Debates of Feb. 23rd, 2000

This is page numbers 25 - 46 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was services .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Budget Process

Signed Dogrib Agreement-in-principle

Recruitment And Retention

Child And Family Services Review

Water Quality In Fort Mcpherson

Child And Family Services Review

Evaluating GNWT Performance And Spending

Costs Of Participating In Arctic Winter Games

The Passing Of Stanley Tyrell

The Unique Communities Of Fort Rae And Edzo

Participation In Trans-canada Water Relay

Importance Of Sports And Recreation

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Working Together Student Employment Program

Child And Family Services Program Review

Fort Mcpherson Water Quality

Rae Edzo Municipal Funding Levels

Aboriginal Languages Fund

Student Advocate Proposal

Accident On Highway No. 3

Solution To Financial Problems

Child And Family Services Review

Fuel Spill On Highway No. 3

Funding For Language Development

Written Question 4-14(2): Nurses' Supplement

Written Question 5-14(2): Probation And Parole Service

Tabled Document 6-14(2): 45th Annual Report Of The Northwest Territories Liquor Commission

Tabled Document 7-14(2): Public Service Annual Report, 1996 And 1997

Tabled Document 8-14(2): Letter From The Northwest Territories Students' Coalition Regarding The Student Financial Assistance Program

Date For Tabling Of Public Accounts

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Tabled Document 10-14(2): Dogrib Agreement-in-principle

Sessional Statement

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Honourable Jane Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford .

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Oh God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 2-14(2): Budget Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been five short weeks since 19 MLAs of different backgrounds and viewpoints were sworn in to form the 14th Legislative Assembly. In that five weeks, these new MLAs have held their first session, met with the DIAND Minister, resolved a strike, and grappled with the potential delay of a mega-project. They also found the time to hold a week-long strategic planning and priority setting workshop, to organize and install their standing committee system and to hold a two-day Cabinet strategy session.

Mr. Speaker, busy as the last five weeks have been, it is going to get even busier. There is an urgent need to complete our initial orientation and planning discussions and move on to consultation and decision making. There are fiscal, economic and social crises that must be dealt with. And there are several early conclusions we have already reached.

The first conclusion is that we cannot do what needs to be done without first building trust and effective partnerships with aboriginal governments, with the federal government, with industry and with all other Northwest Territories stakeholders.

The second conclusion is that there is no short term fix to most of the issues we face. These issues developed over a long period of time and solving them will take the education, understanding, acceptance and participation of a lot of people. In some areas we have already made progress and plans are ready, but more needs to be done and, as the Report of the Minister's Forum on Health and Social Services suggests, we need to get on with it.

The third conclusion we have reached is that without new sources of revenue our ability to get the job done is going to be severely limited. We need to secure the resources needed to achieve our goals. Otherwise we will end up tinkering around the edges of our economic and social issues while they only get worse.

Mr. Speaker, based on these early conclusions we have developed an initial plan of action.

The government will immediately request meetings with aboriginal governments and the federal government to discuss common issues and solutions.

In March, 2000 the government will bring in its full budget for fiscal year 2000-2001. This budget will be designed to move forward on a few of the early decisions of the 14th Legislative Assembly and it will ensure we do not exceed our borrowing limits or, in any avoidable way, worsen our fiscal situation or create a fiscal crisis.

Over the next few months, priority will be given to working through Caucus to complete the development of the 14th Legislative Assembly's goals, priorities and strategies. This work will need to be performed in close consultation with aboriginal governments, and with other Northwest Territories stakeholders. Once completed in May or June, this agenda of the 14th Legislative Assembly will be publicly tabled and discussed. The directions established by the new agenda will guide further government initiatives this year and the development of business plans and budgets for the 2001-2002 fiscal year.

Mr. Speaker, this is an ambitious timetable. For it to succeed, we will need to be focused in our work and we will need the participation and contribution of many parties. But that is what operating in a consensus system is all about. We are all in this together and we must all be part of the solution.

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Minister's Statement 2-14(2): Budget Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 3-14(2): Signed Dogrib Agreement-in-principle

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will table in this House a signed copy of the Dogrib Agreement-in-Principle.

I had the pleasure of signing the agreement-in-principle on behalf of our government in a ceremony held in Rae on January 7, 2000.

This agreement is the result of three years of intensive negotiations.

I want to congratulate once again all the people who made a contribution. Negotiations for the final agreement have begun and there are critical issues which still must be resolved.

The Dogrib, the Yellowknives of the Akaitcho Territory Government and the Deh Cho First Nations have important work to finish regarding boundaries or overlap agreements in traditional areas of shared usage. There are taxation issues and concerns of how the Dogrib First Nations Government will be financed.

The parties are working on the terms of a ten-year intergovernmental service agreement, which will define in some detail how programs and services in the areas of health, education and social services will be delivered to all residents of the Dogrib communities.

The Dogrib leaders would like to have a final agreement for their general assembly this August.

I can assure all of my colleagues in this House and the Dogrib leadership that this government is committed to finalizing the Dogrib Agreement as soon as possible.

It is essential that we take the time to negotiate a good agreement, an agreement that is complete and capable of being implemented to the satisfaction of all the parties.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 3-14(2): Signed Dogrib Agreement-in-principle

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . The Member for Hay River South , the Honourable Jane Groenewegen .

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Minister's Statement 4-14(2): Recruitment And Retention

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to update the Members of this House on the Department of Health and Social Services' continuing efforts and achievements in building a strong and stable health and social services workforce in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the Members of this House are well aware of the challenges we face concerning the shortage of health and social services professionals in the Northwest Territories. This shortage has been a regular story in the news both here at home as well as nationally. It is common knowledge that we must compete with other jurisdictions across Canada and North America for the same pool of professionals. And while a great deal of media attention has been given to nurses and physicians, Members of this House need to be aware that we are also experiencing shortages of social workers and other health and social services professionals who make up our workforce.

As Members may recall, Mr. Speaker, the department received additional funding in November of 1998 to implement a recruitment and retention strategy. At that time, we were experiencing critical staffing shortages in nursing and social work. Some health centres had to be closed because we did not have enough staff to maintain a safe and appropriate level of service.

A strategy was created to implement short and long term actions to address this critical shortage. This strategy moved beyond the continuous cycle of short-term hiring and into a position where we were bringing long-term stability to our workforce.

I am pleased to report that we have made great progress in just 15 months. A working group that includes representatives from the department, health and social services boards and professional associations has been putting this strategy into action. And while we sometimes have to wait to see if our efforts are successful, I am happy to be able to report to this House some areas of actions that we have undertaken.

In order to fill our immediate vacancies, the department, boards and professional associations have teamed up to develop an aggressive marketing campaign to reach professionals in the south:

• Department and board staff regularly attend job fairs to promote our health and social services system and career opportunities. They select events which draw professionals with an interest in the kinds of career opportunities we offer.

• We have also developed resources to promote who we are and what we have to offer. Examples of these resources are on display in the Great Hall all this week and I invite Members to take time to look at the display.

• We have a set of advertisements that are placed in professional journals and selected newspapers across the country. Again, staff are selective in where these ads are placed in order to attract people who are interested in the type of professional practice we offer.

• This spring we will launch a recruitment page on our public web site to enhance our national and international search efforts. The department and boards already get e-mail from interested professionals. This site will improve our electronic correspondence and will take this one step further by providing a "one-stop" shopping career approach. This site will have job postings, information about our boards and professional licensing requirements. People around the world will be able to view employment opportunities and apply for these positions on-line. And with on-line service, we will be able to respond to interested professionals in a matter of hours, rather than days or weeks.

Of course, all of these activities are about improving our methods of recruiting. We also must consider what professionals are looking for and what we can offer that other jurisdictions cannot. For example, our long-term doctors, nurses, and social workers tell us that they enjoy working in the North for the following reasons:

• We offer a diversity of practice that is unmatched in most of Canada or the United States;

• The level of teamwork, collaboration and dedication within and across the various professions is high; and

• Professionals can develop personalized care for individuals and families - people do not disappear into the system like they can in the south, and our workers experience the rewards of maintaining close contact with their clients, often seeing them get better.

We know from our front-line workers that these are highly desirable features for many in their profession, and that people will move to places which offer these opportunities. Our marketing strategies must highlight these strengths.

Are these efforts paying off? I believe they are, Mr. Speaker. Since January of last year, the number of vacancies for full-time nurses across the Northwest Territories has fallen from 18 percent to under seven percent. For social workers, vacancies have fallen quite dramatically in just the last four months - from about 23 percent to just over four percent.

This is good news. It has taken the edge off of our staffing shortage. But we cannot relax our efforts because keeping these vacancy levels down requires on-going commitment. This means finding ways to keep the staff we hire. To do this, we must consider income, working conditions and quality of life.

As Members know, the previous government implemented a temporary market supplement for nurses. This pay increase meant that the Northwest Territories offers nurses one of the highest income levels in Canada. As well, we are presently working with the Northwest Territories Medical Association to examine alternative forms of payment that would result in competitive and fair payments, and consistency for all physicians across the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, working conditions and quality of life are extremely important to our efforts of retaining staff. The long hours and issues of personal safety while on the job are causing staff to leave. We have made progress in these areas as well.

• A few weeks ago, the department, boards and Northwest Territories Medical Association signed an agreement with the Alberta Medical Association to provide temporary replacement services for our physicians. This arrangement improves our physicians' quality of life as they can now take planned breaks for professional development or holidays.

• We have also joined with the Union of Northern Workers to improve workplace conditions for our front-line workers. The department and the union recently held a workshop attended by various professional associations, the RCMP and government agencies. At this workshop, participants identified issues that related to personal safety and well-being while on the job. This workshop is an important step to resolving these issues.

Mr. Speaker, we all know that developing a "home-grown" workforce is an investment that will pay dividends in the future. I am pleased to report to the Members that the department has made great gains in this area.

A completely new program - the Northern Development Program - has been created to provide hands-on assistance to northern students in their pursuit of health and social services careers. The program provides support to northern students with financial assistance, mentorship opportunities, summer employment placement assistance and marketing of new professionals to our boards. I am pleased to report, Mr. Speaker, that 37 northern students received bursaries in the past year. Additional information about the Northern Development Program is available at the display in the Great Hall.

Staff of this program also worked with various boards to launch the Health Careers Orientation Program in July, 1999. This initiative gives high school students the opportunity to shadow health and social services professionals, providing students a great introduction to these professions and incentive to pursue these careers. In our first year, 12 high school students participated in the program, but we expect that number to triple this year.

Another area of success is the Aurora College Nursing Program. Members may recall how well our first graduates did on their national exams. This program is an important step towards developing a "home-grown" nursing workforce. We hope that in the near future, Aurora College can also offer a Bachelor's degree in nursing.

Mr. Speaker, these are only highlights of our progress. There are many other activities I would like to speak to but it is obvious that the department, with its partners, has made a significant commitment to improving our workforce.

This commitment will continue with the development of a comprehensive human resource plan for our system. It will build on the successes of our recruitment and retention strategy and provide a broad framework for human resource planning in all of our health and social services professions.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I wish to emphasize that the gains we have made are significant, but long-term stability of our workforce can only be realized with the active support of this government. Members can help by getting the message out to communities about our Northern Development Program, and by supporting our workers.

I look forward to keeping this House informed of both the issues and successes in this area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 4-14(2): Recruitment And Retention

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Honourable Jane Groenewegen , Minister responsible for Health and Social Services .

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Minister's Statement 5-14(2): Child And Family Services Review

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in light of the high level of interest expressed by Members yesterday with respect to the review of child and family services by the Department of Health and Social Services, I would like to provide Members with a brief overview of this important study.

The Child and Family Services Program involves a number of different program components such as prevention, intervention, children in care, foster care, adoptions, medical foster care, treatment group home care and support services to families. The program is administered by the Department of Health and Social Services, under the authority of the Child and Family Services Act.

This Act is a relatively new piece of legislation. It was passed by the last Assembly and proclaimed in October, 1998, following 10 years of community consultation, including the Family Law Review.

As Members are aware, the number of children and families involved with the Child and Family Services Program is increasing dramatically. Currently, the Northwest Territories takes children into protective custody at a rate of two to three times that of the Prairie Provinces. Social workers are reporting an increase not only in the number of cases, but also in the complexity and severity of the child protection issues they are dealing with in the communities.

Mr. Speaker, there has never been a formal, comprehensive evaluation of child welfare practice in the Northwest Territories. Last fall, the department decided to contract with the Child Welfare League of Canada - the pre-eminent national child protection organization in the country - to undertake a review of the Child and Family Services Program.

The child and family services review is focusing primarily on the child protection component of the program. The review is comprehensive in its scope. It is meant to be a program evaluation and functional review of child welfare practice in the Northwest Territories. The reviewers have examined caseloads and practice standards, supervision, monitoring and competency based training requirements for child protection workers. In this context, the review will provide a blueprint for both the present and future needs, priorities, resource requirements and supports needed to ensure improved community-based child protection services with the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, as Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , I want to be able to assure Members and the public that child welfare practices in the Northwest Territories are appropriate and responsive to the needs of our children and families, and that they meet best practice standards which are in place elsewhere in Canada and North America.

Our residents, and especially children who are in need of protection from neglect and abuse, deserve the best support we can provide. The department has taken the initiative to subject itself and this very important program to a rigorous review. This is a quality assurance initiative that will provide valuable advice in the best interest of services to families and children.

I am confident the report will document the very difficult and complex challenges facing our social workers every day as they do their best to meet the needs of children and families. Child protection work is extremely emotional and, as evidenced by our recent discussions, generates considerable debate and concern.

It is important not to lose sight of what child protection is all about - the protection of children from abuse and neglect.

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Minister's Statement 5-14(2): Child And Family Services Review

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

The time allowed for Ministers' statements has elapsed.

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Minister's Statement 5-14(2): Child And Family Services Review

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Minister's Statement 5-14(2): Child And Family Services Review

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

The Minister is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Minister's Statement 5-14(2): Child And Family Services Review

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I encourage Members to consider the review methodology and the resumes of the Child Welfare League of Canada review team. I am certain you will be impressed with the level of professional expertise and experience they bring to the project. I also would like to inform Members that, in addition to Mr. Corbin Shangreaux, a First Nations child welfare consultant, the review team also includes a Northerner, Ms. Gay Hansen, who is a former deputy minister of Social Services of the Yukon. Ms. Hansen has also worked in the Northwest Territories.

These members are well aware of the northern and aboriginal context and could hardly be considered culturally disconnected southerners.

Mr. Speaker, I plan to table the Report of the Review of Child and Family Services in this House this spring. I would like to thank Members for their interest in the review and I look forward to your continued support in ensuring that our child protection system is of the highest possible quality and meets best practice standards.

Mr. Speaker, I am extremely heartened by the level of interest that the review is generating. I believe that all Members share my concern that our child protection system should provide the best possible support and services to children and their families. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 5-14(2): Child And Family Services Review

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Water Quality In Fort Mcpherson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is about something we all take for granted - water. Water, water, everywhere, and not a drop to drink. I think we take for granted the ability to pick up a glass of water and drink it without having any second thoughts as to what is in the water and where it may have come from.

Mr. Speaker, this is an issue I have raised in this House over the last four years, the issue of the water quality in Fort McPherson. I have not spoken publicly on this issue in some time, but I believe it is now more grave than ever. There is a chemical in the water system in Fort McPherson called THM, or trihalomethane.

The concern comes when the water is mixed in with chlorine, because it causes a reaction. As everyone here knows, all water in Canada has to be treated with chlorine. The community of Fort McPherson has made statements publicly on this concern through the airwaves, and the newspapers.

I have been doing my best to ensure that this issue is dealt with through the means that I have. I have raised this issue with the Minister of Indian Affairs, and with our Member of Parliament, the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew, and with the newly elected Premier , the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , along with the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

To try to find a quick solution to deal with this problem, and to ensure this will be done with our best efforts, realizing that we do have some restrictions and restraints in the process of reaching a conclusion, I would like to make the public and the people of Fort McPherson aware that this issue is high on my agenda. It has been brought up with the Minister of Indian Affairs, who, along with the federal department of Indian and Northern Affairs and this government must work to ensure that this public issue is dealt with as an emergency crisis.

With that, I will be asking the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs questions on this matter later on. Thank you.

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Water Quality In Fort Mcpherson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Child And Family Services Review

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to address the Child and Family Services Review. I have strong concerns about the process, and the steps being taken.

I speak as a Northerner who is concerned about child welfare issues. I have spent 15 years in the health and social services field, many of it in the child welfare area, and as a MLA, I spent the last three years of the 13th Assembly on the Social Programs Committee.

I am interested in northern solutions to northern problems. I am interested in using the tremendous amount of skill, talent and northern expertise that we have developed in this area to reach those solutions.

What I see is a sole-sourced contract with an outfit from Yonge Street, totally bypassing any Northerner's involvement in this, except for the visiting of eight out of 33 communities and what can only be described, in my opinion, as a cursory public involvement given the incredibly short and compressed timeframes.

The Department of Health and Social Services has been telling us for at least two years they are working on this. I submit, Mr. Speaker, that what we see here is a compressed attempt to make up for two years of inactivity in this area, knowing they are going to be coming before the Social Programs Committee again, of which I have the good fortune to be a Member, to have to speak to this issue.

They will have to tell us why they are trying to deal with it in six weeks, with incredibly complex issues, doing 100 case audits of child welfare cases. Let alone all of the structural and program issues they are going to deal with. I submit, Mr. Speaker, it is physically impossible unless it is done in the most cursory and superficial way.

It is not rigorous. I look forward to the Minister tabling this report and standing up to tell us how she has managed to do all of this in six weeks in any in-depth way that is going to speak to these very fundamental issues that she said, and I agree with, are very emotional and important to all Northerners.

Mr. Speaker, I am not reassured by the Minister's comments. I know she has to defend this, but I do not think it is going to be adequate. The time is too short. The people may be well-intentioned, but the time is not there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Child And Family Services Review

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Evaluating GNWT Performance And Spending

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the decisions of this government go well beyond our government. They impact the daily lives of those whom we govern. That is why we must take proactive steps now to ensure we do not hit the debt wall. Once again it must be said it is time for government to look at the way it does business.

This, Mr. Speaker, has been said many times during the previous Assembly. Now is the time to have a look inward, to see if government is actually serving the people, or has it become a nightmare of rules and regulations which is starting to feed on itself. I believe the door has been opened that will allow us to do this much needed review.

Change is a difficult process, even at the best of times. It is even more difficult when times are tight. A question we must ask ourselves is if we cannot even keep up to today's ever-increasing expenditures, how can we afford more regions with an increased bureaucracy without making huge changes to the way government carries on with its daily business?

The Members who have been re-elected from previous assemblies are aware of the difficult choices that had to be made to deal with a budget shortfall. The choices will not be any easier this time around if we do not look at evaluating the programs and services that this government provides to its residents.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the situation we find ourselves in, as a government, requires we look for new ways and ideas. For example, can we afford as many boards and agencies as we have? Is it time to take a stand on how many dollars are spent on administration versus programs? In every community there are numerous groups that provide services on behalf of government. All have an administration component. Let us take a look at our own departments. Another example is the requirement to have regional staff prepare documents for decisions that are made in headquarters.

Mr. Speaker, when reductions were made in the area of positions, we were told that this would streamline government operations. I understood that to mean we would get rid of some of the unnecessary paperwork as well. My earlier example of the decision-making process that is still in use today proves that has not happened.

Mr. Speaker, in the work we are about to set on as Members of the 14th Assembly, we must look beyond this fiscal year. We must look to our future, that being our children. What legacy will we leave them? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Evaluating GNWT Performance And Spending

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 30

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Costs Of Participating In Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 30

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Every two years, athletes from across the northern part of our world come together to participate in the Arctic Winter Games. This event was first hosted in Yellowknife in 1970. This year, from March 5th through the 11th, athletes from the Northwest Territories will travel to Whitehorse to participate in the 16th Arctic Winter Games. Three hundred sixteen athletes from the Northwest Territories will participate.

At this point in time, I would like to congratulate each of these athletes for making the Northwest Territories Arctic Winter Games team. I would especially like to congratulate the three athletes from the Deh Cho who have attained positions on Team NWT.

Mr. Speaker, although I celebrate the three athletes from the Deh Cho who made the team, I have to express my concern that only three athletes from the four communities in my constituency were successful.

Mr. Speaker, colleagues, perhaps it is time for the Northwest Territories to re-evaluate its participation in the Arctic Winter Games. We must ensure that youth from smaller communities are given a fair opportunity to participate. We must investigate further to determine the barriers that prevent youth in a small community from being selected to the Northwest Territories teams.

The costs for participating in the Arctic Winter Games selection process are high. In my region, in order to participate in the regional trials, all athletes had to pay a fee. If the athlete is successful at the regional level, they must pay an additional fee to participate at the territorial level. Then again, if the athlete is successful at making the Northwest Territories team, they pay another fee. Mr. Speaker, the hockey team from my community could not raise the funds so did not participate in the trials. We have to question how families with low incomes and a number of children raise the money.

Further, Mr. Speaker, we all know the social problems in our communities are high. However, most of our youth that participate at the games are under the age of 19 years. How do we address the youth from the ages of 20 to 24? Are we sending the message that participation in sport ends once you have reached 20?

We are entering a new millennium. Perhaps now is the time to enter into a new type of games for the North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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The Passing Of Stanley Tyrell

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 30

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories for the riding of Inuvik Twin Lakes, I would like to extend my sympathies to the family of Mr. Stanley "Goo Goo" Tyrell, who passed away after a short battle with cancer.

Mr. Tyrell was a prominent and well-respected elder from Aklavik who spent his entire life working with his people. He was very instrumental as a carpenter, having spent his early adult life building up many of Inuvik's existing buildings, such as the Mackenzie and Eskimo Inn hotels.

Mr. Tyrell leaves to mourn his sisters, Rose Larocque, Dolly McLeod, and Florence Carpenter, his son Wally and his wife Jeannie, wife Jane, life-long friend Ida and granddaughters Tammy and Annie Tyrell. He also leaves in mourning his many nieces and nephews and his well-regarded friends throughout the Mackenzie Delta and the surrounding communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Allen . The sympathies of the House are extended to the Tyrell family. Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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The Unique Communities Of Fort Rae And Edzo

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a new Member, I would like to make a statement about the unique community I come from.

Rae Edzo is a one-of-a-kind municipality in the western Arctic. It is the largest hamlet in the Northwest Territories and consists of two communities connected by 16 kilometres of road.

The communities can be seen across the lake from each other. In the winter, the communities are connected by four and a half kilometres of winter road, and relatives reside in both communities.

The local municipality in Rae duplicates services in both communities. But the residents of Edzo are concerned about the level of services provided. The community of Rae Edzo is growing. With the addition of an airport, service needs are changing.

At the appropriate time, I will be asking questions concerning the need for funding services in Rae Edzo. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Participation In Trans-canada Water Relay

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we heard on the radio, the journey for the water of the Arctic Ocean to meet up with the waters of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans began in Tuktoyaktuk on February 19th.

This is in keeping with the plans of the Trans-Canada water relay, to lead up to the official opening of this national trail in September of this year. Today the water passed through the town of Norman Wells. 30 residents officially took turns carrying the water from the Arctic Ocean. I would like to congratulate the residents of the Sahtu for their enthusiastic support in celebrating the Trans-Canada Trail water relay. I look forward to seeing the water as it travels from Rae to Yellowknife on March 3rd and 4th. I would like to say a special thank you to all Northern Rangers who have taken on the responsibility of ensuring the water and carriers travel safely through our Territory.

Mr. Speaker, it is the intent of this relay to have the water of the Atlantic, Pacific and the Arctic oceans all meet somewhere in the capital region in early September. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Importance Of Sports And Recreation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also wish to acknowledge the importance sports and recreation plays in the communities. I am sure we are all concerned about community wellness. This is a key element in shaping our youth for tomorrow. Sports provide an environment for developing learning and leadership abilities, and also provides excellent role models. Not only do recreational activities promote team-building and sportsmanship, but promote healthy individuals.

With that in mind, I wish to recognize the following Arctic Winter Games participants from my constituency of Tu Nedhe. From Fort Resolution, Travis Guild in badminton, Dexter Lafferty and Frank Lafferty for dog-mushing, and Tausia Kaitu'u' Lal, an official at badminton. Also, from Lutsel K'e, Jesse Michelle for Dene games. I would like to wish these and all of the other fine athletes all the best at the Arctic Winter Games in Whitehorse.

I would also like to take this opportunity to express my concern on the lack of funding and recreational facilities available in small communities. Small communities have very tight-knit people, but the communities do not have access to a lot of recreational facilities. If there are recreational facilities, there is no money in the community to really take full advantage of it.

I think sport and recreation boards and Municipal and Community Affairs could do a little bit more to guarantee that adequate funding levels are available in small communities where it is very difficult to raise money from industry and corporations. There are no industry and corporations in small communities. Everything is based on proposal writing to the federal and territorial governments. It is very hard to raise money in the communities. I think this government has to be conscious of that.

The representation from small, rural communities in the Northwest Territories at this Arctic Winter Games will be a good example of those problems. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 31

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Before we go to the Members, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize in the gallery Mr. Robert Clark, Acting Conflict of Interest Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, and accompanying Mr. Clark is Mr. Frank Work, Queen's Counsel and Legal Advisor to the Conflict of Interest Commissioner.

Welcome, gentlemen, to the Legislative Assembly.

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the board of directors of the Arctic Cooperative Limited who are here with us today, and also the president, Mr. Bill Lyall. I would also like to recognize the president for the Co-op in Fort McPherson, Mr. Piet Van Loon.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize the board of directors of the Arctic Cooperatives Limited and the Arctic Cooperative Development Fund, as well as the two service federations of the community owned cooperatives of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut.

Mr. Krutko has mentioned several, and I would like to recognize them again. Mr. Bill Lyall, the chair; Piet Van Loon, Lucassie Arragutainaq, Gina Dolphus, Guy Enuapik, Bernie Putulik, Andrew Goussaert, Danny Yakeleya, Solomon Mikki, Nick Nichol, Greg O'Neill, and Andy Morrison, who is the CEO. Welcome.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery, the Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot see him from where I sit, but I am told that Mr. Gerard Mulders is in the gallery. I would like to recognize Mr. Mulders who is a long-term resident of Yellowknife, formerly the regional director for the Keewatin region for this government before his retirement. He now lives in British Columbia and he took time out of his retirement to help me in my campaign. He worked really hard for me.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Welcome, Mr. Mulders. Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I guess this time Ms. Thomas is going to go unrecognized. Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Question 13-14(2): Working Together Student Employment Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on my line of questioning from yesterday in my question to the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . Yesterday I was asking questions about summer hiring for returning university students and I was reassured to hear the Minister say that he planned to see if he could coordinate the efforts with other government departments to identify opportunities for students and youths for the coming summer.

I would like some clarification. I am wondering if the Minister can tell me which government departments he was coordinating with or planning to coordinate with. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , the Honourable Jake Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will do my best to answer the question, as I did yesterday. Just to mention I have had three weeks in this department, Mr. Speaker, and it has been a hectic situation for me because I am new to this particular department.

I am being briefed as we go. It is a large department. I am very pleased to be there. The Premier expressed his confidence in me to take on this department, but it is new to me.

As I mentioned, getting up to speed on it is going to take me a bit of time when it comes to the technical matters.

Some of the Members on the other side are former Ministers of this particular department and some have also been on the Social Envelope committees for four years. If I cannot answer the question, Mr. Speaker, I may have to give notice for anything that may be technical. I will do my best, and I do appreciate the questions, but I would appreciate some understanding if I have to give notice.

Regarding the Member's question, it is true that the government, through the Executive, is trying to coordinate an employment program for summer students so that we do have an opportunity for students returning to the North to be employed by at least the territorial government. I hope that answers the Member's question. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . The Ministers do have the option to either take the question as notice or respond to the question. Supplementary, Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a little more clarification is required. You mentioned that the Executive is going to take the lead on hiring summer students. I am wondering if that means they will set up an office for students to report to when they return home to check in and see where the employment opportunities might be. Even if that office is not handling the hiring directly, will that office be coordinating job opportunities with the other departments then?

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . The Minister for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, that is correct. It will be coordinated by the Department of the Executive. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Item 6, oral questions. Second supplementary, Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just one more thing; is that for Yellowknife or is that for the entire Territories, based in Yellowknife? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . The Minister for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It will be for all of the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 14-14(2): Child And Family Services Program Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Listening to the Minister of Education's responses I am tempted to ask him some questions, but I will redirect my questions to the Minister of Health and Social Services and hopefully I will get two bats at this.

Mr. Speaker, I would like the Minister to elaborate, if she could, on this fact sheet she gave us yesterday. One hundred files were reviewed. What does that mean? Was it a random selection or were they carefully selected by the department to achieve a certain end? That is one question to deal with these files, to give the Minister an indication of what I would like to hear her respond to. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , the Honourable Jane Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have received a more extensive briefing note as a result of your questions in the House yesterday as to how the terms of reference were set out for this review. However, it does not specify how the 100 files were chosen.

It does talk about how the eight communities were chosen, and the various other organizations that were consulted with. The 100 files I am sure represented a cross-section of cases, but I will undertake to find out for the Member exactly how the 100 cases were selected. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The half response, or quasi-notice, leaves me at the Minister's mercy and convenience. I will have to trust her reliability. I do have a question regarding the consultation. I would like to know what it means when they list community councils, band councils, school authorities.

Did the plane go into the community with the motors running on the tarmac, with a few folks scurrying over to the community hall? Did they drag some poor folks around the table, ask a few questions, and then jump on the plane so they could be back in Yellowknife for supper? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , the Honourable Jane Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member has indicated that he does not like questions that are taken as quasi-notice, so I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister Groenewegen . The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 15-14(2): Fort Mcpherson Water Quality

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 33

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Antoine . As referred to in my Member's statement, I am concerned about the issue of water quality, which has been a problem in the past, most notably a sensitivity to the smell, the colour and the taste of the water in Fort McPherson.

It has now become more of a health concern with the discovery of THMs, which is a cancer-causing component traced to bladder cancer, especially in eastern Canada. If you had the opportunity to watch the National during Christmas and New Years there was a major broadcast on the number of bladder cancers in the smaller communities in eastern Canada. They were all traced to this particular chemical, which is THM.

Because of that I feel this situation Fort McPherson finds itself in is at a crisis level. That is why I have spoken to the Minister of Indian Affairs as well as our Member of Parliament. The community of Fort McPherson is taking steps to resolve this as soon as possible.

With that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs to tell me what his department has done to date to try to resolve this issue. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of water quality in Fort McPherson has been an issue for a while here, and the department has been involved in trying to resolve it. I know it has been outstanding for a long time with the colour and the smell and the liquidity of the water.

I have been in Fort McPherson and they gave me a glass to drink, but I would not drink it. I am aware of the situation. In trying to resolve it, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has been working with the health board in the Inuvik region, as well as Public Works and Services.

We discussed this with the community in December. The area of THMs, which is now a health concern, has come to light. As a result of that, we tried a number of solutions.

We tried to fix the water containers and clean the pipes, but it is still not good enough. The department has issued filters as an interim measure. To date, I understand there have not been any complaints received from the community about the water quality since the introduction of the filters.

Last week, on February 15th, the acting deputy minister was in Inuvik and Fort McPherson, and held a series of meetings to discuss the water issue, including the status of the water supply and improvements. I am told Deepwater Lake has been identified as a new source of water and this project is a priority.

The department is working to try to rearrange the project financing to allow for the use of Deepwater Lake. We have an application to the Gwich'in Tribal Council for access to Deepwater Lake, since it is on the Gwich'in lands. We need to apply to have access to it. This is what the department has been doing to date. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Cabinet Minister indicate exactly what the next steps his department is going to take to ensure that this project does come to light and is done in a speedy manner? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this project of having a new and better water supply for Fort McPherson was a P3 pilot project and that has been flipped into the conventional capital projects. We will have to work towards rearranging the project financing through the normal process. This will be done through the help of the department. The department will need to arrange that and with the help of the standing committees of this House, we will have to look at that.

At the same time, since Deepwater Lake is on the Gwich'in tribal lands, and based on the discussions with the president of the Gwich'in Tribal Council last week, we anticipate the negotiations could begin on access and use of Deepwater Lake as soon as possible.

We have to prepare a management plan for the Deepwater Lake watershed as well, and a design will be carried out concurrent with the negotiations with the Gwich'in Tribal Council. Trying to acquire the permission to have access to the lake with the Gwich'in Tribal Council is going to start very soon, and refinancing internally within the department will start as soon as it can.

This takes time and we will be sure it is a priority. The health of the people in Fort McPherson is a major concern to us. We will try to move as fast as we can. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Mr. Krutko , second supplementary.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me if there will be any activities regarding the upgrade of the water treatment plant in Fort McPherson so that that work can continue? And will that work take place this summer?

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, through the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and working with the Public Works and Services department, we will continue to make changes to the treatment, including installing holding tanks to increase the effectiveness of the treatment chemicals.

We have been testing the Brita filters in households for several months. These are just temporary measures. The end goal is to eventually have access to Deepwater Lake to have a good supply of water. These measures at this time are interim measures and we are trying to provide good water to the community. These are the initiatives we are doing now. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Antoine . Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With my final supplementary I would like to ask the Minister has he worked with his counterpart, the Minister of Health and Social Services , to see what the health implications of this chemical are on the residents of Fort McPherson? In my statement, I made reference to the concerns that were raised in eastern Canada where this has been determined to cause large cases of bladder cancer. It showed that people in smaller communities in eastern Canada had more cases of this cancer, especially in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

Can the Minister tell me if he has had the opportunity to speak with his counterpart to see what the health implications are?

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The Honourable Minister Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the different departments in this government have been working together in this case, at the regional level as well as the headquarter level.

At this point in time, I am not fully briefed on the implications of the health effects regarding chemicals that are in the water. As soon as I get that kind of information, I will share it with my colleague across the floor here. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Antoine . Oral questions, the Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 16-14(2): Rae Edzo Municipal Funding Levels

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , the Honourable Jim Antoine . The formula funding agreement between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the communities has recently been reviewed. Recommendations were made to make some changes to the formula to make it more fair and equitable.

In the case of one of the municipalities I represent, Rae Edzo, funds are provided by Municipal and Community Affairs to provide basic municipal services. These services include general government services, building maintenance, recreational services, and community planning.

Community governments are required to provide these services under the Hamlet Act and Chartered Communities Act. In the case of Rae Edzo, it is pointed out in one of the documents that "unique community features are not always addressed by the funding formula." The example that was given was the dual communities of Rae Edzo.

Mr. Speaker, I am worried that unless an agreement is reached which recognizes the unique situation of this twin community, the two communities will split and apply for funding separately. In this time of tight budgets, I think that it would be more cost effective to reach an agreement. Would the Minister commit to examining this issue?

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am told that Municipal and Community Affairs currently takes into consideration the needs of the twin communities of Rae Edzo. I know that there are many municipal services that are duplicated and are required in both locations of Rae and Edzo. Certainly I will look at this issue. The honourable Member is asking me to make a commitment to look at it, and I will certainly do that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Antoine . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Question 17-14(2): Aboriginal Languages Fund

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The Deh Cho Tribal Council has publicly stated that the aboriginal languages in their region is in a crisis situation.

The Government of the Northwest Territories and the federal government have signed a cooperation agreement on languages. In this agreement, there will be $1.6 million allocated to the provision of French language services. The agreement further supplies $1.9 million for aboriginal languages.

The Deh Cho region has been allocated $250,000 of this money. Mr. Speaker, this amounts to $25,000 per community when you divide by the ten communities in the whole of the Deh Cho region. This is not enough money to preserve, promote or enhance our aboriginal languages.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister how the amounts of $1.9 million for aboriginal language activities and $1.6 million for French language activities were determined?

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you for the question. The funding is provided through a Canada-Northwest Territories Cooperative Agreement. It is a five-year agreement. It was signed on January 6, 2000. The five years is for a total of $17.5 million.

The Member is correct; it provided $1.9 million for aboriginal languages in the Territory and $1.6 million for French. The allocation of the French language is done according to a national requirement. That particular allocation is based on a formula done nationally.

In addition to the federal monies, the territorial government also has approximately $1.8 million for language programs in schools, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Supplementary, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister inform the House as to whether or not there were any aboriginal people directly involved in the negotiations of this funding?

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The negotiations did take place and aboriginal people were involved in the negotiations. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Would the Minister inform the House which aboriginal people where involved in the negotiations?

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have that information with me. I will have to get back to the Member with that information. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, languages are an integral part of the aboriginal cultures of the Northwest Territories. What does the Minister plan to do to preserve, enhance and promote aboriginal languages in the Northwest Territories?

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Tony Whitford

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is true language is an extremely important part of the northern culture. There is a great deterioration of aboriginal language usage, which has been happening over the last 20 to 30 years. There is a need to address it very strongly. The territorial government is looking at an aboriginal language strategy. I believe some consultations have already taken place. Plans are for further discussions on this matter before the end of March. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Question 18-14(2): Student Advocate Proposal

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is also for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The Minister is aware there was a Ministers' Forum on Student Financial Assistance that was previously tabled in the House. There were concerns raised by students about service delivery of student financial assistance.

Specifically, things like the late arrival of funding, inconsistent notification that funds had been deposited, more consistency in information and service provided, a need for customer service training for staff, improved accountability when errors were made by staff and the need to review staffing levels to ensure prompt service and no delays in processing applications and funding.

Out of this forum, there was a recommendation that a student advocate be considered to speak on behalf of students to bring their concerns forward to the department. Can the Minister tell me if he feels that this recommendation is a worthwhile one? Thank you.

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Question 18-14(2): Student Advocate Proposal

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 36

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . The Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. The Honourable Jake Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Students have made presentations and have made the department aware of difficulties that were being faced within various matters; processing of cheques, late arrivals and so forth. The issue of a student advocate is being addressed and we are definitely looking at that. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Supplementary, Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So we can assume that the Minister is looking into it and will endeavour to see if we can set up a student advocate, if it is warranted, who would then provide independent advice on how to proceed with claims on behalf of students. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . It sounded like you were asking for an opinion, but I wonder if the Minister would like to answer this. Mr. Ootes , you may answer if you choose.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will answer, Mr. Speaker. We will definitely take that as a serious concern and we will follow through with it.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Mr. Bell , second supplementary. Your question started off with, "we must assume". We cannot assume, we must be factual. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question relates to timeframes. I am wondering if we can look at a student advocate in the next budget? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . The Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the student issue is extremely critical and we all realize that. All of these types of suggestions are very important to us. Wherever we can, we will follow up and we will look at it before the next budget. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 19-14(2): Accident On Highway No. 3

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 36

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation. Yesterday in my statement, I talked about the dangerous situations and hazards that the condition of Highway No. 3 poses to the travellers and the motor vehicle operators. I was wondering if the Minister could tell us what he knows about the accident I was referring to. Specifically, I would like to know the cause of the accident and the road conditions at that time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 19-14(2): Accident On Highway No. 3

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 36

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, the Honourable Vince Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this question is quite specific and the response could be taken one way or the other. I will take the question as notice and respond to the Member in writing.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 36

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Steen . The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Question 20-14(2): Solution To Financial Problems

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 36

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as in my Member's statement, I will be continuing on from my questions yesterday on the budget process. The Minister responsible for the Department of Finance has given a speech today and remarked on a number of things that we have embarked on as Members of the 14th Assembly.

Specifically, in his statement, he talked about the second conclusion, that there are no short term fixes to most of the issues we face. The issues have been developed over a long period of time, so solving them, from what I read here, will take quite some time.

The other area he speaks of is one that we have to pay attention to because it relates directly to a concern that I have raised. It reads "otherwise we will end up tinkering around the edges of our economic and social issues, while they only get worse". I agree that if we do not look at the long term and take a serious inward look at how government carries on its programs and services, tinkering just will not do the job.

Hopefully the Minister can inform us in this House that the directions that are given to staff will not only ensure we do not hit our debt wall, but will ensure that some of the work that is going to be ongoing will in fact be taking a very serious look at how we deliver programs in the House. Is that the situation, Mr. Speaker?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Finance, Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said yesterday, I can reassure you we will do everything in our power to make sure we do not hit that wall. We also have to look at the short term, and we are. If we are going to balance our budget, there are only two ways of doing it. Either we cut expenditures or we find new revenues. We are always open to finding new ways of cutting expenditures.

We are going through a process of reviewing our operations across the government. The departments are working on it. They are looking at everything from capital plans to procurement practices to the way we do business. They are asking is there any money we can save in our current operations? We are looking at the long term, in terms of how do we re-adjust ourselves as a government, what are some potentials for new revenues and what are some ways of doing business differently.

As I said earlier, we want to work in participation with other partners, and we certainly want to discuss a lot of this with the other stakeholders, particularly the aboriginal leaders, before we get into any detail on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I must agree with the Minister that the details of this need to be worked out in partnership with other governments of the Northwest Territories. Will the Minister inform us, because he just talked about a balanced budget, is that the situation? Or are we looking at a combination of reducing expenditures and carrying some debt? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . The Minister responsible for the Department of Finance, Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we expect in this current year, 1999-2000, to have a deficit. I expect that in 2000-2001, we will likely look at another deficit. I do not think it is going to be possible in the short term to see a balanced budget in the next fiscal year. I think we can take some important steps to working towards a balanced budget in the longer term. I do not see how that would be possible right now. We will do everything we can to keep the deficit well under control and we will certainly try not to hit that wall. We have made that commitment. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Handley . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has been talk among employees and regions, that there is some downsizing exercises going on. Can the Minister inform us if that direction has been given, or is it still under development? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . The Minister responsible for the Department of Finance, Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we have a working group, set up by deputy ministers, that is looking at a number of issues. The exercise is ongoing and as I mentioned earlier, we are looking at our main cost drivers, at procurement practices, at the capital budget, at energy consumption and generally how we do business and what things are costing us money. That exercise is ongoing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Roland . Item 6, oral questions. The Chair recognizes the Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 21-14(2): Child And Family Services Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 37

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services. She sent me a note saying to ask more questions about things she can answer. I am not quite sure where to set the bar here, but I will try this one.

Under the scope of the Child and Family Services Review, specifically item seven, if she wants to flip open her briefing book, it is recommended that the Child Welfare League is supposed to recommend what needs to be done in what priority to ensure that the Child and Family Services Program is designed to meet the present and future needs of clients, staff and communities.

These folks are going to be here for possibly six weeks. Can the Minister indicate whether she seriously believes that they are going to be able to answer a question that this department, this government has not been able to answer for 25 years? Does she seriously believe they can answer adequately and finally in six weeks? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . I wonder if that is a question or if that is seeking an opinion. I think you are asking more for an opinion. I wonder if the Member would phrase it in such a way that it is more of a direct question?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you,