Debates of Nov. 29th, 1996

This is page numbers 54 - 86 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was nunavut .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

World Aids Day

Family Law Legislation

Mandatory Days Of Leave

Launch Of Income Support Program

Royal Commission On Aboriginal Peoples

Cuts To Cbc Northern Services

The Need To Work Cooperatively With Unions To Address Our Fiscal Concerns

Absence From The House

The Need For A New Wharf In Clyde River

Airport Construction Study Commissioned By The Hamlet Of Rae-edzo

The Need To Explore Alternatives To Civil Service Lay-offs

Concerns Regarding The Western Constitutional Proposal

Recommendations Made By Royal Commission

Journey Towards Division

Holiday Greetings

Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Tabling Discussion Paper On Departmental Amalgamations

Wildlife Officer In Hall Beach

Alternatives To Public Service Job Losses

Update On Regional Staffing In Fort Smith

Implementation Of Proposed Amalgamation

Formula Financing Negotiations

Clyde River Community Breakwater Project

Replacement Of Airport Equipment In Nanisivik

Impact And Timing Of Civil Service Lay-offs

Process For Lay-off Notification

Workplan For The Amalgamation Of Infrastructure

Funding For The Repair Of Airport Maintenance Equipment

Obligation To Conduct Meetings Under Gwich'in Comprehensive Claim

Definition Of Northern Residency Under The Bhp Socio-economic Agreement

Tabling Of The Workplan On The Amalgamation Of Infrastructure Departments

User Pay/ User Say Initiatives Contained In Bill 1

Status Of The Implementation Of The User Pay/user Say Initiatives

Funding For Gwich'in Oil And Gas Development

Yellowknife River Bridge Replacement

Supreme Court Justice For Nunavut

Status Of Transfer Of An Edo To Arctic Bay

Concerns Regarding The Leasing/sale Of Housing In Iqaluit

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Extended Adjournment

Formal Discussions And Response From The Federal Government On Constitutional Development For The Western Nwt

Move Td 13-13(4) Into Committee Of The Whole

Bill 3: Family Law Act

Bill 4: Children's Law Act

Bill 5: Adoption Act

Bill 6: Child And Family Services Act

Bill 7: Municipal Statutes Amending Act

Move Tabled Document 13-13(4) Into Committee Of The Whole

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. James Antoine, Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good morning. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ministers have a number of important statements ready for delivery. I would like to request the indulgence of the House to seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 34(6), which specifies a 20 minute time limit for ministers' statements. Thank you.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The ministers have not made their statements to suggest that they are going to be exceeding the 20 minutes. So, would you allow the process to proceed and if you require more time, request unanimous consent. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 9-13(4): World Aids Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Sunday, December 1st is World Aids Day. An international event to expand and strengthen the world wide effort to stop the spread of HIV and AIDS. This year the theme is One World, One Hope. People from all countries hope for a cure, a vaccine, an end to discrimination against people living with HIV/AIDS and an end to denial. As you are aware the Department of Health and Social Services recently released four documents which make up the HIV/AIDS framework for the Northwest Territories. These resources are new tools that communities and governments can use to deal with HIV/AIDS as the development community wellness plans.

Communities, regions and organizations can use these documents to develop their strategies to focus on: stopping the spread of HIV and sexually transmitted diseases through education and prevention; providing information about HIV and sexually transmitted diseases, testing to those who want it and counselling and treatment services to northerners living with HIV and AIDS; and providing community-based care and support for HIV-infected people and their families, caregivers and friends.

As part of the implementation plan for the HIV/AIDS framework, next week the department, in partnership with Health Canada and the Canadian Association for Community Care, will hold a two-day train-the-trainer workshop for home care coordinators and home support workers. The workshop will enhance the skills of home care workers and prepare them for caring for HIV-infected northerners in their homes.

Mr. Speaker, we know some northerners take risks with their health. As individuals, families, communities and governments, we all have a role to play in solving the problems we face. We can share information, ideas and experiences to develop our plans to address community problems. We can help ourselves.

World AIDS Day gives us the chance to talk and learn about HIV infection and ways to prevent it, such as practising safer sex, show compassion and understanding for people living with HIV and AIDS, and remember those northerners who have already died from AIDS-related illnesses. Mr. Speaker, the red ribbon we wear is a symbol of our hope, our compassion and our support as we raise awareness about this devastating disease. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 9-13(4): World Aids Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 10-13(4): Family Law Legislation

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been widely recognized for some time that the NWT legislation governing family law requires updating and reform. Family law and its renewal touches on the lives of everyone in the Northwest Territories.

For this reason, we involved and consulted with a broad spectrum of interest groups. We also spent considerable time researching customary family law as it applies to our northern aboriginal population. This process led to passing and implementing the Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act and resulting in the four bills I will introduce later today.

These bills I will introduce are the Child and Family Services Act, the Adoption Act, the Children's Law Act, and the Family Law Act.

The Child and Family Services Act provides a northern solution that allows communities to become responsible for child welfare issues at the local level. It builds on the desire to promote healthy communities that deal with child welfare matters according to community standards. Many aboriginal children were adopted under previous legislation and this made access to their records difficult. They are now seeking information about their birth parents and extended family. The Adoption Act proposes a more open process to facilitate searches and reunions when adopted children become adults.

The issues covered in the proposed Children's Law Act include the legal status of children, the establishment of parentage, custody of and access to children, guardianship of the estates of children, and child support. When parliament amends the Divorce Act to provide guidelines for child support, I will begin the process to change our legislation to harmonize the two schemes.

The main issues covered in the proposed Family Law Act are domestic contracts, spousal support, division of family property, and possession of the family home.

The proposed Children's Law Act and Family Law Act will modernize family legislation in the Northwest Territories and replace the following existing legislation: the Domestic Relations Act, Maintenance Act, Minors Act, Matrimonial Property Act, Extra-Territorial Custody Orders Enforcement Act, and parts of the Child Welfare Act dealing with the status of children and paternity.

In future, other legislation that relates to family law issues will be amended accordingly. Mr. Speaker, this is a comprehensive package of family law legislation. I look forward to these bills going before the Standing Committee on Social Programs and I am confident that this process will generate useful public consultation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 10-13(4): Family Law Legislation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd

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Minister's Statement 11-13(4): Mandatory Days Of Leave

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Employees have received payroll stuffers and electronic mail messages informing them of the mandatory days off, as well as, the effect this will have on their pay cheques.

Specific departments that will be shut down over the Christmas period are Northwest Territories Housing Corporation; Education, Culture and Employment; Finance; Safety and Public Services; Legislative Assembly; RWED; and Executive.

Offices in the Departments of Transportation; Justice; MACA; Public Works and Services; and, Health and Social Services will be closed but certain facilities and services will continue to function.

For instance, motor vehicle offices in Yellowknife and Iqaluit will be closed but their contract offices in other communities will remain open. Airport, highway and ferry services will also remain available. Correctional facilities and services will operate over Christmas. Public Works and Services will continue to provide building security and maintenance for government buildings.

As well, the Emergency Measures Organization, Fire Marshall and office of Municipal and Community Affairs will maintain their emergency phone numbers during the shutdown period. Health centres will remain open and health and social services will be advising clients and residents of the levels of service available in each community.

The government will be informing the public and clients of the shutdown period and the services available over that period through means such as posters, announcements, correspondence or advertisements in all communities. In addition, the Office of the Press Secretary will be issuing a news release advising of the Christmas shutdown period. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 11-13(4): Mandatory Days Of Leave

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 12-13(4): Launch Of Income Support Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Over the past several years, northerners have expressed concerns about the effectiveness of the social assistance program. In 1993, the Special Committee on Health and Social Services recommended that the program should do more to encourage pride, a desire to work, and a sense of initiative. The Minister's Forum on Income Support Reform received a similar message in 1995. After consulting with northerners, the forum recommended the program be linked to jobs and training in the wage and traditional economies, encourage people to make responsible choices and make the best possible use of the money available.

I am pleased to announce that a new income support program which follows these principles will be launched in January of 1997. Income support will be largely a transitional program designed to assist people who need help while they develop new skills to become more independent.

Community based workers will help those receiving income support develop careers plans and identify productive choices such as hunting, education, training and community service work. Elders and those who are unable to work will receive additional support. Changed administration of the program also means that those involved in productive choices may no longer have to visit the income support worker once a month to receive their cheques.

We feel that income support can be best delivered by the local community. Local control and delivery would allow each community to set their own

definitions of productive choices. This means the program will meet local priorities and use available resources in the best way possible to help people in need. Staff are prepared to work with interested communities on plans for training and transfer of responsibility as communities are ready. We hope to see transfers starting in the next few months.

The new income support program will provide basic benefits for people in transition who need financial help for a short time. Extended benefits will be available to people who need help over a longer period, if they are involved in activities that contribute to their personal or community growth. For example, productive choices may include training, academic upgrading or participation in healing programs. The individual and the income support worker will work together to develop an individual plan and then choose a productive activity that will help that person progress towards future goals.

The new income support program will bring together community resources to help people in need. By linking benefits to productive choices, it will help people develop the skills they need to become more independent.

The new program should be an important step in helping individuals and communities reach their goals. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 12-13(4): Launch Of Income Support Program

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 13-13(4): Royal Commission On Aboriginal Peoples

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples released its report on Thursday, November 21, 1996. The report is contained in six volumes and runs to almost 4000 pages. We should take pride in the fact that Mr. George Erasmus, a prominent Dene leader most of us have had the honour of working with over the years, co-chaired the Royal Commission. On behalf of the GNWT, I would like to congratulate him for his hard work over the past five years in producing this watershed report.

The report contains a

chapter on the north which will be of particular interest to people in the Northwest Territories. The Royal Commission's findings draw a strong connection between the northern economy, education and training and institutional development in the north. These are connections we are familiar with in processes such as division, western constitutional development and aboriginal self-government.

The recommendations in the report are aimed at creating a new relationship between Canadians and Aboriginal Peoples. I will not try to summarize their recommendations, Mr. Speaker. The Royal Commission itself produced a

summary which is 100 pages long.

Mr. Speaker, governments and Canadians have not had a chance to properly digest a report of this magnitude in the week or so since it was released. The Government of the Northwest Territories is now engaged in reviewing the report and considering the numerous and wide-ranging recommendations.

I want to stress that the Royal Commission report touches on all aspects of government operations and will engage the attention of all departments and agencies, not just the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs. We will need to take a coordinated approach within the Government of the Northwest Territories to review this important report so that, early in the new year, we will be in a position to respond to these Royal Commission recommendations that are relevant to the Northwest Territories.

One of the primary objectives of the Commissioners was to ensure that the report not disappear from view a few weeks or months after it was released. However, some people in the media have already suggested that the report will be shelved with most of the recommendations never implemented.

We must be prepared to immediately encourage a follow-up process with federal/provincial/territorial and Aboriginal governments so that the massive achievement of the Royal Commission is not ignored or wasted.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 13-13(4): Royal Commission On Aboriginal Peoples

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 14-13(3): Cuts To Cbc Northern Services

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is once again facing cutbacks throughout the country. CBC Northern Service Radio is slated for a cut of 28 percent by April 1st of next year, while Northern Service Television will be cut by 39 percent by April 1st, 1998.

It appears that the CBC is making decisions at the national level which show little regard for the realities of regions like the north. Regional programming, which attracts a limited audience in southern markets like Vancouver or Edmonton -- where commercial stations are also available -- are being considered in the same manner as regional programming in the North, where there are few commercial alternatives

Across-the-board cuts have a higher impact here in the north that any other region of Canada. It is simply not economical for private broadcasters to serve the diversity of people and cover the vast distances between communities in the north. CBC not only provides service to residents in almost every community, it also provides service in a variety of languages across four time zones.

I have already expressed this government's opposition to any substantial cuts to CBC Northern Service through letters sent to CBC Northern Service through letters sent to CBC chairman Perrin Beatty, Honourable Sheila Copps, Federal Minister of Canadian Heritage and the NWT's two Members of Parliament. I have also met with Minister Copps to discuss this government's concerns about the impact of the budget cuts.

My colleagues, the Honourable Manitok Thompson , Iqaluit MLA Edward Picco and Nunatsiaq MP Jack Anawak, recently met with Mr. Beatty to reinforce this message and to further explain the CBC's important role in providing broadcast services in aboriginal languages.

The cuts to CBC Northern Service are particularly significant in light of recent cuts to aboriginal broadcasters, including the Inuit Broadcasting Corporation, Native Communications Society and the Inuvialuit Communications Society. The federal government is cutting its support to these broadcasters by almost 15 percent in the current fiscal year and another three percent next fiscal year.

The Northwest Territories is quickly approaching an important point in its history. Division will raise many issues. Northerners must be fully informed so we can make the political decisions needed to carry us into the future. An easily accessible source of information, provided in the languages of the NWT, is more important than ever. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 14-13(3): Cuts To Cbc Northern Services

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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The Need To Work Cooperatively With Unions To Address Our Fiscal Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday we talked about and debated the direct link between education and job opportunities. However, the net result of discussions was that we had to do more. Government cannot create all the employment opportunities but it can provide the stimulus for

economic growth by the usage of tax credits, providing cost-effective re-training for the new reality of the 90s and beyond.

Mr. Speaker, it is easy for us to sit here and pontificate but we all know it is harder to actually make change. We need a process to discuss possible alternatives to downsizing. I know that we will be meeting as a Nunavut Caucus to talk about job-sharing, flexible hours of work et cetera in Iqaluit in the coming months, but we have to do something now that will carry on in the whole Northwest Territories before and during the run up to 1999. Mr. Speaker, this is not a grand standing ploy but an honest attempt to seek other solutions to impending job losses and hopefully find a workable solution.

As the MLA representing the largest community and the largest public service outside Yellowknife, I make this offer sincerely and with expediency. I do not want to see my family, friends, neighbours and constituents laid off. There will have to be lay-offs but these could be minimized with discussions, as I have outlined, with our NWTTA and UNW partners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Absence From The House

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translator) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to inform the members that I will be absent from this House this weekend and I will be back on Tuesday. I will be attending the meeting of Nunasi Corporation. Thank you.

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Absence From The House

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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The Need For A New Wharf In Clyde River

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translator) Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good morning to my colleagues. Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk about a wharf in Clyde River. In the past years, we have lost our two large boats and also we have lost more than our boats, because we do not have a proper wharf. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation about this. This question will be directed to the Minister of Transportation , if that is correct? Thank you.

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The Need For A New Wharf In Clyde River

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Airport Construction Study Commissioned By The Hamlet Of Rae-edzo

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned in my reply to the Opening Address, after nearly 25 years of lobbying this government, the Hamlet of Rae-Edzo has taken it upon itself to investigate ways of constructing an airport for the community of Rae-Edzo. To date the Hamlet has contracted a specialist to develop a geotech study to review alternative sites as well as to develop a socio-economic study to determine the benefits that could be achieved with an airport in the community.

To me, these are positive moves that will hopefully provide us with a badly needed facility. For years, this government has taken the position that Rae-Edzo does not need an airport because of the highway linkage. However, this does not really hold water as, traditionally, Rae-Edzo has been, and still is, the hub of the region for considerable trade taking place between all communities within the region. The Hamlet is now in the process of finding partners that understand our position or are willing to work with us to provide this very important life-line. I hope this government will find a way that they can assist the community with this worthwhile venture.

I would also like to say that, again, after many years of discussions between this government and the community of Rae-Edzo, I believe we are finally coming to agreement over the issue of an inadequate water and sewage system. I was, to say the least, sympathetic to my colleague's demonstration yesterday regarding the problems the city and he are having with the water and sewage system. It is important to realize that some of our infrastructures are aging and need repair and it should not be the community's full responsibility to repair our system.

I would like to believe that the Department of MACA will be prepared to take some responsibility. I just hope the talks with the community will continue and we will have some solution to this problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Airport Construction Study Commissioned By The Hamlet Of Rae-edzo

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements, Mr. Ootes .

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The Need To Explore Alternatives To Civil Service Lay-offs

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on comments made today by my honourable colleague, Mr. Picco , MLA for Iqaluit. Mr. Picco spoke about lay-offs in the civil service, an issue that is close to many people in my riding. Many of my constituents are government employees who fear they will lose their jobs to cut-backs or division. Others are business owners who fear the local economy will shrink for the same reasons.

Mr. Speaker, we must wrestle with the territorial debt. The civil service cannot expect to escape this process and jobs will be cut. However, I think Mr. Picco raised an excellent point when he asked whether we were doing enough to offer alternatives to lay-offs. For example, the Nunavut Implementation Commission's second report, Footprints 2 contains recommendations for sharing the benefits of a few jobs as

widely as possible. Footprints 2 talks about strategies like job-sharing and flex time. I agree with Mr. Picco when he says we need to explore options when dealing with cuts to the civil service.

Mr. Speaker, government employees have few reasons today to feel optimistic, especially these days. That lack of optimism affects the efficiency and operation of this government and, as a result, all people throughout the Northwest Territories. We are the architects of fiscal restraint policies but we are not its immediate targets and we have a responsibility to investigate alternatives to lay-offs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Need To Explore Alternatives To Civil Service Lay-offs

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Concerns Regarding The Western Constitutional Proposal

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This current government is being faced with many difficult decisions which will impact the people of the Northwest Territories for years to come. We are having to deal with such important issues as division, a new constitution, large-scale development and, less we forget, our deficit which is having a negative impact on many, many lives.

Mr. Speaker, the timing for us could not be worse. The task seems insurmountable. We are forced to resolve these issues for our residents and hopefully make the Northwest Territories a better place for all peoples. I am beginning to feel a sense of great distaste for some decisions that are being made. In a time when we should be unifying our people, we seem to be doing the opposite. We are degrading and dividing the people we are supposed to be representing.

This government has chosen to adopt a very paternalistic approach to aboriginal people which will only divide aboriginal and non-aboriginal. I draw attention to the socio-economic agreement this government has signed with BHP and the draft constitution as two examples of this approach. The socio-economic agreement contains clauses which require the company to hire certain percentages of aboriginals and northerners.

While I agree with the requirements to having a strong northern workforce, I have a question, Mr. Speaker -- what business is it of this government to require private companies to follow any form of affirmative action policy? Requirements such as this cannot help but degrade aboriginal people. We have aboriginal people who are more than capable of getting jobs on an equal footing to their fellow northerners. We have to stop telling aboriginal people by such statements, that they are not good enough. Is this what we are telling them when we protect jobs for them? You are not good enough to compete?

This can only cause racial disharmony and prejudice between the very people we are supposed to represent as a government. We have to have harmony among our people and we must do all we can to ensure that harmony in the future. We cannot afford to be prejudiced any longer and risk losing what we have gained.

The draft constitution has also raised feelings amongst our citizens of racial division. As a government, we cannot afford to sit back and allow our people to be divided along these lines. If we do, as a government, we will lose one of our responsibilities. One message that is coming back loud and clear is that this draft constitution does not give the people of the Northwest Territories an equal say. We are a government which is supposed to represent all its peoples. Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The member for Yellowknife South is seeking the unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent Mr. Henry .

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Concerns Regarding The Western Constitutional Proposal

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are a government which is supposed to represent all its people and I say that the time has now come that we stand up and be a government for all. We have no business dictating government policies in the public sector any more than we have business endorsing a constitution which will forever divide people in the Northwest Territories. This, Mr. Speaker, is totally irresponsible of the government and I urge my fellow members to endorse only that which will provide equality for every citizen. We cannot afford racism to become another issue and, if we do, it will be far beyond any solution this government can find. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Recommendations Made By Royal Commission

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples was released. It took five years to produce. The prime minister Brian Mulroney commissioned a $58 million enquiry after the 1990 Oka crisis in Quebec. The 4000 page document offers a 20 year plan and 440 recommendations to improve aboriginal lives in Canada. Already the federal government gave an appropriate response last Thursday to the report. Officials have given the five volume report and warned -- by native leaders across Canada who feel the report was quickly shelved and seriously doubted that any of the recommendations will ever be implemented.

The report confirms what every native person already knows all too well, that the majority of aboriginal people in Canada are at a clear disadvantage to the average Canadian. Here in the Northwest Territories, correction centres report, in March 1996, a 90 percent native admittance in the rate of sentenced crimes. The cost of taxpayers to keep one inmate locked up is approximately $80,000 a year. Health and social services clearly states that it is looking at developing new approaches to alcohol and drug program and intense community control, independency, and self reliance.

The Gwich'in Nation has recently developed a new approach to alcohol and drug programming through the development of the Tl'oondih Healing camp outside Fort McPherson. This is the first healing camp ever designed and delivered especially by native groups in Canada. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko , you have unanimous consent.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Hon. Kelvin Ng , Minister of Health and Social Services has stated that his department will not give core funding to the Tl'oondih Healing Society but, ironically, funds other similar programs up to $1 million a year. Furthermore, future funding for other facilities in Mackenzie Delta such as the Knute Lang Learning and Development Correction Centre that was promised to Aklavik and other similar communities were recently cancelled. This

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Journey Towards Division

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are faced with two difficult jobs which must be done at the same time and that must not be allowed to destroy each other. We are on a direct and rapidly moving journey to the division of the Northwest Territories into two territories. We are also, by our own legislation, bound to reduce this government's deficit so that these two territories will start with a balanced budget.

Mr. Speaker, either of these two jobs are very large and difficult to accomplish alone, to deal with both at the same time is more than doubly so. It is easy to believe that dividing something is to break it, to damage it and to make something worse. Our job, Mr. Speaker, is to show the people that we are creating new things that are, at least, as valuable as the ones they replace.

We need to the wisdom of Solomon, who make experience in deciding about the division of assets, and we need the patience, the determination and open honesty to our aboriginal brothers if we are to complete both of these jobs successfully. I welcome the Premier 's recognition of division as the number one priority for this government. We must ensure that the division process does not become a poor relative of the budget reduction process. We must make sure that the cutting of the budget is an open and fair process, clearly understood and accepted by the people of the Northwest Territories.

I see that we are counting the days of the division publicly. In the great hall outside of this chamber, this week, marks the beginning of the final journey to the destination. We are in a unique situation of being passengers and pilots at the same time. I would like to wish us all a safe and satisfying trip. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Journey Towards Division

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Holiday Greetings

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have many weighty issues before us as we have heard demonstrated in the last few days in the house. Concerns raised, issues with division and the budget. This is a short sitting so I would just like to take my few minutes today to maybe to take our mind off that issue, just for a minute. The Yuletide season is upon us and we are going to be leaving here soon. This may be our last day in sitting before the Christmas and New Year.

So, I would like to take this opportunity to wish the people of the Northwest Territories, my constituents and my family and of course, my colleagues and the staff a very happy and safe Christmas and New Year and my hope for the New Year is that we can continue to move forward to deal with some of these many issues in a cooperative way to get us to 1999, united and with a decent budget but that we will have to continue to work together. So I would like to wish you all the very best. Thank you, very much.

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Holiday Greetings

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements, Mr. Roland .

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Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I start off by sending greetings back home to my family. Mr. Speaker, I have mentioned at times in this House about the way we do business as a government and I ask myself, and in these areas, what is empowerment when it comes to the way we do business? Are we truly empowering the people of our communities, how they do their work? Are we empowering the paraments within our communities away from headquarters to be able to get the job done efficiently and effectively?

Recently, I have heard concerns being raised in our community, since we started travelling down this course of budget reductions and a community empowerment. Some departments within the community are saying that Yellowknife is actually taking back, not speaking of the city, but headquarters is taking back, some of the controls. I have some concern with that when we talk about empowering our communities, about letting the people make the decisions in our communities.

We say on one hand but on the other we make sure the knot is good and tight and we, as politicians here, are seeming to be the ones that lead the charge, we are the ones pushing for the change that is happening or the change that is not happening.

I think, Mr. Speaker, that we, as politicians, have to rise to the occasion and let people know that, yes, we are going to make some change and sometimes it takes a little while to get that change happening in the way we would like to see it happen but I think we, as politicians, need to start telling our staff, our hierarchy, especially in headquarters that community empowerment means just that. Communities, people in our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Members' statements - returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 10-13(4): Cost Of Heating Oil And Gasoline In Snare Lakes

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return, asked by Mr. Rabesca on November 27, Snare Lake fuel costs. The cost of fuel is particularly high in Snare Lake because of the cost of the winter resupply. The winter road to Snare Lake is connected to the government's winter road system by 100 kilometre trail that is built by the private sector. The cost of transporting goods on this stretch road is added to the cost of all materials brought in over the trail. This means the costs of all goods in Snare Lakes, including petroleum products, was higher than the surrounding communities. Fuel

prices in the communities supplied by the government are subsidized in the amount of approximately 6.7 million. However, I agree there is a need to rationalize the price structure to eliminate some of the inconsistency in fuel prices between the communities. Mr. Arlooktoo has agreed to review the price structure in the spring of 1997 in conjunction with the privatization initiative, to see if there is a way to lessen the burden on the communities, such as Snare Lakes. Thank you.

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Return To Question 10-13(4): Cost Of Heating Oil And Gasoline In Snare Lakes

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions, Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Question 11-13(4): Grounding Of Cruise Ship Near Gjoa Haven

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 60

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. On Wednesday, November 27, 1996, the member for Natilikmiot asked me about the grounding, this summer, of the M.V. Hanseatic in the Simpson strait off King William island and Gjoa Haven. The member was correct that the jurisdiction over marine affairs belongs entirely to the federal government and does not involve the territorial Department of Transportation. Regardless of the legal jurisdiction, the incident took place in northern waters and northerners have every interest in knowing what happened.

The Hanseatic went aground on the Simpson strait on August 29th and was caught there until the Canadian coast guard pulled her off on September 5th. Fortunately no serious consequences came of the grounding. No passengers or crew were injured and there was no loss of fuel or any other type of contaminants. It is still too soon to answer the member's question on the cause of the accident.

There are no fewer than four investigations in progress today. Transport Canada is investigating to determine, first of all, whether the accident involved any regulatory violations or infractions, and secondly, if there were any violations, whether prosecution is warranted. Transport Canada should finish this investigation early in the new year. The Canadian Transport Accidents Investigation Safety Board is examining the accident to identify the conditions and circumstances that led to it.

Due to the nature of its investigation, the Transportation Safety Board typically does not come out with its final report and recommendations until a year or more after the event. The Hanseatic is registered in the Bahamas and therefore the Commonwealth of Bahamas is conducting its own investigation into the incident. The Federal Republic of Germany is also investigating the incident because the Hanseatic is owned by a German company and officers in charge of the ship, as well as, most of the passengers were German. I do not know when the findings from these investigations will be available, Mr. Speaker.

We will probably find the report from the Transportation Safety Board the most informative and we will simply have to wait for it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 11-13(4): Grounding Of Cruise Ship Near Gjoa Haven

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 60

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Returns to oral questions, Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 24-13(4): Approval Of 1997-98 Main Estimates

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a further return to Question 24-13(4) asked by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South . I can inform the Members of this House that no lay-offs related to the 1997-98 budget will occur until after the main estimates are approved by this Assembly, this winter. It is important to note, however, that some employees may receive notice of lay-off prior to the approval of the budget. The provisions of the collective agreement entitle employees to a 90 day lay-off notice and these notices will have to be sent out over the next several months to ensure that all aspects of the budget can be implemented on April 1, 1997.

Final decision to implement specific measures are, of course, dependent on the decision of the Assembly with respect to the 1997-98 main estimates that will be considered during the winter session. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 24-13(4): Approval Of 1997-98 Main Estimates

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 60

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the comments made by my colleague earlier today, and the need to extend an olive branch to my colleagues in the union organization, I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas, President of the NWTTA and Ms. Jackie Simpson who is the President of the UNW. Thank you.

-- Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 60

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translator) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize my spouse and a resident of our community who is here to attend a meeting with the Aboriginal Headstart Program for Nunavut. I would like to recognize the two ladies up in the gallery. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 60

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a former co-worker of mine and a northern journalist who has just returned to Yellowknife after a two-year working stint in Rankin Inlet and I would like you to welcome and greet Marty Brown.

-- Applause

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Page 60

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Oral questions, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . The Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples report was released by the government. Already there is strong input and support from First Nations people that the government make a stand on this issue. The Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples provides that aboriginal people in Canada are clearly disadvantaged compared with the average Canadian socially and economically. What is the Premier

going to do to change the status quo for aboriginals in the NWT and also, not using the excuse, there is no money?

The Tl'oondih Healing camp is the first aboriginal funded running healing program in Canada that addresses the special needs of families of first nation people. As I stated, the minister of social services stated that he cannot give any core funding to this project in light of the fact that the department has already, and continues to, fund similar facilities in the Northwest Territories. The question is to the Premier , what is he going to do in regards to the Royal Commission Report and also how is he going to deal with these issues?

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Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Mr. Premier that was two questions.

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Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 61

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As far as an official government response to the Royal Commission Report on Aboriginal Peoples, Mr. Antoine is coordinating a response for Cabinet to consider and hopefully we will be able to consider that in the very near future. As far the Tl'oondih Healing centre issue, that is a health issue which Mr. Ng is working on. Myself, Mr. Todd and Mr. Ng have met with Mr. Krutko and representatives of the healing camp in his area. My understanding is that they are working on that issue with the people from that area right now. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral question, supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Supplementary To Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the other point about the whole question of disparity that has been noted in the report on aboriginal people in Canada and the Northwest Territories in regards to the social and economic conditions that they are under to bring them up to par with other Canadians and also finding funding to ensure that. What is the Premier going to do in regards to the funding side of it?

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Supplementary To Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Further Return To Question:30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Question 30-13(4): Issues Raised By The Royal Commission Report

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 61

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, Mr. Speaker, the questions on the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples Report and, as I said previously, the government, through Mr. Antoine , who is responsible for aboriginal affairs, is coordinating a response for Cabinet from all the departments to see how we can respond to the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples Report. So, we are working on that and I do not have answers of detailed dollars it would cost or anything for the member today.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I previously said, we, as a government, are coordinating a response to this report. Once Mr. Antoine has finished coordinating that response and brought it to Cabinet then we will develop a strategy on how we will approach the federal government, as well as, other jurisdictions in this country. Thank you.

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Question 31-13(4): Tabling Discussion Paper On Departmental Amalgamations

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Premier . Can the Premier tell us if he will table today the discussion paper on the proposal for amalgamation of the departments of Public Works, Housing and Transportation?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As members are fully aware, we agreed on a process to follow on decisions and directions that this government would be taking, along with members and having open dialogue with members of the Legislative Assembly. We agreed on this process last fall. We as a government are very committed to the process. Cabinet has approved a work plan for amalgamation of those three departments. I have sent that work plan to the Government Operations Committee. Government Operations will, I am sure, have a lot of good suggestions and advice on the amalgamation of those three departments to Cabinet, as well as, other people in the Northwest Territories.

So, once my minister responsible for that amalgamation, Mr. Goo Arlooktoo meets with Governments Ops, we also fully plan on sharing the amalgamation paper with all the stakeholders in the Northwest Territories. That would be municipalities, communities, unions and every other stakeholder that is interested. I am sure that we will get good advice back from those people. Then we will be tabling it in the House in January as we have already committed to do and then look forward to open debate and more advice, again, from members, from the House and then we will continue to proceed. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Premier would take under advisement that we did discuss this as members and we would like to have the document tabled into the House today. I wonder if the Premier will do that.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

I thank the member for asking me to take that under advisement. I will take that under advisement. Thank you.

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Oral question supplement, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I am frustrated with the Premier 's answer on that. I do not know why he needs to take it under advice. The question is, will he table it in the House today, Mr. Speaker? I would like to have it tabled in the House today.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize to the member if I frustrate him. But if you ask clearer questions, then you get clearer answers. I advise the member to do that in the future. I would not want to supersede or go against what all the members of this Legislative Assembly agreed to, a process. I am fully committed to the process and, as I said earlier, we do have a work plan now of how to carry amalgamation. That has been approved by Cabinet.

I have sent it to Government Ops and Government Ops will make recommendations to the government, as well as, all the stakeholders will get it and they will make recommendations as well and it will also be tabled in the Legislative Assembly in January. I will make sure that all members of the Legislative Assembly get a copy as well. Then they can raise concerns or give us advise to assist in the amalgamation of these three departments. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral question, final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, Mr. Speaker. From the information we have been provided with, we have been told that Public Works expects to have most of the reductions made before January 1st, 1997. So, it is rather fruitless to discuss this in January, February. Hence the reason for the need to table this document today, so that we can discuss it in public before all the members. It was decided today, by members of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, that we wish to have this document tabled today. I am asking the Premier , again, if he will reconsider tabling this document today.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is news to me that Public Works would have all this work done by January 1st, 1997. I do not think so. Let me state once again, Mr. Speaker, that we have worked on the work plan. We have talked to members about that already and that is a plan of how you can amalgamate. That does not mean the details are thrashed out. Cabinet has approved that. We have sent it to Government Operations, and we are looking forward to the Government Operations making recommendations, and the minister will meet with Government Operations. We are committed to consultation with the stake-holders.

We will then table that document in the House in January, we will move on to get the job done with all that good advice and recommendations everybody has. That is the process that all members of this Legislative Assembly agreed to, I am not going to stand here and say that I am going to pre-empt that process. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 32-13(4): Wildlife Officer In Hall Beach

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Renewable Resources. We know that we are representing our constituents, and when we speak for the constituents, we do not like to answer "no". They would like to get a wildlife officer in their community. The wildlife officer for Igloolik is responsible for Hall Beach, but it takes a long time for this person to go to Hall Beach. They were wondering if they would be able to get a wildlife officer for Hall Beach?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The minister responsible for Resource, Wildlife and Economic Development. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the department has tried through the exercise of amalgamation, to lead the present contingent of economic development officers, renewable resource officers, that are presently allocated to communities, to have those unaffected. It is not possible to say that we will increase the numbers that we have.

It is possible to look at possible re-deployments or to transfer positions where they are available, and where they are currently existing - to have these transferred to communities as part of transfer agreements, as part of block funding, so in that context I am prepared to look at the request by the community as stated by the member, and see what we can do within that context. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 33-13(4): Alternatives To Public Service Job Losses

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my member's statement, I asked about the job-sharing and flexible hours of work et cetera to help minimize the job losses that we foresee coming up in the new realm of 98 million dollars, Mr. Todd talked about yesterday, being slashed.

My question is for the Premier , who has the responsibility for personnel. Has the Premier looked at these alternate solutions to job losses? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that in the very near future, there is going to be a major conference going on in the member's riding on this whole issue. We are very committed to this conference, as a matter of fact, it is in the tune of 100,000 dollars we have committed.

I listened with great interest to the member's statement, I believe that Mr. Todd will have to take those issues up with the union and our employees. They may be acceptable to them, then again they may not, I do not know that. But it is something worth exploring. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said in my member's statement, that conference has been initiated by NIC and it's main focus will be on the workplace that we will find ourselves in after the vision in 1999. Thus my earlier question, if the Premier was looking at this, so I guess, he is not. So my supplementary question then, to the Premier is, when will he be looking at it for the GNWT of 1996-97-98 and the first 3 months of 1999? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding from information that I got from my colleague in charge of FMBS that we have been looking into this, and that is one of the main reasons that we contributed so heavily in the $100,000 range, to this conference. I know the conference is sponsored by NTI, and I know also that it is for the Nunavut government, what they were looking at for the Nunavut government after April 1, 1999. But recommendations are recommendations, maybe we can adapt some of those recommendations and use them before then, in this case. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Oral questions, supplementary. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not trying to be adversarial to the Premier , and in my member's statement I tried to say that I was asking in sincerity. If FMBS is looking at it and he just found out it is, is it possible then, to get a copy of the working document that FMBS must be working from? Or, as the Premier is the minister responsible for personnel, I find it very surprising that he is not aware of any kind of discussion. So, maybe, my supplementary question to the Premier is, when will he make available the working document that this government is preparing to use next month in Iqaluit for the NIC conference?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Picco , I must rule your question out of order. Perhaps you might want to rephrase your question as to whether there is such a document, but you cannot ask for a Cabinet document.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there a such a document, does he have said document?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

You are welcome, Mr. Morin , but, I did not hear a response.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Well, it took three questions to get that out, maybe then, my final supplementary question to the

Premier would be, when will he begin discussions with our partners, the organized labour, the UNW and the NWTTA to talk about flexible job hours, job sharing, so we can minimize the job cuts. When will the Minister for Personnel begin these discussions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Okay. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once we have gone through the process of this conference in Iqaluit, through NTI, get some ideas from that. Once we see that, then we will try to talk to the unions. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 34-13(4): Update On Regional Staffing In Fort Smith

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I would like the minister to update this House on some staffing action that apparently is taking place at the regional office level in Fort Smith, if you could, please.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable member is referring to social services staffing in the regional Fort Smith office, and that is what I will respond to. Lay-off notices have been given out to the four of the six employees that work in the regional office based in Fort Smith. The lay-off notices have been given to the administrative positions within that regional office as it stands now, in anticipation of establishment of delivery structures in the Deh

Cho, in the Dogrib Board and the South Slave and other Mackenzie areas, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would he just clarify which four positions were given lay-off notices and were any of those lay-offs transfers or clear lay-offs? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the four positions, as it stands now, that have been given the lay-off notices are the regional superintendent's position, the manager of human resources position. Those two positions will not be required, as a result of some of the responsibilities being passed on, as I had indicated earlier, to some of the other restructuring within the Mackenzie Services Region, and the two positions of the Finance and Admin Officer, and the clerical position, those duties, we anticipate will be absorbed with the establishment of the structures in the other areas, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that the South Slave region would be the only region at this point without any kind of regional presence. I wondered if the minister could indicate how they intend to provide that coordinating effort where there is still a need between communities with funding issues, with administration, with program implementation.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As indicated, there are some program positions, like the regional psychologist, the regional alcohol and drug, community and mental health specialist positions that will continue to be based in Fort Smith but will have more of a regional focus. I would see that they would be providing services to the other regions, the other areas I should say, in the region. The coordination would come through the boards of management that would undertake to work off those arrangements in these specific areas, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 35-13(4): Implementation Of Proposed Amalgamation

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Premier . Knowing that there is a lot of concern out there about the proposed amalgamation of the three departments as has been talked about for a bit in the communities, as well as, within government. Can the Premier inform this House if any part of the discussion paper on the amalgamation of the three departments will be implemented before committees have a chance to review? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me assure the members of this Legislative Assembly of what I have said earlier. The work plan has been approved by Cabinet. The work plan goes to Government Operations and it will not be implemented until we have gone through Government Operations and gone through consultation. There will be no lay-offs and, let me say that again because I have heard members say that to me - worried about lay-offs happening already - there are no lay-offs as it relates to amalgamation. This is the early stage of amalgamation; develop the work plan while you get from point a, b, c, d and so on.

It is going to be presented through Government Operations so that we have full input from members on this plan prior to proceeding. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 36-13(4): Formula Financing Negotiations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . Can the minister inform this House as to when the gross expenditure base for both territories will be discussed with Mr. Martin and, also, will the minister consider allowing an ordinary member from the east and the west to attend these meetings with him?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , two questions.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, as I said in my statement yesterday or the day before, I was fairly clear that we intend to meet with Mr. Martin in, hopefully, early December. That in my previous discussions with Mr. Martin, we were trying to determine an appropriate process, participation, time lines as they relate to developing two new gross expenditure bases and I have not, at this time, been able to get a definitive answer from the Finance Minister for Canada. I am optimistic that we will get it in the next short while. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That answered part of my question. The second part of my question was, will the minister consider allowing an ordinary member from the east and one from the west to attend these meetings with him.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is not an appropriate process first of all. However, I do recognize that there is a concern, as has been expressed to me on our Ordinary Members' Caucus discussions and I thought I was clear there that what we are trying to develop is a process for participation by the west and by the east with respect to developing the time lines, the rules of engagement if you want, with respect to a formula for those gross expenditure base agreements. So, while I applaud the member for his suggestion, it would not be appropriate at this time. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker. When will this process that the minister refers to be completed?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, I thought I had addressed that in the first question that my honourable colleague had asked me. That is, the process, for the umpteenth time, will be determined in discussions with Mr. Martin. I am attempting to have a meeting with Mr. Martin in early December and when Mr. Martin has advised me of the process for participation and the time lines, I will be sharing that, not only with this Assembly, but the whole of the Northwest Territories.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Mr. Speaker, the minister that I was going to ask is not in the House at the moment and I will defer my question. Thank you.

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Question 37-13(4): Clyde River Community Breakwater Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 65

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I indicated in my short member's statement that I will be asking questions about Clyde River breakwater to the Transportation Minister , Honourable Mr. Antoine . Mr. Speaker, my first question to the minister is - is the Clyde River breakwater in the budget for 1996/97? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Clyde River community breakwater project is in the capital plan. For 1996/97, there are some funds there for this current year for preparing a final design for this breakwater. Thank you.

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