Debates of March 12th, 1993

This is page numbers 877 - 900 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Construction Of Highways In Nwt

Legislation In The Nwt

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Tampering Of Signs At New Legislative Assembly Building

Further Information Re Dumping Waste Into Arctic Ocean

Lack Of Coordination Between Renewable Resources And Federal Counterparts

Criteria For Education Leave

Study On Ecosystem Of Arctic Ocean

Policy For Lottery Licences

Translation Of Court Documents

Financial Assistance For Izok Lake Deposit

Installation Of Telephones For Seals In Arctic Ocean

Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith

Indexing Of Rental Rates And Utility Charges

Criteria For Day Release For Inmates

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 22:

An Act To Amend The Mining Safety Act

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Reciprocal Enforcement Of Judgments Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

To Adopt Recommendation 26

To Adopt Recommendation 27

To Adopt Recommendation 28

To Adopt Recommendation 29

To Adopt Recommendation 22

To Adopt Recommendation 10

To Adopt Recommendation 11

To Adopt Recommendation 12

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 877

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Construction Of Highways In Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 877

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On March 9, 1993, I questioned Mr. Todd about the objectives of our transportation strategy. Several colleagues were upset over a radio broadcast of March 10 which indicated I was against the building of the Mackenzie Valley highway. Anyone who reads the transcripts for that day will know I did not say the Mackenzie Valley highway should not be built. In fact, I believe the Mackenzie Valley highway should be built and my views have not changed since 1972.

The point I want to make is this, in the 1970s there was a proposal to build a 48 inch natural gas pipeline down the Mackenzie Valley at a cost of $5 billion. Because there was a continental energy crisis, the price of oil had shot up dramatically. To get support for a pipeline, federal funds were allocated for the building of highway and we all remember the work of Hire North from those days. When the energy crisis was over and a small six inch oil pipeline was built from Norman Wells to Zama Lake the highway was suddenly forgotten. The pursuit of a gas pipeline was put on hold.

The building of new roads and highways in the Northwest Territories is a federal responsibility, Mr. Speaker. They will be built if they are in the federal government's interest, which usually means roads to resources to serve national, continental or international interests. As a government, Mr. Speaker, our prime objective should be roads which reduces the cost of moving goods, services and people, to encourage inter-settlement economic activity and to encourage tourism. In other words, to reduce the cost of living for our people and to improve the quality of life.

Our strategy should be always to keep in mind that federal objectives in new road construction may not be the same as our own. The point I tried to make to Mr. Todd is that we must always keep our objectives in front of us. We do not control new road construction. If the next new road is from Izok Lake to the Coronation Gulf, we should not invest our limited resources in it if it does not serve the interests of the people we represent.

If you read Hansard you will find, Mr. Todd did change his mind and state that objectives are important. I regret the confusion my remarks may have, in fact, caused. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 877

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Legislation In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 877

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

We have laws regarding CGAs, CMAs and CNAs. We have laws regarding dentists, dependents, domestic relations, documents and dogs. Mr. Speaker, those are only the statutes. We are buried up to our necks as well in regulations. I photocopied all the wildlife regulations from the NWT Gazette and it stacks four centimetres thick of paper.

Mr. Speaker, I want to be serious for a moment. We are moving ahead in an era that will see more political changes than we have ever seen before in the Northwest Territories. We will be seeing new forms of government emerge in Nunavut and Denendeh, and we will see a growing recognition of the inherent right of aboriginal people to govern themselves. We must make sure our hands are not tied by the type of legislation which has accumulated over the years. It takes a long time to amend all of this legislation, Mr. Speaker.

We should be taking every precaution to make sure that when we pass laws in this House we are carefully considering the future changes that lie around the corner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 877

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Question 413-12(3): Policy On Shipping Freight By Ntcl North Of Norman Wells

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 878

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Koe on March 4, 1993 with respect to the policy on shipping freight by NTCL north of Norman Wells.

It has been a policy of the Government of the Northwest Territories since 1979 that all major GNWT shipments to the western Arctic and Keewatin regions are to be carried by the Northern Transportation Company Ltd. Government support for NTCL over these many years has been thought to be necessary to maintain a viable common carrier service in the western and central Arctic for the benefit of both the public and private sectors.

After 14 years, it is time to reconsider the government's transportation policy to see if it still serves its original purpose and if exclusive public support for a designated common carrier is still necessary. The transportation system is the life blood of our northern economy. The government cannot change such a central economic policy hastily, without giving all due consideration to its possible ramifications.

As my colleague the Minister for Government Services and Public Works stated earlier, we expect to deal with the transportation policy before the fall session. In the meantime, I would welcome any advice or suggestions the Members or their constituents might have to give me. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Patterson .

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Question 470-12(3): Tampering Of Signs At New Legislative Assembly Building

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This being a Friday, I have an important question for the Minister of Public Works . In his capacity as the Minister responsible for overseeing the new Legislative Assembly building, Mr. Speaker, is the Minister aware the signs in front of the new Legislative Assembly building site have been tampered with?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 878

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I can tell the Minister and this House that although the Legislative Assembly building society and the Members' Services Board compositions have changed since the signs were erected in front of the construction site, the signs have been changed in one respect only. That is, to obliterate utterly any reference to the Honourable Nellie Cournoyea , who was Minister of Public Works when the project was started. A crew was dispatched to the site, her name was painted over and wiped out, and the Honourable Don Morin 's name has been carefully painted in.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister of Public Works is, and I think this would be a good employment project for the Northwest Territories, will the Minister assure this House that he will make a priority to ensure that his deputy minister is instructed to ensure that every sign on every construction site in every community in the Northwest Territories is immediately inspected to ensure that any reference to the Minister's predecessor is obliterated and wiped out?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

---Laughter

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, what happened to the humble guy from Fort Resolution who came to the big city to be a Minister without any pretence of putting on airs?

---Laughter

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am still humbly following Members' instructions. Thank you.

---Laughter

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 471-12(3): Further Information Re Dumping Waste Into Arctic Ocean

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . This morning on the news it appears that the talks between the MP from Nunatsiaq and Mary Collins, I think she is the person responsible for the environment, have not gone very far. It is very disturbing and disappointing to hear that nothing had been established, other than the Minister in Ottawa will look into it further. As we pointed out in the last few days, my colleagues and I have indicated that the time for this project is fast approaching. I wondered if the Minister has heard anything that would further this concern?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I requested a call to Mary Collins, since the Minister of the Environment, Jean Charest, was not available this morning. My staff has talked to Mr. Charest's office and we are also keeping in contact with ITC, who is thinking of putting in a notice of objection under the Environmental Protection Act. I asked my office to contact Mary Collins this morning and I am just waiting for a phone call back from them. Yesterday, when the Minister was asked about this project, she was not aware of the whole project. Thank you.

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Question 472-12(3): Lack Of Coordination Between Renewable Resources And Federal Counterparts

Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister a similar question. Is the Minister of Renewable Resources convinced that there is no coordination between the Minister of Environment Canada and his staff from the department regarding the dumping in the Arctic Ocean? Is he aware there is very little coordination between the Minister and the staff of the Environment on the dumping proposal?

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Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. According to the federal government, the way this project was set up was acceptable to them. They thought if they dumped scrap metal in the ocean, there would be minimal impact. That was the advice given to the federal Minister and he did not pursue it. I think the communication is good, but the officials of the department were advising their Minister that this was no big deal. To us in the Northwest Territories any ocean dumping raises a concern, and my department has been rigorously pursuing the Department of Environment as well as the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

We are also trying to get a feeling from Indian and Northern Affairs on this ocean dumping to see if we can find another alternative to look after the garbage which is proposed to be dumped into the ocean. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Minister is aware that Ms. Mary Collins was a consultant to Petro Canada during the liquified natural gas project. Knowing she has fairly good knowledge about the activities and the sensitivity of the environment in the Arctic, will the Minister be talking to her directly and have her directly involved with the question of dumping, rather than relying solely on the Department of Environment?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, as I said, I have requested to talk to the Minister, Mary Collins. I have not heard back about when I will be able to talk to Minister Collins, but I will talk to her about this.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I would like to get assurance from the Minister, will he insist on talking to her directly, rather than having his department and her department talk to each other?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, that is what I have requested. Thank you.

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Question 473-12(3): Criteria For Education Leave

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel . Mr. Speaker, last week I asked the Minister about education leave. In reviewing unedited Hansard, he indicates "in 1992, 13 employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories were granted education leave." I would like to ask the Minister what criteria was used in making decisions on whether or not to grant education leave? Thank you.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice.

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Question 474-12(3): Study On Ecosystem Of Arctic Ocean

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to Mr. Arvaluk 's question to the Minister of Renewable Resources , I have a question also. There has been some activity going on near Resolute Bay from Fisheries and Oceans. Have they ever been questioned as to what is happening to the ecosystem and to the animal inhabitants of that area? Have they ever studied the impact on the micro-organisms in the ocean and the impact of dumping garbage in the ocean? Have they ever been questioned about this? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The people who are studying make reports annually. However, they have not completed their final report as of today, so we do not know what is going on with the ecosystem. They have not really noticed any changes which is stated in their reports. I will look into the matter, however. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I would like the Minister to look into this serious matter. At the time when PanArctic had a meeting about dumping garbage in the ocean, the director of Fisheries and Oceans could not attend the meeting. However, he did not want anyone dumping garbage into this particular ocean because some micro-organisms and marine life, such as walruses, would be affected by this dumping. Can the Minister table a report in the House to show us what kind of impact the dumping will have in the Arctic ocean? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will look into this matter. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Supplementary to my question. Can you also look into another matter? They had dumped metal waste into the ocean last year and, I guess after no opposition, they have been wanting to dump some more waste into the Arctic Ocean. Has there been any studies on how this has impacted the small animals? I would like to ask the Minister if there have been any studies completed on the impacts from previous dumping into the ocean? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will look into this study and report to the House what kind of effects the contaminants have had on the sea mammals. Thank you.

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Question 475-12(3): Policy For Lottery Licences

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 880

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Safety and Public Services . Mr. Speaker, earlier I had brought a concern to the Minister on an application which was submitted by an organization in our community which was called "The Warriors." However, their application was for some type of lottery licence which was denied. Apparently, it was denied because of the fact that their membership was not open to the general public.

However, I would like to ask the Minister if this policy applies to applications, why are lottery licences given to bands where the membership is not open to the general public, the Metis Association where the membership is not open to the general public, the Elks where the membership is not open to the general public and the Legion which is not open to the general public? What are the determining factors in this policy?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

That is a good question. I will have to take that question as notice, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 476-12(3): Translation Of Court Documents

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question directed to the Minister of Justice . I believe in the aboriginal languages being implemented in the Northwest Territories, and I also ask questions in my native language. I wonder if court documents, particularly summons for court appearances have always been translated into Inuktitut. Mr. Speaker, the unilingual people who have to attend court do not understand what kind of summons they have been issued. Mr.

Speaker, using the Official Languages Act, can the Minister in the future get the documents translated into Inuktitut or into any other aboriginal language which is being used in the Northwest Territories? Can we hope to have these translated into Inuktitut in the future? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, with the establishment of a justice system by the Canadian and territorial governments, the aboriginal people in particular have faced the imposition of a system which is largely not of their making, a system they do not readily identify with but nevertheless is backed by the full force of the law. Historically, it has not been seen as important whether aboriginal people could read or write or could understand a summons.

However, with the development of a sense amongst communities and aboriginal people that the system needs to be changed in some major ways, I think the Member will find this government makes every possible effort to make sure all aboriginal people understand the proceedings of the present system of courts and legal communiques. I think, increasingly, the federal government will also be moving in that line. I think we will find that as we encourage more and more aboriginal communities and other communities to take a larger responsibility for the

way in which they relate and demand that relations be set up with the present system, that increasingly the system will be changed positively to meet many of the demands and shortcomings which the people of the north are starting to articulate. The Member's suggestion is a good one and we will see what we can do to ensure that happens, at least in our system, and to address the question to the federal justice people to ensure we can make every effort to meet that demand as well. We will be informing all Members about what can be done in this area. Thank you.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is not a supplementary question. I will be asking further questions later. Thank you.

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Question 477-12(3): Financial Assistance For Izok Lake Deposit

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 881

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Transportation . I am going to ask Mr. Todd whether our government has been asked, in any formal sense, to make a financial commitment to the infrastructure for the development of the Izok Lake deposit.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

No, Mr. Speaker, there is no financial commitment made at this time. As the honourable Member is aware, we are working with all the stakeholder groups in trying to develop a strategy as to how we would approach the federal government. Clearly, there is a need. At least initially, it appears there is a need for significant public infrastructure to make this mine a success, but at this time there is no financial commitment.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the Minister will be attending a meeting in Coppermine on May 7 and 8, I believe. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the purpose of this meeting? What does he hope will be achieved at this particular meeting?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I have said many times since I have come over on this side, it is the politics of inclusion. This project is national in scale, even international I suspect. I want to ensure northern interests are protected, if that is the right term, that we look after the interests of all northerners on this issue. The intent of the May 8 and 9 meeting in Coppermine is to bring groups together such as the Inuit of the Kitikmeot, the Dogrib, the NWT Chamber of Mines, the NWT Chamber of Commerce, the MLAs and the Minnova people. I spoke to Dr. Watkins, who is the president, yesterday and he has agreed to attend.

It is just an effort to develop a strategy of how we would approach the federal government and how we are going to approach this project in relationship to the public infrastructure which is required. It is just an initial meeting to determine if there is sufficient interests amongst the groups to provide me and the department with input as to how we would approach this whole project at this time.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

What benefits does the Minister expect will accrue to this government and to the people of the Northwest Territories with the completion of this project? It is not a hypothetical question, Mr. Speaker, because we have been told it is going to go ahead.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

What benefits are going to be accrued? I suspect it would depend upon how well we negotiate and how well we become part of the process. That is the reason we are trying to get together with Minnova and the stakeholder groups. We need to develop a dialogue between the industry, between the government and between the stakeholder groups involved. The benefits, I suspect, could be numerous. There could be employment opportunities, equity opportunities for the aboriginal groups who will have land claims money and construction opportunities.

There would be the opportunity to put significant public infrastructure in, whether it was a port in Coppermine or a highway. I could go on all day regarding the opportunities, Mr. Speaker. If I can quantify it in dollars at least initially the industry is looking at putting in $450 million and the infrastructure, again the numbers are not hard yet, would be somewhere between $400 to $600 million for the road and the port. We have to assume, if I may use that term, that there are going to be significant economic benefits derived, not only to the north but to Canada.

It is certainly my intention to link into the process to ensure there is a dialogue ongoing and our interests are protected through discussion.

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Question 478-12(3): Installation Of Telephones For Seals In Arctic Ocean

Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. PanArctic takes a stand that they felt dumping in the ocean of scrap metal is not a big deal because they said they have never received any complaints. I will ask my question to the Minister of Government Services . Will Government Services instruct NorthwesTel to install phone lines in the ocean so that seals and other marine mammals will have equal access to be able to make complaints to PanArctic? Since human beings do not live there, I do not think they will receive any complaints

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Michael Ballantyne

The wonders of modern technology. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will seek advice from the Minister of Renewable Resources to see if those animals can use telephone services. Thank you.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Justice . Mr. Speaker, in framing these questions I want to advise you that I have been mindful of your ruling on February 23, which indicated we should take concern when asking questions about individuals. However, I seem to be getting some concerns expressed by my constituents on how this issue is addressed.

Mr. Speaker, on Thursday, February 18, my honourable colleague for Deh Cho asked a series of questions about services which are being provided to a particular inmate within the territorial correctional system. This particular inmate was previously one of the senior officials with the territorial government. During the sentence hearing of this inmate, the lawyers indicated there was a specific need for counselling which could be best through a continued contact in Toronto with a therapist. This is certainly on public record. It was also stated during the sentence hearing that special needs were so great that the sentence ought to take them into consideration.

Recognizing that the courts were told it was so necessary for this previous civil servant who had defrauded the government in excess of a quarter of a million dollars to be incarcerated in a location where she could be seen by her therapist. I would like to ask the Minister to explain why she has been retained in the Fort Smith correctional centre rather than being transferred to Ontario? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the short answer to it is that the courts when passing sentence give certain instructions. In this case the court, or the judge as far as I know has not issued specific instructions with regard to some of the suggestions made by the lawyers during the proceedings. As I have indicated earlier, once the person is sentenced they become the responsibility, and in this case, of Corrections Canada.

By legislation and in keeping with their philosophy, both Corrections Canada and the territorial government's correctional system worked together to decide where the best location for this particular inmate would be. With the advice and full support of Corrections Canada it was decided to use the exchange agreement to have the particular inmate placed in the facility in Fort Smith.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

With all due respect, Mr. Speaker, I hear comments from women and particularly from native women that if this was a native woman she would be in a penitentiary down south. Mr. Speaker, the Minister stated that the responsibility is of Corrections Canada and at this time he is trying to work together with the NWT corrections and the justice system.

Recognizing this is a federal inmate who plead guilty to one of the largest misappropriation of funds in the history of the territorial public service, and recognizing that her sentence specifically took into account the need to send out a message of general deterrence to others who might be tempted to commit this sort of breach, I would like to ask the Minister if his officials have considered the kind of image our territorial corrections system is creating by the fact that this past civil servant is now attending Arctic College and travelling around the community unsupervised? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell , I think you are asking the opinion of the Minister. Perhaps you would like to rephrase that question. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If my question is not meant to intend to ask for an opinion of the Minister, it is to indicate the policies which are being developed to be implemented in the general justice system do not give deterrence to avoid this type of crime to reoccur. What have the Minister's officials done to assure the public that the justice system will address people who have committed crimes in the territories, to ensure that justice is done when crimes are being sentenced? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the court system dealt with this particular individual. There was due process followed and a sentence was passed. Through our correctional system, we worked with the federal correctional people to work out what we thought was an acceptable arrangement for this specific individual. Whether we think the sentence was punishing enough, whether we thought it reflects enough hurt and whatever else people may feel should be inflicted on the individuals who perpetuate crimes is really not an issue here.

The location of the institution may be more of an issue if the Member's constituents take particular exception to this institution sitting in the midst of their tranquil community. If they are upset about what they see as high risk inmates running around their community, going to the educational institution which is also located there, then that is a different issue. That can be addressed, possibly, in another way.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the issue is not the fact that my constituents are concerned of a high risk inmate in the

community. I do not appreciate the motive which is being imputed by the Minister. Mr. Speaker, the issue at hand is the fact of what is the Justice department doing to deter future individuals who may be in the civil service from committing such crimes? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the federal government is still responsible for prosecutions. It is the federal government which lays charges. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary will be a repeat of my last question because the Minister has not answered. I would like to ask the Minister, what is his department, the Department of Justice, the division of corrections, doing to avoid crimes such as this from being committed in the future? What type of deterrents do you have in your justice system from avoiding this reoccurring? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the territorial justice system is not the agency which is set up with the sole mandate of deterring people from committing crimes. Our mandate more specifically focuses on dealing with people who commit crimes and are dealt with by the courts. There is some work we are trying to do in some of the areas, but much of the work remains in Education, Social Services, Health and in many of the other programs of the government. The question is so broad and general that I simply cannot answer it.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am quite pleased with the debate and constructive nature of the debate on the changes committed to by the government yesterday in the long-term staff housing strategy. I was pleased to hear the Minister of Personnel say yesterday that he thought the majority of committee recommendations made could be addressed and met by the government. I would like to ask about one area of the motion in which the Minister of Personnel did not comment, and that is the need to index the rental rates and utility charges to reflect differences in climate and costs in the various communities.

Could I ask the Minister how he sees that issue being addressed by the government from here on? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I indicated to the Member yesterday in a private conversation that we should be careful not to take over the collective negotiations on behalf of the unions and employees here in the Legislature because the issue of salaries, settlement allowances, vacation travel assistance, other benefits as well as many of the other issues that affect the benefits and salaries of employees are negotiated by the unions at the appropriate time with the government. Such things like the settlement allowance, for instance, are used to offset the different costs of living in different areas of the north.

There will be some evening out of benefits. The Member knows it will be up to the unions to decide when negotiations commence, and where the limited dollars, which the government may have to offer in the course of negotiations, will be best used. If they choose to put it all in vacation travel assistance or in settlement allowances then there will not be much money for salary levels. Again, the pay equity issue is a huge outstanding issue that can affect not only the union negotiations but the entire fiscal position of this government. We have responded as a government.

The response I gave in the course of the debate on the motion, I think, was clear. That is the extent to which the government is prepared to make changes. It has been done in consultation with the MLAs, I think that is a fair way to proceed and that is the way we are going to leave it at this time. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to assure the honourable Minister that I would not want to see collective bargaining negotiations take place in this Assembly either. There is a place for those issues. Just to be sure I understand the Minister, Mr. Speaker, do I understand he is saying the issue of indexing the rent formula and utilities charge could be a matter which is properly dealt with in the bargaining process, provided the union agrees?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the fact is there are many reasons why previous governments have chosen not to act on this particular strategy of getting the government out of staff housing and out of trying to set up a more equitable rent system across the territories. One of them, and I think all Members are aware, is that this undertaking is a huge, complex issue which involves trying to even out a situation which has taken 25 years to create. We have many factors and situations to consider. So, what would be fair to one sector may seem to be totally unfair to another.

There is absolutely no way, in my mind, as I said yesterday, we could completely satisfy everyone at the initial phase of this initiative. I think it is wrong for the media and for the Members to create the illusion that we should wait until absolutely everything has been considered

and addressed before launching anything because that is precisely the reason that many governments before us have failed to stand up and address this issue. We have reached an achievement which we all agree on which is, the initiative is timely, it has to be done now and it has been sufficiently worked out so it is now acceptable to launch. We have done it in consultation with Members.

It is my view that if we start making changes as early as January when Members became more initially indignant about many of the things we were suggesting, then I think we should have arrived today with the strategy totally in tatters. Strategically, there was merit and respect for due process that said wait until the session before changes were made. I think all Members are aware that had to be part of the plan. We would make changes as necessary because we know there is no way we could negotiate this launching of an initiative with the 100 per cent precision that some Members seem to indicate was possible.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

That was a wonderful speech, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is very eloquent. I would like to try to get back to the question I asked which I respectfully -- I remember the question still...

---Laughter

...but I do not think it was answered, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for those who may have forgotten my question after the long and eloquent speech, my question was, following the first response from the Minister, does he see this issue of adjusting the rental formula and the utility charges to reflect the disparities in the climate and the costs in communities as different as Grise Fiord and Fort Liard? Does he see the place to deal with that issue since he stated yesterday he thought all the issues could be dealt with by the government, through the collective bargaining process? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, yesterday in jest I suggested I felt like Little Red Riding Hood because the Member started off by saying it should be absolutely clear that he agrees with the objectives of the strategy. He spent the following 20 minutes making it very clear that he would be totally happy when the strategy was discarded. I said, "Are you sure you are the grannie you say you are?"

---Laughter

What big teeth you have, Dennis.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, the government and the Legislature have gone through a long process to get this initiative deal through in a manner which has some dignity and some integrity. I would say that the day after the debate here and the day after the motion is passed and the government has made a response, that it does not exactly fit the mood for the Member to continue to ask for additional concessions.

There should be some period of time to get this initiative under way, to give certainty to the employees, to the public and to the staff so they can get to work with a strategy and initiative that they know has been dealt with in this House. If in the course of the next few months there are additional issues which need to be dealt with in the view of the Members, then I think it is appropriate that it be brought up, but hardly the day after to be still badgering the government because the public will start to question if we have made up our minds or not.

Are there still other subsequent motions which are going to come up requesting more changes? The Member asked specific questions which were not brought up earlier in the discussions. The motion has been passed and the government has made a response. I think it is fairly appropriate to suggest we should respect that, at least for a couple of days.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to note something here. I think our rules are not based on individual Minister's philosophical preferences. The rules are fairly straightforward. If a Minister has a philosophical approach the Minister wants to put forward to the House, there is a Minister's statement format in which to give that. Question period is for Ministers to answer questions put by Members. Whether or not Ministers consider those questions appropriate does not take away the right for Members to ask those questions.

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Justice . It is again with regard to a certain individual in the women's correctional centre. The Minister wrote to me on March 3 with regard to the situation of how an inmate can stay in the north, even when they receive a sentence which is longer than three years. He refers to the Corrections and Conditional Release Act.

My question to the Minister is, under the present Corrections Act of the territories and the federal Corrections and Conditional Release Act, what are the requirements for an inmate to be released on day parole by those two acts? Do they differ? I understand if you serve two thirds of your term you can be released for good behaviour. On day parole, I believe it is after 50 per cent of your term you can be released on day parole to do work or training. I would like to know the criteria with regard to people going out on training or people who are on work release, unsupervised.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Members have been asking questions regarding a particular individual. I sense, from the questions, that the Members may feel this particular individual has received a fairly lenient sentence. There seems to be a strong implication. I will provide copies of the sentence, as it was handed down; the responsibilities and the decision on the placement of the individual; the rules regarding the time which people are supposed to spend in

cells, if they have to spend it in cells; what other privileges inmates may have regarding times for meals, education, physical exercise and other activities which are normally granted to people, regardless of their status in society; written rules regarding the conditions certain inmates can go about the community to perform certain jobs, whether they are required to be supervised and what type of supervision this would be; and, a written copy of what type of inmates are allowed out on their own and what type of activities, and specifically if inmates are allowed to attend an educational facility, who pays for the courses, who takes care of the transportation, whether they would be supervised in the classroom, and what other services available on the education campuses would be accessible to them to see if this would help the Members with the questions they are having.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question regarding the laws which govern inmates in the territories and the laws which govern inmates in a penitentiary. In the event an agreement is reached with regard to having the inmate serve their term, which is longer than two years in the territories, what laws govern them, the Federal Penitentiary Act or the Corrections Act of the Northwest Territories?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the institution where the inmate is serving her sentence is a territorial government institution. The legislation which governs the operations within the institution is territorial legislation. The employees who run and manage the institution are territorial government employees. When the exchange agreement was made it was clear that if the federal government wished to have an exchange with us, it meant very clearly they would turn over inmates to us, under our responsibility, under our legislation, under our employees and under our laws. Thank you.

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Question 481-12(3): Criteria For Day Release For Inmates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Time for question period has expired. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committee on the review of bills. Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Lewis .

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Tabled Document 92-12(3), which was provided for ordinary Members from the Department of Health officials which elaborates the problem we have with the AIDS virus in the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Pollard .

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, it is Friday, I wish to table Tabled Document 93-12(3), a cartoon. There is a remarkable likeness of Alan Vaughan in this cartoon, Mr. Speaker. The subject is sawmills and the caption is "Our costs on the sawmill project have levelled off and we expect soon we will see them start to decrease." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. Item 14, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 15, motions. Item 16, first reading of bills. Item 17, second reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 22:

An Act To Amend The Mining Safety Act

Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , that Bill 22,

An Act to Amend the Mining Safety Act , be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill would amend the Mining Safety Act to add a regulation making power respective fees payable under the act.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd , the motion is in order. To the principle of the bill.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 22,

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Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Reciprocal Enforcement Of Judgments Act

Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nunakput , that Bill 21,

An Act to Amend the Reciprocal Enforcement of Judgments Act , be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill would repeal the power of the Commissioner to make rules respecting practice and procedure under the Reciprocal Enforcement of Judgments Act.

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Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill.

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Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Reciprocal Enforcement Of Judgments Act

Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 21,

An Act to Amend the Reciprocal Enforcement of Judgments Act , has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to a committee.

Item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 2-12(3), The Justice House - Report of the Special Advisor on General Equality; Tabled Document 3-12(3), Report of the Commission for Constitutional Development; Bill 5,

An Act to Amend the Social Assistance Act ; Bill 17, Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94 ; Committee Report 10-12(3), Report on Tabled Document 21-12(3): Payroll Tax Act; Committee Report 11-12(3), Report on the Review of the 1993-94 Main Estimates; Committee Report 12-12(3), Report No. 4, Talking and Working Together; and, appearance by members of Commission for Constitutional Development, with Mr. Whitford in the chair.

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

The Chair

Tony Whitford

Good morning. The committee will now come to order. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent .

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I would like to recommend that we continue with Bill 17 , conclude Mr. Todd 's departments and then move into Personnel.

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

The Chair

Tony Whitford

We have a recommendation that we continue with Bill 17 and then move on to Personnel. Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

The Chair

Tony Whitford

We have agreement. Prior to continuation, I know it is your desire we take a 15 minute break and then reconvene.

---SHORT RECESS

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Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

The Chair

Tony Whitford

The committee will now come to order. The Minister responsible for WCB , do you care to make your opening remarks?

Workers' Compensation Board, Introductory Remarks

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Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present to the Assembly the Workers' Compensation Board's budget for 1993.

Numerous concerns were raised by Members of the Assembly during the last session, as well as by the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions when it reported in June, 1992.

I have taken steps to address the majority of these concerns, and I would like to outline them for you.

-A legislative review has been completed and tabled with this Assembly. The chief commissioner, Garnet Garven, reported to me on February 15 after meeting with representatives of workers, employers and others interested in improving and updating the Workers' Compensation Act. I have also undertaken to present this Assembly with a legislative action paper during this sitting.

-I have appointed a chairman and three directors. These appointments reflect my view that the board must be sensitive and open to the needs of all its clients.

-A new general manager was appointed on December 29, 1992. His mandate is to work with the board of directors to make the Workers' Compensation Board more efficient and accessible. Performance and service standards will be established for all divisions, and priority will be given to achieving optimum client service levels. Great emphasis is being put on affirmative action, and a comprehensive plan will be in place by year end.

-The groundwork has been laid for a memorandum of understanding between the Department of Renewable Resources and the board to provide workers' compensation coverage for hunters, trappers and fishermen.

-Given the concern about the increased assessment rates for 1993, the board recently announced significant improvements to its instalment payment policy. Employers can now pay four equal instalments over the course of a year.

-Finally, Mr. Chairman, the board is considering the introduction of a merit surcharge program. If such a program is introduced, employers with a superior accident record would receive a rebate on their assessment. Conversely, employers with poor accident records would be forced to pay a premium assessment.

The board's operating and maintenance budget for 1993-94 reflects zero growth. Expenditures for compensation, medical aid, pensions and rehabilitation are dictated by policy and legislation; therefore, a growth of 3.9 per cent is projected.

Mr. Chairman, I am anxious to work with this Assembly to introduce the changes in legislation and policy that will restore our Workers' Compensation Board to a leadership position. Thank you.

---Applause

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Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

The Chair

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Todd . Mr. Antoine , you will be presenting the report of the Standing Committee on Finance?

Comments By Standing Committee On Finance

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Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have our report of the Standing Committee on Finance on the Workers' Compensation Board.

The committee recognizes that the Workers' Compensation Board (WCB) must fairly compensate injured workers. However, we must recognize that with higher rates, for example, construction and mining, companies may experience great difficulty in paying these amounts.

The committee is also concerned about the board's office accommodations which appear excessive, as do the payments to board members. We remind the Minister that the WCB is paying a significant premium of over $1 million for the privilege and right to buy the office property which it currently occupies. The committee urges the WCB to review all areas and recognize that there is not a bottomless well of money out there.

It is time for the WCB to come down to earth and face current realities.

Mr. Chairman, there are a number of motions which I have here. I will begin with the first motion.

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Committee Motion 82-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 26

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 886

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

I move, the committee recommends that the Workers' Compensation Board review the financial implications and necessity of using the American Medical Association's guidelines and report to the Assembly accordingly. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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The Chair

Tony Whitford

Question has been called. To the motion. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

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Committee Motion 83-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 27

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Chairman, I move that the committee recommends that the Workers' Compensation Board take steps to reduce the cost of board operations.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

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Committee Motion 84-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 28

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the committee recommends that the Workers' Compensation Board work closely with the Department of Health to review the costs, benefits and feasibility of repatriating the rehabilitation program to the Northwest Territories.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

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Committee Motion 85-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 29

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Page 887

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one final motion. I move the committee recommends that the Workers' Compensation Board improve their affirmative action results.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

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Committee Motion 85-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 29

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Page 887

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This concludes the recommendations and motions of the Standing Committee on Finance. Thank you.

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