps now we should be using the stick approach. I think we should be considering and be willing to look at issues such as carbon tax levies that could be used to help fund the Great Bear River project, the hydro project, that could help power communities along the Mackenzie Valley. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, on this issue we need clear leadership. We need to show who's in control of our resource development and tell industry that they have to listen to us. It's about seriously protecting our environment. Further, Mr. Speaker, one thing people have to learn is it's a privilege to work here in the Northwest Territories, it's a privilege for industry to be doing something here. So because the technical control still may lie in the absentee landlord, also known as Ottawa, we can't forget that the Northwest Territories government still has moral control over our revenues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Collective Action Required To Protect Northern Water Resources

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm also happy to join my colleagues today in speaking about protecting the health of our water and our environment as a whole. In doing so, Mr. Speaker, I'm reminded of the time some 29 years ago when my family and I took our long flight from Seoul, South Korea, to Yellowknife via Osaka, Japan, Vancouver, Edmonton to Yellowknife. I was a young girl and there were certain things I took for granted as being unchangeable cardinal rules that I had to revisit upon arrival in Yellowknife.

Such as there are four seasons of even three months in a calendar year or that the sun goes down by 6:00 p.m., even in the middle of the summer. Of course, coming to the land of the midnight sun, it was something I had to change my thinking on, and those are pretty fundamental changes at that age. But one that I would always remember and one that I never thought would change is the sight of countless white spots that I could see from the air. We couldn't figure out what they were until we landed and we had to ask around. We finally figured out these were the frozen lakes in the early spring of May.

Coming from the world where there had been summer for a couple of months, I didn't realize that there were so many lakes and that they would still be frozen. Of course, where I come from, there were two-thirds of land mass are mountains with rivers and streams running through them.

One thing, Mr. Speaker, that I also learned and I still can't get over is how big Great Slave Lake is. It's actually almost probably as big as the country of 40 million people that I came from. I always thought that even if everything else changed in the world, that we would always have the water that we could rely on as long as I lived. But almost 30 years later, that is all changing.

Mr. Speaker, one thing I didn't know then but I do know now is that we also live downstream from Alberta. In early '90s various sawmills and timber production companies were the ones that were contaminating our water, but now the insatiable appetite for water in oil sands is making those issues small in comparison. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to finish by saying we must find a way to do our resource development project in an environmentally sensitive manner. The debate that we're having in this House is a call for challenge for everyone in this House and the leaders near and far to join in a united and collective action to protect our water. I'm happy to put my foot forward and add my voice to this important call for action. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statement. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Birthday Greetings To Mary Kendi Of Aklavik

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Good afternoon. I would like to say a big happy birthday to a wonderful lady, Gaegou Mary Kendi of Aklavik who turned 92 yesterday, March 4, 2007.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, Mary is a well-respected elder from Aklavik. So many people have met her over the years and she's touched so many lives in her 92 years, but, more importantly, Mr. Speaker, Mary has always shared her knowledge and wisdom with the younger people.

More importantly, Mr. Speaker, Mary, who is well into her nineties, continues to participate in community meetings. You see her at the different assemblies that go on, and yet, Mr. Speaker, at 92 she's still very active. So, Mr. Speaker it gives me great honour to recognize a great role model and someone who inspires so many people that she has touched over her years, but also, Mr. Speaker, may she have many, many birthdays to come. At this time I would like to, again, wish Mary a very happy 92nd birthday. Happy birthday, Mary.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize Chief Fred Sangris from the Akaitcho.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Welcome everybody in the gallery today. I hope you're enjoying the proceedings. Oral questions. Honourable Member from Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement I alluded to questions as to what our government's position is on a number of major potential, some more imminent than others, on the Alberta side of the border. In light of the tremendous impact this could have on the Northwest Territories, I'd like the Minister responsible for the environment to detail for us what some of the positions that our government has taken with... Let's talk about the tar sands specifically.

We know that there's been an approval process that's been underway and that the Alberta government has basically been given a green light to issue permits and licences to proceed with this expansion. I would like to know what role our government had, if any, in those discussions and what legal right, I guess, we have to participate in that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last couple of months we've been very busy at ENR trying to get a handle on a number of issues that have come forward, including the issues reflecting some of the concerns on water, climate change and bringing some of our strategies forward. Mr. Speaker, our department has been in contact with a multi-stakeholder group through the department of the Alberta government and the tar sands. We've contacted the Environment Minister and have set up some meetings. We've also been in contact with some of the organizations that have voiced concern. Mr.

Speaker, we've now, more recently, just signed off on a framework agreement that will help us work with the Government of Alberta on controlling the water quality and water quantity. So that's gone out the door.

There are still a number of other issues we need to talk about. I've made contact with the Minister of Environment ; we've set up a meeting for March 20th -- Honourable Rob Renner -- and are going to talk about some of the issues that have come forward as a result of activity in Alberta. I should point out, Mr. Speaker, that under the Mackenzie River Basin Board's requirements, prior notification protocol, the Government of Alberta has to advise us on any activity that's happening south of the border. Having said that, Mr.

Speaker, we have to remember that some of this still falls under federal jurisdiction, so we have contacted the Minister of Environment , Mr. Lunn, and we also have contacted the Minister of Natural Resources . Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Supplementary To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that's a very good answer, however, I think we need a slightly larger role than to just be advised of what they're going to proceed with on the Alberta side of the border. We need to do more than...

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

We need to do more than monitor the development taking place down there. I'd like to ask the Minister what kind of agreements, memorandums of understanding, transboundary agreements, do we currently have in the Northwest Territories with Alberta that would give us the legal teeth to be more than just stakeholders? We're a little more than a stakeholder in this story. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I certainly agree with the honourable Member that we're more than just a stakeholder; we have to deal with all the downstream effects that come through development or climate change or otherwise. Mr. Speaker, it's been several years now that the Mackenzie Valley Basin Board has been in existence and part of the strategy is to sign transboundary agreements with all this jurisdictions. So far, the Northwest Territories is the only jurisdiction that has signed the agreement with the Yukon and now we have just signed the framework agreement. So I think we're ahead of the game. None of the other jurisdictions are at the same level we are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister what juncture are we at right now in terms of having any tangible affect on the expansion of the tar sands in the Fort McMurray area at this time? What tool is at our disposal to have an impact? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of projects that are included as part of the tar sands, some of them that have just come to the forefront within the last year. We have been in contact with the proponents in that area. The Government of Alberta has put forward, for the first time, a water management plan for the Athabasca River. We have signed a framework for all the different waters that flow into our jurisdiction. I think we have a lot of issues to deal with and I don't make any bones about it that we still have a lot of work to do. Having said that, we've done a lot in a very short time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Another question then, Mr. Speaker, for the Minister. We have scientific data today that would indicate that our river and lake levels are lower than they have been historically. Can the Minister tell the House, is there any correlation between the activity that's happening in the tar sands and those lower water levels; and if he can't tell us, how can we obtain the research that can tell us what the correlation is? We need to know those answers.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are looking at some of the possible affects that are causing the low waters. Mr. Speaker, I can only point to the most recent study that was done, that was done in 2004. The Mackenzie River Basin Board released its State of the Aquatic Ecosystem Report which showed that the overall surface water quality was fine and that it was capable of supporting all the aquatic life and plants and animals. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to follow up on my Member's statement. As the Member for Thebacha would say, all these issues are interrelated. So, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier if the pipeline goes ahead, will the public purse of the Northwest Territories be held accountable for the increase in our greenhouse gas emissions, or will industry be held responsible? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . I'm going to rule that question out of order. That's a hypothetical question, Mr. Hawkins .

---Ruled Out of Order

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Robert Hawkins

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what will the Premier be doing to ensure that the industry will be paying for their own greenhouse gas emission problems? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, currently it is the federal government who issues the permits and certificates for the conditions on which the pipeline would be built, if it's built. We have made, and will continue to make, interventions on any further public hearings with regard to the recommendations for permits and certification. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, how does this government plan to deal with these emissions? If the Premier says the federal government is in control, do we ignore this or what are we doing to make submissions to the federal government about making sure that industry is accountable for the emissions that they create? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A lot of these issues are questions that are being considered right now by the joint review panels, by the federal government and, I'm sure, by industry themselves. So there is no definite answer of how the company would be held accountable, if they are and in what ways. Mr. Speaker, our approach now is to make interventions wherever there is the opportunity holding that the industry should be held responsible. Mr.

Speaker, I might say, as well, that we have been in negotiations with the company and the federal government, we've had discussion with them, on the concept of using hydro energy instead of gas from the pipeline for their power needs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaking of emissions and working with industry, Mr. Speaker, on the same issue, what is this government doing to ensure that the Mackenzie Valley gas project hooks into the Bear project so we can ensure that we can keep emissions as low as possible? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the discussions have been ongoing for some time with regard to the Bear River project. Given the current

schedule of the pipeline if the Bear River project even were to move ahead today, would not be there and in place in time to provide energy for the start-up of the pipeline. So our discussions will be more for supplementing the initial needs and then also to meet the needs of what are referred to as infill stations. Mr. Speaker, those negotiations still have to continue with the company. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker, the Mackenzie gas pipeline SEA has already been signed and I didn't see any provisions in there to ensure that we could work to get emissions as low as possible or anything else. What is the Premier doing on the moral fabric, or moral legislation that he has as Premier to say we need you to commit? So what is the Premier doing for leadership to ensure the Mackenzie Valley gas project will either sign on to the Bear River project or to commit to ensuring we have the lowest emissions possible? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have no authority to demand the company use one kind of energy or another. Mr. Speaker, in terms of whatever the moral obligation is there, we have continued to persuade the company that using clean energy, hydro energy, is the way to go. We will continue with negotiations with them. Mr. Speaker, it's not included in the SEA but at some point if we're able to achieve an agreement, then those terms will be laid out in that agreement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are addressed to the Premier . Prior to the rise of the House, the Premier indicated he would have an opportunity to meet with his northern colleagues, Premier Okalik and Premier Fentie. He indicated he would touch base with them on the issue of completing the Porcupine herd survey, the Beverly Qamanirjuaq survey, as well as touch base with Premier Okalik on the potential to move towards the protection of the calving grounds in Nunavut. I'd like to ask the Premier if he can update us on whether he's had those discussions and what the substance of those discussions were? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did have discussions with my colleagues, Premier Fentie and Premier Okalik. We agreed to work together on any future surveys and whatever may be happening and that we would have our biologists work together. Mr. Speaker, I also took the opportunity to meet with the Minister responsible for aboriginal First Nations and Metis affairs in Saskatchewan to talk to him about the possibility of working together, particularly on harvest numbers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Premier could indicate the degree of receptivity that Premier Okalik may have demonstrated with regard to the protection of the calving grounds.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, Premier Okalik seemed very much in favour of working together and agreed to have his biologist meet with our biologist to begin to do that. I didn't sense anything but a very receptive hearing from him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the intention then be for the Minister of ENR to follow up with his counterparts in the Yukon and Nunavut to make sure that we don't lose whatever momentum was built up as a result of the Premier 's meeting? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the Minister for ENR has already started discussions with his counterparts in the Yukon and Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of ENR . On Friday I had the opportunity to attend a meeting with the Barren-Ground Caribou Outfitters Association and a number of ENR officials. As well, Chief Sangris was there and some other MLAs. The underlying concern at that meeting was whether or not we are counting the caribou appropriately. I'd like to start off by asking the Minister of ENR , at that meeting there was some discussion about numbers in terms of harvest amounts. In the initial proposal that went to the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board, the number was 5,700.

Subsequently, ENR has come back and said the harvest -- some animals taken were attributed to the Bluenose herd -- accounted for 535-odd animals, which would reduce the harvest of the Bathurst herd to 5,300, 52 and change. I'm wondering if the Minister, given this new information, would be able to instruct his officials at ENR to go back and advise the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board of that inaccurate information that was provided at the onset. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, an application for a judicial review has been filed in the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories regarding reduction of big game hunting tags for the barren-ground caribou. Since an application for judicial review has been filed, it would be inappropriate for me to comment on these issues at this time, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that's quite convenient now that the Minister doesn't have to answer any questions on caribou. I hope that he can answer some questions on funding. The fundamental thing, I believe, is we need to get some more funding to look after wildlife. We need legislation to look after wildlife and we need some support from this government. The Minister, in his statement earlier today, suggested that the federal government is coming up with $150 million for the International Polar Year. How is his department going to try to access some of these dollars to study and count the caribou here in the Northwest Territories?

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've already identified sources of funding through our budget process that would help us through our biophysical analysis that needs to take place. We also have identified some dollars that we need for the caribou surveys. Mr. Speaker, we have a caribou management plan that has a budget of $8 million that is needed to do a long-term plan, and we will continue to work towards identifying those resources. As part of the International Polar Year that I made a statement on earlier, there are some initiatives that will complement what we're doing. Mr.

Speaker, at this point it hasn't been firmed up. Our staff, along with aboriginal governments and other people, are meeting with the federal government and the people from the International Polar Year Committee and they will start looking at the different projects. I wish to assure the Member that caribou is part of the concerns that we've brought forward. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, resources are needed desperately and $8 million was the number that was discussed at the meeting on Friday and I would suggest the government not spread that out and look for any funding opportunity to get the necessary money to get the work done. Mr. Speaker, my next question...Again, numbers were the big thing. This has nothing to do with tags, so I assume the Minister can answer this question. The Ahiak herd is now the largest herd in the Northwest Territories. When -- and, Mr.

Speaker, this is the big question -- is the government going to work with the Government of Nunavut to set up a management board to look after this largest herd in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

I'm going to rule that question out of order, Mr. Ramsay , pending it's before the courts right now, hunting of caribou.

---Ruled Out of Order

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That's not before the courts.

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Oral questions. Honourable Member from Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the recent news on the expanded oil sands projects in McMurray, one would assume that ENR is getting or receiving the day-to-day reports from that jurisdiction. When could this be shared with the general public of the NWT; more specifically, the aboriginal governments? Mr. Speaker, news may not have reached some communities where the Dene language is an asset. Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we are more than willing to share any information that we have regarding the oil sands. I'm not sure if the Member is asking us to provide that to the communities, but that information that we have we'd certainly be willing to share. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I was asking for the information to be shared with the communities. Mr. Speaker, the next question I'd like to ask the Minister is, the Minister has indicated that it's federal jurisdiction, but at the same time we have our own jurisdiction here in the Northwest Territories; more specifically, the aboriginal land claims agreement, which were also signed by the federal government. So, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister have these aboriginal governments been consulted or been involved with meetings with the project? Mahsi.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, aboriginal water rights that are acknowledged in the comprehensive agreements are, of course, a subject of discussion in the bilateral negotiations and agreements. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my next question will be when can we see these consultations in the communities, because all those projects that are happening down south also connects to the North into the communities through the watershed. So it's important that there's constant communication with the communities. When can that happen, since the news is out already? Mahsi.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the issue of water quality and water quantity, some of the discussions have already started to take place. The Dehcho has had a gathering called the Dehcho Keepers of the Water Gathering, and there's been a Tlicho gathering also. Mr. Speaker, the management of water in the Northwest Territories is still with the federal government. We continue to work with the Department of INAC and the Department of Environment, and we certainly will have our discussions with them. We are more than willing to share the information we have and keep the Members up to date as negotiations proceed. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 416-15(5): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for Mr. McLeod who is the Minister for Environment and Natural Resources . Mr. Speaker, good laws can ensure that we have good protection in place for our water sources and the lands around them. Could the Minister advise, are the transboundary laws that are now in place adequate to ensure that the water flowing into the NWT will be clean and safe and uninterrupted from today onward, Mr. Speaker?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure if that's something I could give a clear answer as whether they're appropriate for today. Things have changed a lot in the last while. The previous generations did not have to deal with the same impacts for our water systems as we do today. Climate change, exploration, the oil boom in Alberta and the exploration that's happening in the Northwest Territories is certainly having an impact.

We are continually trying to improve our positioning through agreements with other jurisdictions and we have, so far, been able to sign one with the Yukon and we have signed a framework with Alberta. We continue to talk with B.C. and Saskatchewan, and the provinces themselves have started coming forward and putting their own plans for water management, as Alberta has announced already. We have to continue to make sure the plans are adequate, and as part of that we will review legislation that we have in place to ensure that that continues to be so. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, as the Minister has indicated, there are a couple of agreements in place: one with the Yukon and most recently this framework agreement. These things are not achieved quickly; I know that. I think perhaps these are the only two that the Mackenzie Basin Management Board has achieved in its 10 years. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to see if the Minister could advise, is the framework agreement that's been negotiated with Alberta, is that public and, Mr. Speaker, in what ways does it give the NWT authority or sanction or influence at the decision-making table? Does it truly strengthen our role in decision-making about water resources, Mr. Speaker?

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Thank you, Mr. Braden . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to seek further information to confirm whether this document is a public document or not. I would image it is. This document is a document...The MOU is to outline the process, outline the

schedule and the

principles and the information that's required to negotiate with Alberta a bilateral water management agreement, Mr. Speaker. I certainly will commit to finding out whether this information can be presented to committee and we'll follow up on that.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, the Minister has advised that, as is the case with so many of the really essential things here in the Northwest Territories, the authority and the control for our water resources rests with DIAND. Just what kind of protocols or framework agreements do we have with DIAND to make sure that they are truly representing our interests, and what assurances do we have that they are actually carrying our voice forward at these transboundary negotiations and, in fact, being the responsible stewards for these water resources that we expect them to be and that they are obliged to be by law, Mr. Speaker?

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 417-15(5): Water Protection Agreements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I made mention in my Member's statement about the elders and the prophecies about the waters that are forthcoming down the Mackenzie River. I want to ask the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources on this water issue what things are in place that could happen with this territorial government in terms of ensuring that we have a strong water agreement with the territorial government; not just a framework negotiated agreement, something that we could bring back to our people that the water issue is safe and sound in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the framework agreement is the first step towards a final agreement on water. It outlines a number of different things in the contents. It proposes a timeline, a process, it gives

definitions and it lays out a vision and costs and funding, and a number of different things, Mr. Speaker, and we're quite confident that this will lead to an agreement. The time frame laid out in this agreement is a period of three years, and that's what we've embarked on and we signed off the agreement, this first step, last week. Thank you.

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