Debates of March 3rd, 1994

This is page numbers 503 - 531 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was land .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Assent To Bills

Renewable Resource Development Strategy

Meeting Of Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada

Apologizing To Constituents And Mlas

International Women's Day

Concerns Re Extra Funding Available For Tep Students

Congratulating Constituents Selected For Arctic Winter Games

High Cost Of Fuel For Home Owners

Appreciation To Minister Re Meeting With Baffin Regional Treatment Centre

Congratulating Participants In Arctic Winter Games

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Status Of Departmental Amalgamations

Amalgamation Of Health And Social Services Departments

Initiatives To Inform Employees Of Amalgamation Plans

Decrease In Maintenance Staff Due To Sale Of Staff Housing

Support To Small Businesses To Develop Housing Market

Status Of Guardianship Act

Methods Used To Inform Employees Of Amalgamations

Training For Community Employees

Success In Bringing Dental Specialists To The North

Contract For Coral Harbour School Extension

Status Of Financial Support For Yellowknife Learning Centre

Emergency Equipment For Hay River Reserve

Overcrowding Of Victor Sammurtok School

Sensitivity To The Difficulties Of Constructing Access Units In Arctic

Role Of Liaison Officer In Small Communities

Legal Authority Of Francophone Board Under Education Act

Mandate Of NWT Development Corporation

Return To Written Question 4-12(5): Commuting Allowances For Government Employees

Return To Written Question 14-12(5): Rates For Hospitalization Outside Of Canada

Extended Adjournment

Amendment To The Terms Of Reference And Appointments To The Special Joint Committee On Division

Suspension Of European Fur Import Regulation

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Cities, Towns And Villages Act

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Hamlets Act

To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 4

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 7: Personal Property Security Act

Revert Back To Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Assent To Bills

Assent To Bills

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The Speaker

Thank you. Good afternoon. I have a letter before me from Commissioner Norris addressed to me, dated March 3, 1994.

"Dear Madam Speaker, I wish to inform the Legislative Assembly that on Thursday, March 3, 1994, I was attended in my office by the Clerk of the Legislative Assembly, Mr. David Hamilton, and the Government House Leader, the Honourable John Pollard , for the purpose of assenting to bills. I wish to inform the Legislative Assembly that, as Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, I gave assent to Bill 13, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94. Yours truly, D L Norris, Commissioner."

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Point of privilege, Mr. Gargan .

Point Of Privilege

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Assent To Bills

Assent To Bills

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of privilege concerning an incident which occurred in this House yesterday. Madam Speaker, yesterday I wrote and circulated a letter to all MLAs. This letter was not tabled in the House nor was it ever made a part of the formal records of this House.

Secondly, Madam Speaker, an

interpretation was placed on the contents of this letter by you without providing me with the opportunity to debate or respond to your

interpretation. This is a fundamental denial of the right to be heard before one is convicted...

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Assent To Bills

Assent To Bills

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The Speaker

Mr. Gargan . Unfortunately, you do not have a point of privilege. I would like to remind Members and quote from Beauchesne's ruling 168(1), "Reflections upon the character or actions of the Speaker may be punished as breaches of privilege. The actions of the Speaker cannot be criticized incidentally in debate or upon any form of proceeding, except by way of a substantive motion." In addition, Beauchesne's ruling 170, "Under Standing Order 10, Speakers' rulings, once given, must be accepted without appeal or debate." Under those rulings, I indicate that you do not have a point of privilege. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 34-12(5): Renewable Resource Development Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, later today I plan to table the document Tradition and Change, A Strategy for Renewable Resource Development in the NWT. This strategy provides an approach for managing and using renewable resources for the maximum benefit of our residents today, while ensuring there is enough for tomorrow. This has been the approach of our people for thousands of years.

The current value of the renewable resource harvest is now over $55 million per year. The harvest of wildlife, primarily as food, is worth a minimum of $38 million. The value of the fish and marine mammal harvest is $12 million. The timber harvest will increase this year from $3 million to $14 million. Last year, the sale of wild furs and agricultural products provided $3 million.

The renewable resource development strategy promotes economic self-reliance, local employment opportunities and benefits and local influence over the pace of development. This is especially important for smaller communities where few other economic opportunities exist. The strategy is divided into six renewable resource sectors: fur, wildlife, fisheries, forests, marine mammals, and agriculture. The value, objectives, initiatives and constraints of each sector are described and a three year action plan is included.

Madam Speaker, a healthy economy requires a healthy environment. I believe that releasing this strategy shows our government's commitment to both increasing economic opportunities, sustainable development and maintaining productive renewable resources. This is what residents are asking for and this is what we intend to provide. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 34-12(5): Renewable Resource Development Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 35-12(5): Meeting Of Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, as most Members know, I just returned from a two day meeting of the Council of Ministers of Education, Canada, in Toronto, and I would like to bring the Members of this Assembly up to date on developments.

First, I am pleased to announce that the council's by-laws were amended to change the status of the Yukon and Northwest Territories from observers to members...

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Minister's Statement 35-12(5): Meeting Of Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Hear, hear.

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Minister's Statement 35-12(5): Meeting Of Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

This is for the first time in 26 years. This significant change allows us to take our place at the table in developing, directing and leading education in our nation. I would like to recognize the work of my staff for helping bring this long overdue recognition to our territories.

Secondly, the council discussed and furthered its six-point action plan to reshape education in this country. One of the steps in this process is a regular series of national forums to bring together all interested groups and organizations, including government, business, labour, educational institutions, teachers, parents and student federations and associations, to promote dialogue on expectations and needs and to exchange ideas.

The five remaining points of the action plan are:

-the establishment of a national working group to examine curriculum comparability and possible joint initiatives in curriculum development;

-the continuation and expansion of the school achievement indicators program, adding assessment in science to the existing program which includes assessment in reading and writing and mathematics;

-a new joint project between the Council of Ministers and Statistics Canada to develop pan-Canadian indicators on education performance;

-a new Canada-wide focus on open learning and distance education, particularly in post-secondary studies; and,

-the development of new links and partnerships with national and governmental organizations, and with business, labour and appropriate federal departments and agencies.

As part of the meetings, the Ministers also hosted the Honourable Lloyd Axworthy, Minister of Human Resources Development Canada, and discussed issues such as the continuation of the stay-in-school program, possible changes to the Canada student loans program, the planned federal reductions to the national literacy program and the implications of reform of social programs on education.

Madam Speaker, as I have done before, I will continue to keep this legislature up to date on the developments and change in education on the national scene as we work to reshape, reform and improve our system of education. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 35-12(5): Meeting Of Council Of Ministers Of Education, Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Apologizing To Constituents And Mlas

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yesterday, I had a terrible day and it started about 3:00 pm.

---Applause

It went on into the evening. This morning I got up at 6:00 and thought about what had happened yesterday.

I have been a good and faithful Member of this House for over ten years, under many Speakers, including the late and honourable Speaker Stewart. I believe that the work done in this House is important and each Member has an obligation to his or her constituents to be very involved in the work we do here.

Madam Speaker, yesterday, I wanted Members to be aware of some specialists who were available to assist them with taxation issues. This is the time of year when we hear concerns from our constituents regarding tax matters. In my haste to inform Members, I unintentionally chose words which offended you, Madam Speaker. I regret that these hastily chosen words caused the difficulties they did. I have always had tremendous respect for the House and it's Members, and I will always continue to abide by its rules.

I would like to apologize to the members of my constituency for being unable to represent them in this House yesterday afternoon, and to the Members of this House for being unable to participate in yesterday's debate on bills and supplementary appropriations.

Madam Speaker, in the future I will be diligent in my choice of words taking care that they not reflect badly on this House. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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International Women's Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Tuesday, March 8, is International Women's Day. Madam Speaker, since this House won't be sitting on that day, I thought I would take a couple of minutes today to highlight the fact that that is an important day for us to celebrate.

Madam Speaker, International Women's Day has been celebrated throughout Europe, Russia and the United States since 1910. It has had its origins in the struggle of women for better wages and working conditions, as well as the right to vote in elections.

There are two symbols representing International Women's Day: red roses; red represents the struggle for economic security and roses the struggle for a better life. Madam Speaker, all Members recently received a rose lapel pin and are asked to wear this pin to demonstrate their support for this important day.

Madam Speaker, this day not only highlights the struggles and achievements but, too, serves as a reminder of the important work still to be done on behalf of women. We must celebrate the achievements of progress for what has been done. In the Northwest Territories we have some shelters, we do have some programs in the struggle against family violence, we do have some day care centres in some communities. Madam Speaker, we do have more women involved in politics and more women have educational job opportunities than was the case in the past. But, we still have a long way to go. There is a lot more change needed.

International Women's Day is a reminder that around the world and in the Northwest Territories, too many women are still living in violent conditions of physical, emotional and sexual abuse, earning less than men earn, and under-represented in politics at all levels. International Women's Day, Madam Speaker, is a reminder that work as women and mothers is not adequately valued, and needs such as child care and child support and shelters are not being adequately met.

Madam Speaker, statistics can tell just how much more needs to be done. Madam Speaker, I would seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement and to give some of those statistics.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Your time is not up yet, Mr. Dent . However, the honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue with his Member's statement. Are there any nays? Thank you. There are no nays? Proceed, Mr. Dent .

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International Women's Day

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Madam Speaker, some of the statistics that I was referring to indicate that the average income for women in the Northwest Territories in 1992 was $16,500. That's less than two-thirds the average of what a man earns in the Northwest Territories, that being over $26,000. In 1991, the average income for single parent families in the Northwest Territories was one-third the income of other families and, Madam Speaker, 75 per cent of single parent families are headed by women. Single-parent income has, in fact, dropped in the Northwest Territories since 1990.

Madam Speaker, in 1993, there were approximately 1,050 day care spaces serving 18 communities across the Northwest Territories. As we were told during hearings for the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, this is terribly inadequate. There are more than 2,300 children in the Northwest Territories in need of child care right now. In the Northwest Territories, shelter workers estimate that at least one in four NWT women have been abused by her partner. Women are assaulted an average of 35 times before they call for help. In all of the NWT, there are only nine shelters to protect abused women and only four are able to offer counselling.

In Canada, one woman in three will be sexually assaulted by a man at some time in her life. The NWT rate of reported sexual assaults is the highest in the country and 54 per cent of rape victims are girls between the ages of seven and 18. Madam Speaker, there is no rape crisis centre in the NWT and very limited use of victim impact statements in the courts. The NWT, Madam Speaker, is the only place in Canada where disabled women outnumber disabled men and this may be due largely to violence and abuse.

Madam Speaker, it is not enough to say that we abhor violence against women. We must take our policy of zero tolerance against violence to heart and take action. We must make sure people believe that violence really is a problem. We must make sure that better support is there to help those who suffer by providing more shelters, more counselling and more assistance to those who have to seek redress and protection through our court system.

Madam Speaker, I urge all Members, indeed, I urge everyone, to make time next Tuesday to observe International Women's Day. Wear a rose, participate in some of the activities, celebrate the achievements of women to date, and let's all remember how much change is still needed. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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International Women's Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Concerns Re Extra Funding Available For Tep Students

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. On Tuesday, March 1, I went to Fort Smith at the invitation of the students attending Arctic College from my constituency. There are about 25 students and half of them have spouses and children, so there are quite a few of them from my constituency in Fort Smith. Madam Speaker, while I was there I spoke to the management and students about the budget process and the Legislative Assembly's role in the budget process. I also spoke to social services students. The discussion was basically about constitutional development and self-government.

In the evening I had a meeting with my constituents. There was great discussion on all kinds of different issues. Madam Speaker, I'm proud to see that these people, many with families, are returning to school or going for the first time. I was very impressed and encouraged with the questions and discussions we had on the future direction of the Northwest Territories.

However, Madam Speaker, one of the major concerns expressed by the students and their spouses was the extra funding available to students in the community teacher education program. I'm told that these education students receive between $5,000 to $12,000 in extra incentive grants, depending on the size of their families. Other students do not get this who are taking other programs. Needless to say, Madam Speaker, my constituents enrolled in other programs, particularly those with families, are not very pleased with the situation. I'm, personally, not very satisfied with the situation.

Madam Speaker, I realize that this incentive program was started to encourage aboriginal people to enrol in the teacher education program and I do agree with the intent. However, Madam Speaker, the Northwest Territories needs more than aboriginal teachers who understand and can teach our culture. We need aboriginal social workers who understand the needs of the people they are supposed to serve. We need northern managers to administer programs, both for aboriginal organizations and various levels of government. Madam Speaker, this incentive program offered to students taking education needs to be dropped or modified and extended to students in other faculties.

I do not blame the students for wanting the same benefits. These students have families and deserve the same consideration as education students. I urge the government, in the spirit of fairness, to review this program and offer a constructive solution that does not discriminate against or favour students in different programs. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Concerns Re Extra Funding Available For Tep Students

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Congratulating Constituents Selected For Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm very pleased that the following young people from my constituency are going to attend the 1994 Arctic Winter Games: from Pangnirtung, Leona Nakashuk, Charlie Komoartok, Daniel Kilabuk, Helen Parfitt, Sheena Machmar, Nathaniel Qaqasiq, Eva Sowdluapik, Lizzie Etuanat, and from Broughton Island, Allan Kooneeloosie and Meika McDonald.

Madam Speaker, as I will not be able to attend the 1994 Arctic Winter Games due to prior commitments, I would like to wish them well on behalf of their communities and acknowledge their parents for the support and encouragement they gave to these young athletes. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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High Cost Of Fuel For Home Owners

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to make a statement today regarding home owners in my constituency and the need these people have for assistance in buying heating fuel. I'm happy and thankful with the fact that some of my constituents have been able to get assistance through the home ownership program of the Housing Corporation. One of the concerns that has been brought to my attention by home owners is the high cost of heating fuel.

I don't need to remind the House about the high costs of living because everybody here is well aware of that fact already. Some of the home owners barely scrape by in paying their heating bills, along with all the other expenses that have to be paid. I'm aware of the program for seniors where there is assistance for purchasing wood and heating fuel and I'm very happy about that. What I would like to suggest to the government is it is time now to expand this assistance to those who have a certain income level and for those who do not presently receive housing allowances from their employers.

I'm not suggesting that new subsidies be given to all home owners, but target those who are struggling and who are the most in need. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Appreciation To Minister Re Meeting With Baffin Regional Treatment Centre

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I don't want to be too fulsome in my praise for the Minister of Social Services , since I may have questions and criticisms for her soon enough, but I would like to take this opportunity today to thank her and her assistant for taking time from their busy schedule, last week in Iqaluit, to meet with the board of directors of the Baffin Regional Treatment Centre to discuss staff housing requirements and also to tour the treatment centre, now nearly completed in Apex.

I know the board expressed their gratitude directly to the Minister for the salary increases and additional settlement allowances recently approved for staff at this and other treatment centres.

I know that the treatment centre board was very pleased that the Minister actively participated with them in exploring various options to deal with the critical need to find housing for the staff at this new treatment centre. Some of these options will require her action as Minister of Personnel and another will require assistance from the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . I know the Minister of Social Services will use her good offices with her Cabinet colleague, the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , to seek solutions so we can get the long-awaited treatment centre staffed and up and running.

I want to say, Madam Speaker, I look forward to continuing to work cooperatively with the Minister of Social Services , also in her capacity of Minister of Personnel , with the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , with other Baffin MLAs, with Mr. Mangitak Kellypalik and his board at the Baffin Treatment Centre to resolve the housing problem for staff at the treatment centre. Qujannamiik.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Congratulating Participants In Arctic Winter Games

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Over the next several days, hundreds of athletes, coaches, officials, organizers and spectators will be converging on Slave Lake for this year's version of the Arctic Winter Games. To reach the games is a great achievement for all of these people who have qualified to participate in the games. There are many others, throughout the north and all of the regions who are involved and who have worked very hard to make these happen. I would like to congratulate all of these people plus all of the participants in all of the sports who participated in the trials.

They have all worked hard and deserve a lengthy round of applause from all of us and from everyone else, even though they did not make the teams.

I have been an active participant, official and entertainer in some of the games and trials. I know the feeling when you get on a plane to go to an event like this. There is a great feeling that you are representing, not only the Northwest Territories, but Canada. The sound of the national anthem when you are standing on a podium receiving medals brings great pride to everyone involved. I wish our athletes well, especially the athletes from Inuvik: the junior boy's soccer team; I think we have a shooter; a hockey player; and, a basketball player.

My great pride and a lot of my attention will go to the curling events because I have two boys and one girl who are going to represent the Northwest Territories in the curling teams.

---Applause

So I wish them well. I wish all of our athletes well and I know they will show their exuberance and skills when they stand up on the podiums receiving their gold ulus. Mahsi.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Further Return To Question 179-12(5): Requirement For New Health Facility In Gjoa Haven

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 507

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good afternoon. Madam Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ningark on February 22, 1994, regarding the health facility in Gjoa Haven.

Madam Speaker, on February 22, 1994, the honourable Member for Natilikmiot asked the Premier whether the Minister of Health would investigate the requirement for a new health facility in Gjoa Haven.

Madam Speaker, the health centre in Gjoa Haven was constructed in 1970. It was renovated in 1981 and again in 1987, immediately prior to the 1988 health transfer. The community has, in the past, asked for a replacement of the facility. In 1992, the Department of Public Works and Services evaluated the facility and found the health centre to be sound and functional. This evaluation was supported by the Kitikmeot health board.

The department recognizes, however, that there is a shortage of program space and it has subsequently identified renovation and expansion of the facility in its five year capital plan.

The KHB has initiated a community health services planning process for all communities, including Gjoa Haven. This exercise will identify program requirements for the community. Based on this information, a functional program will be developed which will identify the space requirements. The functional program is scheduled for 1995-96 with renovation and expansion work to commence in 1996-97. This time frame will allow the KHB to complete its community profile. This information is required in order to provide the community with the best possible service. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Further Return To Question 247-12(5): Status Of Computer System For Social Assistance Payments

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 507

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Madam Speaker, this is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Whitford on March 2, 1994 regarding status of computerized system for social assistance payments. A total of 44 of the 61 communities listed in the social assistance regulations are off-line. That is 72 per cent. We plan to increase the number of offices which have access to the on-line system. However, that cannot occur until the communication links are in place in smaller communities. Records of social assistance in these communities are transmitted to the closest regional centre, where they are entered into the social assistance information system. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Question 253-12(5): Status Of Departmental Amalgamations

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 507

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Premier . When the government announced the reshaping of northern government initiative back in 1991, there were a number of departments which were to undergo consolidation and amalgamation.

Madam Speaker, can the Premier advise this House which amalgamations are complete?

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Question 253-12(5): Status Of Departmental Amalgamations

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, unfortunately, I had a reply to that question all ready, but I cannot find it. So I will take that as notice and give a complete report tomorrow. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 254-12(5): Amalgamation Of Health And Social Services Departments

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 508

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question about amalgamation also, but it is more specific, so hopefully the Minister will have that information at hand. Specifically, this House has heard that the government proposed to amalgamate the departments of Health and Social Services. This was supported by the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, but during the course of the committee, the committee had also heard conflicting information from the government, including a letter from the Premier indicating that the amalgamation might be on hold. My specific question for the Premier is, what phase is the government currently at on the amalgamation of Health and Social Services?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I would like to state to the honourable Member that the amalgamation is not on hold, we're just not moving as quickly as anticipated. One of the areas that we wanted to make sure of is that when we receive the report on health and social services, is that it gets considered with what we are doing in the amalgamation. We just haven't been able to accommodate the dates that we originally set out to do. I believe by the fall session we will be substantially along the way to having that particular function, the consolidation plan in place so that we can move along with it as quickly as possible.

I just want to assure the Members of the House that we are not putting things on hold. It's just that we were not able to do as many things as quickly as we wanted to. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 508

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm not sure if I heard the Premier correctly, but I just wanted to confirm for the record. Did she say that by this fall there would be a complete consolidation of those two departments, and that the plan for that would be in the House sometime in the future?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the desire of the government is to try to move the consolidation along as quickly as possible. That's our goal and that's our intent. I'm hopeful that by the fall, we'll have a plan on exactly how that can be done so we can move ahead as quickly as possible on a consolidation. Hopefully, in the fall session I'll be able to say exactly what's going to happen and how we're going to implement the consolidation, if not before, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Question 255-12(5): Initiatives To Inform Employees Of Amalgamation Plans

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 508

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Every student of psychology knows that people work best if their work is valued and have some sense of security in what they do. There are currently a number of government employees who do not have this sense of security. These are employees in the departments of Health and Social Services, staff housing employees relating to Public Works and Services and also parks employees in ED&T. Madam Speaker, they've heard of all this impending amalgamation involving their departments. My question to the Premier is, what is our government doing to keep these employees informed both at the regional level and here at headquarters? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the intent of the government has been brought to the Legislative Assembly and certainly in terms of the planning and organization, the information as it has been realized is transmitted to employees. Perhaps some of the concerns that employees might have is that they hear about something going to happen but the implementation plan has not been in place, so the apprehension is when is it going to happen and how is that going to affect us?

Although employees know which areas have been identified, the concern is that they're not quite sure when we're going to do it and what may or may not happen to them. Sometimes we can't give those answers until the implementation plan is in place.

With regard to parks, I think the employees can rest assured because we have decided on the parks consolidation with Renewable Resources. That particular area has been put on hold and we won't be approaching that for some time. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 256-12(5): Decrease In Maintenance Staff Due To Sale Of Staff Housing

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 508

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works and Services . Over the course of the past year and a half the government has sold off a lot of its staff housing units. Theoretically, I gather, with that decrease in the number of units, the management and maintenance staff required to maintain those units won't be required at the same levels as they are now. Has the Minister's department determined yet how many staff are no longer needed as a

result of the decrease in the number of staff housing units? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have not yet determined how many staff we need to maintain the existing stock. We are still looking at transferring whatever is left over of the staff housing to the NWT Housing Corporation, and how that stock is going to be maintained as well as the stock of the Housing Corporation. We have to look at both issues at once and then make the decision. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I understand that the Housing Corporation will be assuming responsibility for the maintenance of the GNWT staff housing units. With that, the Housing Corporation has devolved the responsibilities of maintaining the public housing stock to local housing authorities. Is it the intention in this amalgamation of the two departments to have the Public Works' staff become employees of the local housing authorities in the communities? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Those questions that the Member has raised are good questions and we don't have the answers to those questions yet. The housing authorities are set up fairly well to administer housing and give out those houses in the communities. The Department of Public Works is also set up fairly well to maintain units, so are the housing authorities set up to maintain units. Government employees are unionized. Some housing authorities' maintenance employees are unionized, some are not, some have different unions. So it is a complicated issue to address and we are working to address it.

I have directed both my departments to work together to see how we can maximize our dollars and get the best use out of our dollars to maintain the public housing stock as well as the staff housing stock, and come up with a decision paper. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Minister recognize that with the amalgamation of the two departments -- the Housing Corporation and Public Works and Services -- and the maintenance staff of both of those organizations, that there will be a surplus of staff as a result of this amalgamation? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Whether there will be surplus people, I do not know, so I can't recognize them yet. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 257-12(5): Support To Small Businesses To Develop Housing Market

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Madam Speaker, while there has been a decrease in the demand for maintenance of staff housing as a result of sales, there has been a corresponding increase in the need to maintain private homes. This would seem to be a great opportunity to help encourage the creation of small businesses. I know the Minister is always alert for such opportunities. I would like to ask the Minister, what has his department done to encourage and support people to create small businesses, particularly in the trades, to support the growing private housing market? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Early on, when this policy was brought forward, we recognized that there would be an ideal opportunity for the development of small maintenance and trades fields. The regional staff are aware of it and are responding to initiatives that are coming from the communities. I know, for example, that Simeonie Tatty and another partner have put together a small maintenance company and are now maintaining some of the homes in Rankin Inlet. I'm told that such will be the case in other communities, particularly in the larger centres where you have a critical mass of housing that is being sold.

There would be a greater opportunity than there would be in some of the smaller communities. We are responding to it. We recognize it's an important initiative and I'm confident that, ultimately, more money will be spent in the community and more economic benefits will be accrued accordingly. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 258-12(5): Status Of Guardianship Act

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Social Services . Since the Assembly has now delayed dealing with the issue of guardianship for dependant

adults for many years, I would like to ask the Minister if the Guardianship Act has now been completed.

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Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, it is.

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Brian Lewis

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I would like to ask the Minister if this piece of legislation has been dealt with by the Cabinet yet.

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Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Madam Speaker, no.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Can I ask the Minister -- obviously she has no control over the Cabinet agenda -- but when is it that she proposes to bring this piece of legislation into the Assembly?

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Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That piece of legislation has been submitted to the Cabinet. It is a matter of when the Cabinet is going to deal with it and, once that's done it will be tabled in this House. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker, my honourable colleagues raised a lot of questions about various stages of amalgamation of departments. When we are changing and reshaping departments, people tend to get involved. People who are of concern, obviously, are employees of the various departments. My question to the Premier is, what type of information and public relation strategy is this government using to inform and keep employees informed about the various stages of amalgamations and decentralizations of departments?

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Mr. Koe , could I ask you to possibly rephrase your question? It seems somewhat repetitive of an earlier question that has already been posed in the House. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

The concern I'm raising is that staff in several departments have expressed to me that they're not getting complete information about what's going on in terms of changes within their departments, for example, employees in the Department of Public Works and Services. My question is, what public relations work has been done to keep employees informed about the changes that are occurring in the amalgamation of Public Works and, let's say, Housing?

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I'll try to elaborate on a similar question. Whenever the information is available on the status of amalgamation and consolidation there are general information items put out in internal government publications which go to all civil servants in the Northwest Territories. Once a decision has finally been made and employees are affected, those particular employees are notified of the changes.

The Member is aware that prior to making changes due to consolidation and decentralization, we provided a fairly broad-based information program on the workforce adjustment program. Affected employees come under that program. They can look at their career paths, there is priority hiring, retraining for another career in the GNWT, education assistance and enhanced severance payments. So if employees are affected by these changes, it is well known through the publications that go out to civil servants that this program is available to them. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Does part of this program also include meeting with unions, with the staff being present at these meetings?

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Madam Speaker, when decentralization and some consolidation was anticipated, one of the things that was worked out with the union was the workforce adjustment program. The union was fully involved and informed in working out this special program for people who are affected by the changes. Thank you.

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Question 260-12(5): Training For Community Employees

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. It is with regard to the report, Strength at Two Levels. I understand that the villages and hamlets will have to have more power and more authority. I'm not trying to say that people in the communities are not able to perform work properly, but some employees have had difficulty performing the tasks that they are supposed to perform in their jobs. I wonder if the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs has looked at this and the possibility of having more training in reshaping departments. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

(Translation) I thank my colleague, Mr. Pudlat , for asking such a legitimate question. One of the communities has had a problem with regard to exactly the same concern that my colleague has. Our employees are working closely together with the University of Ontario that is working closely together with people who are familiar with organizing local governments or community governments so that the communities and the departments may be more informed. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 261-12(5): Success In Bringing Dental Specialists To The North

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe the Minister of Health is aware that the Special Committee on Health and Social Services made comments about the need to improve dental specialist services and other specialist services in the Northwest Territories. I think he has also been working on proposals that have been offered to the department to bring dental specialists to the north, rather than sending patients to the south. I would like to ask the Minister of Health , Madam Speaker, has he made progress in reversing the situation and having the dental specialists come north? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Health , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, thank you. I was looking for an orthodontist who was a periodontist as well, and I have discovered that the two professions don't go into one person, Madam Speaker. That was what I was hoping for. Those are the two areas that we're looking at, at the present time. I've had discussions with the Dental Association of the Northwest Territories because they are providing services in

some of the communities by bringing people up to do this particular work, as opposed to the patients going south.

In other parts of the Northwest Territories, as we well know, people are being sent south, period. I've discussed it with the Department of Health, I've even talked with the Stanton Hospital board about it, and it would appear to me that inside of the next six weeks I'll be able to make a recommendation on how best to solve this problem.

My feeling is that the recommendation will be that we employ either part-time or by contract or full-time, the services of an orthodontist in the Northwest Territories. With the periodontic work, I think we're going to have to do that on a lesser basis because there's not as much call for that kind of speciality. Nevertheless, we do need to bring that kind of person north, as well.

I'm just gathering some more information, Madam Speaker, from across Canada. I'm finding out that orthodontists are in great demand everywhere. So we're going to have to be lucky to bring somebody up here to handle all of the work. But in the next six weeks, I'm hopeful that I'll have a decision. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 262-12(5): Contract For Coral Harbour School Extension

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works . The school extension in Coral Harbour has been slated for construction this summer. Has there been a contract awarded yet on this project?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. No, there has been no contract awarded.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Since no tender has been issued yet, would the Minister consider that there may be a negotiated contract to benefit the local contractors in the community of Coral Harbour?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would be pleased to discuss that with the Member. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Madam Speaker, I should maybe be a little clearer on this one. Has there been discussion respecting the possibility for a negotiated contract for this project?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As the Member is aware, I wrote to all Members in this House about contracts and capital projects that are being carried out by the Department of Public Works in this construction season. I've written to him as well. I believe this contract was designated to go out as a public tender. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The community education council is getting rather anxious in hearing from the Minister as to what is happening to this school extension. Would the Minister tell us if this can be done within a reasonable time? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'll be in touch with the community by the end of next week. Thank you.

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Question 263-12(5): Status Of Financial Support For Yellowknife Learning Centre

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo , and it has to do with the learning centre.

On February 25, in committee of the whole, the Minister gave a commitment, and I will quote from Hansard, "In the matter of the learning centre here in Yellowknife, I want to indicate to the honourable Member and all Members of Yellowknife, that I have instructed my staff and they are carrying out a meeting with both district boards to resolve the matter to come to a solution of how we deal with the learning centre and the delivery of programming for those students. A meeting will be held on that specific issue. We're trying to be proactive in trying to help bring about a resolution to that matter."

At that time, I thanked the Minister for that response. So I was somewhat surprised that a letter dated the same day to the Yellowknife MLAs said that, "You've already received a copy of my reply explaining why I'm not in a position to respond positively to the request for financial support." I can only assume that letter had already been drafted before the commitment was made in the House. I would like to ask the Minister, is he still prepared to honour his commitment that he made in committee of the whole?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are two issues that the honourable Member should be aware of so there is no confusion in the House. The honourable Member should realize that there was a request from the learning centre parents about a request for financial assistance direct to them. What is clear is that we are now, under our financial arrangements, providing on a per capita basis -- and that includes the students who are in the learning centre -- financial resources direct to the school boards for their education.

What really needs to be done is clearly a working relationship, or at least an arrangement where the learning centre is satisfied that their educational dollars are, in fact, being used properly and in the interests of their children. What we are trying to do is make sure that school boards take responsibility for delivering educational programming.

As such, I will accept -- as I did here, in committee of the whole -- ongoing responsibility for trying to come to some conclusion and resolution to the differences of view that are being held by the parents of those students in the learning centre and the administration of the boards, particularly the differences of Yellowknife Education District No. 1 which seems to be less open to trying to resolve this. We will try to mediate and respond positively to the request that has been made by the honourable Member.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I thank the Minister for that commitment. There are, I think, two issues here, as the Minister said. One is the issue of the level of support for special needs going to the school boards, and that is something that the Minister has already committed to address. The second is the flexibility by both the Department of Education and the school boards to allow different approaches to special needs. A private school is one of those approaches.

I thank the Minister for his response, but I'll ask again, just to clarify for the public record. Will the Minister keep an open mind when he's looking at this whole area and perhaps consider some change of the policy to allow some flexibility to deal with specific needs of special needs students here in Yellowknife?

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Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe that the policy includes the schooling that has been approved by Cabinet and by government, previously. The policy, in our view, is a good policy. We will try to consider the concern that the honourable Member has raised and try to be flexible in our approach. But, at the same time, my concern is that some of the education leadership is not even prepared to consider the policy as it is. Therefore, it makes it very difficult to operate.

I think that having met with the parents of the students at the learning centre, I found some of them to be reasonable and their expectations are that we provide good educational programming. We will try to do our best to respond to that within the confines of the policies that are available to us.

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Question 264-12(5): Emergency Equipment For Hay River Reserve

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 513

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Madam Speaker, I have a copy of a letter written by the previous Minister, Dennis Patterson , and I have a copy of a letter written by the other previous Minister, Mr. Allooloo , with regard to emergency communication equipment on the Hay River reserve.

Madam Speaker, spring is coming and there is the possibility that Hay River may flood. I haven't heard whether the department has provided the reserve with any kind of emergency communication equipment in order to communicate and coordinate an emergency response. I would like to ask the Minister whether the reserve now has emergency communication equipment in the event of a flood.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know whether the Hay River reserve has the equipment at the present time. But I would like to assure the Member at this time that if there isn't equipment necessary to be prepared for the upcoming spring for those areas in the Northwest Territories where flooding does take place and the department is aware, then I will direct the department to be sure that they are well equipped for any emergencies that may arise this coming spring. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have raised the issue of the emergency communication equipment since 1985. I would like to ask the Minister whether he is prepared to look at purchasing this equipment so I wouldn't have to raise the issue every time spring comes.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I understand that the equipment that is required is made available to the Hay River Reserve when it is needed. But, in answer to the request that the honourable Member is making, I will take a look at his request and give it serious consideration. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 265-12(5): Overcrowding Of Victor Sammurtok School

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 513

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . Mr. Minister assured me, when I asked about the discrepancy between the CEC's complaint of overcrowding of Victor Sammurtok School in Chesterfield Inlet and the Keewatin Divisional Board's report to him stating that there is no overcrowding, that he would look into the matter and report back. My question is, has he investigated the situation?

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Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I did raise the question already with them and I have to apologize to the honourable Member but I haven't received a report back yet on that matter. But, I did raise it with the staff.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 266-12(5): Sensitivity To The Difficulties Of Constructing Access Units In Arctic

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On Tuesday, March 1, 1994, I made a statement on the difficulties with construction in the High Arctic with the access program. I think the Housing Corporation could be more sensitive in dealing with the people involved in the home ownership program and recognize the difficulties they have been through, especially in the wintertime. Could the Housing Corporation be more sensitive to people? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Project managers, project officers or inspectors who inspect these access units, their job is to assist the clients to get their access unit completed. They should be sensitive to clients' problems. They should try to assist clients to finish their units on time. That is their job. If employees of the Housing Corporation are not doing their job properly, then I'll address that.

But also, we must remember that we cannot stretch out the building of these units to take years and years so that people are still using public housing and holding up other people from moving into that public housing. The job of the Housing Corporation is to assist clients. If I can get some specific cases from the Member, then I could address that issue. Thank you.

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Question 267-12(5): Role Of Liaison Officer In Small Communities

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 514

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Premier . My colleague from High Arctic raised this issue last week, stating that there is lack of supervision or reliability on the part of some of the government employees, especially in the small communities. What is the role of the government

liaison officer in the small communities to ensure that other departments, like the Public Works, Renewable Resources or Economic Development, are following government instructions, guidelines or terms of reference to serve the government and the community? What is the role of the GLO, as workers representing the Executive? Thank you.

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Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, in the deliberation of the Department of the Executive, we indicated to the Members that over the years the government liaison officers have been assigned some job functions in the communities. What we saw in evaluating the various job functions is that in some communities, many of the GLOs were performing various functions which were quite dissimilar. Some of the liaison officers were filling in for social workers and also in other areas, like renewable resource functions. As a result, we're doing a functional review of regional liaison officers to see just exactly what role they should be taking.

They don't have a supervisory function, they are to mainly work with the regional office concerning what's going on in the communities.

In the Baffin, they've made arrangements to have the GLOs perform certain job functions for Renewable Resources in Hall Beach, Broughton Island and Sanikiluaq. In Fort Smith, they've seen the field service officer position in Hay River transferred to Personnel. Because these functions are varying, we're reviewing them to see which ones we should retain and what the job descriptions should be. We are still doing a functional analysis of those particular positions.

In Tuktoyaktuk, there was a full-time liaison officer which now has been split because the work load just wasn't there yet. The review will soon be complete and we'll have a better indication on how we can make better working relations and more clearly defined job descriptions for those positions that are left, whether they're half-time or full-time.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a lot of questions. Is the government planning to give better terms of reference, not necessarily of a supervisory capacity but of a coordinating role to ensure that the government's budget expectations or terms of reference of other department employees are fully expedited?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, these generic job descriptions that I'm speaking of have been developed for government liaison officers. What we've tried to do is design their job descriptions to fill the needs of the common duties of the GLOs. We are looking at the demands and priorities in each community and region to fit into the job descriptions. I know that because of the evolving responsibilities of community councils, other work that has been taken on to fit requirements of the community, that a lot of the terms of employment were redundant or not really up to date. So, we are trying to tailor the job description to what the priorities are at the community level.

Certainly, I think the question is, that once they are put in place and people fully understand what their job is, would we making sure that we're monitoring so the person really is doing the job? Madam Speaker, that is part of the process of reviewing what people are doing in the outer fields of the Northwest Territories. We will actively implement the follow-up process. Thank you.

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