Debates of Feb. 28th, 2006

This is page numbers 1413 - 1460 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ottawa Meetings

Housing Market Forums

Funding For Metis Organizations

Human Resource Sole Source Contract

Responsive Housing Policies And Legislation

Transportation Services For Small Communities

Use Of Traditional Knowledge For Caribou Management

WCB Assessment Rates For Quick Service Restaurants

Tourism 2010 Plan

Need For Airport Authority For Yellowknife

Interim Report On Mental Health And Addictions Services In The Nwt

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Impacts To Communities Along Mackenzie Gas Pipeline Route

Airport Authority

School Transportation Services

Tourism 2010 Plan

Barren-ground Caribou Management Strategy

GNWT Fiscal Management

Corridors To Canada - Coast To Coast

Review Of Mandate And Programs

Addictions And Mental Health Counsellors

Tourism 2010 Plan

Written Question 35-15(4): Human Resource Sole Source Contract

Written Question 36-15(4): Risk Of Bird Flu In The Nwt

Tabled Document 101-15(4): Communities And Diamonds 2005 Annual Report Of The GNWT Under The Bhp Billiton, Diavik And De Beers Socio-economic Agreements

Performance Audit Of The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation

Item 16: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 17: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 17:

An Act To Amend The Public Colleges Act

Item 19: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Welcome to our guests in the gallery today. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 85-15(4): Ottawa Meetings

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide Members with a brief update on meetings held this past week in Ottawa.

On Friday, February 24th, I had a lengthy and productive meeting with the Honourable Jim Prentice to discuss the challenges and opportunities facing the Northwest Territories. As the new Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and as the Minister responsible for the Mackenzie gas project, Minister Prentice will be a key player in our efforts to resolve several important issues for the Northwest Territories over the next two years.

With regard to the Mackenzie gas project, we specifically discussed the need to move forward with legislation to implement the $500 million socio-economic impact fund. I emphasized our support for this initiative among the federal, aboriginal and territorial governments, and explained its importance in addressing the socio-economic impacts for those aboriginal communities along the pipeline route. While Mr. Prentice did not provide specific commitments, I was pleased with his understanding of the importance of the fund and am optimistic he will address this matter in the short term.

We also had an opportunity to discuss devolution and resource revenue sharing negotiations. I explained our position on the outstanding issues, including the most critical issue holding up these negotiations: an agreement on fair sharing of the resource revenues. I said we were encouraged by the commitment expressed by both the Prime Minister and Minister Prentice during the election campaign to ensure northerners were the primary beneficiaries of northern development. This important commitment is reason for real optimism that working with the new government will lead to successful agreements that have eluded us in the past.

Minister Prentice and I agreed to work cooperatively towards resolution of these negotiations. With respect to an agreement on resource revenue sharing, these discussions will also include the new federal Minister of Finance , the Honourable Jim Flaherty. Mr. Roland will be seeking a meeting in the near future with Mr. Flaherty to discuss these and other important fiscal issues facing our government.

We discussed two national agreements that will impact greatly on many residents in the Northwest Territories. I first expressed our continued support for the principals of the Kelowna First Ministers' Agreement to close the gap between the social and economic conditions for aboriginal Canadians and other Canadians.

We are committed to working with the national government to find ways to implement the commitments made to aboriginal Canadians in the Kelowna Accord. I reiterated our support for the agreement reached to compensate residential school survivors and hope that the new federal government will implement this agreement as soon as possible.

Mr. Speaker, the initial meeting with Minister Prentice allowed for a productive exchange of views on critical issues facing the territory. This knowledge of the key issues facing the Northwest Territories and his willingness to work cooperatively to address these issues are reasons for optimism.

On Friday evening, the Premiers of all provinces and territories were invited to an informal dinner meeting with Prime Minister Harper. At this meeting, we discussed key national issues, including a fiscal imbalance, post-secondary education funding and national childcare agreements.

On Saturday morning, the three territorial Premiers met with Prime Minister Harper to discuss key territorial issues. It was a cordial and productive meeting. I raised the Mackenzie gas project and devolution and resource revenue sharing negotiations with the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister made clear his understanding of the importance of the Mackenzie gas project not only to the Northwest Territories, but to the country as a whole. With respect to resource revenue sharing, the Prime Minister again stated his view that northerners must be the primary beneficiaries of northern resources and his commitment to work cooperatively to resolve this issue.

Mr. Speaker, these meetings were an initial opportunity to meet with both the Prime Minister and Minister Prentice to discuss key issues for the Northwest Territories. While they were not forums to negotiate or to resolve issues, I was pleased to have this early opportunity to meet and exchange views. I was encouraged by the meeting and impressed with the knowledge and understanding of the key challenges and opportunities facing the Northwest Territories. We welcome the commitment of the Prime Minister and Minister Prentice to work together to move forward on our key priorities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 85-15(4): Ottawa Meetings

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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Minister's Statement 86-15(4): Housing Market Forums

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, today I rise to update the Legislative Assembly on upcoming housing meetings in regional centres.

Over the next couple of months, the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation will be conducting housing market forums in three communities. The dates and locations are: March 28th in Inuvik; March 30th in Hay River; and, April 4th and 5th in Yellowknife. The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation is assisting CMHC with the planning for these meetings.

Mr. Speaker, the purpose of the housing market forums is to bring together housing industry stakeholders to provide market updates and to generate discussion and feedback on this information. CMHC has continuously gathered housing market data for Yellowknife. For the first time, CMHC has collected specific information on the emerging market housing communities of Inuvik and Hay River and this baseline data will be presented at the forums.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation will also be conducting regional housing workshops in Fort Simpson and Norman Wells in late March. Representatives of CMHC will be in attendance and I will be working with Mr. Yakeleya and Mr. Menicoche on the planning of these meetings. These workshops will stimulate discussion on community and regional allocations and will help communities focus their housing decisions. The Housing Corporation will consult with communities on significant housing issues, such as the lack of available and suitable land and the processes required for land development.

Mr. Speaker, housing needs are one of the foremost priorities of communities. These housing meetings provide opportunities for housing industry stakeholders to work together in exploring housing solutions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 86-15(4): Housing Market Forums

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Funding For Metis Organizations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, during the review of the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs, I made it clear that I am frustrated with the way the Metis organizations are funded. In my way of thinking, Mr. Speaker, the Metis are forgotten people in the Northwest Territories. The federal government clearly only recognizes the rights of the Metis people when it suits them and when there is no cost to government to do so.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has made a point of recognizing Metis as First Nations people. They have instituted a Health Care Program that is equivalent to what is available to the people under the national Health Benefits Program. I am very happy when they did this. However, Mr. Speaker, whenever I think of the fact that Metis people are not eligible for the university or college entry programs, or the UCEP program as it's called, I am no longer happy.

This is a greater understanding on the part of the ordinary Canadians of the plight of the aboriginal people in Canada. They understand that many aboriginal Canadians live in poverty. They do not have access to clean drinking water or sanitation services and are marginalized when it comes to accessing health and education services.

What I don't think Canadians are aware of is the fact that some of the Metis people live alongside the First Nations people in the same economic and poverty-stricken conditions. Again, Mr. Speaker, the Metis are the forgotten people in the North.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I want to say to this government that they are very serious about treating the Metis people as First Nations people. They need to examine how Metis organizations are funded. They need to introduce an equivalent program, so that Metis residents of the Northwest Territories can prepare for college and university as they need to do all they can do as a government to ensure that the Metis people have and will take their rightful place in the social fabric of Canada. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Funding For Metis Organizations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Human Resource Sole Source Contract

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to use my Member's statement today to again bring up the issue of FMBS somehow discussing $450,000 to sole source a contract to a Florida-based company. The $450,000 was found in various pockets of the FMBS operation, which, Mr. Speaker, ironically enough, happened during a government-wide budget reduction.

How can FMBS sleep at night? They sent every department scrounging, Mr. Speaker, for peanuts; a one percent reduction exercise. How is this fair, especially to the smaller departments? How can the government reduce spending by one percent in all departments knowing full well that all departments do not have the same ability to find these pockets of cash that FMBS somehow seems to find?

The Minister acknowledges that this American firm specializes in supporting businesses and organizational transformation and that the necessity to sole source a contract to them came as a direct result of the amalgamation of our HR functions. Once the centralization of the various departments was complete, only then did he, and everyone else for that matter, realize what a mess we had on our hands. Now in order to help fix the mess, we have to spend $450,000. The Minister may not want to elaborate on what the problems are, but, Mr. Speaker, some departments of this government were allowed to sit on personnel files for years.

It is very evident to me that some departments were, in fact, negligent in their duties. The new HR department has just inherited all of these issues and problems. What

departments did the problems come from? Who can be held responsible? After seven months of physically leaving our public service, a constituent of mine recently has finally received all of the pension and severance she was entitled to and can actually retire.

Mr. Speaker, in my opinion, we have to learn a lesson from this. We have to go back to the departments that sent the problems, that didn't do the work, that allowed issues to fester and didn't know what they were supposed to do. No wonder deputy ministers wanted control over HR. Some of them should be completely embarrassed over the state of the HR and pay and benefits divisions that they sent to the amalgamation of HR. The departments that sent the incomplete files, the backlog, the problems, that's where FMBS must go to get the $450,000 the review is now costing us. Who is sending the message here?

Someone has to be held accountable for the state of our HR department. Departments were allowed to just get away with not doing their jobs and I find it completely unacceptable that our only solution is to spend $450,000. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Human Resource Sole Source Contract

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Responsive Housing Policies And Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about the mandate and programming review of the NWT Housing Corporation. I would just like to remind this House, the corporation was enacted by legislation in 1978 and this is an old act. It is from a distant, archaic and colonial past.

The way that the program and policies run is that we tell our people we know better than you; we will do it for you. It removes freedom and flexibility from any clients in the Housing Corporation. I think today, in 2006, we should make homeowners true homeowners, Mr. Speaker. Often we give mortgage loans to clients, but we have to build it for them. I think today that, like any other loans we give to anybody, with ITI or BDIC, we offer loans and we provide them the loans; we don't tell them what trucks to buy or how to purchase investments for their businesses. It should be the same.

The client should make the decisions on the type of home they get and they should be getting their own general. They should be hiring their own contractors to build their own homes to their satisfaction, Mr. Speaker. Their own choice. That's all they are asking; to have their own choice to have adequate construction and inspection proceeds for their houses.

That is all our constituents ever asked, is to be heard and to be in control of their own futures. In fact, I had one constituent with a new home being built next door and that person has no say in construction, but they are there. They see there are some inconsistencies, yet they really can't do anything, Mr. Speaker. Anywhere else in the world, when you're given money, you have control over your money and you can say what is built, what is inadequate or what is adequate. Once again, Mr. Speaker, I urge this House, this Minister and this government, to have flexible current policies for our constituents. Mahsi cho.

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Responsive Housing Policies And Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Transportation Services For Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) I would like to talk about the investment for the future. Today, we have concerns regarding education, even the hydro projects. We have problems with that and we have concerns in our community. The young children of today are our most important people for our future. Mr. Speaker, the communities of Gameti, Wekweeti and Whati have many concerns for the safety of their children walking to school, especially in the dark because there are sightings of wolves and grizzlies around the community. They even kill the dogs in the community, so the people are concerned in their community.

We just heard of the caribou decreasing in size. This is the wolves' food, so we have concern about that. If they are decreasing, there is a concern that the wolves are starving. Here in Yellowknife, parents have the option of sending their children on the bus, or the parents drive them to school with their own vehicle. So they don't have any worries of wild animals. We don't have those kinds of concerns here in Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, the communities of Gameti, Wekweeti, and Whati do not have school bus services. We are requesting whether we can have a van or a bus.

The parents and grandparents are very concerned about their children and grandchildren. The government has a lot of money. By rights, we should be investing our monies into our future children. Today, we are asking for two vans that they can use before we have a tragedy in the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Transportation Services For Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Use Of Traditional Knowledge For Caribou Management

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today, I wanted to continue to express my dismay at the Department of Environment and Natural Resources' bull-headed approach to the implementation of the seven immediate and what somewhat seems inappropriate and unnecessary actions to address the decline of caribou numbers here in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure what the Minister was referring to last week when he responded to my question about why the Department of Environment and Natural Resources are allowing resident hunters to hunt bulls only. The Minister responded, and I quote, "There sure is a lot of bull in that question," Mr. Speaker.

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Use Of Traditional Knowledge For Caribou Management

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Shame! Shame!

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Use Of Traditional Knowledge For Caribou Management

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I don't believe that information from the very experienced aboriginal elderly hunters and trappers say about why not to shoot bulls only should be construed as a lot of bull. Mr. Speaker, I don't think this Minister fully understands the importance that this kind of traditional knowledge and advice offers to this

government. I believe that, if he did understand why this government should listen carefully and adhere to this type of traditional advice from our people, we would not be in this predicament that we are in today.

So I say to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources today, pay heed, Mr. Minister. Not only do all the biologists, consultants and bureaucrats who expeditiously present their reasoning and rationale to addressing wildlife concerns with good intentions, no doubt, but pay very close attention to what people who have lived all their lives with the wildlife since time immemorial are saying, instead of brushing their advice aside in order to make way for the scientific approach, which, in many instances, only works on paper and not in the real world, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Use Of Traditional Knowledge For Caribou Management

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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WCB Assessment Rates For Quick Service Restaurants

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you may recall, we started this session on February 1st with concerns of many franchise businesses speaking out against the ever skyrocketing WCB rates. Mr. Speaker, the Minister took questions in this House and told us that the governance council was meeting in Yellowknife. I assume that we would have received his answers by now. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, we are February 28th now, with two days left to go in this session, and we are still scrambling to find time for a meeting between the businesses and the governance council and the Minister afterward.

I have no idea what the outcome will be. We need to remember that meetings cannot be an alibi for inaction and indecision. At this point, Mr. Speaker, I have to believe that the good chair on the governance council will do right by these businesses and not spend the meeting defending why the things are the way they are and why they have to continue on with the status quo.

Mr. Speaker, if we are to understand the grand purpose and goodwill of an insurance system, as a workers' compensation system is, it is that the businesses pay to the system to be prepared in case of worker's injury and fatalities and that the advantage of an insurance system is to share and spread the cost across the board.

Where one sector of the membership keeps seeing a 25 percent or more rates increase year after year, the governing body has to look at how to address that situation and make adjustments to address this situation and improve it, whether it be a specific business, subgroup, or the WCB system as a whole, and that, even without being asked to, Mr. Speaker, in my opinion. This is what franchises are looking for from the governance council and the Minister. I believe these are eminently reasonable and sensible positions.

I would like to, once again, challenge the governance council to do right by the businesses. After all, Mr. Speaker, they are the very backbone of our community. If the outcome is not going to change the system for the better, I could give plenty notice to the Minister that I would expect the Minister to take an action and no more speaking about that is not my department; I am just a Minister and can't do anything about that. I just want to give the Minister proper notice today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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WCB Assessment Rates For Quick Service Restaurants

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Tourism 2010 Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. A few words this morning about our tourism industry and the welcome news yesterday, Mr. Speaker, that the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment has a very bold plan to top up current government investment by $1 million a year. We want to lever that into almost $3 million a year in new annual investment in tourism. The goal is to increase overall tourism spending over the next five years by 50 percent. That is a very lofty goal, probably attainable, but it is going to take some work and some investment and a lot of heart. A lot of heart is what the people who own and run our tourism businesses have.

Mr. Speaker, I have been involved in the tourism industry. I have owned a tourism related business myself and I know the hard work, the dedication and the rewards that come from it. So this is a welcome gesture from this department.

Mr. Speaker, there are a couple of areas that I hope that, as this tourism plan called Tourism 2010 evolves, we can invest some new energies in a couple of specific areas that I don't see a lot of mention in.

Mr. Speaker, something that I have talked about frequently is the importance of festivals and events, not only to the cultural life and enhancement of our communities, but it is a very genuine way of showcasing who we are and what we are to the world. We are unique. We are special. We are very worth coming and seeing. I would advocate that putting our support, money and strategies specifically behind this area would have a great return.

Also, Mr. Speaker, conventions and meetings, I think, are a very viable aspect of the tourism industry that is under its 11th different study right now to see whether or not we can do something. There is a great viability there.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the arts and the arts and crafts sectors. We have a shared strategy between two departments. There is a lot more mileage that we can get out of this area, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much.

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Tourism 2010 Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Need For Airport Authority For Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Member's statement today is about the need for an airport authority. In the context of grassroots governance, Mr. Speaker, we have health and social services authorities; we have boards for education; we even have the WCB Governance Council, Mr. Speaker; so it is time to consider an airport authority.

We need to empower the airport to act like a business in a business manner, Mr. Speaker. Let businesses tell the authority what they need so they can respond more effectively. Let's give the authority that strength that they can come forward with ideas to help operate and run the airport in a businesslike way. It would respond better to the customers' needs. Let's face it. The airport needs to operate more like an authority under the business context because they could be proactive in meeting the needs such as the clients that fly through the airport everyday. They could help bring out tourism.

They could even help with the city of Yellowknife to develop services out there. So it is about responding to customer and client needs, Mr. Speaker. Let's expand the business opportunities where we can give the airport authority the tools so they can encourage businesses out there. Let the airport authority focus on what they do and what they do best, running airports, Mr. Speaker, and they can run it in a businesslike mandate way. It would give them proper focus. Let the authority work and encourage circumpolar flights that could land here in Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker.

This could encourage much needed revenue in our territory.

The Edmonton Airport Authority acknowledges the role that they play in economic development for businesses. They say supporting the economic growth of regions demands that we show financial and business leadership.

Mr. Speaker, I think that truly speaks to the need. It is about a healthy attitude here. Tourism operators can work with the authority to help bring Japanese tourists directly to Yellowknife. Imagine that, Mr. Speaker; not Alaska, not Whitehorse, but Yellowknife.

Tourism could work with the authority to encourage those large airline companies to consider plans to touch down here. Mr. Speaker, it has been said before, if you pave it, they will come. Our highway is proof of that. So, Mr. Speaker, I think Yellowknife and the NWT have grown up enough. It is time that our airport grows with us so we could make something that befits the capital today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Need For Airport Authority For Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1417

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Interim Report On Mental Health And Addictions Services In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1417

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week, my AOC colleagues and I spoke to the need for treatment centres in the NWT that can provide proper aftercare services for clients. The Minister of Health and Social Services kept making reference to the Chalmers Report and their recommendation that no new facilities be built. Our quest on this side of the House is to provide an option for those to seek treatment and would be more comfortable closer to their region.

Mr. Speaker, how can the Minister put so much merit in a report that even states that caution is needed when reviewing the report? Interviewed people for the report included the Minister of Health and Social Services , the staff of the district authority, authority chairs, and it says, some frontline workers and NGOs. Are these not the people that would be able to provide the best insight as to the needs of those most affected? No mention was made of interviews with addicts or recovering addicts to see what they think would be required.

Mr. Speaker, it even states in the interim report that aboriginal and community content and views were extremely limited. My concern is how can the department put so much merit in a report that admits to its limitations? The fact that it mentions no new treatment centres may be just what the department wanted to hear. I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1417

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1417

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to introduce to the Legislative Assembly the Grade 6 class from Bompas, students of Fort Simpson.

---Applause

Accompanying them are the teachers, Miss Hutfloetz, Mr. Leader; chaperones, Mr. Wright, Mr. Cli, and Mrs. S. Nadia.

---Applause

I see a stranger amongst them. I don't know them, Mr. Speaker, but I would like to recognize her, as well.

---Laughter

There is also a resident of Fort Simpson that is an adult student, Miss Emma Amundson. Welcome to the House. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Page 1417

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Page 1417

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As well as the Grade 6 students from Fort Simpson, we have another group of students who are here to observe session. It is a class from Aurora College social studies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1417

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I take this opportunity to welcome everybody in the gallery today. It is nice to see you all here. It is always nice to have an audience. Welcome.

---Applause

Oral questions. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 480-15(4): Impacts To Communities Along Mackenzie Gas Pipeline Route

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the oil and gas activities are on a curve up in the Northwest Territories. There seems to be a lot of activity in some of the regions here. In light of the proposed Mackenzie gas project coming down the line here, I want to ask the Minister of ITI and also the chair of the Joint AOC/Cabinet Pipeline Committee, if he can summarize what the government has done to date in helping the communities deal with the massive immigration of workers that may impact the communities along the pipeline route. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In conjunction with a number of different departments, most notably in this area probably MACA, we have been working to ensure that there are monies available for communities who wish to sit down with the pipeline proponents and discuss through negotiations some fee-for-service arrangements to make sure that their community infrastructure is not overly impacted with the additional activity in the region. There was a fund also rolled out about a year ago now, Resource Pre-Development Program. I think it is about $250,000 per region for communities to be better prepared.

Health and Social Services, with the other social program departments, have been hosting regional workshops to better understand the challenges and the social envelope that communities will have to come to grips with. There are a number of initiatives underway. We have the coordinating body, the Mackenzie Valley pipeline office.

That is our communication folks out of Hay River who are working with communities and making sure the messaging from our government is one message across departments and that we are working very closely with our communities to make sure they have the ability, the capacity and the money to be at the table and to be recognized throughout this regulatory hearing process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The committees need to be prepared and I am hearing a lot that there is going to be a huge massive immigration of workers into the North. Mr. Speaker, we need to really prepare for the types of opportunities that are going to come and prepare our young people to start training and be prepared to take the opportunities of the pipeline. Can the Minister give me some idea as to what improvements have been for the communities in terms of helping them get ready for the pipeline? Are there any statistics, for instance? How many students are being trained in welding?

What types of workshops are given to businesses or the number of training sessions that may help out with these types of things? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To better understand the potential impacts of the project, we are relying quite a bit on the environmental impact statement filed by the proponents. In taking that, and using that, regional groups have used it. Land claim organizations, obviously, in their negotiation of access and benefits, which I am sure, although we are not privy to those agreements, speak to business opportunities, training opportunities, in addition to cash for access.

But we are also using this document to help us frame up a socio-economic agreement that would be an over-arching umbrella document and agreement that will speak to training opportunities and benefits that we think should accrue to northerners.

Mr. Speaker, even in advance of that work, there are a number of initiatives underway. The Department of Education is our lead on the Pipeline Operators Training course. There are other training initiatives through the ASEP program that are already moving forward. I think there is a lot of good work underway. The Member is absolutely correct; if we are going to see the benefits of this project accrue to northerners, we are going to have to be ready, prepared and trained in order to be able to take advantage of those. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently, the Department of Indian Affairs and the government, through the Minister's office, had successfully held a socio-economic conference and the Sahtu invited the Tlicho, the Deh Cho and the Sahtu people. Are there any targets in terms of preparing the communities who are on the pipeline route? What are we doing? What are we looking for in terms of reaching our goals? Are there any targets? If not, then why aren't there any targets right now in terms of preparing the communities for such impacts? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1418

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I think it is in all of our interests to move ahead as quickly as we possibly can on this. I think that is why we are sitting down now, and the Premier has already met with the Prime Minister and with Minister Prentice to talk about the Mackenzie gas project. We are very interested in how the socio-economic impact fund will roll out because it will be regional decision-making bodies that set the priorities and talk about the strategic initiatives that will be funded with that money. We know there will be accessing benefits money that needs to be targeted.

We can certainly play a support role there in working with communities because we are the delivery agent for many of the programs and services in communities. I think communities are going to become engaged as we better understand how the socio-economic impact funds will roll out. This is some of the

discussion the Premier has been leading with our federal counterparts. We look forward to getting more detail on that shortly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 481-15(4): Airport Authority

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to refer my questions to the Minister of Transportation with respect to my Member's statement given earlier today about airport authority and the need for them. Mr. Speaker, I am a big believer that an airport authority can do the job of running an airport in a more businesslike way that would attract more services and flights to the NWT, and specifically to Yellowknife. On the heels of that point, Mr. Speaker, and the absence of an airport authority, what is this Minister doing to attract circumpolar flights to stop here in Yellowknife? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of an airport authority was discussed and a steering committee was actually formed during the life of the 14th Assembly. Since then, the interest has moved away from this concept as there is a lot of investment that is required in the airport here in Yellowknife. It is a territorial airport and it has huge capital needs. We have to be able to address a number of things. Polar flights is an issue that we have raised from the stand point that the federal government has to deal with some of the issues around the concept of polar flights.

This airport is not equipped to accommodate the large size airplanes that are used in the polar flights. However, in some cases, we have been forced to accommodate them during emergency landings. We are not planning, at this point, to do any expansion of our runway. We don't have it in our capital plan. That would have to be some place down the road. But we have looked at it and we are looking at how we can accommodate it as part of all the other capital needs that this airport requires. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to say it again; if you build it, they will come. If you pave it, the planes will come. So if we pave that runway, we will be attracting flights. Mr. Speaker, Whitehorse did it and they came. German tourism is up. It is always packed. Mr. Speaker, what is this Minister doing to encourage these flights to Yellowknife for German, Japanese tourists, et cetera? What is this Minister doing to build the infrastructure so we can get these planes interested in our area? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. McLeod.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess that is a good concept, to build and they will come, but if we build it, we have to pay for it. I am not sure how we do that. Mr. Speaker, I think we have to be clear. In the Yukon, I believe the military built the extension to the runway. It was not the Yukon government. The Yukon government is still struggling to deal with all the other requirements that come from having polar flights land in that airport. They are struggling to deal with the concept of having customs, being able to expand their airport facility to provide space for custom officers.

There are a number of things that have to be taken into consideration if you are just looking at expanding the airport. I think that is something that we really have to study and make sure that we can pay for it, we can accommodate it, we have the room and that we have the capacity to deal with it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, the Minister's answer was very good. It is true; we have to pay for it. But I would like to hear what the Minister is doing to develop those types of partnership. That could be with the federal government, through the Department of Transportation. That could be through Joint Task Force North which has established here in Yellowknife. What is the Minister doing to help encourage or create legislation that will enable the airport authority so we can build these types of partnerships with DND and the federal government through Transport Canada? We need these partnerships built. What is the Minister doing to encourage that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. McLeod.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1419

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, until we can deal with some of the capital investments that are required for the airport, the airport authority concept is not something we are putting forward. We have had discussions with the stakeholders, the air carriers, some of the land lease holders on airport lands, and there are a number of issues that we have to deal with. There is a need for water and sewer services in that area. There is a need for a combined services building. There is a need for new firefighting equipment in the airport area. There are a number of things we have to deal with.

For the long term, we may have to look at a new terminal building down the road. These things are not issues that the airport authority is willing to take on. They would like us to deal with some of the investment requirements that need to happen in this facility before we take this discussion on airport authority any further. That is how we are proceeding, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1419

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 482-15(4): School Transportation Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1420

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, my question was regarding the safety of children. This is our concern that we would like to bring to the government. If the Minister feels the same about the safety of the children...(Translation ends)

...the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Would the Minister tell me what kind of funding is available for school bussing services in small communities such as Wekweeti, Gameti and Whati? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1420

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1420

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would agree with the Member that the safety of our children is always of paramount importance, and one of the reasons that we have locally elected school boards or DEAs is to make sure that they can react to local conditions and do what is necessary to make sure that kids are not only able access the program of Education, but to do so safely.

In our funding for divisional education councils, the formula provides for transportation. We don't stipulate to the boards that they have to spend that money on transportation. They can choose to spend it in any way that they choose, so we allow flexibility. Some of the money that we provide is allocated to transportation. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1420

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Just elaborating more on transporting these students to school in the smaller isolated communities, we do lack vehicles in the communities. We certainly don't have school buses in the community. Although there is a school board and divisional boards in the communities, they are also scarce for funding different programs. Would the Minister commit to this House of providing funding to purchase and operate transportation services in Wekweeti, Gameti and Whati, so that we can ensure that children are able to get to school safely, Mr. Speaker? Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment doesn't keep any separate funding for student transportation. All of that money that is for student transportation is included in the $120 million-plus that is given to the schools for their operation. So in those communities, the schools, or the DEC, or the Tlicho Community Services Agency will have to examine how they can accomplish school bussing if that is their intent. They are already getting all of the money that we have for education as part of the formula. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd just like to highlight in brief how the agency works in the community. Mr. Speaker, the agency does not have the money to do this in the community. The formula might work for larger communities where they have bigger pots to start with and small cuts can be found and a little money here and there, but this isn't the flexibility in the communities, such as the communities I identified. Their budgets are stretched, Mr. Speaker. They are expected to provide core subjects, language, cultural program, inclusive schooling, all with inadequate funding, Mr. Speaker. Mr.

Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister, will the Minister provide funding to purchase and run school transportation in the communities of Wekweeti, Gameti, Whati, so parents and elders can be assured that their children can go to school safely? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Those monies are already in the formula. While the Member may not be satisfied with the distribution of the formula, our monies are split up according to a formula that it does compensate for small size. The smaller communities do receive a significantly higher proportion of contribution than do the larger communities. We have membership on the committee that sets the formula, that meets two or three times to discuss how the formula's set up, from the DECs including the ones with very small communities. So the formula is already reactive to the smaller communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 483-15(4): Tourism 2010 Plan

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1420

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of ITI and it's in regards to the tourism plan announced yesterday. Certainly it is a good news item and it's one that addresses some of the issues that the industry has been telling me, and I'm sure people in this Chamber.

There's always been need for additional funding for the tourism industry, but also to focus on marketing, product development, infrastructure, human resource training and research and planning, which the Minister is dealing with, although I'd like to add a human resource recruitment and retention as well as training, because I think getting the people is a hard task given our shortage and scarcity of people for lots of jobs. Mr. Speaker, the Minister's announcement speaks to $145 million annually by the year 2010.

That's quite a chunk of money and I'd like to know if the Minister could give me a breakdown on where that will be spent and where that would come from. Is that

completely new money on the tourism industry, or is it something that's combining everything? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe I should just clear up some of potentially what is confusing here with the numbers. We're proposing to invest GNWT money; $1 million a year for five years. We're hoping to lever additional investment of about $2 million per year from other partners. We're also going to be working very closely with stakeholders like the NWT Tourism folks to deliver on programming. The number 145 was arrived at looking at the current state of our industry. It's about a $100 million a year industry in terms of GDP. It's broken out amongst, as you can imagine, a number of different sectors.

We think, in sitting down with our departmental people and the NWTT and other stakeholders, that $145 million is a doable projection, and so that's what we're targeting; that level of growth in terms of GDP for the entire industry by 2010. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I read it a couple of times and I couldn't envision how $1 million plus $2 million every year could add up to $145 million, but I see that's the government hopes the tourists will spend, not what the government will spend on the tourism industry. Anyway, Mr. Speaker, in watching the closing ceremony of the Olympics recently and looking at how Vancouver 2010 was presented, it appears that the Vancouver Olympic team, or the Canadian Olympic Team, is planning on promoting Canada as a northern country.

The emblem is an inukshuk from the East, and the guy that showed up with the ice fishing machine, I don't know if he's from the Yukon or the NWT, but I think this is a real opportunity for us in the 2010 plan to capitalize on the audience that we're going to get not only across the country, but around the world; not only the visitors, but the TV viewers. I'd like to know if the Minister has any plan to incorporate this tourism plan to maximize that opportunity. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, we certainly agree with the Member and think that the Olympics are a great opportunity for us coming up in Vancouver. We're using the upcoming Canada Games in Whitehorse, if you will, as a bit of a dry run. We are making an investment in terms of promoting the North, working with the other three territories. The Premier 's had some discussions with the other territorial Premiers and it was agreed that we would promote the North together at that event. Further, I guess, to Member Braden's statement earlier, we think there is a real opportunity for the promotion of our culture and our arts and crafts.

So we'll use that Whitehorse venue first and hope to parlay that into a bigger presence at the Vancouver Olympics. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do believe the NWT has a challenge to get between east and west and get our product out there. I'm pleased to see in the Minister's statement that he will be working on regional product development and regional attractions. Marketing is one thing and 2010 gives us enough time to use that marketing opportunity, but we need to spend resources and money to develop our product and produce well. I'm sure what the tourism industry is telling him. So I'd like to know what he has in mind for that area, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In may be to oversimplify it, but I think the strategy is twofold. It is about generating interest, and marketing is the way for us to do that. But it's also about developing product. That's why you see the breakdown and we have this discussion of developing regional attractions. We need that product in place so when we go and drum up business and create the interest, we bring people home and there are a lot of attractions for them. So we see the Olympic Games as a wonderful opportunity, Mr. Speaker.

I know the Premier 's also had discussions with the chair of the Olympic committee, Jack Pool, and invited him North. He's agreed to come North. I think at that point we can have a good discussion about what the opportunities are for the NWT, and promoting ourselves and enhancing our presence at those games. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Question 484-15(4): Barren-ground Caribou Management Strategy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to revisit the Barren-Ground Caribou Management Strategy that hopefully hasn't rolled out yet. I want to ask the Minister when I can get information about the traditional knowledge aspects toward how do we manage the caribou management issue and the continued decline of caribou in the NWT. But we hear this traditional advice coming and going, but it's never incorporated. It's not even in this Caribou Forever - Our Heritage, Our Responsibility. There's nothing in there that relates to the advice that we're receiving from chiefs, elders, hunters and trappers.

Nothing that even mentions that, and all of a sudden we're throwing seven rules out there for caribou hunters, trappers and harvesters to follow, Mr. Speaker. To me, that's like treating hunters and trappers like a bunch of school kids and throwing a bunch of rules out there and say this is the way we're going to do the job. I get a lot of information from harvesters and hunters saying that, hey, this is just too cumbersome; these rules are just overbearing for a lot of hunters and trappers that basically a voluntary harvest limit would suffice for everybody. So

I'm going to ask the Minister if he'll just back off a bit on imposing these seven rules for hunters and trappers in the NWT, and maybe let's start with an education campaign. I think that would suffice, Mr. Speaker. Would he do that? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the work we are proceeding with was done as a result, as I've indicated numerous times in the House, after extensive consultation with the co-management boards and a number of other stakeholders like the Yellowknives, the Northwest Territory Metis, the barren-land outfitters, and we've done a lot of careful work and we are going to proceed. I'd just like to point out that, as we speak, there's a major Bathurst caribou workshop taking place here at the Explorer Hotel for over the next three days.

We've brought together an extensive number of people and organizations to look at, in particular, the Bathurst herd. We have DIAND officials, GNWT officials, the Government of Nunavut, the Tlicho Government, Yellowknives, the North Slave Metis Alliance, the Kitikmeot hunters, Nunavut Tunngavik, Nunavut Wildlife management, Kitikmeot Inuit, the Lutselk'e Dene First Nations.

We have a number of environmental groups and Independent Environmental Monitoring Agency, Environmental Monitoring Advisory Board, the Barren-Ground Outfitters Association, NWT Metis Nation, the Dehcho First Nations, the Akaitcho Territory Government, the Nunavut Planning Commission, the Wekweezhii Renewable Resources Board, Land and Water Board, as well as the land protection department, and the Mackenzie Valley Land Impact Review Board. They have a very full three days laid out to look at the issue of caribou in this part of the country and I look forward to their feedback. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My point exactly.

---Laughter

I know there's a big meeting happening exactly with the wildlife management issue and all that stuff. So why are we putting the cart in front of the horse here? You know, he's waiting for the feedback from these co-management boards and all these people that have input into this strategy, but already we're implementing seven rules, immediate actions, that the GNWT's throwing out there that people have to adhere to before he's even heard recommendations from the big meeting of all these boards and agencies. You know, Mr.

Speaker, why doesn't the government drop these seven immediate action plans that they have in place and wait until they hear from these recommendations of all these experts, and these hunters and trappers, and these co-management boards? Why...

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Paul Delorey

Okay, thank you for the question, Mr. Villeneuve . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd just like to point out to the Member, as well, that on page 4 of the strategy, we refer on the last bullet on the page to using local and traditional ecological knowledge. On page 9 when we talk about co-management, we talk about using traditional knowledge and technical information, and working together with the aboriginal governments.

Mr. Speaker, we're using the conservation principle. We have enough information to tell us that there's a problem and we have to start taking the steps to make sure that we are doing the right thing in regards to proper stewardship, and that is what is driving this whole process. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We all know there is a problem. There's a problem with declining caribou. Seven action plans may be overdoing it. I know wolf furs are down in the market right now, but if we put an incentive out there for hunters to maybe harvest wolves, the government will pay them $50 to see what the wolves are actually eating. I was talking to a hunter here yesterday, Mr. Speaker. He said he went out hunting and he saw 200 wolves. He only shot 18. That's all he could shoot because he ran out of shells. You know, Mr.

Speaker, that gives us an indication that predation is the key to this whole management issue, and I think that the government should really take our advice seriously and look at the issue of putting some restrictions or limitations on raising the limitations on the wolf predation. You know, increasing the...

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Paul Delorey

Do you have a question, Mr. Villeneuve ?

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Would the Minister consider doing that, instead of throwing seven rules out there? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member does touch on a very key point in which is why it's been identified in our plan that we want to look at the issue of predation and try to do some work to quantify the number of wolves out there so that when we gather next fall and early winter, we'll have a clear sense of what decisions we need to make in regards to the whole issue of making sure we have herd sustainability. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of FMBS, the Honourable Floyd Roland , and it gets back to my Member's statement from earlier today and again yesterday when I addressed the issue of the $450,000 that was sole sourced to an American company to try to get to the root of the problems at our recently amalgamated HR division. I'd like to ask the Minister if any thought was ever given to going back to the individual departments where the problems came from and getting them to pay for the $450,000 study or review that's currently underway. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did not bring that issue back to my FMB colleagues as I feel that the situation was we needed to move on this, we needed to move rather quickly on this and bring it back for discussion. Trying to get them to put some money back into it would cause further delays in actually getting the work done. So the decision was made, and I believe it was the correct one, to get on with the job and we'll deal with the issues later. We've had to put off some projects to go ahead with this initial piece of work. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I won't disagree with the Minister that I think we have to move on it and we have to move on it quickly. It's how it was done and why we're where we're at today that I think is the bigger problem, and the fact that various departments were allowed to get away with not doing their work, get away with sitting on personnel files for years, and obviously there was a backlog of work that got to the new amalgamated HR division. I'd like to specifically ask the Minister responsible for FMBS who these departments were, and is any disciplinary action going to be taken to the departments that caused us to spend $450,000? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of the backlog and bringing that all together under one roof has been a problem for us, as I stated, under the review for HR. The fact is, that is the reason why we've gone to the system we have, is in a more decentralized version of each department having it's HR services and it's own

interpretation of the rules that's caused us many of these problems. So our goal is to move forward from where we were to get a good grasp of where things were sitting, and move forward with some new implementation to improve on the way we can deal with our HR services. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have so many questions; there are a number of questions that come to mind. I'm going to try to ask this final question, and that is to the Minister of FMBS. According to the FAA and the government contract regulations, I'd like to ask the Minister how it is that he can spend $450,000. Where in the government contract regulations does it state that a review at HR would allow him to do that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the fact is, with any department, when work is needed to be done, the Minister initially would look from within his resources to try and get the work done. If he can't, then he has to come to FMB for request for further monies. The work, as I stated, was done in a manner where we've had to put off some of our internal working, reduce some of our travel and training to go ahead with this work.

As for going back to departments to try and recoup some of that funding, Ministers have already stated, and correctly so, that when this was devolved out from back in the mid-'90s when the Department of Personnel existed and it was sent out to each department to manage their own, they were not given additional funds at that point. So that's a point of contention, as well, of trying to go back and say, well, we need further monies for this HR process. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to thank the Premier for the update on this meeting with the Prime Minister and Minister of Indian Affairs last weekend. Maybe what I didn't hear in regard to his opening comments about the meeting is, I'd like to ask the Premier , with his discussions with the Prime Minister and Minister of INAC, was there any discussions in regard to connecting Corridors for Canada II and connecting Canada from coast to coast to coast with the Prime Minister and Minister of INAC, and were they able to acknowledge these documents? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I did make reference to the documents with Minister Prentice, and, very generally, with the infrastructure demands that our heated up economy is creating for us, when I met with the Prime Minister. Mr. Speaker, the

Minister for DIAND, Minister Prentice, has committed to coming to the Northwest Territories to meet with us sometime in March. He has acknowledged that he understands the cost to us of maintaining our existing infrastructure and the demands to increase our transportation infrastructure in particular because of our heated up economy. So, Mr. Speaker, I look forward to meeting with Minister Prentice in March to further the discussions on this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Premier . I would just like to ask one other question as follow-up here. Have they indicated that they will commit to the two documents? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, no, they have not committed to the proposals in the two documents. It's early in the government. They have only been in government for a few weeks. But, Mr. Speaker, I would say that both the Prime Minister and Minister Prentice acknowledged that the present situation is just not tenable where we face the costs of deteriorating infrastructure and yet go and get the benefit from resource revenues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, Mr. Speaker, the long-gone social housing program is rearing its ugly head where we did once build houses for our First Nations people. That program is from a distant past. In my Member's statement, I was talking about questioning the homeownership. Let's not call it homeownership if it isn't, Mr. Speaker. Will this ministry review the programming of programs in the Housing Corporation in this mandate review? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible of the Housing Corporation, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are reviewing the mandate of the corporation. We are looking at our programs trying to find a better way of streamlining it so it's simple, straightforward and more accommodating to our clients. If anything, we are doing that, Mr. Speaker, and we could continue to work with the Members here, but, more importantly, work to deal with the programs we have, make them simpler and also make them user-friendly. So we are doing that at the present time. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As well, another thing that happens in the housing industry is that construction techniques, standards and building codes periodically change. Has ours changed since 1978, Mr. Speaker?

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've come a long way since 1978.

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Hear! Hear!

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

We have evolved to a point where we are actually delivering programs in the North with the CMHC of Canada, but I think we also have to realize that we used to have programs where individuals were able to get their homes, own their homes outright. Now we are in the process of delivering housing, which will allow individuals to go to a bank or EDAP programs, so they get some assistance from us and they move to the bank to get the rest of the money they need to build their homes. So we have evolved from a process where we used to give people homes, they built their own homes, such as the old HAP units.

We have devolved from that stage to where we are today by using bank financing, third-party financing and working with the private sector. So, Mr. Speaker, we have evolved a long way since 1979.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Your final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we have come a long way; I agree with the Minister, but there is a way further to go yet. Constituents increasingly call for further participation in the construction of their homes. I am not convinced, and the constituents I represent aren't convinced, that the corporation knows best for us that they have to build the houses for us. That's what I am saying; let's have the flexibility for us to be our own general, to build our own houses and find our own contractors. So, Mr. Speaker, just once again, will this ministry look at reviewing the programming, as well as the mandate? Mahsi.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That's exactly what we are doing.

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