Budget, Oral Questions, Climate Change, Wildlife — 19 October 2012 (17th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 1281–1314)
2012-10-19, 17th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 1281–1314
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Oct. 19th, 2012
This is page numbers 1281 - 1314 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chair .
Topics
Oral Questions
Members Present
Prayer
Minister’s Statement 58-17(3): 2012 Summer Student Program
Minister’s Statement 59-17(3): Small Business Week
Climate Change Impact Costs
Proposed New Wildlife Act
Transitional And Public Housing Needs In Yellowknife
“pathways To Prosperity” Conference
Fort Simpson Municipal Election
Permanent Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
Regional Services For Homelessness And Drug Treatment
Decentralization
On-Line Services For Motor Vehicles Registration And Drivers’ Licence Renewals
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
Wait Times For Driver Testing
On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
Proposed New Wildlife Act
Motor Vehicle Driver Testing
Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
Highway No. 7
Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
Written Question 10-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Funding
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Tabled Document 73-17(3): Additional Information For GNWT Response To Cr 1-17(3), Review Of NWT Information And Privacy Commissioner’s 2010-2011 Annual Report
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Report of Committee of the Whole
Orders of the Day
The House met at 10:00 a.m.
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Prayer
Prayer
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Minister of HR , Mr. Abernethy .
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Minister’s Statement 58-17(3): 2012 Summer Student Program
Ministers’ Statements
Glen Abernethy
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am happy to report that the Government of the Northwest Territories hired 308 students this past summer. This was an increase of 9 percent from 2011, when 286 students were hired. Of the 308 students hired, 54.6 percent were indigenous Aboriginals.
The summer student employment is an investment in our future and our youth. Through this program, northern students gain valuable work experience to complement their formal education and test drive the GNWT as a future employer.
At the end of the summer, we asked the students about their experiences. The feedback we received was very positive. One student responded by saying the best thing about working for the GNWT was the autonomy: having a supervisor who believed the staff could handle their responsibilities. We want these students to come back next summer and apply what they’ve learned. They’ll get increasingly complex duties and develop as individuals. We want them to have fulfilling careers after they graduate and consider a career with the public service.
This year we made changes to the summer student orientation to ensure that students understand their job duties and our expectations of them. We held three full-day orientation sessions in Yellowknife, and one each in Fort Smith, Fort Simpson and Inuvik. Students had the opportunity to hear about work and life in the GNWT from all levels of management. I had the chance, at one session, to explain our expectations and promote the public service as an employer. While fielding questions, I
was very impressed by the intelligence and enthusiasm of this bright group of students.
Students also heard from GNWT employees who had recently taken advantage of the summer student and internship programs to start their careers in the public service. Peer feedback on how experience complements formal education helps ensure that our youth are equipped for a positive and successful career after graduation.
Our investment in summer students is paying off. Our public service workforce is growing older, and so we rely on student programs and internships to transfer knowledge from one generation to another. To quote another student, “there are many benefits to returning to the GNWT after graduation; it is one of the best places to start as a newly graduated person for the experience and responsibilities that you are given.” The GNWT has just been recognized as one of Canada’s top 100 employers for 2013, and our efforts to recruit and retain students and interns contributed greatly to that recognition.
I was proud to see the Globe and Mail coverage included an interview with a former student who is now a senior manager in our government.
Mr. Speaker, it was a very successful summer for the employment of students. I would like to thank department and agency managers for the incredible work they do with the students and to all others who support this program. Summer students are a good investment in the public service of the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement 58-17(3): 2012 Summer Student Program
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .
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Minister’s Statement 59-17(3): Small Business Week
Ministers’ Statements
David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Mr. Speaker, Small Business Week is from October 14th to 20th .
Small Business week gives us the opportunity to celebrate the contributions and achievements that Northwest Territories entrepreneurs make to all our communities. I would like all of us to take this opportunity to recognize and thank our small business owners and operators. They keep our economy strong, employ residents and supply us with necessary goods and services.
When I talk to entrepreneurs throughout the territory, I am impressed with their determination, resilience and hard work. Our economy is constantly changing and our small business owners evolve right along with it to keep on top of this ever changing business climate.
The world's economy has taken a hit over the past couple of years and is still recovering; the Northwest Territories was also not immune to the impact of the global economic crisis. However – and in true testament to our Northern resilience – it is during difficult times that small businesses get creative.
Time and time again, NWT small business owners leverage this creativity into successful ventures.
The Government of the Northwest Territories is dedicated to reducing administrative “red tape” for small businesses. The GNWT Program Review Office works with departmental staff to ensure efficiency, determine program effectiveness and report on achieved results. In addition, several initiatives are also in place. These include BizPal, a one-stop on-line resource to learn about all permits and licences required to operate a business in the NWT, our manufacturing policy which simplifies and reduces red tape for manufacturers selling their products to the GNWT, and our regional offices which are available to provide assistance and support to all NWT businesses.
We will continue to provide support for entrepreneurs so they can continue to operate successful businesses, strengthen and diversify our economy, and keep our communities strong.
To show support for our small business owners and entrepreneurs, I encourage people to buy local to show support for our northern businesses and ensure money stays in the territory, this week and every week of the year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement 59-17(3): Small Business Week
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .
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Climate Change Impact Costs
Members’ Statements
Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I received a response Wednesday to my written questions to the Minister of Transportation ’s climate change adaptation statement of May 31st . It
contains some startling cost figures and is clearly a prophesy for the future.
I asked for information on a number of topics, including cost impacts on the road systems. A five-year-old conservative estimate sets the impact on roads to $1.2 million every year. Five-year-old
figures aren’t too useful when Arctic sea ice melt estimates are withering faster than the ice.
Elsewhere the response tops up the bill: $300,000, for ferry ice spray equipment, $1.5 million for Highway No. 3 test strips and $100,000 for a vulnerability assessment, $700,000 to extend openings at three ferry crossings, $852,000 to repair shifting highways. The report goes on: $230,000 for Climate Change Adaptation Plan development, $140,000 for ice penetrating radar, $90,000 for ice road adaptation projects, $860,000 for improved de-icing facilities at the Yellowknife Airport.
Mr. Speaker, I asked for information on the Inuvik Airport when their plane slid off the runway, but that wasn’t supplied.
In all, over $6 million in increased costs just for the specifics I asked for. Remember, this is only the Department of Transportation budget. It doesn’t even touch the costs to all other departments for damage to infrastructure, increased costs of maintenance, or impacts on cost of living for all of our citizens for shrinking roads, impacts on different structure, et cetera, damage to their property.
As the Minister’s May 31st statement said, the facts
are daunting and pose a new level of uncertainty. So what’s the response? Well, the proud news release of last week confirmed we hope to limit NWT greenhouse gas emissions of 2020 to a 66 percent growth over 2005 levels. As our current highways degrade and soak up increased maintenance dollars, we plan to drive new roads across some of the worst construction conditions in the world.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.
---Unanimous consent granted
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Climate Change Impact Costs
Members’ Statements
Bob Bromley
Weledeh
We may be able to build the Inuvik-Tuk highway and Mackenzie Valley Highway but can we maintain them? Just ask my colleague Mr. Menicoche about Highway No. 7.
So what would be an appropriate response, Mr. Speaker? We clearly need to recognize our situation and provide the leadership so needed on this pervasive issue. Let’s put in place the policies that lead aggressively to a low-carbon economy in ways that build new industries, provide new jobs, strengthen our local economies and generate the environmental benefits we all want so much.
Such action would attract the people we want to come north and join our society as we lead the way. I will be asking questions later during question period, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.
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Climate Change Impact Costs
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .
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Proposed New Wildlife Act
Members’ Statements
Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The renewal of the Wildlife Act is a high priority for this government. Updates to existing legislation are long overdue and additional provisions to modernize the act are equally needed. The renewal of the Wildlife Act has been a long journey, a trail that hasn’t ended yet.
First Nations governments have lingering concerns about how this legislation, when passed, will affect their traditional lands and how they will be able to manage the resources that have sustained their lives for centuries. In spite of assurances that the rights guaranteed to the Aboriginal people in the Canadian Constitution will prevail over the act, members of our First Nations communities remain concerned about how their rights will be upheld.
One of the greatest areas of conflict when the Wildlife Act was introduced in the last Assembly was membership in the Conference on Wildlife Management. If we want a stable and effective wildlife management system, this source of disagreement must be resolved before legislation is passed. Our approach to serious issues affecting wildlife will only be as strong as the consensus reached among stakeholders on basic wildlife management structure. That emotion will also impact wildlife management.
I caution Cabinet that many people in the Northwest Territories still feel that the Devolution Agreement-in-Principle and the new Wildlife Act are undermining their treaty and Aboriginal rights. What we can do right now is agree to work together.
The Government of the Northwest Territories has deferred the introduction of the new act for a few more months in order to continue to address some of the divisive issues in the legislation that was introduced in the 16th Assembly. The Department of
Environment and Natural Resources conducted further consultation this summer and has made an effort to meaningfully engage all stakeholders. The general public and, in particular, First Nations must be fully engaged in the development of this important act.
Members on this side of this House look forward to working with Cabinet to pass a sound piece of legislation that works in the best interest of wildlife and the rights and interests of all people in the Northwest Territories.
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Proposed New Wildlife Act
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Transitional And Public Housing Needs In Yellowknife
Members’ Statements
Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke yesterday in my statement of a number of issues
raised during the Yellowknife municipal election, but time did not permit me to list them all.
Another election concern mentioned many times during the campaign was the cost of living, and a huge contributor to Yellowknife’s cost of living is housing. This city lacks both affordable housing and enough housing for the homeless, including the homeless who couch surf.
Mr. Bromley spoke yesterday of lengthy waiting lists at all of the local housing authorities, Yellowknife included. If you’re a single person in Yellowknife looking to get into public housing, you won’t. There are not enough units and the policies place singles as an absolute bottom priority for public housing.
There’s one particular wait list that I’m especially concerned about and that is the waiting list at Rockhill, the only transitional housing facility in Yellowknife. I was shocked to hear last week that their waiting list is at 150 families and increasing daily. That is in addition to the applications for public housing at the Yellowknife Housing Authority.
Yellowknife is a magnet community and many NWT residents move to Yellowknife from their own community to access the programs and services that are offered here. Yellowknife needs more public housing and more transitional housing.
Because this is a large community compared to others in the NWT, because there are many single family homes and a thriving rental market here, it is assumed, wrongly, that anyone living in Yellowknife can find housing for themselves and their families. This works for most, but low-income families are seriously struggling.
As I said, there are over 150 applicants on the waiting list at the YWCA transitional housing. Why such a long list? Because people can’t afford the rent charged for market housing. The current vacancy rate of less than 1 percent favours landlords, and public housing units are just not available.
Yellowknife needs more public housing and more transitional housing. The NWT Housing Corporation has about 2,400 public housing units throughout the NWT, and that’s in 23 of our communities. How many of those public housing units are in Yellowknife? Yellowknife has only 289 units. That means 12 percent of the total public housing units in the NWT are in Yellowknife. Twelve percent to serve 50 percent of the NWT’s population. That’s not enough and the Housing Corporation must act to fill Yellowknife’s urgent need.
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Transitional And Public Housing Needs In Yellowknife
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .
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“pathways To Prosperity” Conference
Members’ Statements
Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sorry about that. Last week in Yellowknife I had the pleasure of attending the Northern Governance and Economic Prosperity Conference that brought together indigenous northern government, business leaders, policymakers, social activists and economics under the theme Pathways to Prosperity.
The premise of the conference was to reflect on northern political institutions that could change to better adapt to various governance authorities while balancing the social and economic challenges. This was a tall task, but I must praise the work of the conference co-chairs, Mr. Willard Hagen, Dr. Stephanie Irlbacher-Fox and our former Premier Mr. Stephen Kakfwi for an outstanding job.
Both our Premier and Minister Ramsay had keynote addresses to the conference delegates. One key line that resonated well by Premier McLeod was: “We want a territory where strong northern governments work together in the best interests of all people of the Northwest Territories, while exercising their own authorities and respecting each other’s jurisdiction.” I commend the Premier for his consistent and strong message on behalf of the 17th Assembly.
I was also taken back by the size and the scope of the conference topics such as social suffering, managing and creating capacity, fracking, resource management and economic wellness. It was clear that the overarching theme of finding pathways to prosper was indeed befitting, given the economic setbacks faced by many in the Northwest Territories. One particular session I attended was called “Can territorial government foster economic wellness”. Particularly interesting was the premise that one could measure our economy by virtue of its wellness or social wellness.
In essence, these governments that strive for strong social wellness behaviour had a much better capacity for achieving a stronger economic future; a simple message but a very meaningful outcome.
Finding ways to balance amidst poverty, political development and economic opportunity is no small feat. Yet, I believe this conference captured quite nicely all the major roadblocks at work while keeping a lens on prosperity.
Mr. Speaker, again, my congratulations for all the hard work behind the scenes in preparing for such a large-scale and successful conference. The delegates have all returned home and I know that many of them are using their newly minted tools for a better Northwest Territories. Thank you.
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“pathways To Prosperity” Conference
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .
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Fort Simpson Municipal Election
Members’ Statements
Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I wish to congratulate the newly elected Village of Fort Simpson councillors and the DEA council. But firstly, congratulations to Mr. Mayor Sean Whelly, who was acclaimed as mayor of Fort Simpson. It shows the confidence residents have in him by returning him for a second term. Congratulations to the newly elected Village of Fort Simpson council members: Mr. Larry Campbell, Mr. Robert Hanna, Mrs. Leah Keats, Ms. Marie Lafferty, Mr. Ron McCagg, Mrs. Stella Nadia, Mrs. Renalyn Pascau-Matte and Mr. Tom Wilson.
I also commend those who were not elected, for putting their name forward, and a big thank you to those councillors not re-elected, who dedicated their time and effort in serving the Village of Fort Simpson for the past three years.
Congratulations to DEA members elected and re-elected: Mrs. Elizabeth Hardisty, Mrs. Mary Isaiah, Ms. Tanya Klassen, Ms. Martina Norwegian, Ms. Marion Storm and Mr. Rock Matte. I wish you every success in your term. Mahsi cho.
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Fort Simpson Municipal Election
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .
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Permanent Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
Members’ Statements
Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Mackenzie River will soon be freezing and Tsiigehtchic will be cut off from Inuvik by road, and Fort McPherson too, for that matter. We love this time of year, and not just because it’s the only period that a nurse is stationed in Tsiigehtchic. I wonder how many years my predecessor and I have been asking for that nurse to stay put in Tsiigehtchic year round. It seems that our pleas and that of the local leadership are falling on deaf ears.
I’m willing to give the current Health Minister the benefit of the doubt, since he’s only been in the office for a year. He could become famous in the Mackenzie Delta if he finds a way to station a permanent nurse in Tsiigehtchic. The Minister probably remembers that the idea made its way into the Health and Social Services 2010-11 business plan, only to be forgotten ever since.
A local nurse would improve health care in Tsiigehtchic and reduce the need for so much travel to Inuvik and beyond. I think a local nurse would help people get attention to their medical needs earlier, before they become critical. This is one of our main goals for improving our health care system.
Back in May I said that housing is no longer a problem, Mr. Speaker. The community has set aside housing for a nurse.
We’re coming up to next year’s budget and I want to go on record today. I’m urging the Health Minister to please include funds for a nurse in Tsiigehtchic. The allocation would go to the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority which has been administered by his department for some years now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Permanent Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .
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Regional Services For Homelessness And Drug Treatment
Members’ Statements
Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday my colleagues had the opportunity to speak about treatment centres and day shelters, homeless shelters here in Yellowknife. I do agree with them; Inuvik does have an issue and it’s something that needs be addressed. In Yellowknife here, you just need to walk down to the corner to see the issues that present themselves to the capital of the Northwest Territories. We all have to work together to find solutions to these problems of homelessness, addictions, mental health, but we can’t forget about the regional centres and we can’t forget about the communities.
I had the opportunity to attend a panel discussion here in Yellowknife about a month ago when we were going through our business sessions. Mr. Speaker, I was very pleased to hear about all the services that are provided in Yellowknife. Although we have a big population here, the services that are provided here don’t exist in the small communities or the regions. I am just going to list off a few here; the YWCA at Rockhill, the Salvation Army, Centre for Northern Families, the John Howard Society, the youth centre ministries, also known as SideDoor Youth Centre, the Bailey House and the Betty House, just to name a few. I’m sure there’s more.
If we go to the communities, Fort Simpson, Hay River, Norman Wells, we don’t have those types of infrastructures or services to provide to our people that need it. We can’t forget about the communities or the regional centres who are dealing with issues like this.
Mr. Speaker, I made my statement today because it did sound like Yellowknife has a really big issue and they do and we need to find solutions and support them. But outside of Yellowknife, we have 32 other communities that do need the help too.
When it comes to implementing services such as detox centres, treatment centres and homeless shelters, service providers from the communities want to hear more of a commitment rather than a maybe yes, maybe no answer to these much needed services in the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.
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Regional Services For Homelessness And Drug Treatment
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Decentralization
Members’ Statements
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to talk today a little bit on one of my favourite topics: decentralization.
We’ve been talking about this a lot and I’d like to thank the Premier and Minister Ramsay , who recently took the time to meet with a delegation from Hay River, including MLA Bouchard, myself, the then-acting mayor and representative from the Chamber of Commerce, and the town SAO who came up to Yellowknife and discussed several issues, but one of them, and one of the very important ones, of course, was decentralization.
I don’t need to tell people I’ve been around this place a long time, and although this has been the cry of Members from outside of Yellowknife for many years, I am very pleased to report that we are starting to see some sincere and concrete commitment and movement on the part of this Cabinet to realize some decentralization of some of the programs, services, positions and activities that normally would occur in the capital to the other regions.
I can’t go into detail at this time, of course, because some of these things haven’t been announced yet, but I think I can safely say there’s been some groundwork done in terms of determining the capacity that communities outside of Yellowknife have to accommodate workers. They’ve looked at office space, they’ve looked at housing, they‘ve looked at space in schools. This government has begun to look at those things and we are expecting to see some early results from some of that work that’s been done.
I’d like to thank Minister Abernethy for choosing Hay River as the location of the first gathering of the anti-poverty roundtable, and they came down to Hay River and subsequently met in Inuvik. These are the concrete kinds of things that I think this government can do to demonstrate that they do care about sustainable, vibrant communities outside of the capital. Thank you.
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Decentralization
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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On-Line Services For Motor Vehicles Registration And Drivers’ Licence Renewals
Members’ Statements
Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How many of us have sat in the waiting room at the motor vehicle office watching Food Network while we’re waiting to renew our driver’s licence or vehicle registration? And only if you’re from a large centre do you get that chance, because if you’re from a small centre you don’t have the chance to sit and watch the Food Network while you sit for a long period of time to get that driver’s licence renewed.
Quite frankly, this is a service that should be moving to go on-line. In many provinces across Canada, residents, in the comfort of their own homes, in front of their own TVs and computers can renew their own licences, cancel their vehicles, licence, registration,
schedule road and knowledge tests, request driver records, discard vehicle and cancel temporary licence and registration. They can change the address on their driver’s licence, make payments of any other motor vehicle service, request drivers’ abstracts and even, in some cases, replace drivers’ licences and IDs, and that’s all on-line.
The province of Ontario even offers mail service to send you the stickers for your licence plates to do your updated renewal. Even provinces with limited numbers of services provide these types of services to their residents because they feel on-line services are important.
This is the type of information we should be working towards to convey to our citizens. We live in a day and age where we shop on-line, we pay our bills and taxes on-line, we read the latest newspapers, and we even book flights to exotic locations. Some of us have applied to university on-line, and heck, in cases like myself, I’ve even bought paints on-line. But I have no doubt that people are even watching the proceedings of the House on-line from, again, the comfort of their desktop, laptop and even, in some cases, mobile phones.
So with all these fantastic services all provided on-line, it’s time that we move to simple services such as driver abstract options on-line. I think the Department of Transportation could be looking at this on a serious note. Frankly, the issue I see right now is a lot of good citizens here don’t have 45 minutes or longer to go sit down at the DMV for simple services. And if you live in a community, should you be forced to drive an hour just to go get your civil services through the DMV? I think this would be a great leap forward to the citizens of the Northwest Territories and I would think that it would demonstrate that we’re tuned in to territorial issues,
this being simply one of them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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On-Line Services For Motor Vehicles Registration And Drivers’ Licence Renewals
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Order! Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Bromley .
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a great pleasure to welcome a couple of visitors from Norway: Marthe Svensson and Gaute Svensson and their son Edgar. They may be back and forwards from the lobby there. Also, John Stephenson, a constituent of Weledeh. The visitors from Norway are, of course, staying in Weledeh. Mahsi.
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Today I’m happy to have my wife present here today. It’s not too often she gets to come down and be here. So it’s good to have you here.
Moving on, item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Blake .
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned in my opening statement, I have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . One of the benefits I mentioned earlier in my statement, what would it really cost to station a nurse in Tsiigehtchic? Thank you.
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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Tu Nedhe
Tom Beaulieu
Minister of Health and Social Services
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If we were to station one nurse in Tsiigehtchic, I would assume that just the cost of the salary would be approximately $120,000 with all the benefits and everything, but we would not be able to station just one nurse in Tsiigehtchic.
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
What savings does the Health department estimate there would be as a result of reducing travel and some lowering of the need for critical care?
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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Tu Nedhe
Tom Beaulieu
Minister of Health and Social Services
According to the integrated service delivery model we are using and have been using for a while that we are updating, there would be a savings of travel, that’s true, of medical travel and so on. To what degree I don’t have that information here with me, because we haven’t tested that to the degree where we are trying to put a service in Tsiigehtchic, but we haven’t cost out to what degree that would save by having a registered nurse in Tsiigehtchic at this time.
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
Will the Minister station a licenced practical nurse in Tsiigehtchic on a full-time basis as a pilot project?
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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Tu Nedhe
Tom Beaulieu
Minister of Health and Social Services
We are actually looking at that. What we are doing with the integrated service delivery model is determining what service is most often needed in each of the communities, going right from the smallest community to the largest community, and what is the most common service that is required. Within that model what we do is determine how much service, how many nurses are needed in each community. Then we have the issue of safety, and within that issue the Canadian Association of Nursing has one criterion, I suppose, in as far as the amount of population that would be needed to accommodate a nurse.
What they’re saying is that because there is, we are not allowed to place one nurse in a station by themselves due to safety reasons, that we need at least two nurses and you have to have a population of at least 250 people in one location in order to accommodate two nurses, whether they are registered nurses or LPNs.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Mr. Blake .
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister budget for one nurse and one LPN in Tsiigehtchic as part of the budget for 2013-2014?
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Tu Nedhe
Tom Beaulieu
Minister of Health and Social Services
As I indicated, we are looking at that. We need to determine the needs by how using that integrated service delivery model will, again, determine the scope of practice that is presented to every community through all the of physician fields. With that model we have to make that decision to use our resources where they have the greatest impact. We’re not pleased that we have communities that do not have nursing, there’s no question about it, but we have to make the right decision. It’s very difficult to pay people on a full-time basis for doing nothing. That’s what happens sometimes when you have a population base that’s too small and too many resources to respond to that population base.
However, we’ve talked about the idea if you do have individual nurses in Tsiigehtchic, they’re 20 minutes away on the road to a larger populated area, being Fort McPherson. So we may actually have to work with both communities in order to try to accommodate a nurse being located in Tsiigehtchic. Again, working with the authority and the department, we’re trying to look at all those models. Thank you.
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Question 188-17(3): Nurse In Tsiigehtchic
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .
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Question 189-17(3): Wait Times For Driver Testing
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Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Hawkins brought up earlier about the department of motor vehicles and I particularly like the Food Network and it makes the wait feel less long. The people at DMV are great, once you get to work with them.
I have a constituent concern that came forward to me about a son of a constituent who was told that there was a three-month waiting list to get their road test. This was confirmed by the office of the Department of Transportation. The unfortunate thing is that not everyone passes their first road test. So in this situation here, we may have people in Yellowknife here and the surrounding area that use our services here for motor vehicles, that it could be up to a six-month waiting list to get a driver’s licence. I think this is something that doesn’t make a lot of sense.
My question for the Minister of Transportation is: Why is this happening in Yellowknife motor vehicles office?
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. David Ramsay .
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Question 189-17(3): Wait Times For Driver Testing
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Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know there are wait times. The department has been looking at a way to address this.
About 60 percent of all drivers’ examinations in the Northwest Territories are done in Yellowknife and that was by one driver examiner. Recently, the department has centralized the management structure of the transport compliance
section and moved the driver examination program to that area. This has given the department some additional flexibility to deal with the significant demand that we’ve seen in that area.
Staff are working on a plan right now to reduce the waiting times in Yellowknife by training and utilizing highway transport officers to enhance that program, especially during vacations and other issues that may arise. I thank the Member for bringing up that concern.
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Question 189-17(3): Wait Times For Driver Testing
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . I’d like to remind our visitors in the gallery to shut the ringers off on your cell phones. Mr. Dolynny , oral questions.
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Question 189-17(3): Wait Times For Driver Testing
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Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for replying. It sounds like there are some measures that are going to be coming forward to decrease these wait times in Yellowknife.
How are these measures going to be monitored so that we know, as Members, that constituents’ needs are being addressed here for Yellowknife?
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Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
We’ve recognized that; the department’s recognized that. As I’ve
mentioned earlier, we’re taking steps to address that.
In terms of monitoring, I’m an MLA, I’ve got constituents, as well, and the Member’s got constituents and we hear from our constituents whether or not the level of services is up to par. If it’s taking longer than three months to receive a driver’s licence, we’re going to hear about it.
Certainly, we’re paying attention to the issue and we’re taking steps so that the wait times aren’t what they’ve been in the past and they will improve.
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Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
I do appreciate the Minister’s response, I just don’t like using constituents as a means for a testing ground for inadequacies in our programs. I’m hoping the department has their own measures placed inside. Which leads me to another question.
We don’t talk about employment. Sometimes driver’s licences are required for employment. Employers who desperately need drivers sometimes are now in the same boat, where they’ve got to wait three months, potentially, for drivers to come on board for employment.
What is the department doing to address the employment component of employees and employers having to wait now for these three months? Will these measures address this sector?
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Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
Certainly, the department’s heard the concerns and we are going to address those concerns. Especially when it’s a time sensitive thing and it deals with employment, I mean, that’s why we need to ensure that the wait times aren’t what they’ve been.
We are, again, certainly taking the steps to ensure that we are going to improve the wait times when it comes to receiving a driver’s licence and getting the driver examination here in Yellowknife.
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Question 189-17(3): Wait Times For Driver Testing
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .
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Question 189-17(3): Wait Times For Driver Testing
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Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course, we are talking today about issues in the Yellowknife DMV office and there could be potential issues throughout the territory.
Would the Minister come forward to the House and maybe provide a comprehensive review of our services in comparison to what you would expect across Canada? Would the Minister provide that for Regular Members as an overall review?
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Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
I could commit to providing Members with that information. In some of the other communities in the Northwest Territories, the wait times aren’t what we see here, in Yellowknife. Some of the statistics that I have and have provided to the Member, would indicate that they’re not near what they are in Yellowknife. Once we get the information and compile it, we’ll share it with the Members.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 190-17(3): On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about asking the Department of Transportation to move what I would define as simple or regular services to on-line, and certainly give our consumers or constituencies opportunity to do that. If you live in Liard or maybe in another type of small community like that, you have to go to Fort Simpson to do your licence plate renewal for your vehicle. That’s something you could do on-line. If you’re busy in Yellowknife and you don’t have an hour to go sit down just for a quick renewal, you could process it on-line.
My question is such: What’s holding the Department of Transportation from moving forward on an on-line service option that would help our citizens or constituents to do business a little better and more efficiently?
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Question 190-17(3): On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. David Ramsay .
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Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will look at this. It’s an issue and I appreciate the Member bringing it up here in the House today. It’s certainly an issue that the department takes seriously and if there’s a way that we can provide services better to the public, that’s something that we’re interested in doing. If it’s on-line, that is something that we will look at.
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Question 190-17(3): On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
I appreciate the answer from the Minister. In Saskatchewan, to name one, Ontario, to name two, and there are several others, they’re quite aggressive and provide kiosks and public advertisements all over the place saying you could do this type of service.
Quite frankly, what does “we’ll look at it” mean? The general public hears that answer almost the same as maybe yes, maybe no. It doesn’t really have an answer. What does his answer mean by “we’ll look at it”?
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Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
Again I thank the Member for bringing up the question of on-line services provided by DOT. I’m not sure if I wasn’t clear enough, but the answer was yes, we will look at it and we will provide Members with an update as we move forward with plans to provide on-line services.
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Question 190-17(3): On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Quite simply the question really is built around the factors are we going to look at it and see if we can do something this year, is it something that’s on the wish list that someday we’ll talk about it. That’s the type of answer I’m looking for, because constituents are following our
proceedings on-line or ask us in person and will want to know what does “we’ll look at it” mean. We need something a little more specific.
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Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
I committed to the House and to the Member that we will entertain on-line services by the Department of Transportation, and as to a timeline, I will get back to the Member and to the other Members with a timeline on how we’re going to do that.
There is some work that has to be done and we will get to doing that work. I can assure the House that the work will begin and we’ll hopefully have an answer for the Member on an implementation date sooner rather than later. I’d just be guessing here today and I don’t want to do that.
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Question 190-17(3): On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 190-17(3): On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
No, thank you.
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Question 190-17(3): On-Line Services For Drivers’ Licences And Registration Renewal
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this morning I gave an overview in terms of just the initiative on the proposed Wildlife Act changes. My question for follow up is for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources .
Can the Minister comment in terms of the update of the progress of the proposed changes to the Wildlife Act?
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a major gathering planned for the early part of November where the working group members are going to come into town, and hopefully the Aboriginal leaders, to have a discussion amongst themselves, and then with ourselves and myself as Minister and the department officials, to look at the issue of the conferences the Member talked about. We’re hoping, at that point, to come to consensus on the way forward.
We’ve been working, as well, with the stakeholders, the Wildlife Act advisory group, and the feedback they’ve provided us, and we want to be able to respond to the SWAAG, as well, on a go-forward basis. The intent now is to be able to conclude the work and be able to come forward in February to introduce this bill. Thank you.
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
Can the Minister comment on the outcomes of public consultations that were held last spring and summer?
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
The consultation feedback has gone well. The bill has been reviewed and the bill was substantially the same as what was before the House in the last Assembly. The issues that have come up, there have been some technical issues, there have been some issues of processes for ongoing feedback. For example, for groups like the SWAAG. But overall, we’ve concluded all the reviews. The one contentious issue that is really out there is the structure of the conference, and as well, we want to give a full and comprehensive response to the concerns put forward and recommendations put forward by the stakeholders, the Wildlife Act advisory groups.
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
I’d like to thank the Minister for that. There are two major initiatives happening right now. One of them is devolution, of course, and the other one is the proposed changes to the Wildlife Act. They touch on the very core of fundamental treaty rights and Aboriginal title, so I wanted to ask the Minister how will the devolution negotiations affect the proposed Wildlife Act.
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
The Wildlife Act discussions have been going on for well over a decade, into the last century, so I can recollect it all the way back to the 13th Assembly. This will be
done and is being done independent of devolution. Even if there was no devolution, the Wildlife Act would go forward. It’s been identified as a priority by nearly all the Aboriginal governments, by this government, by people in the Northwest Territories as long overdue. They will be compatible at the end of the day. They reaffirm the respect and recognition of Aboriginal rights, both the Wildlife Act and the work being done with devolution. In that regard, there’s clear consistency. But the Wildlife Act is a piece of legislation that this government, this territory has to look at and it’s been intent on getting done now for a long time and stands on its own as a separate initiative.
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What is being done to address the Aboriginal people’s concerns about the new Wildlife Act in terms of its potential effects on treaty rights and Aboriginal title? Mahsi.
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
The Wildlife Act is a unique piece of legislation that has, in fact, been drafted in partnership with the Aboriginal governments. We’ve had the working group members comprised of members from Inuvialuit, Gwich’in, Sahtu, Tlicho, Metis, as well as seats at the table for the Akaitcho and representatives from the Dehcho First Nation, should they choose to attend and when they choose to attend. It has been that collective that has worked to draft the Wildlife Act, a unique process in this country of Canada, a
unique bill that has no equal in this country. We have made tremendous efforts to involve the Aboriginal governments, including the First Nations, and we will continue that commitment. We reflect that practice in a whole host of areas with our discussions on devolution, with our discussions on water, and the Wildlife Act is indicative of that kind of commitment to process as well.
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Question 191-17(3): Proposed New Wildlife Act
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Question 192-17(3): Motor Vehicle Driver Testing
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listened with interest to my colleagues from Yellowknife talking about the wait times for driver testing. I understand that there is urgency sometimes for people to get their driver’s licence, and it is a concern. I’d like to put a little different spin on it.
About 40 years ago next week I was turning 16 and I wanted to get my driver’s licence on my birthday, so I didn’t stay in the small town or go to the city where you had to wait. I went to this other small town where they issued driver testing and driver’s licences. I got my parents to drive me to that town, and I passed my learners and I got my driver’s licence on my 16th birthday.
But, Mr. Speaker, the wait time in Hay River isn’t three months. I understand it’s less than two weeks, so I have a suggestion for people in Yellowknife that maybe they’d like to just take a quick flight over the lake, come down to Hay River. We’ve got a small company there that does driver training. I’m sure they’d give you a quick orientation and you could probably, for a small fee, use their car and take your driver testing.
I’d like to ask the Minister of Transportation : A driver’s licence issued in any community in the Northwest Territories is good anywhere to drive anywhere, I trust? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .
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Question 192-17(3): Motor Vehicle Driver Testing
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Yes, Mr. Speaker. A Northwest Territories driver’s licence issued at any community in the Northwest Territories is good anywhere in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
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Question 192-17(3): Motor Vehicle Driver Testing
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Could the Minister, after the research he did for my colleagues, confirm that the wait time for Hay River is less than two weeks to take a test?
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Question 192-17(3): Motor Vehicle Driver Testing
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
The stats that I’ve received from the department would indicate that wait times in Hay River for a driver’s licence and road test would be one to two weeks. Yes.
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Question 192-17(3): Motor Vehicle Driver Testing
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions today for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation and following up on my Member’s statement and the need for housing in Yellowknife.
The corporation, to its credit, did a shelter policy review within the last year to two years, and the results of that review were a report, and basically, I believe that that report is a plan for the future for the NWT Housing Corporation. I’d like to ask the Minister, relative to the report that came as a result of the shelter policy review, and in light of the need in Yellowknife for both public housing units and transitional housing, how this plan, in particular, addresses the needs for more public housing units in Yellowknife. Thank you.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , Mr. McLeod.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct; there was a report done. One of the recommendations that came out of the report, Yellowknife, I think the biggest issue was affordability, and that’s one of the reasons that the Rent Supplement Program came into play.
There is a need for public housing all across the Northwest Territories; Yellowknife and some of the larger centres because they’re market communities, it’s a little harder to get more public housing in there. We do have 311 public housing units in Yellowknife. I think there are 169 of our own, plus we have some lease units, as we do in most communities. But affordability was one of the major issues, according to the report, as far as Yellowknife goes.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thanks to the Minister for the response. I have to totally agree with him. That’s the point of my statement. Affordability is absolutely an issue. The rental market in Yellowknife is such that people cannot afford to rent in Yellowknife, and we don’t have enough public housing, which would give them some opportunity to lower their rental costs.
I’d like to know from the Minister, in terms of addition of public housing units to communities, I’m sure there’s a priority list. I’d like to know from the Minister where Yellowknife and the addition of public housing units in the city of Yellowknife sit in terms of priorities of adding units to the Housing Corporation stock.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Because of our limited infrastructure budget, we were fortunate. In the last
two years we’ve had a huge investment from the federal government. But we’re back to our original number of $17 million. A lot of it’s for public housing replacement units. I can assure the Member that Yellowknife’s very high on the priority. I believe there are about 61 units that may have been built or started in 2012-13, and my understanding is Yellowknife was probably getting about 23 of these units. In some cases we buy units that we can convert into public housing instead of building. That way we get more value for our dollar.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thanks to the Minister. I appreciate that Yellowknife’s not on the bottom of the list. That’s good to hear.
My other point that I was trying to make, and thus my question to the Minister, has to do with transitional housing and the need for transitional housing here. I’d like to know where that sits in terms of the shelter policy review and the report that came from that. Thank you.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
We’ve heard the argument on a number of occasions about Yellowknife being a magnet community. We do have a lot of folks from outside come into Yellowknife. Yellowknife is very fortunate. They have some very good groups here in town that work on these situations. As far as their transitional housing goes, I think they’re in better shape than all of the 32 communities across the Northwest Territories. We just made a sizable contribution to Betty House and we do help with Rockhill with an in-kind donation, plus some money to help with utilities and that.
As far as the rest of the Northwest Territories goes, Yellowknife is in very good shape. It could be improved all across the Northwest Territories, not only the capital. Thank you.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am really glad the Minister recognizes that there’s room for improvement. I have to say to the Minister that he may consider Yellowknife to be in good shape, but to have 150 or more people on a waiting list for transition housing is not good shape, in my mind.
Members are often asking Ministers to visit their community and talk to people. I’d like to know from the Minister if he’d be willing to sit down with our local authorities, non-government organizations, who do provide transition housing, and talk to them and work with them for solutions. Thank you.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
I would be glad to visit the Member’s constituency and talk to some of the NGOs there, as I would extend that invitation to all Members here, because it helps us as a corporation to do our job better with some planning, so we can hear from folks out in the communities who have to deal with some of the situations they find themselves in. I will commit to the Member, if
we can line up a meeting, I’d be happy to attend. Thank you.
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Question 193-17(3): Public And Transitional Housing In Yellowknife
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .
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Question 194-17(3): Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement earlier today and follow up with the Minister responsible for climate change. I assume that would be the Minister of Environment .
According to a number of statements made by the Premier and the Finance Minister the last couple of days, we have a strong commitment in addressing greenhouse gas emissions and climate change. Using only a partial look at the Department of Transportation costs, they are obviously significant. Yet, commitments to reducing emissions are that we are going to allow a 66 percent increase. Greenhouse gas intensive development activities are beginning to climb once again. We know about the oil play in the Sahtu and so on, despite recent gains due to the recession.
In the face of this, I’d like to ask is the Minister prepared to set more ambitious targets for all of the NWT and GNWT, for that matter, and the means to actually lead the charge in reducing climate change now.
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Question 194-17(3): Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Question 194-17(3): Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
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Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a complex issue, as the Members know. Late in the last government, we passed a revised and revamped Greenhouse Gas Strategy that set new targets. There’s built-in review periods built into that strategy that we will look at as we go forward. We also know, for example, that one of the planned projects has been deferred further, which is going to contribute to greenhouse gases, which is the Mackenzie Gas Pipeline. So while it’s still a critical project, it’s not imminent on the horizon.
At the same time as we talk about standards, we have to look at the tens of millions of dollars we’re investing at limiting our emissions. Things like the Biomass Strategy, the work we’ve done on solar, the expansion of hydro, the building standards, the Capital Asset Retrofit Program with the government, the rebate programs, the money we’ve invested to help people make their houses energy efficient and putting in more energy-efficient appliances.
So there are two things to do here. We can set standards and then we can actually get on the ground and do the right things, which is where the most immediate benefit is. We are already paying the highest prices for energy in the country.
When you look at companies like Diavik, they are investing about $33 million in wind energy that’s going to repay itself in five years. They deserve full commendation for that commitment. It’s those types of things that we are doing in addition for the setting of standards with the renewal of the Greenhouse Gas Strategy late in the 16th Assembly. Thank you.
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thanks to the Minister for those remarks. The Minister certainly is dead on there. We are doing lots of things. I think we are one of the most progressive jurisdictions.
Of course, we also have some of the greatest costs. I appreciate the Department of Transportation’s frankness in responding to some of my questions about what those costs are, recognizing that those are only partial costs if they are conservative, admittedly conservative costs, that they ignore the costs to the public and so on and that those costs are accelerating year to year.
I want to talk a little bit about the context. This was only one department, $6.5 million. Clearly, it’s worth comparing the net fiscal benefits of devolution, for example, estimated recently by the Premier to be $60 million. So I anticipate that with these sorts of information, we are going to erode all of those fiscal benefits through the impacts of climate change. That’s an important context to have.
The Minister of Environment brings climate change concerns to the table. Can he assure us that the obvious need for greenhouse gas reductions will be a key consideration in the environmental reviews that we have before us, for example, for the Inuvik-Tuk highway and so on? Mahsi.
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Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
It’s not a future tense, but that issue has been driving us, as the Member said. We are dealing with it; we are adapting to this on an ongoing basis. There are things happening that are the new reality. There is endangered species, there are the fire seasons that are increasing in addition to all the things that Transportation has talked about. That reality is there and we are making and are committed to managing our greenhouse gas emissions.
We have to keep in mind that we live in a cold climate. We are carbon-intensive users and we do have some of the highest prices for energy right now and we have to manage all that. I think we’re doing that and the demonstration of the practical application of our commitment, I think, is where the rubber hits the road, if I may use that term, in all the things I listed in my previous answer. Thank you.
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thanks for the remarks from the Minister, although I would say he’s clearly wrong. We are not managing emissions of anybody but ourselves, the GNWT, and yet we have the authority to do that. That’s exactly the point I am talking about.
The Minister did outline the many costs; for example, residents who experience the startling pace of land slides, erosion into streams affecting fish populations, contaminant loads, damages to homes, shorelines moving communities such as your own, Mr. Speaker, and so on. We need to know what we’re dealing with here to provide this context.
Will the Minister collect across-government data needed, and direct and indirect financial costs of climate change across our government operations, and to estimate the costs inflicted on our public and report his conclusions to the House? Mahsi.
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Question 194-17(3): Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
I would suggest that the budget that we bring before the House and its component pieces with the various departments and the $1.5 billion we do have captures what money we have available to deal with the pressures. We have identified, for example, in terms of infrastructure, we have about a $3 billion infrastructure debt that we build up for various reasons. A lot of that is going to be to deal with some of the issues that are tied directly to climate change.
There’s a clear line relationship. We have $1.5 billion in the government to manage. We know that there are things that we could easily spend that money on and more, just on infrastructure, let alone all the program needs. I think that is the litmus test. That is where you capture the money.
We could say and we could build or pull together projections and say we need $10 billion if we wanted to put solar in every community and we want to expand all the hydro, we wanted to do all the other work that needs to be done in Inuvik with the gas, and Norman Wells with their situation. Is that attributable to climate change and is that a place where we want to spend all of our time and energy arguing over that, or do we want to actually stay focused on the ground in terms of limiting our emissions and the practical application of all the programs we’ve put in place over the last number of years? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .
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Question 194-17(3): Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I didn’t hear a response to my question for a commitment to estimate the costs to government and the public. I’d still like that commitment. We clearly need to recognize our situation.
I’d like to know, in recognizing that the federal government has abandoned Kyoto and so on, can the Minister tell us what efforts he is making in partnership with other provincial, territorial and Aboriginal governments to push forward combined subnational efforts and I’d also like that commitment. Mahsi.
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Question 194-17(3): Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Environment and Natural Resources
Thank you. I recently returned from a meeting of the Environment Ministers and over supper we were talking about whatever success Canada has in terms of managing their emissions. My observation, which was agreed to by all the folks around the table, was that the federal government in fact has benefitted from the work of the subnational provinces, territories, states, and the Northwest Territories is a perfect example.
We’ve spent tens of millions of dollars; we’re doing ground-breaking work on things related to biomass, alternative fuels like biomass, its application across the land, the use of our own existing energy sources like hydro for things like electricity and for power and for heat, what we want to do with helping the private sector on wind. We are going to be taking care of our own business and that’s where it has to be done.
That was recognized in Copenhagen, as well, that the work that’s going to be done on climate change, greenhouse gas emission control, it’s going to be done at that level, because the national governments cannot get organized enough to in fact make the decisions necessary. So we are committed to that, and the Member has been in this Assembly long enough to see all the work that we’ve done and the fruits of those labours. Thank you.
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Question 194-17(3): Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Climate Change Impact Costs
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to have to talk about Highway No. 7 in my question. I notice that the Department of ITI just recently released preliminary tourism reports about how well the parks have done this year. I was wondering if the Minister of Transportation has some preliminary numbers for tourists that travelled down Highway No. 7 and toward the Blackstone Park. Thank you.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t have the exact figures with me, but I’d be more than happy to provide those to the Member when I do get them. Thank you.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you very much. I just wanted to make the point that it was exceptionally dry this year and the highway was in good shape. I’m pretty sure that the tourism numbers are up on Highway No. 7. I just want to make the point that with continued effort and working on Highway No. 7 with reconstruction, we can continue to have a good highway system with Highway No. 7.
I’d like to ask the Minister if he can give me those tourism numbers as well as a commitment about some kind of strategy to advise tourists about Highway No. 7. Thank you.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
I thank the Member for bringing up Highway No. 7 again today and I also thank him for earlier this summer the trip we had between Liard and Simpson on Highway No. 7. Certainly, it was a dry year and all indications are that travel on that road by tourists was up. Again, I’ve committed to get the member some figures on the numbers and I will do that.
But certainly, we have to ensure that there’s a long-term plan for Highway No. 7 and I believe that there is. We need to look at some capital dollars going forward for the maintenance and rehabilitation of that road and I’ve mentioned it before in the House. It’s in the magnitude of $250 million. That is what would be required to totally rehabilitate the road. Obviously, we don’t have $250 million today, but what we can do is come up with a plan to maintain and rehabilitate what we can over the next 10 years or so and we plan on doing that. Thank you.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you very much. The Minister spoke about a long-term strategy. I’d certainly like to see any of that preliminary work that he has, if he has any. Thank you.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Again, I will provide the detail to the Member, but we also recently signed an MOU with Canadian Zinc and the Prairie Creek Mine on how industry and the government can work together on improvements to Highway No. 7 and the Nahanni access road, and that’s certainly something we also look forward to completing as well. I think that’s an important step forward, too, as we realize some resource development and some jobs and some opportunities in the Deh Cho and the Nahendeh riding. So we’ve got some things in front of that that look very, very good and we intend to keep moving forward with Highway No. 7, its maintenance, its rehabilitation and the future of that road. Thank you.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I think part of the strategy, of course, is to include Highway No. 7 in the Tourism Strategy, if the Minister can also work toward that. Mahsi.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
It is there, it has been there in the past with the Deh Cho Connection, the Deh Cho Trail. Certainly, it is part of our highway system here in the Northwest Territories. We have some beautiful parks located on there and some beautiful communities as well. So, certainly, that is part of the Tourism Strategy as we move forward. Thank you.
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Question 195-17(3): Highway No. 7
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m just going to follow up to my Member’s statement that I made earlier today in terms of treatment centres. I had mentioned all the infrastructure and services that are in the capital of Yellowknife here, and all of those groups do a lot of really good work for the Northwest Territories and people that do come into Yellowknife. My question for the Minister is for the Minister of Health today.
Can the Minister provide me with a list of any infrastructure, if any at all, in the 32 other communities outside of Yellowknife that do provide treatment for addictions? Can he provide me with that infrastructure? Thank you.
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I would be able to provide that information for the Member. Thank you.
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Yes, specifically, can the Minister let this government know of any other programs, specific programs outside of Yellowknife that are being offered in any of the other communities, the regional centres and the small communities, specific programs that he can let us know today in the House that are going on in the 32 communities outside of Yellowknife that deal with addictions and treatment? Thank you.
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
We have a treatment facility on the Hay River Reserve, Nats’ejee K’eh. The department spends about $2 million annually on that facility to run it. Including Yellowknife, there is a counselling program, a community counselling program where we have $6 million. Then we have the on-the-land programs, which their allocation is approximately $25,000 per community. So off the top of my head, those are the programs that are available today. There is no other infrastructure outside of Nats’ejee K’eh that’s available for residential treatment. Thank you.
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Under our priorities for the 17th Legislative Assembly, one of our priorities is to enhance addiction treatment programs using existing infrastructure. Can the Minister inform us if his department has gone out throughout the Northwest Territories and identified any existing infrastructure that can be used for treatment programs throughout the Northwest Territories outside of Nats’ejee K’eh and any new infrastructure that he’s recognized.
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
The department has not identified specific infrastructure that could be used for residential treatment; however, it is one of the mandates of the Minister’s Forum on Addictions to
look at as they travel from community to community having meetings with the communities. One of their other mandates is to determine what type of treatment would be required in which location, and once they’ve made that recommendation to the department, the department will look at trying to match the infrastructure that exists in those locations.
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Mr. Moses .
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I heard is there is this group that’s going throughout the Northwest Territories and their mandate is to identify infrastructures. So if they’ve already travelled to some of the communities, I don’t see why we wouldn’t have some infrastructure on the list already.
In terms of the priorities that we do have, enhancing addictions treatment programs using existing infrastructure, when can we start to see this taking place, as we’ve already completed one full year of this Assembly? When can we start to see this taking place and a timeline in getting this addressed, as it is a big priority in the Northwest Territories and our big cost-driver in Health and Social Services?
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
As the Member is aware, we essentially started the new budget three months into this fiscal year. Within that budget is where we are funding this forum. The forum has not travelled yet. Their first function will be to come together in one central location. From then on they will travel to two or possibly as many as four communities in each region, the four different forums, and they will come back together with their recommendations. Once they come with their recommendations, we will be matching what is needed.
In addition to that, we are reviewing the one residential treatment centre that we do have for its effectiveness and how well it fits into what is needed as far as residential treatment goes.
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Question 196-17(3): Addiction Treatment Centres Outside The Capital
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Question 197-17(3): Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to the most recent set of questions here, in three years’ time a new hospital will go on stream in Hay River. The old hospital is being replaced. For different types of facilities there are all different kinds of building codes and building requirements. We know secure facilities have a certain code, hospital facilities have a certain building code they have to adhere to, and they cost different amounts of money. We will be using the
Hay River hospital up until the day that we move everything over to the new hospital.
The day after, I find it interesting if this government would consider that hospital ready for the wrecking ball. We are desperate for infrastructure in this territory for different things. I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if he would begin a process now to begin to think about the Hay River hospital, which has just received the top accreditation you can receive for a hospital, would he begin some process of assessing that hospital to see if that facility would be suitable as a residential treatment or treatment centre of any kind in the future.
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Question 197-17(3): Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Question 197-17(3): Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
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Tom Beaulieu
Minister of Health and Social Services
When you replace a facility like a hospital, one of the main reasons for replacing a facility is not for what you see physically, it’s for how the building functions and how the building operates. The guts of the building are what get outdated and have to change. That in the H.H. Williams Hospital has gone beyond its date of good economic use. That is one factor. However, we would be prepared to take a look at using portions of that building if we thought that a treatment facility located in Hay River was the best value for our money.
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Question 197-17(3): Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
The current Hay River hospital was built in two stages. There’s a much older wing and then there is a much newer part, which was very modern and cutting edge in its time when I think we cut the ribbon in 1975. I would like us to examine all possibilities for how we as a government could not retire that infrastructure but somehow re-profile it and put it and keep it in service for something. I would like to ask the Minister if he could confirm that – I know what he’s saying about the mechanical and all that – that the code for construction or utilization for a hospital would be different than it would be for a treatment centre.
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Question 197-17(3): Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
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Tom Beaulieu
Minister of Health and Social Services
Yes, the codes are much different. In a hospital we have to have different types of air exchanges. For example, I find out that if you have an operating room, you have to exchange air 20 times an hour. So you don’t need to have that type of air exchange in a treatment facility, of course. So, much different.
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Question 197-17(3): Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Would it be the Department of Health and Social Services that would, perhaps, review options for putting this facility into service in some capacity, or would it be the Department of Public Works and Services who acts as a central agency for the different client departments? Would it be the work of PWS to begin to do this assessment or would it be the work of Health and Social Services?
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Question 197-17(3): Use Of Current Hay River Hospital As Drug Treatment Centre
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Tu Nedhe
Tom Beaulieu
Minister of Health and Social Services
I understand that in order to continue to use a facility that may have reached the end of it