Debates of June 13th, 2012

This is page numbers 1137 - 1162 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was information .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 44-17(3): Premier’s Awards

Minister’s Statement 45-17(3): Graduation Congratulations

Tribute To Cole Philipp, Diamond Jubilee Medal Recipient

Trout Lake Airport Relocation Project

Tribute To Mr. Raymond Taniton On The Publication Of His Book, “at The Heart Of It”

Creation Of An Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

Post-Secondary Support For Students With Disabilities In Transitional Vocational Programs

Community Self-Government Initiatives

Duty-Free Exemptions For Cross-Border Shopping

Congratulations To Hay River Secondary School Graduates

Appreciation Of Public Servants And Members Of The Legislative Assembly In The Budget Process

Support And Training For Employment Standards Officers

Congratulations To The Graduation Classes In Fort Mcpherson And Tsiigehtchic

Tribute To Mrs. Irene Sanderson Of Fort Smith

Congratulations To Tu Nedhe Recipients Of The Premier’s Awards

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Premier’s Collaboration Award

Support For Employment Standards Officers

Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

Funding For Transitional Vocational Programming

Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

Delay In Federal Pension Cheques To Fort Good Hope Seniors

Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

Inuvik Petroleum Show

Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

Role Of The Hamlet Councils In Infrastructure Development

Appealed Decisions Of Employment Standards Officers

Response To Anti-Bullying Motion

Need For Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

Changes To Restrictions For Norman Wells Liquor Store

Petition 1-17(3): Rents Charged To Seniors Living In Public Housing

Tabled Document 33-17(3): Government Of The Northwest Territories Response To Motion 5-17(2), Anti-Bullying Measures

Tabled Document 34-17(3): Take A Kid Trapping And Harvesting Report 2010-2011 Tabled Document 35-17(3): Growing Forward – Small Scale Foods Program 2011 Annual Report

Tabled Document 36-17(3): List Of Interactivity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 For The Period April 1, 2011, To March 31, 2012 Tabled Document 37-17(3): Northern Land Use Guidelines – Northwest Territories Seismic Operations

Bill 10: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 7, 2010-2011

Bill 11: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), No. 4, 2010-2011

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2012-2013

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Judicature Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Securities Act

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2012-2013

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters

Implement Access And Privacy Legislation For Municipalities

Completion Of New Health Information Act

Undertake Comprehensive Review Of Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act

Develop Curriculum For Grades 1 To 12 Re Protection Of Privacy In On-Line Environment

Provide Progress Report And Implementation Plan For 2008-2012 Committee Recommendations Before Fall 2012 Session

Provide Comprehensive Response To Report Within 120 Days

Recruit And Accommodate Workers With Disabilities

Provide Comprehensive Response To Report Within 120 Days

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2012-2013

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:32 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, everybody. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 44-17(3): Premier’s Awards

Ministers’ Statements

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I would like to invite my colleagues to join me in congratulating the recipients of the 2012 Premier ’s Awards. The Premier ’s Awards for Excellence and the Premier ’s Collaboration Award are presented annually to individuals and teams for their outstanding service to the Government of the Northwest Territories. As well, I am pleased to confirm the second Dave Ramsden Career Achievement Award was presented.

This year’s recipients are from a range of departments across the public service, engaged in a variety of work that improves the lives of the residents of the Northwest Territories.

The Premier ’s Award for Excellence in the Individual Category was awarded to three outstanding employees: Mr. Douglas Krause, Ms. Margaret Dawn Anderson and Mr. Jim Stevens.

Mr. Krause is the information business analyst, project manager with the Department of Transportation. He successfully managed a major capital project to replace key modules of the Government of the Northwest Territories motor vehicle information system and assisted the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation in adopting a common website content management system.

Ms. Anderson is the acting assistant director of the corrections service in the Department of Justice. She worked diligently to lead, develop and implement several projects benefitting community partners in delivering programs to clients. Under her guidance, the Northwest Territories Community Justice Review was completed in May 2011,

resulting in 12 recommendations to improve community-based programming.

In addition, Ms. Anderson led the revision of training information specifically for RCMP members in assisting with diversion cases that are more appropriate to community-based agencies. She also developed, researched and delivered an eight-week program of Planning Action Responsibility to support domestic violence treatment options.

Mr. Stevens is the director, Mackenzie Valley Highway with the Department of Transportation. He helped to advance a long-standing priority of the Government of the Northwest Territories, with the proposed Mackenzie Valley Highway. He demonstrated innovation by using a grassroots approach to complete project description reports for the entire Mackenzie Valley Highway. Mr. Stevens also achieved memorandums of understanding with Aboriginal groups representing the Mackenzie Valley.

The Premier ’s Award for Excellence was awarded to three teams comprised of Government of the Northwest Territories employees.

The Stanton Territorial Health Authority Tobacco-Free Steering Committee Team partnered with the Department of Health and Social Services to help promote a healthy environment for staff and patients by promoting a tobacco-free environment.

The Mandate Review Project Team, with the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations embarked on a comprehensive two-year review of the negotiating mandate framework. This framework guides the Government of the Northwest Territories participation in all Northwest Territories land, resources and self-government negotiations and includes 114 individual mandates.

The Deninu School Team from Fort Resolution led the completion of a Chipewyan dictionary. It contains 369 illustrated pages of Chipewyan words, phrases and sentences. In addition, a CD of audio files by fluent speakers was generated to keep the language alive. The team demonstrated innovation and made positive impacts on the school and the community.

The Premier ’s Award for Collaboration was given to three teams of Government of the Northwest Territories employees and their partners.

The Territorial Housing System Development Team was comprised of technical and program specialists from the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation who worked with managers of local housing organizations representing 23 independent organizations in the Northwest Territories. A significant shift was made in public housing system operations by moving to a centralized system and an electronic operating environment to deliver housing services.

The Slave River and Delta Partnership, Department of Environment and Natural Resources and partners team identified activities and opened the lines of communication for partnerships with communities concerning aquatic ecosystem health.

The Northwest Territories 2011 Royal Visit Team’s tremendous work on the Duke and Duchess’s of Cambridge visit to the Northwest Territories was a huge undertaking, demonstrating commitment and professional delivery of the Northwest Territories Royal Visit program. Team members from diverse organizations met the challenges, including strict security arrangements and outstanding activities to welcome the royal visitors.

Finally, I would like to acknowledge this year’s recipient of the Dave Ramsden Career Achievement Award: Ms Bronwyn Watters, deputy minister of the Department of Justice. In her distinguished career, Bronwyn has exemplified public service through her professionalism, vision, collaboration and compassion, and has advanced many initiatives within the social envelope during her years with the Government of the Northwest Territories. With retirement pending later this year, Bronwyn leaves an impressive legacy within the Government of the Northwest Territories and across the North, through her work to advance the social agenda.

Mr. Speaker, the recipients of this year’s Premier ’s Awards and Dave Ramsden Career Achievement Award have demonstrated dedication and excellence in their work, and I would like to extend my congratulations and thank them for a job well done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 44-17(3): Premier’s Awards

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 45-17(3): Graduation Congratulations

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment wishes to congratulate all the graduates from high schools, Aurora College and apprenticeship programs.

Aurora College saw 140 graduates this spring: 43 from Thebacha Campus, 53 from the North Slave Campus and 44 from the Aurora Campus. Graduates received certificates, diplomas and degrees in programs like Environment and Natural Resource Technology, Education, Nursing, Business Administration and Social Work.

This year sees the first class to graduate from the Aboriginal Language and Cultural Instructor Program at the Aurora Campus. Eleven graduates received their diplomas and are ready to promote, preserve and revitalize our languages. Fifteen other graduates from across the territory also received their Aboriginal Language and Cultural Instructor Program certificates.

Mr. Speaker, there are 417 registered apprentices in the Northwest Territories, half of whom are Aboriginal and 34 are female. So far this academic year, 75 journeypersons have been certified. With more countries looking north at our vast resources and Arctic coastline, these tradespeople are invaluable to our territory as our economy develops and diversifies. With their training, these Northerners will be well positioned to take advantage of opportunities and choices in all communities and regions.

As we all know, the high school years can be demanding, formative, emotional and rewarding. Many students have overcome obstacles and reached graduation this year. As they prepare for the next stage of their life, I remind them, and all Northwest Territories residents, that learning is a lifelong journey. I encourage them to strive for excellence in whatever they choose to pursue next. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 45-17(3): Graduation Congratulations

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Tribute To Cole Philipp, Diamond Jubilee Medal Recipient

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once in awhile a young man comes along who redefines human spirit and truly rewrites the scriptures on humanity and giving. Today I wish to inform the Members we have such a marvel who resides in the riding of Range Lake and his name is Mr. Cole Philipp.

It all started a couple of years ago when this student was in Grade 7 in Range Lake North School and he learned about “pay it forward,” which is a movement depicted in books, TV, mainstream and film. In essence, Mr. Speaker, this pay it forward program is a means to change the lives of

others by doing good deeds for others and Mr. Philipp rose to the occasion.

His idea to make a difference for kids in orphanages in Mazatlan, Mexico, was a truly inspirational journey that has been showcased in major media sources in Canada and in Mexico. For Mr. Philipp’s humble beginnings in fundraising, his original target of $2,000 soon magically turned into a windfall of over $38,000 being raised.

---Applause

In fact, during his last fundraiser, Cole’s Funky Monkey cupcakes were seen all over the back offices of the Legislative Assembly and many of us today are still trying to shed those pounds.

Mr. Philipp had the pleasure of sharing 100 percent of this money this past April with over six orphanages in Mazatlan, Mexico, for such things you and I take for granted such as food, clothing, school supplies, medical supplies, new bunk beds, new computers and new lockers.

Now at the age of 14, Mr. Cole Philipp is a Grade 9 student at Sir John Franklin, is a recent recipient of the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal of Honour and is already planning his next adventures. If you spend even the briefest amount of time with this young man, you can easily see his gears turning, his huge smile and his magnetic enthusiasm.

It gives me great pleasure to say we have in the gallery today the wiz-kid from Range Lake and former Page for the Legislative Assembly, Mr. Cole Philipp.

---Applause

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Tribute To Cole Philipp, Diamond Jubilee Medal Recipient

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Trout Lake Airport Relocation Project

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. In the 1990s a survey of runway issues across the North identified Trout Lake as being one of the 11 airports that needs major upgrades to ensure safe operations. It was later determined that the runway itself needed to be relocated.

Trout Lake is a community without an all-weather road access. Its airport is a community lifeline. The Trout Lake Airport Relocation Project is still unfinished and still on our books. The community wants to see this project completed in spite of the difficulties it has experienced. Right now the Department of Transportation is in charge of the project and previously wanted to hire contractors from outside the community and region to do the work, and still may want to. This is nothing that I as the MLA for Trout Lake can or will ever support.

This is Trout Lake’s airport, and opportunities related to this major undertaking should belong to the community and the region. Someone from Trout Lake should be working with DOT to select an appropriate contractor, if not from the community then at least from the region. There are plenty of willing contractors in Fort Simpson and Fort Liard.

Trout Lake needs this continued opportunity. There is equipment in the community and a willing workforce of men and women. It is a chance for the local development corporation to develop much needed capacity that could assist in future projects not only in Trout Lake but other communities in the region. There are already good examples of other small communities that have worked successfully with the Department of Transportation airports division to complete their much needed infrastructure projects.

We all agree that safety of our people and the aircraft is a priority. We need to put past arguments behind us and get this project off the ground. We need a win-win situation and a good-news story for major infrastructure construction in this territory.

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Trout Lake Airport Relocation Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Tribute To Mr. Raymond Taniton On The Publication Of His Book, “at The Heart Of It”

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to say I was very impressed with the young fellow that Mr. Dolynny talked about. He’s got a good future ahead of him.

I want to talk about Raymond Taniton. Raymond Taniton co-authored a book called At the Heart of It. It’s the seventh book in the Land of our Storybook series. Tessa MacIntosh was the photographer and Mindy Willet was the co-author with Raymond Taniton.

Raymond is a Sahtugot’ine, which means people from the Great Bear Lake area. He lives in Deline and is one of the many gifted leaders in the community in the Sahtu region.

After Europe colonized Canada, Aboriginal people were made to do things differently, often forced to forget their traditional ways and values and become a different people. Sahtugot’ine also suffered from colonization, but in Raymond’s book he showed how they continued to teach their children their core values: to have respect for their elders, their parents and themselves. In this book he also tells people there are many reasons why Deline is a strong and healthy community, stating that they never gave up the responsibility to govern and look after themselves.

In At the Heart of It, Raymond shows readers how to make a traditional drum with the help of his father, Alfred, a leader and keeper of

the drum, and shares many what At the Heart of It in Deline to be connected to a healthy community.

This book is used by many in the schools of the Northwest Territories and they are using them from Grade 4 to Grade 7 mostly. I have heard adults also reading them as they’re good instructions to all the different communities in the Northwest Territories. There is going to be a total 10 books.

I also heard people from India, Australia, France and all over the U.S. are also reading this book. This book is in our schools, and the stories are from different storytellers and the youth from across the different regions. They are very good stories, and I want to say thank you very much for the people who made it possible. Thank you for Raymond Taniton, for his father, for Mindy, Tess and the department who made all this possible. Please go out and read these books. Good job. I want to say thank you to the hardworking people who made this possible. Mahsi cho.

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Tribute To Mr. Raymond Taniton On The Publication Of His Book, “at The Heart Of It”

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Creation Of An Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The environmental assessment hearings for the Giant Remediation Project begin in September. The Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board will review the assembled information and then issue recommendations governing remediation of the site. Those measures must keep our environment and people safe in perpetuity – that’s forever – unless technology is developed to eliminate the stored arsenic. Public confidence in the measures over perpetuity is essential. As the review board chair pointed out recently, public trust is a fundamental part of community acceptance of the project.

Thanks primarily to the dogged determination of the Yellowknives Dene First Nation, the City of Yellowknife and Alternatives North, there has been progress towards the creation of an independent oversight body to monitor the project as long as it continues. These groups, with the federal and territorial governments, signed a letter to the board this week. They stated general agreement on creating a working group to make proposals on an independent oversight body.

A public body would provide arm’s length advice to minimize environmental harm and risks and to build public trust. It would review environmental monitoring plans including any perpetual care plan and monitor their implementation and results. They would monitor compliance with regulatory conditions and other commitments made by

government, and encourage research into alternative technologies to finally eliminate the arsenic. Perhaps above all, it would create the transparency, public involvement and unbiased reporting essential to public trust.

If the Giant Mine remediation were coming as a new development proposal today, this form of public oversight would be routine. Look at the legally binding agreements in place for our diamond mines. The need is clear. Eventually, regulatory permits will be issued to carry out the remediation work and stabilize the arsenic, but a project laden with decades of public anxiety in millennia of environmental consequences requires a social licence as well.

Creation of an independent oversight body under a fully funded and legally binding agreement could issue that social licence and give us confidence for the years ahead. I appreciate and encourage this government in continuing support for the creation of an independent oversight body. Mahsi.

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Creation Of An Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Post-Secondary Support For Students With Disabilities In Transitional Vocational Programs

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today on behalf of an NWT resident whose child has Autism Spectrum Disorder. This young adult has been supported through their school years, and as a testament to that support and their own perseverance, will be graduating high school this month. We do a good job of providing the extra, necessary support for special needs students in our primary and secondary schools, but apparently, that’s where the support ends. Let me explain.

There are several colleges in the South which offer transitional vocational programs, a program that fits the post-secondary needs of this young person. Like many specialized programs, they’re not cheap: about $15,000 per year. Most students, when they graduate from high school and get accepted to a college or a university, can get financial support from the GNWT via the Student Financial Assistance program. Disabled persons, as full-time students under current Student Financial Assistance guidelines, are eligible for a study grant of up to $8,000 per academic year. But, of course, there’s a catch.

The catch is the student has to be enrolled in an academic program. Transitional vocational programs are not considered an academic program and thus are not approved by Student Financial Assistance for funding.

There’s no question in the mind of Education, Culture and Employment that an autistic person is a disabled person. There is also no question in the mind of ECE that all NWT post-secondary students

should be taking an academic program; a thoroughly unrealistic goal, in my mind, especially for challenged students.

Transitional vocational training is not an academic program. It is about advancement, ensuring people learn the skills they need to transition from a supported environment to living on their own. Consider this quote from Hansard February 25, 2000: “We have to look clearly at how we deal with disabled people and students. Right now there is no way to deal with them. There is no access for them.

Students who are disabled and have special needs have to go to various departments with their hat in their hand, trying to cobble together financial arrangements to go to school.” Unfortunately, nothing has changed in the 12 years since the MLA for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger , stood in this House to voice his concern.

There is an opportunity here for a hardworking NWT resident to advance from a dependent to an independent person to become an involved, contributing member of NWT society.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Post-Secondary Support For Students With Disabilities In Transitional Vocational Programs

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks, colleagues. There is an opportunity here for a hardworking NWT resident to advance from a dependent to an independent person to become an involved, contributing member of NWT society, someone who is not in need of ongoing financial support from the government. Yet our Student Financial Assistance Policy will not recognize the extent of this young person’s abilities, will not provide the funding needed to get the schooling and training necessary to advance them to the next stage in their life. For a government that professes to want equality and success for all of our people, this is a significant failure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Community Self-Government Initiatives

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Most of the Northwest Territories 33 communities are made up of First Nation band councils. There are a number of options for how communities govern themselves. No matter what size the population, hamlets, villages, towns and cities in the NWT are established by territorial laws. Community governments’ roles are political and administrative. Elected councils are made up of mayors, councillors and chiefs, to provide leadership and guidance through administration.

Hamlet councils are more than dogs, dumps and ditches. They are even more than just administering

the community’s budget, maintaining public buildings and enforcing bylaws. Councils today work with education and health and social service boards. They help plan and deliver tourism and economic development activities, administer income support and housing programs, and represent their communities at higher levels.

There are three charter communities in the Northwest Territories. In chartered communities, the responsibilities of the band council and the municipal council are both combined.

The community of Enterprise, in particular, wants to operate their own water treatment plants and become a more independent and self-sustaining community. Incorporating a designated First Nations authority is a way to work around provisions in the federal Indian Act that hinder First Nation communities’ ability to take on responsibility for providing municipal services by owning buildings or land. That will remain the case until we finalize self-government negotiations. The operation of our First Nations communities in areas with unsettled land claims is another area where the GNWT needs to focus when negotiating a Devolution Agreement.

At the community level, in order for a band council and a municipal council to successfully merge, people need to cooperate and send clear messages to high levels of government. There has to be open communication and wellness to work together. That is equally true in self-government and devolution negotiations.

As we have seen in this House over the past two weeks, when we try to reach consensus, we don’t always get our way. Sometimes no one gets their way. But if we keep communication open and keep working on our problems, we will find solutions that work for the majority of Northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Community Self-Government Initiatives

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Duty-Free Exemptions For Cross-Border Shopping

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

be raising the duty-free exemptions for cross-border shopping. Canadian residents who have been out of the country for 24 hours will be able to bring back $200 worth of goods duty free. This current exemption is only $50. The exemption for trips of 48 hours or more will increase from $400 to $800 worth of product duty free.

For the majority of Canadians who live within a few hours of the U.S. border – which is most of the country – this is a real tangible benefit. It means

that a family in Toronto or Montreal can wake up in the morning and decide to make a short drive to New York State for the weekend, load up with back to school supplies and clothes, and save potentially hundreds of dollars in tariffs in addition to the savings to be gained from purported lower American prices. It means that a family in southern BC can drive to Washington State two or three times a month, spend the night and come back each time with a trunk load of groceries all duty free.

Over the course of a year and a few trips, a family’s savings on import tariffs alone to the Canadian government could easily add up into the thousands of dollars. That is in addition to all the savings from often paying lower prices across the border.

So while I do not begrudge southern Canadian families their tax savings, I believe that the federal government has overlooked the people living in the Territories and northern part of the provinces who do not have the option of cross-border shopping on a weekly or monthly basis and will realize little or no savings from this new duty-free exemption.

Where is the tax relief for northern Canadians who pay higher prices across the board, GST compounded on those higher prices and untold millions of dollars in fuel tax, which is hidden in the cost of every good that is transported north? Where is the fairness?

I believe this oversight could be corrected quickly and easily with an increase in the northern residents’ tax deduction. This would be a straightforward way to give Northerners a break on their income taxes that matches the savings southern Canadians will now realize on their cross-border shopping, and that would be only fair.

Later today I’ll have questions for the Minister of Finance on how he might engage the federal government on this issue. The federal government, the Prime Minister comes up here, they say they want Arctic sovereignty, they want people to live up here and they say they love the North. Well, why don’t they show it? Give us an increase in our northern tax deduction. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Duty-Free Exemptions For Cross-Border Shopping

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Congratulations To Hay River Secondary School Graduates

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I use my Member’s statement to congratulate the graduates of the two high schools in Hay River. We have four graduates at Ecole Boreale and 38 graduates at Diamond Jenness Secondary School. Both of these grad ceremonies will take place next weekend and I will be able to attend both of them, so I’m looking forward to that.

It’s an exciting time for these youth, and I urge these youth to continue to learn, continue to educate yourself depending on where your specialties lie, whether that’s in a trade or whether that’s getting a degree or just learning some sort of certification. Life is an education, like the Minister of the Department of Education indicated today, and continue to learn.

I’d like them to enjoy their ceremonies, but make sure that they’re safe out there. Make sure there’s no alcohol involved, no drinking and driving.

I’d also at this time like to congratulate some of my former graduates of 1987, who graduated 25 years ago on June 26, 1987. We graduated 25 years ago and we’ve spread out through the country. So I congratulate everybody. Thank you.

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Congratulations To Hay River Secondary School Graduates

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Appreciation Of Public Servants And Members Of The Legislative Assembly In The Budget Process

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d also like to take this opportunity to thank all our hardworking staff in the GNWT. The event that we had today goes to show that we have some really good staff and people working for the people of the Northwest Territories through the Premier ’s Awards; some hardworking, dedicated staff.

With that said, we’re coming to the end of our four-week budget session. We’ve had some very long days, early mornings, late nights and we had some really strong debates, some really good meetings. Just the whole process of how everything went down was very educating. It’s a lot of hard work, and in between our meetings we try to deal with constituency concerns every chance we get, as well as dealing with territorial concerns.

I’d like to recognize all of the hard work and dedication of all the Members on this side of the House, as well as Cabinet and their staff for all of the hard work that they put in over the last three and a half weeks.

Just as important, I’d like to recognize the Legislative Assembly and their staff for all of the hard work that they’ve been doing drafting motions, getting all of our work together, organizing the meetings, trying to fit in the meetings when we can. It is a lot of work. We put in a lot of time, a lot of energy.

I’d also like to recognize the family and friends who support us and who sacrifice so that we can come here, have these strong debates, have good questions and try to work out what’s best for the people of the Northwest Territories.

I have to say that I have respect for anybody that can do this job, or anybody that works for the Legislative Assembly and puts in the hours that we’ve been putting in for the last three and a half weeks. It’s pretty amazing and it’s something that I didn’t see as a resident of Inuvik, or just as an NWT resident when we saw how things were deliberated here. It’s a lot of hard work and I respect anybody that can do it, and I also respect any of our NWT leaders across the Northwest Territories and the hard work that they do for their people as well.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Support And Training For Employment Standards Officers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The nature of our modern government is that a large number of very important decisions are delegated to statutory officers. The example I use today is the employment standards officer. This is, of course, sometimes the only efficient way to do government, in today’s day and age. What concerns me is that too often the government’s oversight seems to end with an appointment or, certainly in the case of employment matters, when they hire these folks. It cannot be overstated, but the decisions made by the employment service officers have very far reaching impacts.

Sometimes if you disagree with them, to some extent, they can be taken to court for review. This is a very expensive process and the courts are reluctant to interfere with the decisions of our statutory officers, as I made mention today.

Once affirmed by the courts, the officer’s decision, that is, whether it’s been good or bad, clear or unclear, it becomes a new standard for employers and employees to live within. It’s therefore critical that we ensure that people who are appointed to these decision-making positions have the right skills and knowledge to do their job properly.

Often you will hear the phrase “to ensure they have the proper competencies” to do the job. That doesn’t mean they’re not doing the job in a manner that they are trying the best they can, just making sure they’re skilled properly with the right ability.

That then leads me into the

interpretation of how we balance and manage this problem. What does the government do to help set minimum qualifications? As we all know, interpreting legislation is a challenging business. Do we require mandatory training of people who are in these areas, as I pointed out, such as the employment standards officer? What do we do when such areas as supporting them with training in administrative law and procedures? Do we teach them or mentor them on writing good, clear decisions?

Many challenges have come up, and I’ve heard from different people on this particular issue, but it always seems to come back to this: How do we support and train our folks who make these very important decisions, because they are far reaching and many of them are extremely costly? Later today, as the example I used of employment standards officer is only one of many examples, I will use this example to ask questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to find out how we support these people doing these tough jobs.

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Support And Training For Employment Standards Officers

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Congratulations To The Graduation Classes In Fort Mcpherson And Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to take this opportunity to congratulate the graduating class of 2012 at Chief Julius School in Fort McPherson for Friday, June 15th . I’d also like to

congratulate the parents and teachers on a job well done.

On June 20th the students of Chief Paul Niditchie

School in Tsiigehtchic will be having a graduation for the students in Tsiigehtchic. Congratulations, everyone.

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Congratulations To The Graduation Classes In Fort Mcpherson And Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Tribute To Mrs. Irene Sanderson Of Fort Smith

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Family and close friends are sitting a 24-hour vigil with family matriarch and respected elder Irene Sanderson this week in Fort Smith. Despite being ill for many months, Irene has remained the strong woman she’s always been, not complaining about her lot in life, not even to say why me after receiving a terminal diagnosis. She’s a testament of strength to her children, her relations, and her friends.

Irene is a trapper’s daughter, born and raised in the bush at Ambers Portage between Fort Chipewyan and Fort McMurray. She became a trapper’s wife in Fort Smith, where her eight children were born and raised. Charlie, Elaine, Sam, Lisa, Sandy, Andrew, Alma and Ray grew up learning and living the traditional life their mother taught to them. Hunting, fishing, trapping, cutting dry meat and hanging dry fish, you name it. Irene taught her children how to survive in the bush and respect the traditional lifestyle. Her children knew how to hunt moose and

make bannock on a wood stove, long before they knew how to turn on an electric oven or buy meat from Kaiser’s Store.

I’ve known Irene Sanderson for a long time. She’s been a long-time supporter who brought bannock to my constituency office many times over the years. You can bet that when she takes a stand on an issue, Irene’s not shy to speak her mind or stand her ground. Like the time she became upset about the ban on caribou hunting. Irene even stopped talking to me for awhile. I’m told that her daughter Lisa reminded her mom of those years on the trap line at Burnt Lake, when Irene would stop trapping beaver and muskrat for a few seasons to give them time to restock. Lisa reminded her mom, it’s the same thing he’s doing for the caribou.

Irene spent a lifetime teaching what she knows best to her children, her 16 grandchildren, and seven great-grandchildren. Most of them continue to live in Fort Smith. She’s known for sharing her home with other families in need, welcoming and treating the children as though they were her own. Irene has lived a clean and sober life filled with lots of love, laughter and compassion. I understand she called the family home last week to spend time with each person, reminiscing about the old times, and to say goodbye individually to the children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to whom she has devoted her entire life.

Irene Sanderson’s children are her legacy to Fort Smith and the North. She shared with them a lifetime of invaluable knowledge on how to thrive and live off the bounty of the land. At the same time Irene taught her children the importance of being kind and respectful to people whose lives they touch and be respectful and loving of each other.

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Tribute To Mrs. Irene Sanderson Of Fort Smith

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Congratulations To Tu Nedhe Recipients Of The Premier’s Awards

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s very touching.

I wanted to congratulate Tu Nedhe recipients of the Premier ’s awards today for the Premier ’s Award for Collaboration on the Slave River and Delta Partnership Team. We had two members from Fort Resolution, Patrick Simon and Tausia Lal.

Also, the Premier ’s Award of Excellence for the team award recipients went to the Deninu School in Fort Resolution, and the principal was here to receive the award for all the teachers and administrators over there. That’s an excellent school. Each time I come into Fort Resolution and I have an opportunity, I attend the school. It is full of life, so I was very pleased to see that recognized. They have done a lot for their students in Fort

Resolution. I just wanted to say congratulations to the Deninu School team.

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Congratulations To Tu Nedhe Recipients Of The Premier’s Awards

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Before we continue, I just want to say our thoughts and prayers are with the Sanderson family. To all people in the territory, I guess, we have Members here with family in the hospital. Our thoughts and prayers are with you from the Legislative Assembly. God bless you and a quick recovery.

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today in my Member’s statement I talked about the truly inspirational work of one young man in Range Lake. He’s quite a difference maker. I’d like to introduce Mr. Cole Philipp; his mother, Stephanie; and his dad, Jeff, who are up in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . I’d like to welcome all visitors in the public gallery here today. Thank you for your interest in today’s proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Acknowledgement 6-17(3): Premier’s Collaboration Award

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to congratulation Ms. Phebie Kenny of Deline, along with her team at the NWT Housing Corporation, on receiving the Premier ’s Collaboration Award today. On behalf of the Sahtu region, I would like to congratulate Ms. Kenny on her continuous efforts and contributions toward her community.

Ms. Kenny is known for her hard work and her constant teamwork. The community of Deline is fortunate to have such an exceptional individual. I encourage the Sahtu to continue much of the appreciated work with their communities and members.

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Acknowledgement 6-17(3): Premier’s Collaboration Award

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Wow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I was referring to the

fact that territorial laws often create statutory officers. They become decision-makers. These are individuals who are responsible for the administration of very important pieces of legislation, and they have far-reaching decision-making authorities such as employment standards, I pointed out, and in particular, we have other things such as the Legal Services Act creates the legal services board, and it goes on and on and on.

My question, though, is around ECE and, of course, the employment standards officer, so I’ll be directing my questions to the Minister of ECE . My first question for him today is: Are these appointments that we make under the Employment Standards Act to establish the employment standards officers to make these decisions, do we provide them with basic law training prior to them sitting in a decision-making capacity to write rulings? Thank you.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The principle function of the employment standards officer is to administer the Employment Standards Act. The act sets out general rights and responsibilities and minimal requirements, fundamental principles of employment standards. The act also covers such areas of work, minimum wage, termination of employment, annual vacation, statutory holidays, pregnancy and parental leave. Those fall under the act, so it’s up to the officer to follow through according to the act. Mahsi.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate the Minister providing a bit of an outline where they do their business, but it’s a matter of them being able to do their business is really what I’m after. Back to the training question, do we provide any training or mentoring for them as they make these very important decisions? Do we get behind them with special reference material to help them guide and make clear and honourable decisions in their process? Thank you.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I don’t have the specifics of the duty outline and what the Member is referring to on the training aspects, but I can definitely provide that information in detail to the Members. Mahsi.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Part of the training question that I’d like to ask at the same time, is does his department offer any ongoing training. As many people know, there are types of mediation training such as decision-writing training and these are the types of the capacities. Does his department support these statutory officers with that type of support mechanism, again, to ensure they’re making clear and good decisions? Thank you.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Yes, we definitely support those individuals in those kinds of capacity to have up-to-date experience and training requirements. We continue to provide that training, whether it be the statutory officers, or whether it be the employment standards officers, and provide them as up-to-date information as we possibly can through the training. Mahsi.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Quite often I only hear from people who are unhappy with a particular decision or, certainly, the guidance provided by this specific office, and I’ve heard about many offices, I just had to pick one because we don’t have all day. When decisions are appealed, taken to court, it’s quite expensive and it’s a very painful process. What type of monitoring does the Department of ECE do on both the decisions made, reaffirmed by the court, and the subjects why people have taken them to the process of appeal? Does the Department of ECE ever examine and consider some of the issues raised when people are appealing decisions? Thank you.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We do work closely with the employment standards officers. We have to make sure that they’re following the act. If an individual or a party is not satisfied with the decisions that are being made, there is an appeal process, as the Member alluded to. The employment standards appeal, adjudicators hear appeals by employers or employees who are not satisfied with the decision of the employment standards officers. There is a process that’s been established and we continue to work with that as well. Mahsi.

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Question 139-17(3): Support For Employment Standards Officers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

Oral Questions

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Finance . I would like to ask the Minister when is the last time the northern residents’ tax deduction was increased and when was the last time our government made a formal appeal to the federal government for this kind of cost-of-living relief for the residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Minister responsible for Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the first question, I can just indicate to the Member that in my time as Finance Minister , it’s not been an issue that I have broached with the Minister of Finance with the

federal government, and it’s been, I think, probably three or four years since there has been any adjustment. Thank you.

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

As a government we have talked extensively about the cost of living in the Northwest Territories. When the GST was first introduced, we tried to have the GST exempted in the Northwest Territories. That did not work. That would have been an administratively burdensome thing for the federal government. The Minister regularly meets with his federal and territorial counterparts and, in fact, there’s a pan-territorial meeting on issues as well. Is this something, as a cost of living relief measure, that could be put on the agenda of the next meeting he attends with Finance Ministers or other Finance Ministers in the North particularly? Thank you.

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

In fact, the Premier is meeting with the northern Premiers in the next couple of weeks and has indicated that he will have that item on the agenda to have an initial discussion with his colleagues. Thank you.

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you very much for agreeing to have that on the agenda. In lead up to that discussion, would it be possible to do some research to see what kind of tax, by way of duty, the federal government, in fact, walked away from or left on the table by increasing the duty-free limits? In preparation for that it would be a good argument, I believe, to be made, that this is the least they could do, given what they have just given southern Canadians. Thank you.

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I appreciate the Member’s advice and will ensure that the Premier is fully briefed with all the information he needs to make a compelling argument in discussion with his colleagues in Iqaluit. Thank you.

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Listening to the news, I also realized that MPs, some MPs, I’m not so sure about our MP, but some northern MP representing a northern region has also raised this in the House of Commons recently as well. I think that we need as large of a voice as possible on this particular issue, and so I would appreciate if our government could also engage those who are elected who are also trying to achieve this goal as well, to reinforce our case. Thank you.

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Question 140-17(3): Increase In Northern Residents’ Tax Deduction

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Once again, I appreciate the Member’s comments. I know the Member of Parliament has been a strong advocate of having increases in this area as well. There are three territories and, I believe, six provincial jurisdictions as well that have access to this deduction. We will start with the northern territories and have that discussion and will make sure that

we include the Member of Parliament as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 141-17(3): Funding For Transitional Vocational Programming

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement.

I’d like to first ask the Minister, with regard to the Student Financial Assistance review, I believe it was started in the 16th Assembly, and Members

from the 16th who have returned to the 17th are

waiting for the results from that review. There have been many suggestions from Members over the years as to how the SFA program could be amended, could be made for the better. Certainly, as I mentioned in my statement, there are certain courses which are ineligible for SFA funding. Students’ upgrading courses out of high school, for instance, and the vocational training courses, which I mentioned. I’d like to know from the Minister whether or not the Student Financial Assistance review has considered any change in policy that would allow transitional vocational programs to be funded through the SFA program. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 141-17(3): Funding For Transitional Vocational Programming

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The specifics of it, I don’t have in front of me, but an area that has been raised in this House will definitely be taken into consideration. This is an area that hasn’t been highlighted as part of other jurisdictions, as well, through post-secondary program. Of course, it doesn’t qualify as SFA programming, but there are other sources of funding that individuals can access. That is the Labour Market Agreement through the federal government that we have within the GNWT, within the ECE department. We are willing to assist in that area.

I would encourage the individual to apply through that venue. We would be more than happy to look at the application, as well, through that Labour Market Agreement. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, thanks to the Minister. I’m not sure the Minister understands. This particular individual is a challenged individual. They are not looking for a job. They are looking, at this point in time, for skills which will enable them to become an independent person able to live on their own, and they need certain life skills which they don’t currently have because they have been living from home.

Apart from the Labour Market Agreement possibility, we have funding for academic programs through SFA. We certainly have funding for apprenticeships in another area of Education, Culture and Employment, but I would like to know what programs other than the Labour Market Agreement are available for a challenged student who wants to go on to further training in order to become an independent person. What programs are available to them? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, this particular program, transitional vocational through Grande Prairie College, is not a post-secondary program. As you know and Members know, SFA qualifies for post-secondary programming, but there are other sources of funding that is the Labour Market Agreement. It is not only for on-the-job training. There are other ways to work around the system where we have the funding through the federal government. That is one example.

Income assistance is another example. Employment Insurance, Aboriginal Skills and Training Strategy is another funding that is available, UCEP, University and College Entrance Program, and Labour Market Agreement. Those are some of the venues that we have access to and, more specifically, Labour Market Agreement. We have assisted those students that want to pursue an area of interest, whether it be post-secondary area. That is an area that we can definitely look into, to sponsor the individual. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to suggest to the Minister that not all of those options are available to individuals. He first of all identified that SFA is only for post-secondary. We have students who are graduating from high school who do need extra training in order to be contributing members to society. Income support is not available to students who are not going to school in the territory. If this student were to go to Grande Prairie College, income support would be denied. I thank the Minister for the list, but some of them don’t totally apply.

The example that I used probably will not be able to receive any help for the next school year. I would like to know from the Minister whether or not he will consider revising the policy to assist challenged students to get some financial assistance for further schooling beyond high school. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I did already commit to that. We will be considering those recommendations brought forward to our attention by the students, parents and general public on SFA overall review. We are going to make those changes. We will definitely come back to the standing committee and highlight what we are going to pursue. This is an area that has been

brought to our attention today. I will definitely look at that as well. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 141-17(3): Funding For Transitional Vocational Programming

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up with my Member’s statement with questions to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . In grappling with downstream water quality issues resulting from the tar sands, our Minister of Environment confronts the legacy of insufficient public oversight. In contrast, the development of our diamond mines has included independent monitoring mechanisms under legally binding agreements.

This government’s officials have participated in work aimed at creating an independent oversight body and, this week, co-signed a letter to the board calling for a working group to be set up. Could the Minister comment on this government’s commitment to independent oversight and what his department is doing to ensure it comes about? Mahsi.

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I as Minister attended the meeting in March where this issue was at the tail end of the workshop. We committed to the process. We have been involved since then. We are still part of the process. We are committed to coming up with, hopefully, a consensus on the way forward in terms of oversight and mediation through the process. The Member’s comment about needing to do it long into the future is a recognized fact as well. Thank you.

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, thanks to the Minister for those comments. I know his presence at that workshop was greatly appreciated. The government has said that the Devolution Agreement will ensure cleaning up of contaminated sites, and Giant is the epitome of such sites, but to date the federal government has made no commitment to ensure funding of perpetual care and maintenance or to fund continuing research into alternative technologies that could ultimately eliminate the environmental threat.

Will the Minister commit to ensuring that the Devolution Agreement contains provisions committing the federal government to identify and supply long-term funding for perpetual care including continuing research towards complete elimination of existing toxins? Mahsi.

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the Giant Mine Remediation Project remains one of

the biggest environmental clean-up sites in the country; the largest in terms of magnitude and cost. It receives its own separate mention in the agreement-in-principle. It is a site that will be maintained in the inventory of the federal government. Of course, we will be working closely, as we have been and continue to do, with all the interested and affected parties to ensure that the federal government complies with their obligations. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, thanks for that commitment by the Minister. There is very little evidence of planning or clear thinking on creation of a perpetual care plan for this site today. Concerns include a lack of plan to preserve current records, document remediation, long-term care activities, continuing consideration of remediation options and fulsome public reporting and information disclosure.

However, options to meet these needs have been creatively examined through the work of the YKDFN, Yellowknives Dene First Nations, Alternatives North and the Pembina Institute, and are contained in documents to be tabled later today. Does the Minister agree that our responsibilities and those of the federal government will not be met until a perpetual care plan has been consultatively created? Will he influence and work with the federal government and public to create such a plan? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, this is one of the largest environmental sites that require cleanup in the entire country of Canada. We are fully committed to the process to make sure that remediation plan is developed and agreed to, and the oversight plan is being worked on and hopefully is finally agreed to.

We recognize that this site and the responsibilities will be with us long into the future. We are here for the long haul, as are all of the people of the North, and our commitment is to make sure that that site meets the standard today and tomorrow and far into the future in terms of what is required for remediation. Thank you.

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister’s perspective again. I spoke today about the creation of an independent oversight body, but that is still down the road. As public reaction in March demonstrated, people are not satisfied with thecurrent flow of information from the project team. A meeting to explain major demolition already underway at the site was given on three days’ notice and was poorly advertised. There was no proactive exposure last year of information on a dam failure and later a sinkhole. As a co-proponent of this project, this government has a responsibility and can exert influence to do better. There is a real opportunity and a need for

leadership, so this Minister has a real opportunity. Will this government urge the federal government to beef up its public information efforts? Mahsi.

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Question 142-17(3): Independent Oversight Body For Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. Communication is a critical component of just about everything we do. In this case, the Member has highlighted a number of areas where communication hasn’t been as proper, and thorough, and laid out in advance as it should be. Of course, I’ll commit to make sure that in our discussions, both ourselves as a territorial government and the federal government, do a better job in making sure that information flows properly and that the issue of transparency is addressed, as has been attempted to do through this oversight committee. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 143-17(3): Delay In Federal Pension Cheques To Fort Good Hope Seniors

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning I heard on the CBC News and I had a phone call yesterday, actually, from a person in Fort Good Hope, that the elders are wondering what happened to their pension cheques. They’ve been waiting for a long time. So I want to ask the Minister responsible for Seniors if he’s aware of this and is he helping the elders in Fort Good Hope to find out what happened to their pension cheques from the federal government.

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Question 143-17(3): Delay In Federal Pension Cheques To Fort Good Hope Seniors

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister responsible for Seniors , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 143-17(3): Delay In Federal Pension Cheques To Fort Good Hope Seniors

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have tracked the situation. We recognize that it’s a federal government issue. We know the Minister and we have provided some information to the MLAs office, but we’re also prepared to make contact with that federal Minister to find out the details of why those cheques were late. Thank you.

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Question 143-17(3): Delay In Federal Pension Cheques To Fort Good Hope Seniors

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The elders in Fort Good Hope are going through this a second time. There’s a glitch in the federal government’s system and I’m glad the Minister is on top of this issue. I want to ask the Minister if he’s working with his colleagues for this situation where some of the elders do not have the money to pay for some of their bills that the territorial government has issued, the power bill or some other bills, the housing bills. So is the Minister helping our elders in Fort Good Hope with the bills that are being poured on them by this government?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. I’ve not had that discussion with the Minister of Housing as far as any costs that may be coming from the Housing Corp, or had any discussion with the Minister of Education as in income support to carry the

pensioners over until their cheques come. What we’ve been doing is trying to find out why they’re late and we’re going to be following up at the request of the MLA, follow up with the appropriate department federally to find out what the issue is with the two months in a row where their cheques are delayed. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. This week is Elder Abuse Week. We should send that message to Ottawa. There’s a glitch in here and elders are taking quite a bit of abuse here. So I want to ask the Minister, is he going to inform his counterparts in Ottawa that enough is enough and that this is the second time, and somehow the elders in Fort Good Hope are going to be reassured that there are other alternatives that can be used to make sure that the elders get their cheques on time. Can the Minister do that?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Yes, I’m prepared to call the Health Minister in Ottawa or if she’s in her Iqaluit office, to have this discussion with her. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 143-17(3): Delay In Federal Pension Cheques To Fort Good Hope Seniors

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe we should all go to Ottawa and tell the federal government some of the issues here that are important here to us in the small communities.

Can the Minister tell me if, once he’s made some contact with our MP or the officials or the Minister in Ottawa, that he can inform the people through the chief and council in Fort Good Hope that this issue has been looked after once and for all?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Yes, I’m prepared to do that. Thank you.

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Question 143-17(3): Delay In Federal Pension Cheques To Fort Good Hope Seniors

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I have questions for the Minister of Health and it’s going to deal with pharmaceutical and prescription drugs, and I’ll be very easy on the Minister, Mr. Speaker.

The term “off-label use” is a term used in the industry where it means a drug has been discovered to have properties of use or therapeutic use for something that was outside of its intended use. In a lot of cases, drug companies don’t go to the case of actually making proof of claim because of costs. Drug benefits such as Blue Cross, extended health will look at this synopsis and make their decision whether a drug is covered or not. So again, off-label use does have a merit out in practice.

My question for the Minister is: Does the department have a program in place to deal with the therapeutic advantage of using off-label drugs for therapy and is there a process in place for people in the Northwest Territories to go to get these prescriptions covered? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Member’s may know, Cabinet direction for all extended health benefits, any health benefits that we provide, and as far as drugs and other services go, are in line with the non-insured health benefits that are provided by the federal government for First Nations. So if we were to go off of that system, that would be contrary to Cabinet direction. But we do have a system to look at these cases on a one-on-one basis. Thank you.

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you. The Minister is correct; and non-insured health benefits are used as a means for formulary design. However, that system does have some gaping holes in the process and currently, right now, if a patient was to question viability of a drug being covered, it goes to Inuvik to extended benefits for review and it is reviewed, hopefully, by an independent source or a professional source. Does the Minister have information whether or not there is a process for a review that goes outside the formulary design of intention? Thank you.

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. At this point any drugs that are considered to be off-label drugs that have benefits other than what’s indicated and approved by Health Canada, is on a one-off basis, like I indicated. It’s requested by the physician so that an individual that is prescribed drugs and is having a positive effect in another area, the exception can be requested by a physician. The physician’s request will then go to Alberta Blue Cross for review and then it will come back to Health and Social Services for consideration.

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you. So what we’re hearing here is that there is a peer review process involved, that physicians are involved and it goes to Inuvik for further review. But can the Minister indicate to the House if there is an unfavourable response from this peer review, is there an appeals process that a patient or another health care provider can follow in order to get that drug covered? Thank you.

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Because this has occurred several times over the last few years, the department is actually now currently working on an appeal, a formal appeal process that we’re hoping to get developed very soon. I don’t know the exact intention or the date of when this formal appeal process will be completed, but we are currently working on that process now.

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s very encouraging to hear that we are working towards an appeals program, but that could take several months, maybe years, to achieve. In the interim, can the Minister make a commitment to look, on a case-by-case basis, if it is brought to the department to look at those patients who are waiting in the wings patiently to hear from this government, so that they can get their drugs approved for their therapies that are not previously being covered by our programs?

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Recognizing the deviation from the NIHB formulary could potentially cost more money than expected and have other impacts, but I will commit to continue to look at off-label drugs and the positive impacts of off-label drugs on a one-off basis.

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Question 144-17(3): Off-Label Use Of Prescription Drugs

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 145-17(3): Inuvik Petroleum Show

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The people of the Beaufort-Delta, at this time, are in a big need for some sort of economic job opportunities. Within the next week, Inuvik will be hosting the Inuvik Petroleum Show and I understand the Minister of ITI will be attending. I would like to ask the Minister what will be your message for the people of the Beaufort-Delta.

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Question 145-17(3): Inuvik Petroleum Show

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. David Ramsay .

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Question 145-17(3): Inuvik Petroleum Show

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the question from the Member. Certainly, I think the message has to be that there’s hope for the future, not only in the Beaufort-Delta but in the territory, when it relates to our economic development and the opportunities that are out there. I know the organizers have worked hard to put together a solid program for the Inuvik Petroleum Show, which takes place in Inuvik next week. I certainly look forward to speaking at that show. I know the Premier will be there as well as a couple of Regular Members. The message is that there is hope for the future, and we’re looking forward to being there.

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Question 145-17(3): Inuvik Petroleum Show

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

What can we expect to get from the development of our petroleum resources?

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Question 145-17(3): Inuvik Petroleum Show

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We continue to move toward the conclusion of the negotiation on devolution, and certainly I think the territory will benefit greatly from the development of our petroleum resources here in the Northwest Territories. Not only on-shore, but off-shore. After

the agreement is concluded, we will be able to negotiate a deal on off-shore. When you look at the potential that exists in the Beaufort, that’s a tremendous opportunity for this territory going forward. We’re certainly excited about the prospects that are out in the Beaufort. I know Chevron will be out there doing some seismic work this summer. There’s a renewed interest and focus on opportunities in the Beaufort.

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Question 145-17(3): Inuvik Petroleum Show

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you to the Minister. At this time I have no further questions.

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Question 145-17(3): Inuvik Petroleum Show

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my Member’s statement and my concern about the construction of the Trout Lake airport. I’d like to ask the Minister of Transportation , what work is being planned for construction this summer.

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. David Ramsay .

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have had some difficulties with getting the construction of that airport complete in Trout Lake. We will continue to work. We’re under a project management regime now, similar to what we started out with in the community of Trout Lake. We look forward to continuing with the embankment work. There have been some delays in the project until next year, but certainly work continues, and it is our belief that the department can continue to work with the community of Trout Lake to maximize the opportunities at the local level.

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m pleased that there is progress with the construction. The concern from the community, and myself as MLA, has been that when the Department of Transportation management team was previously wanting to do the contract, they were trying to get outside contractors, from outside the community, from outside the region. I want assurance and commitment from the Minister that they will not be doing this again.

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

The project manager certainly would have to come from outside of the community, but our expectation would be that the project manager would work with the community in trying to identify local labour contractors, and if they are not available in the community of Trout Lake, certainly looking at other communities located in the Member’s riding.

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Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

That’s the kind of assurance I’m looking for. It would be nice to get that in writing.

I think the most important thing is, when I say work with the community, is that when they’re talking about contracting and opportunities, that there is some type of management team set up with the community members so that they are involved in the project. Currently, the way it’s set up now is that they’re being consulted, but they would like to be actively involved. This is a $7 million contract. How can we continue to involve the community so that we don’t even look outside our region for any contractors whatsoever?

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

The project manager in Trout Lake has identified a community liaison person who is responsible for finding operators, picking up and dropping off personnel, and general other duties associated with the project. We have a liaison there. We have been working with the community. If the Member is aware of instances where that isn’t happening, or cases where he feels or the community feels that we aren’t working with them, that’s something I’d like for him to bring to my attention and we’ll certainly try to rectify that.

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of the community and myself, I have certainly brought any deficiencies or inappropriate potential conflicts of outside contractors to the Minister and I will continue to do that. Is there such a policy that will guarantee that communities like Trout Lake, with huge infrastructure projects, will benefit? If we can’t involve the local development corporation because of unforeseen circumstances, that at least they be included in the management team.

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

We have employed this project management approach in a number of small communities across the Northwest Territories and we haven’t encountered difficulties. We are encountering some difficulties here. I’ve had an opportunity to sit down with the leadership from the community of Trout Lake. We are back there and doing what we can to work with the community. It’s moving forward and our commitment as a department is to work with the community. I just wanted to reiterate that. If the Member or the community feels that’s not happening, I’d be more than happy to address those concerns.

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Question 146-17(3): Construction

Schedule For Relocation Of The Trout Lake Airport Runway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 147-17(3): Role Of The Hamlet Councils In Infrastructure Development

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I talked about the role of the hamlet councils in our communities. I have, in my riding, some communities that have clearly expressed their

aspirations to try to be more independent in terms of trying to provide critical services to the communities. I wanted to ask the Minister what are the steps in how it is that these local community councils could undertake to address issues with trying to repair or build vital service infrastructure in the communities.

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Question 147-17(3): Role Of The Hamlet Councils In Infrastructure Development

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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