Debates of Feb. 25th, 2005

This is page numbers 1561 - 1590 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was tlicho .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Federal Support For Community Infrastructure

Minister Absent From The House

Historic Journey Of The Tlicho People

Day Care In Nahendeh

Legislative Assembly Cultural Enhancement Commission

Lack Of Pre-employment Training Opportunities In Small Communities

Additional Policing Resources

Operational Review Of The Workers' Compensation Board

Division Of The Department Of Resources, Wildlife And Economic Development

Multi-year Funding For Non-government Organizations

Protection Of The Northern Environment

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Costs Of Dividing The Department Of Resources, Wildlife And Economic Development

Operational Review Of The Wcb

Closure Of La Pointe Hall In Fort Simpson

Additional Policing Resources

Multi-year Funding For Non-government Organizations

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Multi-year Funding For Non-government Organizations

Mackenzie Gas Project Intervener Funding

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Capacity Of The Dene K'onia Young Offenders Facility

Return To Written Question 69-15(3): Consumption Of Alcohol

Tabled Document 114-15(3): Response To Petitions 1-15(3) And 3-15(3)

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 96-15(3): Federal Support For Community Infrastructure

Item 1: Prayer

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to share with my colleagues details of recent commitments by the federal government that will support community governments and their infrastructure needs. The signing of the Municipal Rural Infrastructure Fund Agreement between our government and the federal government, along with announcements regarding the allocation of $5 billion in federal gas tax revenue funding under Canada's new deal for cities and communities, are welcome news in the Northwest Territories.

The municipal rural infrastructure fund will provide an investment of $16 million in infrastructure funding to the communities of the Northwest Territories over the next four years.

---Applause

This funding is a positive movement for both the federal and territorial governments to help address the needs of our communities in the areas of water, wastewater and solid waste. As a result, this will help improve the quality of life for our residents. I would like to take this opportunity to share with Members some of the highlights of the agreement.

The municipal rural infrastructure fund will be allocated on the basis of 55 percent to the non-tax-based communities and 45 percent to the tax-based communities, which is consistent with the previous Canada-NWT infrastructure fund.

---Applause

The federal contribution of $16 million will be matched by our government, along with an additional $7 million from the tax-based communities. The federal budget address earlier this week committed to renewing the municipal and rural infrastructure fund when the current five-year program has ended.

In addition, earlier this week, Canada announced how it plans to allocate the $5 billion in gas tax revenue funding among all provinces and territories. The federal government will provide the Northwest Territories with a targeted amount equal to 0.75 percent of the total funding available. This will result in new infrastructure funding for Northwest Territories community governments of $37.5 million over the five-year period beginning in 2005.

---Applause

Northwest Territories communities will receive $4.5 million in 2005-06 and 2006-07. That amount will increase to $6 million in 2007-08 and jump to $7.5 million in 2008-09. The program will reach its ongoing stable funding base of $15 million annually in 2009-10.

---Applause

I am pleased to report that MACA officials began discussions yesterday with Infrastructure Canada towards negotiating the bilateral agreement with Canada for allocation of the funding to the Northwest Territories communities.

The allocation of the federal gas tax revenue reflects the efforts and lobbying of the three territories, who took a pan-territorial approach to the federal government's new deal for cities and communities. In partnership with the Northwest Territories Association of Communities, we supported a funding allocation that reflects those unique needs and pressures of northern and remote communities.

We are all acutely aware of the infrastructure deficit facing Northwest Territories community governments and the department is aggressively exploring options to assist communities to identify and leverage funding for community infrastructure. We welcome the infusion of additional funding for community infrastructure by the federal government because it supplements the limited own-source revenues to which community governments have access.

Both of these recent commitments by the federal government are positive steps that will certainly assist our government and community governments to address current needs and shortfalls in infrastructure. I look forward to continuing work with the Northwest Territories Association of Communities on implementing these two commitments in a manner that is fair, transparent and meets the needs of community governments. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 96-15(3): Federal Support For Community Infrastructure

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 97-15(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 1: Prayer

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Michael Miltenberger will be absent from the House today to attend the Canadian Northwest Fetal Alcohol Spectrum

Disorder Partnership Ministers' meeting in Victoria. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 97-15(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Historic Journey Of The Tlicho People

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on August 22, 1921, with the signing of Treaty 11 by Chief Monfwi in Fort Rae, my people started on an historic journey to find and define their place in Canada. We've recently marked some very important milestones of this journey, including the signing of the Tlicho agreement and passing of legislation in this House and the House of Commons.

Last year, this Assembly passed the Tlicho Community Government Act and I hope we will be passing another milestone later today. Mr. Speaker, a lot of work, a lot of time and a lot of sacrifices went into getting the agreement and legislation developed and in place. The pride that the Tlicho people have can be measured by the number of Tlicho citizens with us here today in the gallery.

The Tlicho agreement is modelled for a future self-government agreement between First Nations and Canada. Mr. Speaker, I don't have time in this forum to thank everyone who worked on making these agreements a reality. I would, however, like to recognize the fathers, mothers, husbands, wives and children who made the best of the situation whenever their loved ones were away from home working for their people. We owe them a lot of debt and gratitude and thanks for all the missed birthdays, anniversaries and graduations.

I would also like to recognize those elders who did not live to see this agreement come to pass. You are in our thoughts and prayers on this joyous occasion, and your spirit and guidance got us to where we are today.

Whenever Tlicho people get together for special occasions, we dance. There will be some dancing going on today to celebrate the conclusion of the debate on the Tlicho Government Agency Act, as the last part of the puzzle.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you and my colleagues in this Assembly for your support of the aspiration of the Tlicho people. It shows that consensus government can work.

It is a new day for my people, Mr. Speaker. We have authority over our own affairs. We have the ability to protect our language, culture, heritage and environment. We are ensuring the future for our children and grandchildren as a distinct society within a cultural mosaic that is Canada. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Day Care In Nahendeh

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Today I would like to talk about day care options in the communities that I represent in Nahendeh. In Fort Simpson there are adequate options available to organizations and private businesses that may wish to rent space to provide day care services. The question that day care operators in Fort Simpson have is related to the adequacy of the subsidy of each child and the amount available from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment for renovations and purchasing new equipment.

The department will have to seriously look at the level of subsidy and other supports that are provided to day care operators in larger centres to ensure the long-term viability of this operation.

Mr. Speaker, the other side of the picture for day care in Nahendeh are the situations in the smaller communities that I represent. Simply put, there are no facilities in these smaller communities for anyone to set up a day care facility. In these communities, Mr. Speaker, we must rely on Granny to provide these day care services.

---Laughter

This is the available workforce, so we need to adjust our systems that regulate the provision of day care to allow communities to use the resources and people that are available to them. Whatever happens out of any new day care funding that may come from the federal government, it is important, Mr. Speaker, that we adjust our programs to meet the day care needs of the parents at the community level. Day care solutions made in Yellowknife, based on southern Canadian best practices, may not work in the NWT's smaller communities. We need solutions that meet the needs of parents and keep the children safe and happy.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, we need flexibility on the part of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to make this happen. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Legislative Assembly Cultural Enhancement Commission

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will speak extra loudly today. Mr. Speaker, earlier, this Legislative Assembly announced the appointment of the first members of our new Cultural Enhancement Commission, which I have the honour of chairing, as Deputy Speaker of this House.

As Members know, the Legislative Assembly was built prior to the division of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut and, of course, it was reflective of the NWT at the time. Following division, during the 14th Assembly, there was some concern about how representative the building was of the cultures of the new NWT and there was a general recognition of a need for a more coordinated approach to cultural enhancement.

This includes things that we usually think of, like art work and displays of traditional crafts, but also involves things like the landscaping around the building and the impression that people get as they come in the front entrance. Of all buildings in the Northwest Territories, the Legislative Assembly needs to be representative of our people and cultures. NWT residents from any community should be able to see some reflection of themselves in this building and surroundings, where we make decisions on their behalf everyday.

Every year, thousands of tourists visit the Legislative Assembly. We need to take advantage of this opportunity to share our values and diverse cultures with people from all over the world.

Mr. Speaker, the building and surroundings also impact us as Members. I am sure all of us can recall the first time we walked through the door as newly-elected MLAs and the awe and sense of responsibility that we felt. I am also sure that, from time to time, all of us who represent constituencies outside of the capital have welcomed the reminders of home and our constituents that are placed in various locations throughout the building.

Mr. Speaker, we often take our public buildings for granted. We might notice generally the feeling we get when we come in the door, but we rarely consider the thought and small details that go into creating those impressions. They don't happen by accident; they take planning and that is why I believe that we are making a very positive step by establishing the Cultural Enhancement Commission.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to working with the newly-appointed commission members. They are Mr. Gerald Antoine, from Fort Simpson; Ms. Annie Felix, from Tuktoyaktuk; Ms. Beverly Masuzumi, from Fort Good Hope; Ms. Colleen McDonald, from Yellowknife; Mr. Sonny McDonald, from Fort Smith; and, Mr. George Tuccaro, from Yellowknife.

This is a very strong and knowledgeable group, who will represent the people and the cultures of the Northwest Territories very well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Lack Of Pre-employment Training Opportunities In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This being Education Week, I would like to wish all educators, parents and students success this week and through the end of the school year.

Mr. Speaker, on Monday, February 21, 2005, I was fortunate to attend the opening of the Akaitcho Technical and Trade Centre in Yellowknife. Although I did not have the time to tour the facilities that afternoon, a quick visual look at the classrooms was very impressive.

Mr. Speaker, larger centres, such as Yellowknife, are fortunate to have corporate sponsorship in donations to facilities such as the Akaitcho Trades and Technical Centre and the Kimberlite Trade and Technical Centre, Mr. Speaker.

I raise this issue, Mr. Speaker, because in smaller communities we do not have the facilities for pre-employment trades for our students. In the Beaufort-Delta there is a mobile introduction to trades training that is offered to the communities of Tsiigehtchic, Fort McPherson, Aklavik and Tuktoyaktuk, where an instructor travels to these communities to offer, as an example, carpentry.

Mr. Speaker, this is good for communities with road access, but what about communities such as Paulatuk, Sachs Harbour and Holman? How are they being served for opportunities for introduction to carpentry, electrical and other trades, Mr. Speaker?

Mr. Speaker, in order for our students to prepare for college or university, or the workforce, it is important schools in smaller communities have facilities such as Akaitcho and Kimberlite trades and technical centres.

Mr. Speaker, I know this government does not have enough funds for capital infrastructure to build facilities in smaller communities, but we should allow all students outside of our large centres a chance for pre-employment trade, when or however this government addresses the needs of smaller communities, to have proper facilities so that they can be exposed to pre-employment trades in preparation for college or university.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, seeing government and industry cannot build trade centres in every community, maybe they could provide some funding for students to travel and take advantage of trade centres outside of their communities, maybe once a week each year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Lack Of Pre-employment Training Opportunities In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Additional Policing Resources

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to use my Member's statement today to clarify some recent comments I made in regard to the $1.4 million in additional funding for the 10 new RCMP officer positions throughout the Northwest Territories.

According to the Government of Northwest Territories and the Department of Justice, two new traffic positions are headed to Hay River and one to Yellowknife. I didn't want to downplay the importance of traffic positions or where they were to be located but, according to the RCMP in Hay River, there are no new traffic positions coming to Hay River. If the Department of Justice is insisting that there is -- and I know the Finance Minister had it in his budget address that they are coming -- are they or aren't they going to Hay River?

What I was hoping to do was draw some attention to the fact that drugs are our biggest problem and, in my mind, our greatest social ill. Families are being destroyed and ripped apart by the ravages of drug addicts. Crack and cocaine are ruining many beautiful young people and

adults in our territory. When I saw that we had found additional money and were looking to fund 10 new RCMP positions throughout the Northwest Territories, obviously I had some concern over what these new resources were going to go for. In my mind, more of it should go to combat drugs that are coming into the Territories.

The only thing I saw in the Finance Minister 's budget address, with any reference to drugs, was a dog and handler that was to be located in Yellowknife. I had some questions about the fact that it was here in Yellowknife, which is at the end of the road system. A large portion of drugs entering the Territories are being driven here. Why couldn't we look at putting the dog and handler in Fort Providence at the ferry, or at the weigh scales in Enterprise?

We need more police officers; that's a fact. We should also find some additional funding for dedicated drug dogs to help us tackle the drug problem. Traffic positions are obviously important and I don't deny that, but I have to question if we're doing enough to get the drugs off our streets. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Good statement.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Operational Review Of The Workers' Compensation Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the year 2000, a legislative review panel was appointed to recommend changes to the Workers' Compensation Act and the Safety Act of the Northwest Territories. In 2002, the panel's report, called "Act Now," was received by the Ministers for the WCB both here and in Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, it's interesting to note that after all that time and that profile and expense, that this report was never tabled in this House. The terms of reference provided for a legislative review, and that panel was to also present the views heard by the stakeholders during a very wide-ranging consultation.

There were some 85 recommendations in the Act Now report and the principal recommendation, the number one direction that this panel gave us, Mr. Speaker, was to engage in an operational review of the WCB. Commitments were made to have that done, but we have yet to see anything, Mr. Speaker. The system was seen on an operational view by many, Mr. Speaker, to be an adversarial system between the WCB and injured workers. A feeling was often expressed that the system was not there to work on behalf of injured workers, but rather to protect the bottom line and the fund of the WCB.

Workers often felt that they were not treated with respect and, Mr. Speaker, ran into areas of difficulty with medical

interpretations, rulings that contradicted medical opinions, things that left injured workers perplexed, Mr. Speaker, and on a never-ending treadmill with the appeals process.

Mr. Speaker, our WCB, in many areas, is a very progressive organization. I am very impressed with the work that it does on behalf of youth and worker safety training and the smoking initiative. But there continues to be, Mr. Speaker, a chronic need for addressing the problems of claims implementation and our appeals mechanism in the WCB. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Division Of The Department Of Resources, Wildlife And Economic Development

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to once again register my concern with the fact that the division of RWED will result in the creation of 28 new jobs at a cost of $2.8 million every year. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the department needed to streamline and separate their mandates between exploring resources to protecting the environment. But that didn't give the government the right to reproduce themselves 28 more little positions in offices. Mr.

Speaker, I don't accept the Minister's position that this had to be done in order to better respond to the work of preparing for the Mackenzie Valley pipeline, for example. I have to tell you, Mr. Speaker, there just has to be more prudent things to do to prepare, than to create more government jobs.

Mr. Speaker, this was an $80 million department that split into two, and surely they could have done this from within. Mr. Speaker, people out there are asking where the resources are for all the people up and down the valley who want a forum to speak about their worries and concerns about the pipeline development. There are other priority items that have been chronically under-funded within the mandate of this department, Mr. Speaker. That is, I have to wonder what the tourism industry could have done with $2.7 million in extra funding on a yearly basis.

Mr. Speaker, I don't think the Members and Cabinet know how frustrating it is for the Members on this side to hear the government saying over and over that they can't pay for this and that, and they have to cut funding to social agencies. They can't fund indoor facilities in Nahanni Butte or Kakisa...

---Applause

...or many, many places.

Yet when they want to reproduce themselves, it's no problem. Three million dollars every year in perpetuity. Mr. Speaker, I don't think the Minister and Cabinet have their priorities straight and I need to state that again very clearly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Division Of The Department Of Resources, Wildlife And Economic Development

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Multi-year Funding For Non-government Organizations

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm certainly glad to finally see the Cotton Ball Club has taken their cotton balls out of their ears today. There were lots of cotton balls there. Okay.

Mr. Speaker, I'm rising today to talk about multi-year funding once again. I brought this issue to the floor of the

House back in October last year, and I'm bringing it again because of the news

article in today's Yellowknifer regarding stabilized funding needed for non-profit groups. Mr. Speaker, there's one quote out of this that I think is critical to emphasize before I continue, which talks about the struggling NGOs and volunteer organizations. It's based, in large part, on how they're funded, not the funding. It's about how they're funded, not their funding; I say again, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, this government tabled, almost three years ago, a social agenda and it talked about multi-year funding for NGOs, Mr. Speaker. It's time we live up to that commitment and promise made to these organizations, Mr. Speaker. How much more time must go by before we address the need we identified that would make their life better?

Mr. Speaker, we need to support them. We support them and I know I support them, Mr. Speaker, so let's start working like a family and let's start working like a business and let's make their life a little better.

Mr. Speaker, NGOs are the heart and soul of our community, yet we make them struggle year after year, funding application after funding application. In my experience, we've never cut anybody off, yet it's a key role of this government to create hot air and administrative paperwork for these organizations that's not necessary. Mr. Speaker, NGOs do what they do best and it certainly isn't providing paperwork for government just because we want more paperwork, Mr. Speaker. Let's uncuff these NGOs. Let's take them out of that hamster wheel of administration, on and on and on. Their purpose is to serve the people, not to serve paperwork.

Mr. Speaker, it's time we start dealing with this. This would take a serious amount of stress off those organizations. It would take away the duress because they're waiting for the 11th-hour phone call to finally get the word that their funding is coming. Mr. Speaker, they cannot do long-term planning because they have staff they can only promise a job to until March 31st every year.

Mr. Speaker, in closing I'm going to say that this government must live up to its commitment it made and, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions at the appropriate time for the Premier to deal with this issue finally. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Protection Of The Northern Environment

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1565

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to talk about our delicate and diversified northern environment. Mr. Speaker, as everyone is well aware, the next step in the adoption of the Kyoto Protocol Agreement has been met with some opposition and question as to the validity and the expectations from all the parties and partners involved.

Mr. Speaker, this agreement and the implications of the agreement will have a direct effect on us all. I'd like to mention something a constituent, who is an environmentalist in his own right, mentioned to me with respect to the protection and the acknowledgement of how delicate our northern environment really is. He could not stress more the need for all residents to realize the delicacy and intricacy of our northern environment and he emphasized the need for information sharing on this topic, because we are always on the front page of the briefings that global climate change agencies and watchdogs review every day.

My friend also made the analogy that we, in the NWT, are like a large piece of litmus paper for the rest of the world when it comes to environmental infractions. By this he means that when any environmental infractions do take place, be it here or anywhere in the world, the effects are not only immediately noticeable in the northern hemisphere, but also long term and, sadly, irreversible in many cases.

So, Mr. Speaker, I'd just like to let the residents of the NWT, industry, government, tourists, everyone know that when we're out on the land, keep this important thought in mind, because what you do in this very delicate and intricate northern environment North of 60 or anywhere in the northern hemisphere will remain with us for a long time. So when you're out there, do good. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to recognize Dallas Stelmack and Matthew Lakusta, both Grade 8 students from the Diamond Jenness Secondary School in Hay River who have served in the House as Pages this week. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also want to recognize two Pages from Fort Providence who were with us for the duration of this week, Murina Sabourin and Rebecca Landry. I want to thank them for coming over to help us out. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to recognize two Pages from Tu Nedhe, Nicole Abel and Olga Aviugana, who have done a lot of good work here this week and hopefully we'll have them back again some time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would also like to extend a thank you to all the Pages who served us this week in the House. Especially I'd like to mention two from my constituency, Johnathan Williams and Reiss Kruger, who have been here and have done a great job for us this week. Thank you to all the Pages who have been here this week.

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Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 482-15(3): Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1566

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Justice . Mr. Speaker, with respect to the placement of remand inmates in cells here in Yellowknife as opposed to Hay River, I would like to ask the Minister if the reason for that is because the Yellowknife correctional centre has empty beds and empty cells that need to be filled here in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We can accommodate the prisoners who would be housed in the remand facility in Hay River in the North Slave Correctional Centre. There is room for them. We don't have to move them here. This is being undertaken as a cost-savings measure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, besides there being room, what else is better about putting the inmates in remand in Yellowknife rather than Hay River? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In terms of better, I don't know if it's a question of it being a better setting. The issue is really one of having two facilities when we can accommodate the prisoners with one. That's where the savings are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this change in operations results in a loss of 5.5 positions in Hay River. Mr. Speaker, with the recent review of the North Slave Correctional Centre, is it not true that there is a human resource plan to look at adding more positions for corrections officers in Yellowknife while taking 5.5 out of the South Slave? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't say whether there's going to be any positions added to the North Slave Correctional Centre or whether a request will come forward for additional staff. I haven't seen the human resources plan. I know the department has been working on one with the assistance of an individual from British Columbia, but I haven't yet been provided with that report if it has been finished. There have been some recommendations by corrections officers who have worked for the federal system out of Fenbrook Institution in Ontario.

They did recommend that we increase some staffing in some areas, but we haven't responded to that one. We have been waiting to see what the final human resources plan will look like. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that over building infrastructure in Yellowknife should not constitute losses in the regions and other communities.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I would like the Minster's commitment that he will not be taking 5.5 positions out of my community and adding corrections positions in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that we're not talking about adding. Even if we were talking about adding positions in the North Slave Correctional Centre, it is not in the remand part of the facility. I'm not aware that there have been any concerns about staffing in that area, and my understanding is that the vacancy in beds could be filled up without there having to be an increase in the numbers of staff. At this point, the two are not the same. If we're talking about an increase in staff in the facility as it stands,

it would be the same as an increase in the overall staffing at South Mackenzie Correctional Centre in the general correctional officer area. We're not talking about changing staff in the remand section. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, further to my statement today, I'd like to ask questions to the Minister of RWED . Mr. Speaker, we have been hearing a lot in the news and during our budget session where we have not been able to fund everything that we need to. I really do believe that for the people out there, they don't really care if we have 28 more positions in RWED or wherever else. What makes the difference to them is what's happening in their communities and to facilities that are breaking down.

We have places with no indoor gyms, we're closing facilities, and I just heard now that there is a very valuable program in Yellowknife that's under the axe. So I'd like to know from the Minister how he can justify creating 20 new jobs and say that's necessary for Mackenzie Valley pipeline development readiness. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not saying 20 jobs because of the Mackenzie Valley pipeline. I'm not saying 28 jobs, as the Member indicated in her statement. It's 23 additional jobs. We've got a heated economy. We had to do something about our mandates in terms of economic development and environmental stewardship. These are critical priorities of this government. They have been well discussed and debated, as our Legislature set out to create the strategic plan. Certainly that's where I was taking my direction, Mr. Speaker.

I want to also indicate that of those 23 jobs, one additional position is not because of the split. It's a position in Hay River to help the south-of-the-lake region better handle some of the increased tourism traffic we're expecting. Also, three of the positions are energy policy positions that didn't exist before the split, because we feel we have a void or a vacuum in terms of a macro-energy policy on the part of this government. So those are the numbers.

In terms of other priorities and our limited resources, I would certainly acknowledge that there are other priorities. We do have limited resources. That's the environment we operate in. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated in my Member's statement, this department, before a split, runs with an $80 million budget. That's a lot of money. Everybody here knows there are always vacancies in any department. There is a lot of room for the Minister to manoeuvre; 20 or 30 percent vacancies. Mr. Speaker, the Minister is already aware and he has already stated that there will be hardly any funding for individuals or small NGOs to take

part in the Mackenzie Valley review process. Most of the government funding goes to other levels of governments and huge organizations. How can he justify even creating 20 new jobs on this when he can't meet the needs of other more important areas within his mandate? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the environment is very important to us, as is the economy. I think it's important that we ensure that the resources are there for us to meet the needs of all NWT residents in this regard. I'd like to also indicate to the Member that when we looked at the breadth of responsibility in this one department, RWED, and compared it to other jurisdictions, Mr. Speaker, British Columbia has six different departments to handle this breadth; in Alberta, it's seven; Saskatchewan has four; Manitoba has eight; Ontario has eight; Newfoundland has five.

We were dealing with one department for all of these mandates and, quite honestly, we didn't feel we were effectively organized and were afraid that some balls would be dropped and some very important things would be missed, especially with the magnitude of development on our doorstep, Mr. Speaker. So that really was the prime motivation.

Let's also keep in mind that we're hopeful we'll have devolution in the next couple of years. We've got to be a devolution-ready organization. I don't think we're there yet. We have something now that will provide us the framework. I think there's a lot more work to do and I don't think it is going to get done adequately with one department handling the lion's share of that responsibility. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm sure that all governments across the country are bigger than ourselves. But we are smaller than the rest of them, as well. We're only 40,000 people and, Mr. Speaker, most of the positions that are being created are senior management positions. They are not going to add to the people on the ground who need to be in contact with communities to do the work. In the end, I really don't think it's going to make a difference in a way that people want to see it. It really, Mr. Speaker, was done to minimize the pain in reorganization and I think the Minister dropped the

ball in terms of looking at the big picture. We have schools that are cracking...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

What is your question, Ms. Lee ?

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Would the Minister revisit this issue? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No. More than half of the positions are regional positions. Yes, there are some superintendents, five superintendents. But more than half these positions are in regions to help us deal with the clients in need, both on the environment side and the economic development side. I know the Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development hears this message loud and clear as it travels.

I've been with them on the road, I've been in these communities and we are hearing that we are not meeting the needs of our communities and we're not able to meet regional needs in terms of preparing people for development and ensuring that we are providing that leadership and that environmental stewardship, Mr. Speaker. I think great initiatives are underway now. The Protected Areas Strategy is certainly something that we've needed for some time. I'm happy that this government has been able to fund this. It's been a long time coming. We're working on cleaning up contaminated sites.

We're doing a lot of good work, but simply, to be quite honest, we needed additional resources in some areas in order for us to meet the demand. That's what we've done here. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With all the resources he had, the Minister still hasn't got the beverage recycling plant off the ground, he hasn't brought in the Wildlife Act that's been in the works for 10 years, and people are crying in the public media saying we want to take

part in having a say about what's going to happen to us with this development. All the Minister is doing is creating government positions in offices. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister not revisit this and see how the money could be better spent in making a difference in people's lives? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know if the Member is making the argument for me, but the fact that the Wildlife Act is taking a long time and the beverage container recovery plan is underway but won't be rolled out in every community for April 1st, I think speaks to our capacity as a government in some regard. I don't want to put it all there, Mr. Speaker. We're moving forward on these initiatives, but quite clearly we have been under resourced. Yes, we do need to work to ensure the federal government steps up to fund its responsibility in terms of helping interveners through this GRPEA.

I don't deny that and we're certainly willing to go to the federal government and insist that they live up to their obligations. But to suggest that our government is not receiving resources from development currently, not receiving the lion's share of the revenues, is the one that should have to fit the bill for interventions across the board I think is misguided, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board and they have to do with the program of legislative changes undertaken in the last Assembly. Mr. Speaker, there was a second phase of legislative review that was committed to. In fact, the most recent report of the WCB says that the second phase of the legislative review will focus on outstanding aspects not addressed in phase one. The research developments and consultations on these issues will be undertaken throughout 2004. Mr. Speaker, that has passed.

I'm not aware of anything that's before us now in terms of more legislative amendments or work to be done on the WCB. Could the Minister please advise the House what the status is of work to be done on the outstanding aspects of the Act Now report? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are working on phase two legislation. There is draft legislation that is being developed and I am working with my counterpart in Nunavut. Because we have a joint board here, we have to share the information. I just concluded a meeting on January 25th in Iqaluit with my counterpart, Mr. Akesuk, from Nunavut, on the basis that we have to go forward with the legislation jointly because we have shared the same legislative authority and it has to proceed.

We are reviewing that legislation jointly between the two territories and we are hoping to have something ready by the fall so we can bring it forward to our counterparts. Because of the sensitivity between the two legislatures, and because of the situation that happened last time under phase one where the legislation was passed in this House and then was given to the Nunavut government, they felt that they didn't really have any ability to change that legislation once it was produced.

This time we're hoping to come forward jointly with the new phase two legislation into the respective legislatures at the same time, so that we can both have a process of debate through the committee process and also to ensure that if there are any changes from either side, that it will be done independently of each other instead of having to rubberstamp something that comes forward. So we are working on it. We are proceeding with phase two legislation.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, the primary recommendation of the Act Now report was that an operational review be undertaken of the WCB. This was reflecting the concerns and comments of many injured workers who have difficulty with the claims implementation area and, I believe, not a few employers who also had issues there. Is this government, this WCB, going to undertake any action at all under that very significant recommendation to have an operational review of the WCB? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like I stated, we are working closely with our partners in Nunavut with this legislation and we are looking to ensure that the phase two recommendations are proceeding. A lot of that does have to deal with ensuring we have a system of how to deal with appeals, and how to ensure clients are dealt with fairly.

I think through the changes and the input from myself and my counterpart from Nunavut, we've had these discussions on making some major changes, but also ensuring that we have a transparent system that works for both jurisdictions, and also realizing that, at the end of the day, it's the clients that we want to ensure the positive changes we do make are in good standing with the people we're there to serve. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure the Minister understands the difference between a legislative review, which is partly what we've undertaken, and an operational review, which is to say that once we've created the rules and the platform for how a job is to be done, how is the job actually implemented and undertaken. This is where many injured workers have come to me and other MLAs, to say that the way the WCB performs in this area for some workers, not all, but for some, puts them on an endless treadmill of appeals and frustration. When are we going to undertake an operational review? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the legislation that I talk about in regard to the draft legislation does address the issue of the appeals process. We realize there are some concerns in that area and in order to make it work better, we have to make those changes.

So we are addressing the area of the appeals because of concerns, but we're also trying to have a transparent system through the new legislation to ensure that when people come forward and they have an appeal, that the appeal is being heard and that we've responded to it without having legislation that is overlapping between the authority of the government's counsel or the Appeals Tribunal.

So we're ensuring that those two functions operate in a clearer manner than they are right now because if the legislation has originated from this, it does have some overlap and we are trying to resolve that through the proposal that is coming forward; to look at the new legislation under phase two to ensure that we have a system that works. With regard to the Appeals Tribunal and the roles that they have in regard to the governance council, the Appeals Tribunal should ensure that they don't have these overlapping authorities where they are bumping into each other.

I think that is the area that I and my counterpart in Nunavut are looking at to ensure that we make these changes so that we avoid these kinds of inconveniences to the people that are going through the appeals process.

So this is an opportunity for us to look at that and, with regard to the Members on the other side, once we have more meat on the bone with regard to figuring out what's in that legislation and we have something that is solid, I will bring it forward to the Members so they can have a chance to look at that.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, the public report called Act Now, which spurred these initial changes, was presented to the Ministers almost three years ago now, but has yet to be tabled in this House. Will this Minister table this report for the record in this Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to ask a question to the Minister of Public Works and Services . Just recently the Village of Fort Simpson met and they forwarded me a concern that the department is looking at shutting down the Deh Cho Hall, formerly known as the La Pointe Hall. The village is concerned that it's scheduled for 2006, based on an evaluation report. What is this report, Mr. Speaker, and when can we see this report? Thank you very much.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that facility is one that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment uses to deliver its programs in that community and region. What was done and undertaken was a review through the fire marshal's office and, on that recommendation, we've moved in this area. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that, perhaps the Minister can correct me if I'm wrong, that was a report about four or five years ago. I'm not too sure how old that report is, but I believe some conditions have changed there. Does this report also speak about a relocation plan? Does that report speak to that, Mr. Speaker?

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Floyd Roland

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the initial work was done as far back as about 2002, when the fire marshal was looking at that facility. There is a meeting coming up on Monday, between Public Works and Services and Education, Culture and Employment, to review what the necessary steps will have to be. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad that there's a meeting coming up to discuss the life of the building and what the department plans to do. It has come up several times in constituency meetings that I've had in Fort Simpson, Mr. Speaker. People are concerned about maintaining the building. It's about 10,000 square feet and it's a future training facility; that's what people would like to see. Can the Minister and can this government look at ways of maintaining this building? Even though government has to move out, do they have to demolish this building? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, based on the recommendations we received and the code upgrades that have been required, we'd have to do a cost-benefit analysis. That's why the direction has been, at this point, to look at relocating, and that's what the meeting is going to be about; to see what needs to be done to make sure that the department can continue to operate in the community and in the region.

With respect to the facility ongoing, again, we haven't identified the cost of doing a total upgrade on that to see if it is a usable space. The government's initial move, looking at the preliminary reports, was to look at alternative space. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I think the general feeling in Fort Simpson is that, if we undertake a good comprehensive review or a good foundation analysis of this building, you'll find that it will probably stand for another 100 years. So that's the concern, Mr. Speaker. Will the government and will the Minister have a real good look at this building and not demolish it, because we can certainly use a facility of that size in Fort Simpson? Mahsi cho.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we can't commit to continue using the facility unless we get the okay from the fire marshal's office. So with the fire marshal's recommendation, the facility can't be used beyond 2006. That's why we've undertaken this next step, working with Education, Culture and Employment, and we can look at the reports to see what options might be out there. But with the preliminary work that has been done, this avenue was chosen because it's the most cost-effective way to move. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Justice and it's in regard to the $1.4 million in additional funding for 10 new RCMP officer positions in the Northwest Territories. Can the Minister say for me today where exactly these new positions are located? I know in Minister Roland 's budget address it outlined four different communities. Maybe the Minister has a breakdown for us where these positions are located. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The positions on the highway patrol unit are two for Hay River and one for Yellowknife. The other positions, as I understand it, there would be about six positions that would go between Rae and Yellowknife and some other communities. But I believe the Member is most interested in the highway positions. I'd just like to make sure that the Member knows that the RCMP officers who would be dedicated to highway patrols would also have cross-training and specific training in drug interdiction. So there is training that is provided to highway patrol officers to

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess the deficit that I last heard was that we needed 26 new RCMP officers in the territory. This funding only addresses 10 of them. I know drugs are a huge issue here in the Northwest Territories. What are the Minister and this government going to do to try to secure additional funding so that we can fill the other 16 positions by this time next year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, with the positions that we have in this year's budget and what was in last year's budget, we are only going to be six positions short of what the RCMP asked for. I told the standing committee, when I appeared in front of them, that it was my intention to put the request forward as part of the business plan for next year, to follow through on delivering those RCMP officers in the next budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister given any thought to maybe requesting of the RCMP to develop some type of drug taskforce here in the Northwest Territories to try to curb the amount of drugs that are coming into our territory? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I meet with the RCMP, drugs are certainly an issue that we talk about. I think it's important to remember that there is a

section in the RCMP that deals with drug trafficking and they are federally-funded positions. I have been working with Chief Superintendent Summerfield to pressure the federal government to make sure that all of those positions are filled and active in the Northwest Territories, and I will continue to make the point with the RCMP that we do need to be very vigilant on drugs. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted the Minister to confirm for me that there are indeed two new positions going into Hay River. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As recently as last week I had that confirmed to me by the RCMP from headquarters here. So as far as I know, it may have changed in the last week, but I doubt it. I believe that the traffic unit will be increased by two officers based in Hay River. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise again to ask questions about multi-year funding and my questions will be directed to the Premier of our government. Mr. Speaker, it's my opinion that multi-year funding could be the hallmark of this Assembly instead of oil and gas and hydro. So with that question with regard to multi-year funding, is it a position or a policy of this government to create instability or uncertainty amongst our volunteers or in the NGO sector, or at the very least is it a position of our government, although maybe not written, to support our volunteer or NGO sector? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . I've heard about two or three questions there. I'll let the Premier answer one. Mr. Premier .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I'll answer the last question. Yes, it is the policy of our government to support non-government organizations within the mandate that we give them. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you for being very clear on your support, Mr. Premier . Mr. Speaker, I believe that these NGOs provide the frontline service that our government does not provide. Does this Premier have a position in this government that these NGOs provide a significant role to the social fabric of the Northwest Territories that the government is not offering in basic service? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, there may be some cases where NGOs are offering a service that we do not offer. In most cases, I would look at it as the NGOs enhancing the programs and services that we offer by dealing with it in a more specific way, often regionally or by community or simply in terms of the mandate doing it in a more detailed way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my next question for the Premier of our government truly is a straightforward one; maybe we'll get a direct answer on this one. Mr. Speaker, in June of 2002 we had our government table the action plan for a social agenda. Where is this government's action plan to addressing the need for multi-year funding to address the starving stability that's out there for NGOs and volunteer organizations? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I'm not really sure what starving stability is or isn't.

---Laughter

But, Mr. Speaker, with regard to the issue of multi-year funding, our government has and continues to negotiate for multi-year funding with non-government organizations. We have done that, we're doing it and we'll continue to do that. Mr. Speaker, I have to say though that every multi-year funding agreement is subject to the appropriation being passed in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a heavy booklet here that's double sided. There are 40 line items a page and there are about 10 pages here of groups that we make go through hoops and wringers every year to sign up for their funding, and they only get the phone call at the 11th hour on year-to-year funding. They have to do proposal after proposal every year. This creates instability and they can't hire workers. My question for the Premier is will he look at addressing the problem with multi-year funding, as outlined in the social agenda tabled in this House in June of 2002, and address this problem immediately? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, even if non-government organizations have multi-year funding agreements, they still have to annually account for the money that has been given to them. We still have the right and responsibility to change the mandate or change the contract that we may have with them. Mr. Speaker, this House votes the budget every year. We can't have multi-year agreements that go beyond the authority of this House. So, Mr. Speaker, they will continue to have to account for the money. If some NGOs are frustrated be