Debates of Feb. 21st, 2011

This is page numbers 5979 - 6032 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 112-16(5): Minister Absent From The House

Local And Territorial Learning Fairs

Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Tamerlane Ventures Inc. And Pine Point Mining Project

Public Housing Rent Scales

GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

Gender-Based Analysis Policy

Yellowknife Regional Learning Fair

NWT Water Protection Strategy

Public Housing Rent Scale

Gender-Based Analysis

Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

NWT Water Protection Strategy

Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

Proposed New Wildlife Act

GNWT Public Consultation Processes

GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

Investigation Of Awarding Of Housing Contracts In Inuvik Region

Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

Mackenzie Valley Highway

Negotiated Contracts Guidelines And Reporting

Tabled Document 144-16(5): Letter From Mayor Of Tuktoyaktuk In Support Of Joe Greenland Centre

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Minister’s Statement 112-16(5): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Jackson Lafferty will be absent from the House today, tomorrow and Wednesday to attend the federal/provincial/territorial Education Ministers meeting in Toronto. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 112-16(5): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Local And Territorial Learning Fairs

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you know, this week is NWT Education Week here in the Northwest Territories. It’s a great opportunity for us to recognize and highlight all the hard work that is being done by teachers, mentors and volunteers in the support of our children throughout the Northwest Territories. To that end, I’d like to talk a little bit about the recent Yellowknife and territorial learning fairs that have been held throughout the Northwest Territories over the last couple of months.

On February 11, 2011, I had the honour of judging at the Yellowknife Learning Fair which was held here at Mildred Hall School. I was blown away at the high quality of projects being presented, both from an historical and a science perspective. There were historical projects on a wide range of topics including Francois Paulette and Richard Van Camp, historical events such as The Lost Patrol and Vimy

Ridge, historical places such as The Wildlife Cafe and the CANOL Trail.

In addition, there was also a wide variety of science experiments ranging from the lifecycles of icebergs to the effects of oil spills on animals and birds. All of the projects were exceptional, Mr. Speaker.

This past weekend the award winning presentations at the community level came together in Yellowknife for the territorial competition. Although not a judge, I did go see a number of presentations and had an opportunity to talk to a lot of students. Once again, the projects were all excellent. Everyone I talked to about the projects and the event were thrilled by the experience. Students participating in these events should be very, very proud of all of their hard work and accomplishments. Their hard work does not go unnoticed, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, children are our future. Events like these help them build knowledge, skills and abilities that help them succeed throughout their lives. I would like to take this opportunity to applaud all of the teachers, mentors and volunteers who have helped make events like the local and territorial learning fairs possible. Their dedication and contributions are key to the success of these types of events and to our students and the development of children throughout the Northwest Territories.

So thank you very much to each and every one of you. Your contributions are appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Local And Territorial Learning Fairs

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We need to establish territory-wide building standards to meet the cost and climate changes of today. Currently, this government builds to a standard 25 percent better than the national model building codes. The GNWT’s Good Building Practices for Northern Facilities 2009 guidebook establishes this standard as a condition of RFP for all territorial government construction.

Under its municipal authority, the City of Yellowknife has set similar high energy-efficiency standards. That’s the extent of mandatory energy efficiency standards in the NWT. Outside Yellowknife, all private construction and municipal facilities built with territorial money must meet only the lower national standard, a lot lower. There is no legal requirement to do better.

We could wait for each municipality to expensively enact their own local legislation, or this government could establish a single territorial standard under which all will benefit. That’s what they’ve done in the Yukon. Under that territory’s 2002 Building Standards Act, government has the authority to replace or modify the requirements of the National Building Code and require higher standards more suited to our northern realities.

Governments can lead change with a mixture of incentives and requirements. We missed the opportunity to do this under the New Deal when every community was provided with infrastructure dollars and gas tax funds and had to develop energy plans but no standards were required. With regulation and the right support, it is in the public interest to reduce costs and climate impacts while helping protect citizens and communities from oil’s inevitable price climb.

We’ve put our own house in order, now it’s time to make sure all NWT buildings follow our lead. At a minimum this must be a proposed and evaluated tool in our Greenhouse Gas Reduction Strategy. The Minister of MACA has repeatedly been on record as being willing to let communities and private enterprises continue to build low-efficiency infrastructure and have the public bear the costs.

I will be asking the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources what actions his department has taken to assess and move to adopt this common-sense tool in the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Strategy being developed.

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Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking today on the devolution agreement-in-principle, specifically on the way in which it was signed by the Premier and the INAC Minister. I raised this at the start of this session.

Although the Premier points out that the AIP has been years in the making, from the perspective of the Dehcho leadership, the signing of the AIP was still done too quickly and without adequate consultation. The Dehcho and other Dene leaders feel it is the great big giveaway by the feds and a great big land grab by the GNWT.

Leaderships do not feel that their concerns were heard or acted upon. “With or without you” is the message that the Dene people are getting from the Premier and the INAC Minister. This is not a good message to send when supposedly building partnerships.

As a Regular Member I am frustrated because I am outside the process. I’ve never had the opportunity to vote on the AIP itself or publicly debate it. The Premier needed Cabinet’s approval to sign the AIP but did not need the approval of this Assembly or Regular Members. In fact, this Assembly will not be asked to vote on devolution until implementation legislation comes forward and that will be years from now, when the deal is essentially done.

It is a shame we are not in position today to celebrate together a milestone of transferring powers to the North and to focus our energies on the details of the AIP and our mandates for negotiating the final agreement, because there is a lot in there that we should be paying attention to. Instead, because of the Premier ’s and INAC Minister’s actions and high-handedness in dealing with Dene leaders, the debate we have to focus on today is about the process in which the AIP was signed and how we can possibly work together with the broken trust and bad feelings that have been created.

National Chief of the Dene Nation Bill Erasmus said in today’s News/North: “The GNWT and Canada must engage the Dene in a process that promises to build relationships, instead of creating tension and distrust.”

We owe it to all Northerners to work hard in creating a North with all Northerners. There must be a solution other than using the stick-and-carrot approach.

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Tamerlane Ventures Inc. And Pine Point Mining Project

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tamerlane Ventures Inc. is an exploration and development mining company with advanced base metal development projects in Canada and Peru. The company is working towards bringing the world-class lead-zinc Pine Point property back into production in the Northwest Territories.

The company’s primary focus is the Pine Point project consisting of the Pine Point mine, which was the largest and most profitable base metal mine in Canadian history. The Pine Point project hosts over five billion pounds of lead and zinc in the ground and Tamerlane Ventures believes it will once again become one of Canada’s great mines.

Mr. Speaker, as with any project like this, there are many issues around timing and prices of commodities, and Tamerlane believes at this time the things are aligned, these different necessities are aligned and it is time to move on with this project. Just recently Tamerlane said that they have had some good news in their search for financing for their project and are in the process of signing proposals at this time and there will be further details coming about this in the next few weeks.

Mr. Speaker, for Hay River, this is good news. Tamerlane believes that with the effective implementation of the company’s HR management program and the assistance of government agencies, this project could generate a considerable number of employment and training opportunities for residents in the South Slave region. During the construction phase, up to 65 positions will be available. During the mining operation of the company, up to 227 positions will be available.

Some of the specific training and employment opportunities would be construction equipment operation and maintenance, mining equipment operation and maintenance, administration positions, safety systems workers, first aid and emergency response teams and many other related jobs.

Mr. Speaker, as I said, there are always hurdles and obstacles for a project of this nature. One that has been discussed and we’ve heard some about is the cost of power in the Northwest Territories to operate their facility. I believe that there has been discussion that has gone on between the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment and Tamerlane on the issue of the cost of power.

Mr. Speaker, I’m here today to sound the alarm. Hay River needs something and we need something soon. If there’s any way that this government can do something to help see this project come to fruition and support it in a similar way they did for diamond secondary processing for Yellowknife, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Tamerlane Ventures Inc. And Pine Point Mining Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Public Housing Rent Scales

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to talk about the public housing rent scale. Mr. Speaker, the current rent scale used by the NWT Housing Corporation in the administration of public housing does not work for the tenants in smaller communities. Mr. Speaker, as I’ve said many times in the past, communities in Tu Nedhe have employment rates

well below 40 percent and nothing should serve as a deterrent to work. As it stands now, the rent scale is a major deterrent for people who wish to work.

Mr. Speaker, if a person in public housing gets a job, up to 30 percent of their gross income can be charged as rent. Therefore, a working person sees very little benefit from the work. Income tax takes 25 percent and in some cases child care expenses could be as much as $50 a day, but even at $30 a day it would cost the working person $300 biweekly. Mr. Speaker, depending on the nature of the job, there could be employment related costs such as specialized clothing.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation must establish a maximum rent in small, non-market communities that have employment rates with percentages in the thirties and forties. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation can establish maximum rents in Lutselk'e and Fort Resolution of around $600 or $700 and this will ensure that people remain at work. Mr. Speaker, if the rent maxes out at $600 or $700 instead of $1,800, more people will remain at work and pay $600 or $700; versus being charged $1,800, they quit their jobs and go back to paying $32 a month and drawing income support.

Mr. Speaker, if this works for 10 percent of the public housing tenants, it will bring about $1.5 million into the administration of the public housing and it will save around $2.5 million in income support payments. Mr. Speaker, if the Housing Corporation puts this policy in place, it will improve the government’s overall fiscal position by about $4 million per year.

Mr. Speaker, this type of policy change is needed to accommodate any sort of policy designed to increase employment in smaller communities.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Public Housing Rent Scales

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Without this policy, people in public housing cannot afford to work. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Housing today. Thank you.

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Public Housing Rent Scales

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Similar to my other colleagues in the House today, I think we have to realize that our economies are not the same with larger centres and regional centres, more importantly, looking at the social and economic situation we find ourselves especially in a

lot of our rural communities where unemployment is surpassing 40 percent and almost 45 percent in some cases. But, Mr.

Speaker, this government has to realistically look at its preferential policies, procedures and do whatever we can to stimulate our local economies such as the contracts for housing or government service contracts with Public Works and Services, more importantly ensuring that we try to sustain a local economy by providing those programs and services and stimulating by government policies and procedures especially in areas such as sole source or negotiating contracts with local tenders for local contractors to be tendered locally.

I just saw in the paper in regards to an enterprise in Hay River where the contractor positions for government employees are within a 50-kilometre radius for those jobs that are being offered. That is the type of stuff we have to look at to ensure that the capital expenditures in our communities remain in our communities and stimulate the local economies.

Mr. Speaker, we have a major downturn in the economic area regardless if it is oil and gas, tourism or, in most cases, not really seeing the benefit of the large projects we see in the larger centres which we depend on these seasonal economies to stimulate the economies of a lot of our communities in which people depend on that work as part of their livelihood instead of income support where we are bringing in some $500 a month to a tune of $7,000 a year. Mr. Speaker, but that is reality. Our people in our communities are having to depend on income support as the means of sustaining themselves.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking questions to the Minister of the Housing Corporation why it is that he has not supported any negotiated contracts in the Mackenzie Delta since he has become Minister. Thank you.

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GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Gender-Based Analysis Policy

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk about gender-based analysis. Promoting the equality of men and women in our society and government is a good thing. Our current Premier has promised policy action on this particular matter. A number of my constituents were initially very excited about the news that this government was going to do something, but yet actions seem to have fizzled.

We all know that the GNWT policy Equality of Men and Women in the NWT is 23 years old, Mr. Speaker. Recommendations to update it were promised by this Premier back in 2009 and 2010 budget fiscal years. The Premier promised a

position paper by the end of 2009 on using gender-based analysis in this particular government. To my knowledge, as of today we still have not seen that commitment fulfilled.

I fast forward to today, Mr. Speaker, more than a year and a half later. As I understand it, Cabinet has apparently received recommendations for updating the equality policy, but Members and the public have yet to see some of these recommendations. I will say I am glad to hear the government has started training for particular employees on gender-based analysis. However, have we required management to take this particular training? Has the government done any work to identify key staff and key positions who will be proficient and certainly need the training of gender-based analysis?

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if we are using tools on gender-based analysis to improve policy, programs and services we offer through our government. As I understand it, very few men are taking gender analysis training, Mr. Speaker. For a fact, from my research, three out of 44 were men so far, including, of course, the advanced course that is offered here in March. Mr. Speaker, what is interesting about this is that is less than 7 percent of the participants that are taking gender-based analysis training.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that everyone can learn a lot from this particular program. Interest may be waning, I wonder, by the government on this particular case. Six courses were offered in 2010 and one was cancelled. Mr. Speaker, again, this is causing me to raise some concern on this specific training that I believe is needed. Sadly, in 2011, four courses were offered in January and February and all were cancelled due to low enrolment. Mr. Speaker, I am just worried that the government may be losing its enthusiasm and this policy may be quietly leaving the back door of the Assembly.

I want to make sure that this is highlighted properly and I want to be clear: is the government committed to this policy and how are they making sure it works?

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Premier later today on what he is doing to make sure that this policy doesn’t get swept under the carpet and we are promoting it further. Thank you.

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Gender-Based Analysis Policy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Yellowknife Regional Learning Fair

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you’ve already heard, today is the beginning of Education Week so I’m going to tell an education story. For two years in a row now I’ve been privileged to be a judge at the Yellowknife Regional Learning Fair.

Two Fridays ago I was at Mildred Hall School hard at work doing just that. The Yellowknife Regional Learning Fair was a gathering of students ranging from grade 4 to grade 8. Each of the students at the regional fair was a winner in their own right from the learning fair competition held at their own school, and now they were competing for the regional title in either science or heritage.

It was an invigorating, exciting and fun day for me. I was thoroughly impressed by all the projects and especially those I was privileged to judge. The students represented all of Yellowknife Education District No. 1 K to 8 schools and Weledeh School from the Yellowknife Catholic Schools district. The kids were excited, they were nervous, they were proud. Their enthusiasm for the project that they had produced was evident and it was infectious. We have extremely smart kids in our schools, Mr. Speaker. They are articulate and knowledgeable, and pleasant and courteous to boot.

The Yellowknife Regional Historical Fair winners competed again this past week in the first ever Pan-Territorial Historical Fair. That competition had 30 students from across the NWT and, for the first time, 10 students from each of the Yukon and Nunavut presenting their projects for judging.

I want to congratulate everyone involved in all the learning fairs, and there’s many to mention. Organizing and producing a fair at any level is a big project and it takes a lot of work. My thanks and congratulations go to the teachers at each student’s school, they’re the ones who get the kids started; to each school’s learning fair organizing team, they make sure that each school has their own competition.

Thanks also to the school which hosted the regional competition, in this case Mildred Hall School, which put up with the disruption of students, parents and judges coming and going all day long, and to the team of educators who organized the territorial competition. It was held at the Prince of Wales Heritage Centre and they put on a great show. Last, but not least, thanks to the parents of the participants for the assistance and guidance they provided to the students as the project progressed from an idea to a finished product.

Mr. Speaker, did I forget the students? I did. Congratulations must go to each and every student who participated in a learning fair, no matter what level it was. You all did a marvellous job.

Mr. Speaker, to everyone involved in education in the NWT, I want to quote the NWT Teachers’ Association slogan, “Thank you for making a difference.”

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Yellowknife Regional Learning Fair

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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NWT Water Protection Strategy

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Clean, fresh water is the Northwest Territories most precious resource. It supports all of life. We have lots of water, Mr. Speaker, and it’s the defining future of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, we must protect our water from the upstream pollution and the polluters. Mr. Speaker, the operations in the Alberta tar sands are poisoning our water. In the last four years the amount of arsenic, mercury, lead and other toxins have increased by 26 percent in the tailings ponds that are located in our watershed. The tar sands also create air pollution that poisons the earth through rain and snow.

Mr. Speaker, we are in great danger. For example, the people in the North have noticed changes in the fish. Their flesh is soft and their livers are black. Mr. Speaker, there is something wrong with the water. We cannot wait and sit idle.

Mr. Speaker, a member of the new panel at the Alberta government appointed to monitor the environmental effects of the tar sands has resigned because she felt there was a lack of integrity. There was not enough Aboriginal or scientific representation on the panel. Mr. Speaker, the 16

Legislative Assembly is spending close to $6 million to protect our territorial waters. We need aggressive transboundary negotiations. We need cumulative impact monitoring and water monitoring throughout the Northwest Territories. We need to make sure our own industry isn’t further destroying the environment.

Mr. Speaker, long ago people built fortresses to protect their territory. They patrolled their land and sharpened their weapons. Mr. Speaker, the world doesn’t work like that anymore. Instead we make laws and negotiate agreements. Our Water Strategy needs to be our fortress.

We need water monitoring to patrol our land. We need tough laws and tough negotiators. We need to stand up and say “no more” to dumping garbage into our waters. We need to protect our waters and we need to do it now.

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NWT Water Protection Strategy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today in my Member’s statement I spoke of the public

housing rent scale in non-market communities acting as a bit of a deterrent for people working. I have some questions for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation . Does the Minister agree that public housing rent scale is different between market communities and non-market communities?

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is obviously a difference and we all realize that between all the communities in the Northwest Territories as to how the rent is calculated. Having said that, I do agree with the Member that there is a difference in the amount of the rent scale.

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Just to add a little to that, I was looking for more of an amount. Not a specific amount, but does the Minister agree that the average public housing paid, average rent paid for public housing in market communities is higher than the non-market communities?

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

There are many things taken into consideration when they calculate the rent scale and a lot of things are factored into coming up with the amount of rent that the folks pay in the communities. I do know that there is a bit of a discrepancy at the regional level. That’s one of the reasons the Housing Corporation is entertaining the idea of going to a regional rent scale. That would benefit some of the smaller communities that are maybe a few minutes away from some of the larger communities and the rent calculated in those communities is quite different.

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I’d like to ask the Minister if there’s a policy that prevents the Minister from establishing maximum rents and replacing economic rents with maximum rents in non-market communities.

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

That’s one of the things we are looking at doing, is a rent scale review. We’ve tied it in with the Shelter Policy review because we feel that this is one that will be a way forward document for the NWT Housing Corporation.

We’ve heard many suggestions from Members, we’ve heard many suggestions from members of the public and all the general assemblies that we go to as to how we should calculate rent. I can assure the Member and all Members that we’ll look at any way possible to try and be fair and just be sure that all tenants from across the Northwest Territories are treated the same and treated fairly.

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s good news. Will the Minister direct his staff to look

at this very specific point, and that very specific point is that non-market communities use economic rents? Economic rents are established to recover costs. People never pay that, because there’s no work. Will the Minister direct his staff to look at the feasibility of establishing a maximum rent for all non-market communities?

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We are in the process of reviewing the way we deliver public housing and the way we calculate rents and that. I can assure the Member that this is one that we will continue to have a look at.

When we talk about the maximum rent, there is a maximum rent. There is the economic rent and very few people in the Northwest Territories pay the full economic rent, as the Member points out, because of the lack of work. Even those that are working, very few pay maximum rent. I think we have maybe 12 across the Northwest Territories out of 2,400 units that we deliver. I think that’s a pretty good percentage. We do what we can to ensure that all tenants of the NWT Housing Corporation and public housing portfolio are treated the same.

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Question 493-16(5): Public Housing Rent Scale

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about gender-based analysis and highlighted that there is some training going on there, but I’m still looking to see some policy update, as are a number of my constituents and the public waiting to see that. My question to the Premier would be: when can Members of this House and the public see the updates to the 1998 equity policy in the form of the gender-based analysis?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The work that we’ve done around the gender basis issue has been one that, as the Member has pointed out, doing some workshops and training amongst our staff within the Government of the Northwest Territories to make everyone more aware as we look at the work we do and how it influences decision-making.

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

When can Members see a copy of that particular policy and initiative that I’ve referred to, which is the gender-based analysis? When can the public get a chance to have a look at it and see it implemented into government policy?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Again, the work that we’ve done has been more about the training, getting it through to our staff with the help of other departments like the Department of Human

Resources to help us in the training and getting the knowledge out there. I’d have to get back to the department to see if in fact I will be able to have a policy to bring back to the Members.

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The Minister had mentioned workshops. I’m very curious if the Minister -- sorry, in this particular case the Premier -- has the Premier on this particular subject had people identify certain positions, whether they’re in policy or programming, that should take gender-based analysis? To reflect that, as I understand it, the courses or workshops have been cancelled going forward. Is this initiative stalled, or been stopped completely?

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We do have staff throughout a number of departments, Executive, we do have people who share the workload and help us in dealing with the issue of gender-based analysis.

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the answers from the Premier and I’m just trying to get a sense of whether this particular initiative has stalled with all the training cancelled going forward. What is the Premier doing to ensure that the training gets back up and running and we can see some actual results in our territorial programming?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

I don’t believe it’s stalled.

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Question 494-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 495-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Premier with some questions related to my Member’s statement. I know the AIP agreement on devolution, there are some firm agreements in place, but I think without getting on board, there is still some distrust by Aboriginal organizations. They do want to review it but they cannot get access to the resources to assist them unless they actually sign on board. Has the Premier or Cabinet discussed this and what is the best way to address their concerns?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of the agreement-in-principle and trying to get the information out on top of the years of discussions around the negotiation of the agreement-in-principle piece we’ve looked at and sent letters out to the regional leadership and invited them to contact us to go over the agreement-in-principle and the issues they may

have out of that and look at sharing in the funding of those meetings.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

The Premier can correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought funding and resources available for discussions with devolution was tied to actually signing on board with the GNWT with regard to the agreement-in-principle.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

There are two pots of funding that start to flow upon signing of the agreement-in-principle. That is tied specifically to some of the work that would be prepared as groups prepare for negotiations, mandates and so on, to do the background work. The work we’re talking about doing is looking at the agreement-in-principle itself, to give the leadership and community members a better idea of just what the agreement-in-principle is. Of course, to share in the funding that’s available to Aboriginal groups, they need to sign on and that would allow the federal government to sit with them to then begin flowing those dollars.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I think the Aboriginal groups are looking at what they want is the resources to have a real good look at the agreement-in-principle to see if it’s something that’s consistent with their priorities and principles, yet they have to sign on board to access those resources. Has the Premier given any thought of any other way of assisting our Aboriginal governments to review the agreement-in-principle other than by signing on board?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Well, how to put this in a way that is respectful of all the processes that we’ve been a part of since 2001 when the discussion of devolution began to take hold through the Intergovernmental Forum. Through that time since 2002 from a framework to where we are today between the federal government and ourselves, we’ve put almost, I think, I’ll have to get the accurate figure but I know we’ve put, between the federal government and ourselves, almost $8 million on the table to work with the groups around the agreement-in-principle. I’ll get the accurate information from a GNWT perspective.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 495-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I know that myself as MLA and Regular Members on this side want a strong North for all Northerners and I think one of the best ways we can do it is to try to be flexible, go to our Aboriginal organizations, provide some resources without actually having them sign on board, so that they can have an independent look at the AIP to address all of the concerns that they’ve been saying for the past month.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

The process both from the federal government and ourselves has been one to help the organizations and governments to the best way possible so that they can be involved

in this and help frame up that agreement-in-principle. Our share of the Government of the Northwest Territories contribution has been $3.9 million since 2001 to this year. The Government of the Northwest Territories Executive department actually reduced our budget to go through our cost-savings exercise over the last couple of years and reduced the funding and the devolution portfolio. For example, what we’re doing right now is trying to come up with some funds to help with the regions and looking at the AIP so that they can feel comfortable with the information we’ve been presenting.

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Question 495-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke about the Alberta tar sands and the pollution that’s coming down from that one specific project. There are also other projects in Alberta, B.C., and Saskatchewan that are also contributing to the pollution of the Northwest Territories. I want to ask the Minister of Environment about monitoring locations along the Great Slave Lake or down the Mackenzie River in terms of the quality of water. Are they checking along the watershed?

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As a matter of course there are a number of monitoring stations all the way up, down to the Arctic, but the reality is a recent federal panel found that the monitoring as it relates to the oil sands is not sufficient, that it’s confused, that there are new mandates needed. Then Minister Baird announced that they were going to put together a plan and a board that’s going to set up a cutting-edge monitoring protocol. That work is underway. I think they gave themselves 90 days or thereabouts, and that work is underway. There’s a recognition that more has to be done, that the federal government and especially Environment Canada has a lead role to play. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if this new founding has come to light through the federal government, I’m not too sure when the 90 days starts or when it’s running out. What can we do more to give a push to the federal government to make sure these monitoring stations are in place and that they’re monitoring the effects of the Alberta tar sands, amongst other things, that are coming down into the Great Slave Lake or the Mackenzie River? What can we do to push the federal government to get on this right away?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We have the good fortune to have one of our very capable staff, Dr. Erin Kelly, who is going to be involved in the process. As well, we’re going to be talking to Minister Kent about the scope of the project to make sure that they take a broad look at the monitoring that needs to be done and not narrow it down so that it becomes less than adequate. That work is underway, and through our Water Strategy and the negotiations we have on our transboundary, we’re also going to be pursing that very important issue as well. Thank you.

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, could the Minister invite Minister Kent along the Slave River, the Slave Lake and down the Mackenzie River, stopping at each

section of the river to drink the water, look at the fish, look for himself to really point out the seriousness of the pollution coming down the river? Can the Minister invite the Minister of Environment of the federal government to come down through the Great Slave Lake and to the Mackenzie River?

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

In point of fact, Minister Kent is in the North for the next couple of days and we will have an opportunity to pass on those very strong concerns to Minister Kent. He will be, as well, taking advantage of the opportunity to visit parts of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, certainly there are some concerns raised by the people along the Mackenzie, in terms of the fish that they are seeing now in their nets. I want to ask if the Minister would raise, again, this issue to the Minister if he could come down during the summer, come down the Mackenzie River, look at the fish, live on the Mackenzie River and see how serious this issue is, or just take him to court for polluting our water? I mean, that’s how serious it is. So I want to ask the Minister that.

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Member has offered two fairly significant extremes: one to invite him up to live in the North and camp on a river, or take him to court. I appreciate the intensity of the Member’s concern and we’re going to look for a more happy medium where we’ll talk to the Minister, we’ll have meetings with him and we’ll raise the concerns about what’s happening south of our borders and the need for strong transboundary agreements and proper monitoring on those major developments such as the oil sands. Thank you.

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Your final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I’m asking the Minister to invite the Minister to come up and live with us along the Mackenzie River for a couple of days, maybe a week, you know, then to see if we get his attention. Right now the federal government is doing nothing. People along the Mackenzie River are complaining about the fish, the water. He doesn’t seem to care. The only way we can get

some attention from the federal government is to take him to court. I’ll be very surprised if he makes an announcement in a week or so to putting a water monitoring station along the Mackenzie River, and tell that to the elders whose fish are soft and the livers are black. Tell him that. This is serious stuff here. That’s what I want to ask the Minister here, if he would give this message to the Minister here.

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We agree with the Member that this is a very serious issue. It’s been one of the driving priorities of Environment and Natural Resources during the life of this Assembly, has been to bring forward the Water Strategy to engage with the federal family to do the work necessary.

I must give credit where credit is due. INAC at the regional level has been extremely supportive of our efforts. We are going to be meeting with Minister Kent and one of the issues on our agenda is to discuss water concerns that we do have, monitoring issues, transboundary issues, and the need to take all the steps necessary to protect the interests of Northerners and keep our water clean and pure for all time. Thank you

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Question 496-16(5): NWT Water Protection Strategy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 497-16(5): Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions, as I mentioned in my statement earlier today, are for the Department of Environment and Natural Resources. I want to follow up. Obviously, MACA has continuously refused progressive action on building standards, actions that will demonstrably benefit everyone both in terms of costs and adaptation to climate change. I’m wondering, Mr. Speaker, what has the Minister done to ensure this common sense measure is incorporated as one of the core tools in the new Greenhouse Gas Reduction Strategy. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 497-16(5): Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MACA is working with communities. They do have an investment, as does this government, through our various boards and agencies and departments to work with communities, to work with all aspects of government services and programs to look to the best building standards possible. In some cases we have direct authority. In some cases we can use moral suasion in how we do our capital plans. MACA is there along with the Energy Alliance, Public Works and all the other arms of government.

The Member knows and has been intimately involved in the process for the Greenhouse Gas Strategy, and as it moves through its process and the time that’s laid out and the steps to be followed, that one of the issues that’s going to be there, in addition to the broader issue of emissions, is going to be standards, energy standards, what is the most appropriate standard and what is the best way to enforce that. As that Greenhouse Gas Strategy comes forward and reaches its conclusion, it will be up to ourselves to ensure that it contains and addresses all those issues. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the Minister is the lead Minister here for this strategy and participants. They’ve held workshops. Participants have brought forward these very measures. They have said we need better energy efficiency standards and building energy efficiency standards provided as a tool in this Greenhouse Gas Reduction Strategy. Is the Minister proposing to include that and what work is he doing to measure what that will get us in greenhouse gas reductions? Thank you.

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Question 497-16(5): Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Within government there is already clear evidence of our commitment to the proper energy-efficient building standards both in the commercial and residential areas. There is a process we have committed to in terms of consultation and working with the public and stakeholder groups to get their feedback, to get their best advice, and we’re going to do that. It’s not a question of myself, as Minister, standing up and trying to rule by fiat, which does not tend to work that well in a consensus government environment.

I’m very sensitive to the Member’s concerns and when we bring this Greenhouse Gas Strategy through its process to fruition, we will be collectively making sure that it addresses all these key areas. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I’m appreciative of the Minister’s sensitivity to my interests here. Mr. Speaker, I’d like to refer to the National Roundtable on Environment and Economy report recently released, wherein it was pointed out that the resilience of northern infrastructure systems will be essential for sustainable regional development and forsake our national and northern security interest for all Canadians. They note in there that some of the constraints on the whole process is lack of clear standards and lack of guidance, especially for permafrost regions where structural design standards or guidelines are totally missing.

They go on to talk about the lack of coordination and so on. Given that the Minister of MACA is continually refusing to act on this, and I know exactly what the department is doing and not doing on this, I don’t appreciate the defence by this Minister. I wonder if this Minister will work with that department to get this work done. Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we as a government intend to come forward with a Greenhouse Gas Strategy that will address all of these critical areas and it may, in fact, become the position of the government, if not this government maybe the 17

Assembly, that we are going to look

at building standards that are applied across the Territory for all construction and all levels of government.

At this point, we have the system that we just talked about. The work is underway to see where the improvements are necessary in terms of regulation and governance, and before this strategy is finalized, it will be up to ourselves, myself and the Member for Weledeh and all the other MLAs in this House, to make sure that it addresses what we think are the needs and priorities of the government or the people in the Northwest Territories and this Legislative Assembly. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister’s comments again here. I think I will look forward to that work. Basically what we need to be doing is determining here what gains can be achieved with this move. That is the responsibility of this Minister at this moment in time so we can use this tool appropriately and responsibly. Does the Minister agree that the standards we have for the GNWT that allow us to benefit so much should be available and made available to all members of the Northwest Territories for all infrastructure? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I think it behooves us all to have as energy-efficient building standards for all people in the Northwest Territories as possible. The issue is going to be to sort through the regulatory and government’s issues to, in fact, be able to allow ourselves to do that so that we, in fact, as the Member indicated, will have a common standard that is as high as the government sets for itself. Thank you.

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Question 497-16(5): Territorial Energy-Efficient Building Standards

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we all know, there are high pockets of unemployment in the Northwest Territories, especially in rural and remote communities. For a housing unit, the cost of $300,000 to $400,000 can go a long way to generate jobs and employment opportunities in our communities. This government has government policies and procedures to deal with that type of opportunity so that those dollars remain in the

communities and some of those negotiated contracts, sole-source contracts, local tenders. Mr. Speaker, the whole approach on negotiated contracts is for the local organization in regards to community development corporation, local contractor getting the support of the local MLA and the local government to put forward a negotiated contract to the Minister to take to Cabinet and let the Cabinet determine if that contract should go or not go in those particular communities with the support of the MLA and the local government.

I would like to ask the Minister of Housing why hasn’t he taken any negotiated contracts to Cabinet knowing that this is a policy in government and why are you not following the policy.

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have taken a request for negotiated contract to Cabinet. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, my understanding of all the letters that I have submitted to the Minister asking for negotiated contracts, not once did I get a response back to those letters asking for negotiated contracts that those contracts went to Cabinet or have been rejected outright by the Minister. Why have you not passed on the message that those contracts have been dealt with in Cabinet and when can I see those letters? Thank you.

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, the Member is asking me why I haven’t brought a negotiated contract forward to Cabinet. I have brought requests forward. It was last year. He didn’t say where it was. If he meant in his particular riding, then I haven’t brought anything forward. I would make recommendations to Cabinet on whether to proceed with the negotiated contract or not. We are following policy and the policy states quite clearly that a negotiated contract is to help the local contractor build capacity so they can compete in an open market.

I follow these things quite closely and I have enough confidence in local contractors, not only for their ability to do the work but their ability to compete in an open market. Having said that, we have fulfilled our obligations as a government as far as a negotiated contract policy goes. We have a lot more contractors out there getting their start through negotiated contracts, that are able to bid in a competitive market and are actually doing quite better bidding in a competitive market than they are getting negotiated contracts. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, again, I just spoke to the president of the Aklavik Community Corporation in regards to the Aklavik proposal which went forward to the Minister and myself in which it clearly stipulated a contract that they were looking at has gone to an Inuvik company. Again, all we are going to see are headlights coming from Inuvik and

driving back to Inuvik at five o’clock. Again, the companies that are benefitting from these contracts in our communities are Inuvik companies. I would like to know, is there a guarantee that those contract dollars will remain in the community and how they benefit the community where those contracts are being let. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure what the particulars of this case are. As far as I know, we do have some units that are slated for construction in the Member’s riding, one of the communities in the Member’s riding that he pointed out. We have been receiving letters requesting negotiated contracts. One of our policies says that if you get two or more requests for a negotiated contract, then we have to evaluate that. The one the Member is speaking of in particular, I am not quite sure which one that is. If it is one that we just awarded recently, I don’t know that. I have seen no requests for negotiated contract for that particular part. Thank you.

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just gave the Minister two letters lately from Fort McPherson and from Aklavik in regards to housing contracts and put in without local tendering or basically allow for some sort of local preferential treatment be treated for these units going into my constituents. I would like to ask the Minister, can he assure me that those contracts will have a fair airing that will go to Cabinet and the Cabinet will make the decision to go or not to go in regards to the contracts in my riding.

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, we are still in the process of determining how we are going to procure those particular contracts. There has been no decision made yet. We look at all the information we get. Again I say, if we get two or more letters for a negotiated contract, one of them may have the Member’s support, one may not. How do we determine? The thing is, the contractors now all have the ability. Again, it goes back to policy. The purpose of the policy is to allow those contractors that are just starting up, trying to get their foot in the door, an opportunity to do so.

If they prove that they are able to do the work and they are able to bid in a competitive market, then we have fulfilled our obligation. We are starting to see more and more local contractors that are doing that. They are competing with contractors from outside the community. They are given preferential treatment just for being situated in the community. It is a 5 percent preferential treatment, 15 percent northern, so they have proven that they are able to compete. I can assure the Member that no decision has been made on these particular ones that he is filed the letters on. We will have a look at them.

It will be at ministerial discretion. I will be able to make a

recommendation to Cabinet as to whether we proceed or not with the negotiated contract. Thank you.

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Question 498-16(5): GNWT Measures To Stimulate Local Economies In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 499-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . I have some questions for the Minister in regards to the draft Wildlife Act. One of the clauses of the draft act speaks to the power of the Minister to establish conservation areas. The Minister knows from both me and from submissions made by various organizations that this is a concern and particularly for mining industries and companies.

As a government, I believe the GNWT states that we want both economic development and the preservation of the environment, so I’d like to ask the Minister what percentage of land does the GNWT intend to keep open and accessible for economic development. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 499-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That particular clause that the Member references has been amended so that any plan to make any areas conservation areas or to withdraw any land will be decided on by Cabinet. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I didn’t hear the answer to the question there. I’d like to know if the GNWT has a policy or has any kind of an idea in their mind... Does GNWT, as a government or as a Cabinet, have a percentage of land that they intend to keep open and accessible for economic development? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. That’s not really specific or germane to the Wildlife Act. It is a discussion that we’ve had when we’ve talked about land use for example with the Dehcho Land Use Plan and other areas. As we look at finalizing our land use framework, we will be dealing more precisely with that particular issue. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you. I’d like to say to the Minister that I guess we have to agree to disagree, because I think the Wildlife Act is impacted through conservation areas on economic development, and particularly mining exploration and mining operations. I have heard that organizations in discussion with this government have been advised that some 45 percent of our lands will be kept open for economic development. In my mind, that’s far too large a number and I’d like to know from the Minister if that’s accurate. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. The Member and I will have to agree to disagree. The issue of land quantum of what’s going to be available for economic development is not part of the Wildlife Act, which is designed to look at wildlife management and wildlife issues. That issue will be dealt with and is being dealt with as we look at some of the broader discussion areas like the land use framework that we’re talking about and as we sit down on a region-by-region basis once again in areas like the Deh Cho or the Sahtu and the Gwich’in where land use plans are being worked on. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 499-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m struggling with the Minister’s evasion of my question and he’s taking it quite literally that I’m talking only about the Wildlife Act. I’m asking what percentage of lands within the total area of the NWT is liable to be open and accessible for economic development. If some 50 percent or 45 or 55 percent of our lands are being withheld for conservation or environmental protection or whatever, Protected Areas Strategy, what effect does the Minister feel this is going to have on our ability to be a growing and economically vibrant Territory?

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Question 499-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. That’s the challenge for all of us as we look at protecting the environment, the land, the water and the animals and balancing that with the resource development and economic development. When you talk about making land available for resource development, there is a number of different levels to that. There is land that’s taken up by communities. There’s land taken up for resource development. There are lands taken up for other reasons. So we’re going to make sure that we strive for that balance, and in some of the regions like the Deh Cho, there are figures being used in terms of the land quantum.

The Member indicates she’s been talking to a number of folks who have given her numbers. Well, as a government we don’t have a territorial-wide number that we’re saying has to be kept free for resource development or a particular number of land and land quantum that has to be put aside. Thank you.

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Question 499-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 500-16(5): GNWT Public Consultation Processes

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Premier . Open, transparent and meaningful public consultation is

critical to the operations of a public government. It must exist. Both prior to being an MLA and since being an MLA I’m concerned about the inconsistencies in public consultation that this government is administering. There seems to be a wide variety from information sessions to real public consultation. For certainty and for ongoing public consultations, I think it would be important for this government to develop protocols on what a public consultation is and which all departments, boards and agencies would be bound to. So my question for the Premier is: will he commit to, in the life of the 16

Assembly, develop with the Department of

Executive a protocol on public consultations so that people know what a public consultation is, so it’s clear, so it’s transparent and so that people have confidence that their input is heard and recognized? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 500-16(5): GNWT Public Consultation Processes

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories does have a consultation package in place. We worked through in Intergovernmental Affairs and the intergovernmental group as well as Aboriginal Affairs and Executive and Justice to look at a number of agreements around the country to inform all departments of our consultation requirements for our policies and legislation. Thank you.

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Question 500-16(5): GNWT Public Consultation Processes

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I would like to thank the Premier for that response. I would like to ask the Minister to share that with committee. Even though it exists, my question still stands around the consistency. If you look across the government, there doesn’t seem to be consistency in application of public consultations. By way of example, the Workers’ Safety and Compensation Commission is on the workplace safety standards. Clearly, that’s public consultation and people’s input is being sought. The Wildlife Act, on the other hand, there’s a lot of concern that it’s not in there.

So how is the Premier going to ensure consistency in public consultation processes throughout the Northwest Territories conducted by the Government of the Northwest Territories?

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Question 500-16(5): GNWT Public Consultation Processes

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

If the Member is asking about the difference, different levels of consultation, we have a broad public consultation process for all the people of the Northwest Territories. If he’s drawing the difference between the Workers’ Safety and Compensation process as well as the Wildlife Act, quite clearly if you look at the Wildlife Act, that’s gone to every community in the Northwest Territories and has had broad consultation on that. On top of that, one of the other areas we have to fulfil is where there are land claim agreements and self-government agreements, that requires an additional level of consultation before we go to

drafting legislation. So we match that as well. Thank you.

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Question 500-16(5): GNWT Public Consultation Processes

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

There is concern about consistency in public consultation. If you go out into the public, the Wildlife Act is a prime example. I’m curious how the Premier can ensure the public that their input is being heard in all forms of public consultation, in particularly something like the Wildlife Act. What are we going to do to ensure that application is consistent and people’s voices are heard? This doesn’t mean the government has to agree with everything they hear. It is a public government, there are lots of people’s opinions, but we need to ensure people are heard and acknowledged. So how does the Premier intend to ensure consistency? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 500-16(5): GNWT Public Consultation Processes

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We do have a policy within the Government of the Northwest Territories on consultation. All departments have that and we ensure that we work with departments in fulfilling our commitments. As well, this Assembly has a process of doing that. Once legislation is introduced, there is a whole different forum for public consultation on that and bringing the bills back to this Assembly. Thank you.

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Question 500-16(5): GNWT Public Consultation Processes

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 501-16(5): GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I would like to direct my questions to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, I find it kind of odd that communities I represent, the whole capital expenditures extends to about $2.5 million and half of that is the formula funding we give to our communities for infrastructure projects. Most of that is housing. Yet, Mr. Speaker, we are in the neighbourhood of the riding the Premier represents and you’re talking about $70 million of capital expenditures. We have high unemployment in our communities. Forty-five percent unemployment is unheard of in my riding.

The issue I have with this government is do we realistically look at the policies and procedures we have as government that would benefit communities, build capacity and make sure the dollars we spend as government for capital dollars stay in those communities. I’d like to ask the Premier why we are not following our policies and procedures when it comes to community capacity and negotiated contracts, sole-sourced contracts or local tenders so that they’re tendered locally in those communities.

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Question 501-16(5): GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 501-16(5): GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We do follow our policies. Thank you.

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Question 501-16(5): GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I believe they had followed policies, that’s why I have 45 percent unemployment in my riding, which I never had three years ago, but under the regime of this government, it has forced companies to leave my riding and go to operate out of Yellowknife and get work in the southern region because they can’t get work in their home communities. I’d like to ask the Premier if it’s fair that all the contractors doing work in my riding are coming from Inuvik who are getting $70 million of capital expenditures in that community and yet my communities are going hungry because of unemployment rates at 45 percent.

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Question 501-16(5): GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

When we put the facts on the table, for example Mackenzie Valley Construction in the region, in the Department of Transportation it accounts for almost 70 percent of the contract values both negotiated, public tenders, the whole process. So that comparison is difficult to do. On top of that, when we have large construction projects, that requires a certain level of commitment by the contractors to be able to build on that. We follow the policies there as well.

I think the comparison of the Inuvik constituency versus the Aklavik or Mackenzie Delta constituency, the Member well knows that the schools in Inuvik have been on the books since 1995 and have been authorized by this Assembly to go forward in construction.

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Question 501-16(5): GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I also think we should note that a $100 million contract was let through a negotiated contract for the school in Inuvik. A hundred million dollars yet I can’t get a goddamned house built in my riding for $300,000.

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Question 501-16(5): GNWT Contracting Policies To Stimulate Small Community Economies

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 502-16(5): Investigation Of Awarding Of Housing Contracts In Inuvik Region

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are directed to the Minister of Finance . I’d like to ask the Minister of Finance if there can be a financial audit done in regard to the capital housing allocations in the Inuvik region and exactly why those allocations are not being spent in the communities they’re earmarked for and they’re benefitting the community of Inuvik by way of all the contractors receiving all the contracts. Could you check into that and see if there is a possibility of investigation to how those dollars are being let?

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Question 502-16(5): Investigation Of Awarding Of Housing Contracts In Inuvik Region

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 502-16(5): Investigation Of Awarding Of Housing Contracts In Inuvik Region

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s a detailed question and I will review Hansard and, therefore, take the question as notice.

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Question 502-16(5): Investigation Of Awarding Of Housing Contracts In Inuvik Region

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment today. I have received communication from the Minister. He advises me that he is aware of the economic downturn in Hay River and several different initiatives have been expedited. Things have been happening there. We need something that is going to have a large and long-lasting effect on the economy in Hay River.

We don’t have to think back very far to how many millions of dollars this government spent when we saw an opportunity for economy from the secondary diamond processing, when this government stepped up with loans, loan guarantees, training dollars, and it was all in the interest of putting people to work and enhancing the economy of this area for the most part.

I’d like to ask the Minister of ITI if his officials have had any communication with Tamerlane Ventures about some of the obstacles or challenges that they may be facing in getting ready to open a mine close to Hay River in the South Slave that would benefit our region greatly.

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re very pleased to hear that Tamerlane has received financing to go on to the next level, but more recently we haven’t been in any discussions. All the discussions we’ve had with Tamerlane have been before the economy took a downturn. At that time we were discussing the need for power and also other opportunities. Now that they have received financing, we’ll be quite prepared to go back and have the discussions with them.

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The name of the person who is on the ground in Hay River doing a lot of the presentations to the Chamber of Commerce, the Town Council and so on, is Randy Lewis. He has worked in the North for quite a number of years. I am going to ask the Minister if someone in his department, perhaps the deputy minister or someone at that level, could take the proactive move to contact Mr. Lewis and personally have ITI updated on where the Tamerlane project is at and what any of the obstacles are. We need our government not to become involved in industry, but if there’s any way we can smooth any of the barriers or facilitate seeing this mining project get off the ground, it is much needed.

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I agree with the Member that projects like these are much needed in the Northwest Territories, and we’d be quite pleased to meet with Mr. Lewis and I’ll direct our senior officials to contact him immediately and set up a meeting with him.

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Before I go to Mr. Yakeleya for oral questions, the Chair distinctly heard some comments from the Member for Mackenzie Delta in his last line of questioning that were clearly unparliamentary to the Chair. I will ask the Member for Mackenzie Delta if he’s prepared to withdraw the remarks from the House and apologize to the House. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I apologize.

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Could you please withdraw your remarks, Mr. Krutko ?

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I withdraw my remarks and I apologize.

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Question 503-16(5): Tamerlane Ventures And Pine Point Mining Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 504-16(5): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of Transportation some questions on the Mackenzie Valley Highway. I understand that the Minister met with some western Transportation Ministers and I wonder if they had any discussion on the National Transportation Policy on this dream of many people in the valley in terms of having some more concrete realities, I guess I could say, in terms of putting the steel to the ground to open up the Mackenzie Valley Highway. I know there were some project description reports done and I think we’re close to going to the second level.

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Question 504-16(5): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Question 504-16(5): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did have the opportunity to have a discussion in a formal setting with the Westec members in Vancouver on Friday. We also had the opportunity to meet privately with Minister Strahl. We had a very good discussion. We wanted to take the occasion to bring forward the desire of this House to ensure the Minister is aware that we place a lot of priority on the Mackenzie Valley Highway and we also wanted to ensure that the Members of Westec are aware of our desire to move forward. We also had the opportunity to talk about other projects that were in the mix, and some applications that we had forwarded we are looking for some updates.

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