Debates of Oct. 8th, 1996

This is page numbers 954 - 989 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

NWT Literacy Week

Award Of Service To Masood Hassan By The Transportation Association Of Canada

1995 W.C.B. Annual Report

Literacy Award Recipient Dorothy Beaulieu

Premier's Award Presented To Amittuq Residents

Isabella Bay Bowhead Whale Sanctuary

Update On Activities Of The Keewatin Resupply Committee

Ywca Week Without Violence

Comparative Analysis Between The Pei And NWT Financial Positions

The Need To Proceed With Construction Of A New Baffin Regional Hospital

Improvements Needed To Highway No. 3

National Family Week

Support For The Affirmative Action Policy

The Need To Rationalize Major Government Initiatives

Measures Needed To Combat Breast Cancer In Northern Communities

Community Empowerment Initiatives In The Mackenzie Delta Constituency

Support For Actions That Counter The New Federal Gun Control Legislation

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

User Pay/user Say Initiative

Funding For New Regional Hospitals

Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Society

Construction Of A New Baffin Regional Hospital

Breast Cancer Screening Program

Sale Of Staff Housing

Timelines For Introduction Of A Balanced Budget

Federal Gun Control Legislation

Reconstruction Of Highway No. 3

Reclamation Measures For Yellowknife Mines

Timelines For The Construction Of New Regional Hospitals

Methods To Achieve Community Wellness

Liquor Commission Actions To Heighten Fetal Alcohol Awareness

Current Deficit Of The GNWT

Status Of Trailcross Facility Privatization

Status Of Staff Housing Policy

Claims Rejected By The WCB In 1995

Achieving Wellness Through Community Programs

Lack Of Probation Officers In Communities

Item 7: Written Questions

Written Question 8-13(3): Core Funding For Community-based Healing Programs

Item 13: Tabled Documents

Item 14: Notices Of Motions

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. James Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 954

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good afternoon Members, orders of the day, Ministers' Statements, Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 95-13(3): NWT Literacy Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. Mr. Speaker this is Literacy Week in the Northwest Territories.

Literacy is more than just the ability to read and write -- literacy skills reflect a person's ability to understand and use information. Literacy is also important to maintain and support the aboriginal languages and cultural traditions of the Territories.

Literacy requires the support of all Northerners. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has supported 30 community-based literacy projects. Eighteen more projects are being delivered by the colleges.

We also recognize that improving basic skills among employees in both the private and public sectors is critical to the long-term development of the Northwest Territories. The Department is developing a workplace education strategy which will broaden our literacy partnership with businesses, unions, and community-based employers.

Another important partner is the N.W.T. Literacy Council, which plays a vital role in developing and maintaining links among literacy practitioners. Earlier this fall the Council sponsored a successful literacy training event which attracted more than 70 educators from across the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, Literacy Week is also a time to honour the people dedicated to literacy and I am pleased to announce this year's recipients of the Literacy Recognition Awards:

• Mary King, of Hay River, has volunteered at the local elementary school where she has helped children improve their reading. She organized a summer reading program for students and has been involved with the local parent action committee.

• Helene Usherwood is the Adult Education Instructor at the Tree of Peace Friendship Centre in Yellowknife. She has developed a program grounded in the cultures of First Nations and Metis people. It has helped raise learners' self-awareness and self-confidence.

• Dorothy Beaulieu has taught kindergarten and the Chipewyan language and culture program at Deninoo School in Fort Resolution for 21 years. She is well-respected by the school staff and the community.

• Nunia Qanatsiaq has been involved in literacy as both an educator in Hall Beach and as a student in the teacher education program at Nunavut Arctic College. While completing her Bachelor of Education degree in Iqaluit, Nunia volunteered as the editor of the College's student newspaper. Through Nunia's hard work the newspaper has become the most popular reading material at the College. It has encouraged a great deal of student writing.

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate these award winners, and thank them for their commitment to literacy in the Northwest Territories. I invite the Members of this House to join me for a brief presentation of the Literacy Awards in the Great Hall later this afternoon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 95-13(3): NWT Literacy Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Minister's statement, Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 96-13(3): Award Of Service To Masood Hassan By The Transportation Association Of Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to inform the Assembly that a senior official of the Department of Transportation is receiving national recognition for his contribution to Canadian transportation.

Mr. Masood Hassan, Director of Transportation Planning in the Department of Transportation since 1991, is being presented with an award of service by the Transport Association of Canada at its annual conference this month. The Association gives this award each year to a few selected individuals who have made a long term contribution to the Association and to Canadian transportation.

The citation for the award states that Mr. Hassan is among a selected group of transportation professionals in Canada who have successfully contributed to all aspects of Canadian transportation, encompassing professional practice, teaching, research, and publications. Mr. Speaker, I ask members of the Assembly to join me in congratulating Mr. Hassan in this achievement.

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Minister's Statement 96-13(3): Award Of Service To Masood Hassan By The Transportation Association Of Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 955

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' Statement, Mr. Todd

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Minister's Statement 97-13(3): 1995 W.C.B. Annual Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate later time today I will table the annual report of the Workers Compensation Board for the period January 1 to December 31, 1995.

In 1995, 5,865 businesses registered with the W.C.B., of these more than 3,100 employed one or more workers, 3,600 claims for compensation were accepted, 64 percent from engine workers between 25 and 44 and more than half from Fort Smith region. In addition, 19 traditional harvesters or their dependants received benefits under government agreement initiated in 1994. The W.C.B. awarded the supplementary pension increase last year of 1.3 percent, equal to the increase in the C.P.I. It also recommended a $1,500 increase in the year's maximum insurable remuneration.

YMEA announced an 8 percent reduction in the average assessment rate for 1996. Major time loss claims were reduced, there were fewer requests for review, and fewer appeals of decisions.

Employer assessments totalled $24.4 million last year and $13.3 million was realized from board investment. The W.C.B. paid out 3.2 million for workers injured in 1995, and $14.2 million for those injured in previous years. An additional $24.4 million was set aside to cover the future trust of any and all existing claims. Of the year ended in 1995, the W.C.B. was fully funded, it had maintained its capacity to reserve at the required level of $4.7 million, and added a surplus of $7.8 million to its operating reserve which now totals $13.9 million.

Well, there is no doubt, Mr. Speaker, that the Workers' Compensation Board has met its statutory responsibilities. The true measure of this organization however, is that it did it, did more than it was obligated to do. The Board took steps to improve both its fiscal responsibility and customer service. A new investment policy and governor's plan were developed as a result, W.C.B.'s asset mix was changed to put more emphasis on equity investments. International equities were added to the mix, and clear rules were established for rebalancing its portfolio.

The safety initiative and rate reduction production was implemented to promote safety in the workplace, and make the collective liability system more equitable. Employer claims manager was introduced without employers taking an active role in managing their workers compensation claims. Industrial classifications were reviewed in 1995 and the number of sub-classes were reduced to provide greater stability for the investment rates, Mr. Speaker. An extensive policy review was undertaken, a new policy manual is now available for all stakeholders.

A program was developed to promote safety amongst the North's artists and carvers, and to increase their awareness of the coverage available from the W.C.B. A special needs audit was performed on pensioners with significant disabilities, approximately 50 employers in 12 communities participated in the board's on the job training program to return workers to the workplace, and over 2,000 unemployed workers took

part in the safety training.

Mr. Speaker, in the coming years, the W.C.B. will meet its new responsibilities for occupational health and safety, it will continue to address the expansion of non-renewable resource industries and prepare for the vision and the growth of Nunavut. I would like to personally commend the board of directors and the staff of the W.C.B. for providing a strong foundation on which the NWT/WCB can address the future. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 97-13(3): 1995 W.C.B. Annual Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Ministers' statements. At this time I would like to recognize a group of grade 5 and 6 students from Weledeh Catholic School and their teacher, John Cain, welcome to the Assembly. Members' statement, Mr. Morin .

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Literacy Award Recipient Dorothy Beaulieu

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my honour and privilege today, as MLA from Tu Nedhe to recognize the well-known and well respected and well-loved of my home community of Fort Resolution, in announcing this year's literacy award winners the Honourable Mr. Dent , has already told you about Dorothy Beaulieu. A teacher who is helping to keep the Chipewyan language alive for both children and adults in Fort Resolution. And how her support of aboriginal language development makes her a valuable role model to others in the community. Dorothy, along with four others will be recognized in a brief ceremony, later this afternoon, in the Great Hall.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to tell you a little more about Dorothy, who is in the visitor's gallery today. And explain to you why she is a special and valued member of our community.

Dorothy has taught kindergarten and the Chipewyan language and culture program at Deninoo School, in Fort Resolution for the past 21 years and she started teaching at a very very young age. As the first teacher for young people entering school for the first time, Dorothy makes a point of greeting them personally and warmly as they enter her classroom. With that kind of welcome kindergarten or school is no longer a scary prospect but rather a place where the kids go to visit Auntie Dorothy. And after 21 years of teaching, you can imagine how many students were greeted by Auntie Dorothy and how many lives she has touched and changed.

Mr. Speaker, I am honoured to be able to speak today about Auntie Dorothy and I will be very proud to present the literacy award to her later this afternoon.

On behalf of all of Fort Resolution, and the hundreds of people who she has taught and encouraged, I would like to thank her for her strength, her warmth and her caring.

Our community and the lives of our young people are richer because of her.

Mr. Speaker, everyone basically in Fort Resolution knows Dorothy Beaulieu as a kindergarten teacher. Everyone affectionately addresses her as Auntie Beaulieu, including myself. We do that with the greatest of respect because she has made many many changes and encouraged young people to continue their education and encouraged them through their first years in Deninoo School, including all four of my sons.

With that I would just like to add a special thanks to Auntie Dorothy.

Mahsi cho.

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Literacy Award Recipient Dorothy Beaulieu

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' Statement, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Premier's Award Presented To Amittuq Residents

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would personally like to thank the Premier , first of all.

On August 1, last summer, that he was able to present a reward to my riding and I would like to thank him personally for what he has done to my riding. Thank you.

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Premier's Award Presented To Amittuq Residents

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ningark .

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Isabella Bay Bowhead Whale Sanctuary

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I advised the House that I would not be in Assembly yesterday due to the fact I would be in Iqaluit. Over the weekend members of Baffin Central and I attended a joint meeting of Isabella Bay Steering Committee and officials of NTI.

The Isabella Bay Steering Committee is a committee of Clyde River Hunters and Trappers Association of which I am a member.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to working with the people of Clyde River and NTI and the protection of Isabella Bay area. Thank you.

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Isabella Bay Bowhead Whale Sanctuary

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Ningark . Members' statement Mr. O'Brien .

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Update On Activities Of The Keewatin Resupply Committee

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, early last spring, the honourable Jim Antoine , Minister of Transportation , agreed to strike a committee to review the Keewatin

resupply issue, which included the proposed Rankin Inlet tank farm.

Mr. Speaker, the committee consists of all members of Keewatin, a representative from the KIA, three MLAs from the area and a representative from the Infrastructure committee. The Minister of Transportation also asked if I would chair this committee and I agreed to do so.

Mr. Speaker, meetings were held in Arviat and Baker Lake and a third and possible final meeting will be hosted by the hamlet of Chesterfield Inlet early in November.

Mr. Speaker, this committee has retained the services of Mr. Peter Allen to act as independent consultant to review all information and data compiled in this issue, and also to verify and support all options that may be available to the committee. To date, the committee has been presented with five possible options relating to the best solutions for the Keewatin resupply issue. During the last meeting at Baker Lake, the committee, stakeholders and delegates were presented with the options, pros and cons, of each option as well as the capital funding required for each.

Mr. Speaker, the options were as follows:

Base Case, which is the status quo, Churchill.

Modified Status Quo, full hub,

Rankin Inlet, split hub.

Direct resupply, and

Mixed hub.

Mr. Speaker, it should be noted that a great deal of new information has come to light, during the review of the fuel resupply study and it is fair to state that things have changed since the original presentation was released by this government approximately a year ago.

Mr. Speaker, it is also fair to state that the recommendation that will be agreed to will be based on capital funding available and also which option will best serve all Keewatin communities in a fair and equitable manner.

Mr. Speaker, it is the committee's intent to have a formal report ready for this house with a feasible and equitable recommendation by year's end.

Mr. Speaker, at this point, I would like to thank the members of the committee, stakeholders, and all of those who participated to date in this review. Thank you.

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Update On Activities Of The Keewatin Resupply Committee

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statement, Mr. Dent .

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Ywca Week Without Violence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Quyannimik Ohaqte. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a long history of empowering women and families, fostering racial and social justice, and preventing violence. In communities across Canada, the YWCA is leading the way to a violence-free society.

I am pleased to inform this House that this is the first annual "YWCA Week Without Violence." It is a national crusade to end violence in our daily lives.

Mr. Speaker, across the Territories, and indeed across the country, too many people, particularly women, are still living in violent conditions -- whether that be in the form of physical, emotional or sexual abuse. We all know the statistics, and I am sure Members will agree that they are not something to be proud of.

In February, 1994, this House adopted a motion which was unprecedented in Canada and one which won us a lot of praise. It was a declaration of zero tolerance for violence. Unfortunately, leaders of aboriginal organizations, municipal governments, trade unions and boards and agencies have been slow to follow the example set by the Legislative Assembly.

During the 12th Assembly, I was proud to sponsor a private Member's bill which ensures that a person convicted of an offence involving violence against another person may not continue to serve as a Member.

One of its initiatives is the provision of a crisis shelter for abused women and children. Alison MacAteer house opened as an eight bed facility in 1986. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, the demand for access to the shelter has continued to increase ever since.

There is a different theme each day during this week's YWCA week without violence. Today's theme is "Making our Schools Safer". Mr. Speaker, thankfully, violence in northern school yards has not reached the same level that is prevalent in many schools in the south. However, abusive language, insults, obscene gestures and physical attacks occur too often in some NWT schools, especially at the junior and senior high school levels. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Ywca Week Without Violence

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . The Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays, you have unanimous consent, Mr. Dent .

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Ywca Week Without Violence

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you Mr. Speaker, honourable Members.

Mr. Speaker, we all have a role to play in ridding society of this plague of violence. I applaud the leadership role displayed by the YWCA and I urge all Members of this House and all NWT residents to live this week without perpetrating, observing or investing in violence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Member's Statement, Mr. Henry .

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Comparative Analysis Between The Pei And NWT Financial Positions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to share some interesting statistics with my honourable colleagues today, I have here figures comparing the problems of Prince Edward Island with the Northwest Territories. I am providing this information because there is an important lesson to be learned from it. As the smallest province, PEI's population is closest to that of the Northwest Territories. Our population is 66,000

whereas PEI has 137,000, our government's budgets are similar. In 1996/97 PEI had an $800 million budget, and the Northwest Territories had a $1.2 billion budget. We expect to spend about 3 - 4 million in interest charges this year. Prince Edward Island's government had to allocate over $120 million to service their debt which has grown to almost $1 billion, that 120 million represents 15 percent of the total expenditures of the province's government and is the second largest item in the budget next to salaries of provincial government employees. In our case, Mr.

Speaker, that percentage would represent over $180 million, we have already made substantial cuts in this years budget to stay as far away from that debt such as PEI has. You imagine what $180 million in cuts would mean in the Northwest Territories, it would mean cutting out 100 percent of our capital projects, or could it mean cutting the size of the public service in half. The fact, Mr. Speaker, is that we simply can't handle a debt load of that size. At least Prince Edward Island gets 60 percent of their revenues from sources they can control.

In our case only about 20 percent of our revenue is from sources other than from the federal government. We have to learn from the mistakes of others, we do not dare let ourselves get into the situation similar to that of Prince Edward Island, we must balance our budget as soon as possible. Our plan as an Assembly upon approving this year's budget was that we would

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Comparative Analysis Between The Pei And NWT Financial Positions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' Statement, Mr. Barnabas .

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The Need To Proceed With Construction Of A New Baffin Regional Hospital

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For many years my people have been going to hospital. For them a trip to hospital was not down the road. Many of them have travelled by ship, airplane and even railroad to get to a hospital in the south. Many of our relatives did not return from southern hospitals, even now, we are still locating the graves of our relatives.

Mr. Speaker, our people have very mixed feelings about hospitals over the years but we all agree that getting a hospital in our region was a vast improvement over ending up in Hamilton, Ontario. We still travel a long way to our hospital and it is still complicated. We recognize the reality that a hospital for each community is not possible. We also recognize that there is only one hospital in the Baffin region. Fifteen thousand people in an area of two thousand kilometres from end to end with some of the most difficult weather and flying conditions in the world.

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The Need To Proceed With Construction Of A New Baffin Regional Hospital

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An Hon. Member

Shame.

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The Need To Proceed With Construction Of A New Baffin Regional Hospital

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Mr. Speaker, one good hospital with good equipment, dedicated staff and enough room to ... (inaudible) ... and service is not too much to ask. Our region has one of the highest birth rates in the world and our mothers are obliged to travel to the hospital for a majority of their births.

The attitude of the government toward this new hospital project is not good enough. I will be working with my colleagues and the Minister responsible to ensure that this project is given the priority it deserves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Some Hon. Members

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members statement, Mr. Rabesca .

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Improvements Needed To Highway No. 3

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Page 960

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know my colleague Mr. Jake Ootes has mentioned this topic previously, I feel however, that the number three highway is very important to the safety and the economic future of the North Slave and the Yellowknife residents. I have looked at the statistics for this road and have found that the ... (inaudible) ... the increase of accidents on the Highway No. 3 over the past few years.

This is a cause that is related to the additional amount of traffic, due in part to the increased amount of exploration involvement of mines.

What will it be like if when BHP and other potential mining groups start production at their sites? It seems to me the accidents on the roads will climb considerably. I know that this government insists that the road will be upgraded, starting in two years, but I believe that we must move this project ahead in order to protect our residents.

Tourists provide economic benefits to the region and also the rest of the western territory. This highway was ... (inaudible) ... into southern Canada as well as the rest of North America, it should be given the first priority. Please consider this as notice to the Minister that I will be asking questions on this very important issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members statement, Mr. Erasmus .

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National Family Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 961

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to read a press release from Family Services in Yellowknife, entitled "Re-discovering Family Strengths" and it is in honour of National Family Week from October 7th to 13th, 1996.

"This week we celebrate National Family Week. We join with Family Services Canada and local family service agencies across Canada including our own NWT Family Services to re-discover family strengths and to reinforce family strengths for our own sakes, for the sake of our children and their children and beyond.

We seek to re-discover and celebrate the ways families support and help their members through life's many changes, through life's joys and sorrows.

We seek to rediscover the basics of what families are all about, caring, nurturing, supporting and developing the potential of all their members.

This rediscovery belongs to all of us. To the families themselves and the individuals who belong to them, to the institutions and agencies who serve them in health and education and all the other areas, to communities, to employers, to governments, to all of us working together.

In the words of poet, D.H. Lawrence, "I am part of the sun, as my eye is part of me. That I am part of the earth, my feet know perfectly and my blood is part of the sea. My soul knows that I am part of the human race, my soul is an organic part of the great human race, as my spirit is part of my nation. In my very own self I am part of my family."

So let us all together, during this National Family Week, and all year long rediscover and celebrate the strengths and achievements of our families. The strengths and achievements of your family and all families in your community.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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National Family Week

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Page 961

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Support For The Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 961

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker almost 30 years ago the Government of the Northwest Territories moved north from Ottawa.

At that time, it was common practice to hire from the south. Beginning in the mid-1980s this government made a commitment to the people of the Northwest Territories to support the hiring of northerners through the Affirmative Action Policy.

Mr. Speaker, despite this policy being in place for a number of years, the statistics are still abysmal. While there has been some success at the lower levels of the government, the number of aboriginal people and long-term northerners in our ranks is still very small.

We talked a good story about commitment to employ northern people, however actions speak louder than words. Our deputy minster level positions and other senior management level positions are our highest profile positions. Surely the government should demonstrate its support of homegrown talent by starting to appoint some of the very qualified aboriginal people and long-term Northerners to these positions when they come open.

How long will we ask the people of the Northwest Territories to continue to be the hewers of wood and drawers of water while we continue to bring people in with little or no northern background to fill most of our senior positions? When will this government start recognizing the talents, abilities and fresh ideas of those right here? Thank you.

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Support For The Affirmative Action Policy

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Page 962

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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The Need To Rationalize Major Government Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 962

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have seen a number of dramatic changes introduced in the last year, in the way the government does business.

New initiatives such as the consolidation of departments, privatization of government services and infrastructure and community empowerment are all fundamental changes to the way this government works.

But I, Mr. Speaker, have serious questions about the implementation of these initiatives. Plans are being put into place before they have been extensively debated and while internal reviews are still in progress.

The major initiatives of this government must be subject to a rationalization test. That is, the Minister or department responsible for a new initiative should be able to make a concise presentation covering the purpose of the change, the benefits, the risks, the savings, the costs, the up side and the down side.

Using the example of community empowerment, it seems that there is no middle ground between the portrayal of the status quo as a dictatorship by a central far away government, with no communication with the communities and the image of community empowerment as a wholesale offloading of responsibility to communities.

Yet, there is a perception that to question the implementation of community empowerment is to speak against the principle of community consultation, respect and attentiveness to the needs of our constituents.

There must be middle ground where community empowerment really is the best of both worlds. With important decisions being made at the community level but with adequate monitoring by a central government.

This government has not convinced me of that. I have not heard a clear explanation of how the government will maintain responsibility for the health, welfare and safety of our citizens if community transfer initiatives fail.

I have not heard a clear explanation of the rationale for the amalgamation and consolidations of departments that have taken place and are planned for the future.

I have not heard a clear explanation regarding hardship through such things as the privatization of the petroleum products division in a marketplace where competition is not a viable safeguard. I would like to hear Members speak out to delay or oppose such initiatives until Members are satisfied that the rationales make sense and are in the best long term interest of the people we represent. Let us make sure that the road we are charging down takes us where we actually want to go. Thank you.

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Page 962

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Groenewegen . Members' statement, Mr. Ootes .

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Measures Needed To Combat Breast Cancer In Northern Communities

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Page 962

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was visited yesterday by Meril Faulkner, a friend and a constituent of mine. A few years ago Meril was diagnosed with breast cancer. Fortunately, the tumour was detected early and Meril was treated successfully. Yesterday she told me of two of her friends who were less fortunate. One died from this awful

Mr. Speaker, I am sorry to report that the NWT has been slow to respond to federal initiatives to launch screening and information programs and campaigns. We have the stationary mammography clinic at the Stanton Regional Hospital. Residents of the western Arctic make appointments when they travel to Yellowknife. This arrangement looks okay on paper, but Meril raised a good question when she asked how many people know they can, can not, or should make use of this service.

A brief look at some statistics suggests the message is not getting out to the people who need to know. For example, records show that Dene and Metis women make far less use of the mammography clinic than non-native women.

Mr. Speaker, 82 northern women were diagnosed with breast cancer between 1980 and 1993. Thirty-three have died. We may not be able to do much to prevent the incidents of breast cancer, however, I agree with Meril when she says we can do a lot to prevent deaths from breast cancer. Screening is the key. In Saskatchewan, doctors have a portable mammography unit. They use it to run screening clinics in the province's remote aboriginal communities.

We may not have the money to buy such a machine right now, but we do have the ability to ensure northerners are aware of the important role screening and regular examinations play in early diagnosis and successful treatment of breast cancer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 963

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statement, Mr. Krutko .

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Community Empowerment Initiatives In The Mackenzie Delta Constituency

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Page 963

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

This government talks about community empowerment, but when a community or region wants to take initiatives to establish facilities to help in the area of empowering their communities to deal with community wellness and also to deal with the whole problem, social problems that arise in these communities where we do not have an economic base, like most communities, and also the expenditures that this government spends in southern institutions, with no blink of an eye which are still sending people to southern facilities and paying a lot more than what has presently been allocated to Gwich'in Healing Society.

The Government can talk about fairness and being equitable to all regions, I would like to see them practice it in my riding as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Community Empowerment Initiatives In The Mackenzie Delta Constituency

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Members' statements,

Mr. Antoine .

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Support For Actions That Counter The New Federal Gun Control Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 964

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Because today, I have an interpreter, so I will be saying this in my own language.

When we were elected to be MLAs to be sitting in this House, we are here to represent all the community, all the people from the communities. So, when we are in the House here dealing with matters, it seems like we do things on our own in here, it seems like we do not involve the people. Right now we are assembling in the fall time, my wish was that I was out there hunting instead, but I think things like this, when we get together like this, we are suppose to be representing the peoples from the communities.

There are a lot of important issues that we are dealing with and this will all involve the people from the communities, so I think they should be more involved. Now is the fall hunting season now and I am thinking about the gun regulations, the paper that the federal government had brought out. I often think about things like how these gun regulations affect people out there in the community. The people out in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Yukon, they are taking these gun laws to court because they do not agree with the laws. In our part of the country there are a lot of people who use, they use guns to go out hunting.

Even the younger kids know how to handle guns, they are allowed to go out hunting, this is the way they are raised. Right now what we are hearing about what the government is saying there is a lack of funding for a lot of projects, so another way people can provide for themselves is to go out on the land and hunt for themselves, so I think the gun regulations, I think we really should support the people of the community on the gun regulations. Thank you.

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Support For Actions That Counter The New Federal Gun Control Legislation

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Page 964

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements, are there any further Members' statements? Returns to oral questions, returns to oral questions, recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 964

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Mr. Louie Pilakapsi, Mr. Pilakapsi is the former president of the KIA, former mayor of the community of Rankin Inlet, has been an active spokesperson for Inuit in a claim and the drive towards Nunavut for the last 20 years, a man that I have a lot of respect for. Thank you.

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Page 964

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 964

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a constituent from Hay River today, a respected elder in Hay River, Mrs. Florence Larocque.

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Page 964

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Dorothy Beaulieu, a respected teacher from Fort Resolution who is here today to receive a literacy award, and I would just like to recognize Dorothy now. Thank you.

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Page 964

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Dent .

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Page 964

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would like to recognize Helene Usherwood today, who I spoke about earlier in my Minister's Statement. She will also receive a literacy recognition award this afternoon and, although I think she may have just stepped out of the Chambers, she has with her the entire Tree of Peace adult education class, so I would like to recognize both Helene Usherwood and the Tree of Peace adult education class, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 964

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Rabesca .

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Page 965

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two of my constituency reps here this afternoon in the gallery. Their names are Coral McSweet and Louisa Smothnic. I think they are still in the gallery.

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Page 965

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize someone from my home community, Rene Francis and anybody else up there from Mackenzie Delta, welcome.

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Page 965

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko , welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize some visitors in the gallery from the Yellowknife North constituency, Mrs. Caroline Larocque, Miss Charlotte Woods and Beatrice Woods and I would like to add that I have known this family since I was a very young boy and I would like to welcome them to the gallery.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize some constituents of Yellowknife South, Mabel Loutitt, Angus Christensen and Loli Willy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would like to recognize a former constituent of Kugluktuk. Richard Hytuk is in the gallery. Thank you.

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Page 965

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 419-13(3): User Pay/user Say Initiative

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 965

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister of Public Works and Services on this new user pay/user say program.

Could the Minister elaborate on the rationale for cutting that pot of money by up to twenty-five percent and then expecting departments and agencies and boards to be able to pick up the extra cost. How do they anticipate these various agencies and arms of government to be able to do that? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister Responsible for Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 419-13(3): User Pay/user Say Initiative

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 965

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The user pay/user say initiative was one of the new directions of Cabinet, earlier his year and the philosophy there is that, once we let managers manage and departments take care of their own utility costs, phone costs and other costs, that they will be able to manage their resources and money in a more cost effective way and therefore we expect that departments will be able to deliver their own services at a less cost than was done previously.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 965

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, oral questions supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Supplementary To Question 419-13(3): User Pay/user Say Initiative

Question 419-13(3): User Pay/user Say Initiative

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 965

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize this is an initiative that has a lot of merit on paper and it may have in reality as well. Is there going to be a tracking mechanism to ensure that should there be different departments in the government, or different agencies, that cannot survive this, or cannot

cope with this new approach, that there will be a way to accommodate that so that we can not create a possible, a real problem, by not tracking this as we try to implement this to see, if in fact, it will meet the goals we have set out?

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Question 419-13(3): User Pay/user Say Initiative

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, we do recognize that there may be problems in some areas where we are providing departments with a bit less money than we had spent previously, but that is part of the overall deficit reduction of programs that we have and yes, indeed, we will keep an eye on how the departments are doing and keep track of the progress and really it is too early to tell how the departments are doing, but we do expect them to live within the budgets that we give them.

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Question 420-13(3): Funding For New Regional Hospitals

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 966

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Yesterday the Minister of Health said that in reply to a question from Iqaluit MLA that the money for the Baffin and Inuvik hospitals will be found when construction begins. Construction is scheduled for 1999 and the year 2000. Where will we get this money?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The funding for those projects will have to come from a combination of federal funding contributions and from capital estimates that are approved through this Legislative Assembly, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

I did not hear his reply, but my second question, can the Minister reply what happened to the eleven million dollars that the federal government gave us for the Inuvik and Baffin hospitals?

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Mr. Ng , perhaps you could respond to his first question, clarify his first question, and then answer the second one.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. In response to the first question I indicated that the funding would have to come from a combination of contributions from the federal government for their cost sharing arrangement and secondly through appropriations approval through this Government of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly, to finance the projects. In respect to the supplementary question, in response to that, on where are the payments from the federal government, the pre-payments that they have given to this government.

As I have indicated in answering questions to other honourable Members, that money has gone into the general consolidated revenue fund of this government in the years that they were received, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 966

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services , Kelvin Ng . Could the Minister tell me exactly the initiatives that have been taken ... (inaudible) ... nurses only healing program ... (inaudible) ... and also what funds have been allocated to other facilities in, not only the Northwest Territories, but southern Canada, are

we still funding southern facilities to this date, who are they, and at what cost to this government?

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Thank you, Mr. Krutko . That was two questions. Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, those are specific detailed questions and I do not have that information here. I will commit to providing that information to the honourable Member.

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Question 422-13(3): Construction Of A New Baffin Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 967

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday the Minister of Health , Kelvin Ng , said that the federal government had transferred eight million dollars, but the P.L. Escalator eleven million dollars to the territorial government for the Inuvik and Baffin hospitals, where is the money now?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know why my answers are not coming through to the honourable Members. I have said that the money, the payments, that have been received on a yearly basis from the federal government have been put into the general consolidated revenue fund of the Government of the Northwest Territories on a yearly basis as they have been received. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The people of the Baffin have been waiting for a long time for their new hospital. When will it be built, now when the GNWT has no money?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated on numerous occasions, it will be built when the financing is secured from both the federal government and from our government, to allow projects in both Inuvik and Iqaluit to proceed in a timely fashion Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

What year will the hospitals be built?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time we do not have a definitive date on when construction would start, or when construction would finish. It would depend on planning out the facilities and securing financing for those facilities Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will cancel my question.

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Question 423-13(3): Breast Cancer Screening Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 968

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health . Earlier I spoke about breast cancer screening programs for the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I guess if we had a lot of money, I would ask the Minister if he would consider obtaining and purchasing a portable mammography unit so that screening could be done by doctors in, and hold clinics in the communities. Given our fiscal situation, I understand that this is impractical this year, but if the Minister could give me an idea if he would consider this for next year, or at least put it into the planning program.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker if health boards and agencies put forth the request and justified the long term savings as a result of having this type of piece of equipment to provide services for constituents certainly it would be something I would take into consideration. Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I heard the Minister state that if it was up to the health boards, and the hospitals, if they saw a need for it, I am asking the Minister, and I think it is evident that we need it, a breast screening program in the Northwest Territories, and I wonder if the Minister would look at this question again, that I asked, will he consider putting this into the process for a future year, perhaps within the three or four years program. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what I am trying to convey to the honourable Members is the fact that we put in our capital submissions on behalf of health boards and agencies to provide health care services throughout the Northwest Territories, so if there was a request that came forward, from that board requesting this type of equipment, and we felt that it was appropriate, then I would, as the Minister of Health , submit that on their behalf for financing, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly, I am not positive right now what information, what programs that are currently in place throughout the Northwest Territories, but certainly, I will check into that matter, and advise the Member accordingly. Thank you.

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Question 424-13(3): Sale Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 969

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for the sale of staff housing. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise how many staff houses have been sold to date since the inception of this program? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd . Mr. Todd , would you like to respond again because it is not in the Hansard, you responded too fast.

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Keewatin Central

No, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That eliminates my second question, I will go to my third. Can the Minister advise this House, what is the criteria for a staff person who wishes to be eligible for a housing unit?

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Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They have to live in the house, I believe, at this time, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker. I can assure you Mr. Todd , these are my questions. Can the Minister advise the House how many units are presently owned by staffers and how many are owned by private corporations or development corporations? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I do not know if the Minister will have the details, but those types of questions could be in written format for the Minister's response but, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer to both questions is, no, no. If they want to make a written question, they could provide that to the honourable Member. Yes.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I will not be making a big question on this, but I would ask when the Minister would have this information available to this House? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

When I am asked for it in a written question, then.

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Thank you, Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 425-13(3): Timelines For Introduction Of A Balanced Budget

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 969

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance regarding government debt concerns, which I mentioned earlier in my member's statement.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that the Minister is as anxious as I am to ensure the Government of the Northwest Territories avoids such a fate as Prince Edward Island, regarding their large debt. Can the Minister assure this House and the citizens of the Northwest Territories, that the budget, he and the cabinet colleagues are preparing for 1997/98 will be a balanced budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance . Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A very important question that, which as of today, and I would like to assure my honourable colleague that in keeping with our original plan for a two year strategy to meet the balanced budget that I will be making a statement tomorrow or the next day with respect to the current situation, which I believe is, we are on track, and am confident that with the Members support, of course, on the continuing commitment to balance the budget for 1997 that we will meet that track and under no circumstances do we want to place ourselves in a position where both the children east and west are left with a legacy of debt. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions, Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 426-13(3): Federal Gun Control Legislation

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 970

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ever since the gun control legislation was announced by the federal government, northerners have been concerned about it would be and the impact it would have on all of us. In the middle of August this year, the federal Minister, Alan Rock, unveiled the new licensing fee structure. The document was hard to read and hard to understand, clarification was supposed to come by the end of August. It has been nine weeks since the structure was announced. Has the Minister of Justice received clarification from the federal Department of Justice. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Justice . Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to my knowledge, Mr. Speaker, No, not at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 427-13(3): Reconstruction Of Highway No. 3

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 970

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you are aware, I expressed some concern over the sections of Highway No. 3 between Rae Junction and Yellowknife. It is slated to start reconstruction in two years. I feel the potential amount of increased traffic on this

section of road will make it very dangerous to drive. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Transportation if he would consider bringing this construction ahead to start this coming year, instead of waiting for two years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 970

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the highway

section from kilometre 243 to kilometre 335 Highway No. 3, that the Honourable Member is concerned about, between Rae and Yellowknife.

I just want to say that last Friday when I drove on that highway and coming back again on Sunday, I noticed that the transportation workers were working very hard trying to get the road in good shape before it freezes, so that they will have a good road surface throughout the winter. The people that work on this road, I stopped and talked to them, and they were saying that they are trying to maintain the road as best as they can, under the circumstances, so I would, first of all like to commend the workers, that work on that stretch of highway for doing a good job.

As for answering the Honourable Member's question, Mr. Speaker, I just want to say that pre designed planning is now being finalized for the reconstruction for this

section of road between Rae and Yellowknife. I know that this

section is one of the most heavily travelled in the Northwest Territories. It is programmed for reconstruction to bring it up to the same standard as we have on the rest of the route from Yellowknife to the Alberta border. The existing conditions have been documented and identified. Alternate arrangements for construction are being undertaken at this present time. So there is a lot of work being done in pre-planning, Mr. Speaker. A lot of work still has to get into it in the pre-planning stage, because this particular part of the country is bedrock and granite, which the road passes over.

The cost per kilometre is estimated to be two and half to about three times as expensive as the reconstruction of the highway south of Edzo. I am told that the cost is about $300,000 per kilometre to reconstruct the road between Edzo and Providence. You could use your mathematics to determine that it is going to cost quite a bit per kilometre to rebuild the road between here and Rae.

As we all know, the financial situation that we are in is driving this whole government. To bring it up and try to meet the budget deficit as we are all trying to do here, we are all committed to do, it is going to be impossible to move it up sooner than what the honourable Member is asking. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Rabesca .

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister considered possible investors to assist with this project as there are a number of parties out there that will benefit from the improved road service, such as different mining companies, and other organizations that may have interests in improving the road system? There must be upgrades on this road as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Page 971

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department is exploring the potential of developing this road by developing partnerships between the government and the private sector and aboriginal partnerships. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 428-13(3): Reclamation Measures For Yellowknife Mines

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 971

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question is for the Premier . Just prior to that, looking at the Hansard from yesterday, and I did not realize that the Premier had indicated he did not know that we would be in session at the end of November. I just wanted to inform the Premier that indeed, we will be in session during the end of November. So he does not have to worry about bringing everybody back to discuss the amalgamation of Transportation, Housing and Public Works and Services.

Mr. Speaker, the City of Yellowknife was founded on gold mining, and this mining activity is still very evident around us today. There has been some speculation that at least one mine is reaching the end of its ore reserves over the next decade. There are significant reclamation issues that will require resolution at that time. Can the Premier confirm what measures are being taken to ensure that adequate resources have been set aside so that adequate reclamation measures will be taken at the time that mining activity is concluded.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

I will take that question as notice, and have the Minister responsible respond to the Member through this House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 429-13(3): Timelines For The Construction Of New Regional Hospitals

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 972

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we have heard here throughout the day, the dollars for the new hospitals are going into the general revenue. We are hunting to find the rest. Mr. Speaker, I am quite concerned with what is happening here. I would like to know from the Minister of Health and Social Services what priority are the hospitals, on, on the capital plan? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 972

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Ng .

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Page 972

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the hospital projects continue to be a high priority of the Department of Health and Social Services over the balance of this term. They are the most significant capital project that this government will ever undertake. I would like to reassure the honourable Members that I will do everything in my powers to ensure that we can try to address the needs of both Inuvik and Iqaluit in providing proper health care facilities for their communities, and the service areas they service, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The second question to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Can we expect that the hospitals will be built during the time of this government? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot definitely say whether or not they will or will not be built during the term of this government. As we all know, there are only two and a half years left in the mandate of this government. Having said that, though, I know, that work continues to be made on both of the projects and, we are hoping that we can resolve all these issues as soon as possible, to reassure people where we are heading for these two facilities, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 430-13(3): Methods To Achieve Community Wellness

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