Cost Of Living — 10 February 1997 (13th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 493–522)

1997-02-10, 13th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 493–522

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Cost Of Living — 10 February 1997 (13th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 493–522)

1997-02-10, 13th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 493–522

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Feb. 10th, 1997

This is page numbers 493 - 522 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Fire In Fort Mcpherson

High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Language Services

Passing Of Former Baker Lake Resident Neil Angoyauq

South Slave Leaders Meeting

Proposed Closure Of Delta House

Aboriginal Achievement Awards

Kids' Helpline Bowlathon

Aboriginal Achievement Awards

Proposed Closure Of Nunavut Weather Station

Interpreter/translator Services

High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Public Libraries Funding

Mackenzie River Basin Agreement

Affirmative Action Policy

School Fire In Fort Mcpherson

Privatization Initiatives

Closure Of Iqaluit Weather Station

Financial Assistance For Sait Student

Commitment To Delta House

Appeals Of Job Competitions

Rural And Remote Housing Initiative

Committee Report 5-13(4): Report On Changes To The Seniors' Fuel Subsidy

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 493

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 44-13(4): Fire In Fort Mcpherson

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 493

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement.

Mr. Speaker, by now, most Members of the Assembly will have heard about the fire that destroyed four portable classrooms in Fort McPherson over the weekend. I would like to take this opportunity to bring Members up to date on the situation.

The fire started yesterday in the media resource centre, which was being used as temporary classroom space for students in Grades 7 to 9. I am happy to report that there were no injuries in the fire. However, the entire structure and all contents were lost. The Department of Finance will be sending an adjuster from the Risk Management Division into Fort McPherson to gather information.

Grade 7 to 9 students will not be attending class today. A representative of the Beaufort-Delta Divisional Education Council is travelling to the community today and a meeting will be held this afternoon to decide how to accommodate the students in the short term. The new school should be ready in about six weeks. The cause of the fire is unknown. The Department of Public Works and Services will issue a tender to remove the debris. The department anticipates the site will be cleaned up over the weekend.

I would like to express my regret that the students, school staff and people of Fort McPherson must deal with the loss of another school building, just a year after the Chief Julius School burned down. The members and staff of the Beaufort-Delta Divisional Education Council have handled the loss of the previous school, and the building of the new school, in a coordinated and professional manner. I have great confidence in the Council's ability to handle the current situation, in a way that causes the least possible disruption to the students and their teachers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 44-13(4): Fire In Fort Mcpherson

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 493

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 493

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to talk today, about a situation that has recently been brought to my attention. The problem, Mr. Speaker, is the extremely high prices that many northerners must pay for groceries. This problem is not new, Mr. Speaker, and it does not only affect constituents of Amittuq but residents of all remote communities throughout the Northwest Territories. Through its programs, Mr. Speaker, this government spends thousands and thousands of dollars every year to promote healthy lifestyles.

Brochures, pamphlets and posters identify the importance of drinking milk, eating fresh fruits and vegetables. Although these products may be good for you, Mr. Speaker, the fact is that most people, living a traditional lifestyle, simply cannot afford them. This situation is of great concern to me, Mr. Speaker. I believe the government has an obligation to protect the consumer and ensure that the cost of such essential items is not excessive.

At the appropriate time today, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking questions to the Premier on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 493

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Language Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 493

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, Members. (Translation ends) The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has been talking about changes to the Language Bureau. There are two areas of change. One, is to give the language communities more funding to carry out the development and promotion of languages. The other change is the privatization of interpreter/translator services.

The interpreter/translators in the Language Bureau have also played an important role in helping develop terminology. Forty years ago, most Inuit people were living in traditional lifestyles. We have seen many changes, Mr. Speaker. These changes have needed new words. The Language Bureau has helped in creating these new words and letting everyone know about them. I am worried about who will coordinate new developments in our language.

Mr. Speaker, I am seeking unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Language Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Enuaraq . You have unanimous consent.

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Language Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) I cannot speak for the west, but I know it is important for my people, in my area, to have a corps of interpreters and translators working for the government. Later today, I will be asking the Minister some questions about language services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Language Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Passing Of Former Baker Lake Resident Neil Angoyauq

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Unfortunately I am saddened to tell Members of this House of another tragic death in my constituency. Mr. Neil Angoyauq died during this past weekend. Although he was residing in Iqaluit at the time of his death, Neil was originally from Baker Lake where he is survived and mourned by his family. I am sure all Members of this House will join me in sending Neil's family our deepest sympathy regarding their loss. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Passing Of Former Baker Lake Resident Neil Angoyauq

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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South Slave Leaders Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last weekend in Fort Smith, the leaders of the South Slave gathered for the first time in a number of years, to discuss what type of working relationship we should have, if any, as communities and as leaders and to try to focus on economic issues. Mr. Speaker, I would like to indicate to this House that the meetings were quite positive and some issues came out that are, I think, of interest to everybody. Totally unsolicited, as it was not part of the agenda, were the comments by the leaders around the table in regards to constitutional development. Mr.

Speaker, the message was very clear to me as I sat in a chair listening to the comments. The direction was that the government should be focusing on: taking care of division, taking care of economic issues, working with the Metis and the First Nations people to resolve land claim issues and outstanding self-government issues and to put all our attention and energy into that area in the coming years, prior to division. So, when we go to do community consultation, we have a very clear indication in the South Slave, from the leadership, as to what they are thinking on this issue.

The Mayor of Hay River indicated, in fact, that he would be going to his council to seek a motion indicating that very direction.

As well, Mr. Speaker, the other issue of critical importance, for the whole western Arctic, was the issue of the rivers and waters and how we are being impacted by other jurisdictions, Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia and the Yukon, and the fact that there are some major jurisdictions that have not signed the Mackenzie River Basin Agreement, specifically Saskatchewan, British Columbia and the Yukon which, coincidentally, are all NDP governments and normally in the forefront on environmental issues. In this particular case, they are definitely at the back of the bus.

I will be asking the Minister for RWED , how we can further pursue trying to get these other parties to the table to sign this critical agreement, so we can protect the waterways that are so vital and fundamental for the people of the western Territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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South Slave Leaders Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Proposed Closure Of Delta House

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend, I returned to my home of Inuvik and held a public meeting. It was good that the Minister of Health and Social Services could accompany me to hear, first-hand from the people of Inuvik, of their displeasure with the announcement of Delta House being closed.

Mr. Speaker, for approximately three hours or a little longer -- three and a half hours as we heard the Minister mumble -- we faced questions and heard the concerns with the decision to close Delta House. I heard from the people of Inuvik of their concern with the way the information was flowing, the lack of consultation with the community itself and the concern with where people were going to get their help. Where do they go from here and what is the next step? On a number of occasions, members of the community asked the Minister if he would reconsider the decision to close the facility.

Although he would not change the decision made, he did commit to giving the board and the staff a little extra time to look at alternatives. The community is thankful for that but there is still a lot of concern as to where these alternatives will come from. I would hope that as this budget goes through that there will be avenues opened up to the place we know as Delta House, to continue to help and serve the people of the Delta, as they have done for 20 years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Proposed Closure Of Delta House

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Aboriginal Achievement Awards

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 494

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to take a few minutes to thank the

Members of the Legislature and yourself for providing me with the opportunity to, I believe, in the latter part of last week, to attend the Aboriginal Achievement Awards in Calgary. I thank the Premier and the Cabinet for supporting me, as well as yourself, in being able to attend that event. Mr.

Speaker, I wanted to draw the Members' attention to something that I found to be of great significance while attending it, not only in receiving the award this year, which I am very grateful for, but also to draw attention to a very important fact, which is this National Achievement Award is the only forum in this country that gives recognition to achievements to aboriginal people across all sectors of our lives, and it is done by a national jury of aboriginal people. So it is a national jury of aboriginal people that make the selection every year and it is aboriginal people that make the nominations.

What I found to be incredibly enriching is while attending it I have now become aware, where I was not before, of achievements that we have made as aboriginal people in other fields. For instance, we have met doctors, aboriginal doctors, judges, lawyers, and film makers, actresses, and actors, authors, and poets, as well as business people and artists and members of the clergy. These people are world class, nationally renowned, internationally acclaimed people in some cases.

This forum provided to me, for the very first time, an opportunity where I could meet people from these other fields and to celebrate with them the achievements that they have attained and this has not been available, so it provides me with the opportunity, as well, to advance their achievements to young leaders that we have here in the north, in forums that will be available to me. Thank you very much.

-- Applause.

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Aboriginal Achievement Awards

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 495

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . On behalf of the rest of the colleagues, I would like to congratulate you for your well-deserved award.

-- Applause.

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Kids' Helpline Bowlathon

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 495

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is about the kids' help phone, better known as the kids' help line, and a bowlathon that is held every year to raise money for the phone line. Mr. Speaker, in a perfect world every child would be loved and safe. Unfortunately, that is not the case. In fact, each year thousands of children run away from home, some from abuse, some in anger at their parents. Thousands of others are in desperate situations in their homes. Many years ago, a kids' help phone was created. Kids in trouble anywhere in the country can call this toll-free number.

The number can be found wherever kids might be: in the schools, on mailboxes, on the bus depots, and drop-in centres. Every year the line gets calls from kids who need help to get out of a bad situation at home or on the street. Kids' help phone has been a life-line for many kids in trouble, but it needs money to operate. On Saturday, February the 22nd, the annual bowlathon for kids' help phone will be held in the Northwest Territories. Every year the NWT raises more money per capita than the other provinces and territory.

This is done with the assistance of the Elks Lodge, who matches dollar-for-dollar money raised, up to $25,000. Once again, this year, there will be a number of people participating here in Yellowknife, including the Yellowknife MLAs and, hopefully, Mr. Todd , who will be filling in for an injured Premier Morin. I would like to add here that a few years ago, Mr. Morin was not the Premier at the time, but he raised the most money of any individual in the N.W.T.

-- Applause.

Mr. Speaker, if someone approaches you, anybody, to sponsor them for this bowlathon, I would ask them to please to do so to help the kids. This year, Debbie Euchner is co-ordinating the events in Yellowknife and I would like to thank her for her efforts. Thank you.

-- Applause.

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Kids' Helpline Bowlathon

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 495

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Aboriginal Achievement Awards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to thank the Members for giving me a chance to be a part of the achievement awards. Ethel Blondin and I were able to participate in giving an award, so I would like to thank the Premier and the Members for giving me a chance to participate in the Aboriginal Achievements Awards, and I am glad that we are able to recognize people today that have helped a lot in the north. Also, I am grateful that Stephen Kakfwi was a part of the award giving. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 495

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Proposed Closure Of Nunavut Weather Station

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 495

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on April 1st, 1997, the manned Nunavut weather station in Iqaluit is to be closed down as a budgetary measure of the federal government. I wrote Minister Marchi in September about this development. In November I met with Mr. Marchi's people in Ottawa with a representative of the Baffin Chamber of Commerce to address the closure. It would seem, to no avail. The Nunavut weather station in Iqaluit helps produce a twice-a-day forecast for 94 communities serviced by TVNC.

It also supports international collection of scientific data for AT&T laboratories, collection of data for the University of Maryland and the University of New Hampshire, as well as seismology information for Energy and Mines Canada.

a manned, fully staffed weather station. Federal officials have informed us that weather observers through FSS would be provided. The next step may be automation, and we all have heard of the problems in the north to-date with that service. Mr. Speaker, I will be asking our territorial Minister later today on our government's position with this closure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 496

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 274-13(4): Interpreter/translator Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) Early today in my Members' statement, I raised a concern about privatization of the interpreter/translator services in the Language Bureau. I am concerned about how we will make sure that there is a consistent level of service. Can the Minister explain how his department will monitor the consistency and accuracy of interpreter/translators when there is no more staff in this area? Thank you.

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Question 274-13(4): Interpreter/translator Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Education, Culture, and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Question 274-13(4): Interpreter/translator Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are not proposing that all of the staff be eliminated in the Language Bureau. There would be some staff kept on who would be responsible for ensuring that the job was still being done adequately. It would be our intention to ensure that interpreters and translators were properly certified. This government would continue to develop and institute standards and certificate programs to ensure that interpreter/translators were certified.

We would need to have some core staff who would work with the language communities, and cultural communities, to ensure that work was still being done on the development and promotion of aboriginal languages. Mr. Speaker, if I can, just one point that the Member made in his Members' statement, he talked about medical interpreters in the Language Bureau. Medical interpreters are not tied to the Language Bureau. Medical interpreters are directly hired by hospitals and health boards and there would be no impact from this change on medical interpreters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 274-13(4): Interpreter/translator Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 275-13(4): High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Premier , Don Morin . Would the Premier agree that food prices in remote communities are significantly higher than in Yellowknife and southern Canada? Does the Premier agree with me regarding that statement? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Question 275-13(4): High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Question 275-13(4): High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Food prices are a lot higher in our remote communities and in communities that we are supplying off the highway, for example. Yellowknife food prices are fairly reasonable this day, but the smaller communities, remote communities, are very high. Thank you.

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Question 275-13(4): High Cost Of Living In Remote Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) What is the government doing to ensure that prices for food in remote communities are not unnecessarily high? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our government has many subsidies in place, for example, fuel subsidies. We also have spent many dollars on putting in winter roads and to some communities we also have upgraded the icebreaker system in the eastern Arctic, putting dollars into that as well, and we try to assist wherever possible. Thank you.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Premier commit to having this government review the situation in the Amittuq area? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have any problem reviewing the situation or looking at the situation, but as Members know, and as the Member does know, that we, as a government, are in a financial situation that makes it very difficult to find spare dollars. We do not have any spare dollars to put into lowering food prices at the present time, but we have worked with the communities to try to get more food brought into those communities. For example, in Grise Fiord, where the food did not get shipped because of the ice, a government resupply was shipped privately. We did assist in that case. Thank you.

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Question 276-13(4): Public Libraries Funding

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Education, Culture, and Employment . Can the Minister confirm that his department is considering a new method of allocating funds to public libraries throughout the NWT? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has been some initial work started. There was an internal discussion paper regarding the restructuring of library services, which I believe the Member for Iqaluit has asked some questions about previously. So the answer to the question is: yes, there has been some work started at examining the possibility of restructuring library services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am wondering if the Minister could identify, I realize it is in the preliminary stages, but the new funding method, what it is based on? If it includes cost of living, population, so on? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the document that the Member refers to is not before this House, and is not intended to be a public document. I am not sure that it would necessarily serve the public interest to talk about something which was an initial kick-at-the-can, as I said earlier, in which we were taking a look at how to restructure library services. I think, Mr. Speaker, the intention is to recognize that there is a problem with the way libraries are handled right now. There are 40 communities in the Northwest Territories that do not receive any funding for libraries.

So, while the Members' communities of Baker Lake and Arviat do get funding for libraries, in the same region, Chesterfield, Repulse and Coral Harbour get nothing for libraries.

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Some Hon. Members

Shame!

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

We have to find some way to deal with that. We have started the work with an internal discussion paper to look at various ways that we can address the situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that was going to be one of my following questions. If, for example, we have communities that have shown a decrease in population, for example, what would be the effect on that community? What protection would they be given? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, it is too early to say. We are expecting that we would go out for consultation with Divisional Education Councils, MLAs, with other groups that are interested in library services across the Northwest Territories before coming forward with a proposal to assess how funding will be handled. But, we have to recognize funds are limited. What we have started doing is looking for some way, within the existing funds, to be able to provide assistance to all communities in the north to have a library.

For instance, is it fair that Pond Inlet with a population similar to Tuk receives about $20,000 for a library when Tuk receives nothing? We have to find some way, across the Northwest Territories, to balance out what we are giving to communities for libraries. So, I cannot answer the Member's question as to what would happen if population changes. Population was the major factor in the first internal draft that we looked at. That does not mean that it will necessarily be the major factor in the final draft. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I agree on almost everything that the Minister has stated. On one hand, though he is saying that it is premature to ask the questions, but on the other hand, he is justifying the issue. So, my question is when, if it is premature, can we expect to get an answer or more information on this particular issue?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we started taking a look at this issue because the feeling was that as the digital communications network comes into place across the north, that may make it easier for communities to access library services. Therefore, what we are looking at is trying to restructure the library services at the same time that that network comes into place. So, we are not talking about fiscal 97-98. We are talking about trying to have something in effect, probably for fiscal 98-99, in terms of restructuring.

Once the department has the initial discussion paper somewhat refined after internal discussions, we will be going out, as I said earlier, to talk to hamlets, to the MLAs, to Education Councils and get some public feedback from across the north. We have the course of the next 10 or 12 months to do that, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 277-13(4): Mackenzie River Basin Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for RWED and it is in regards to the unsigned Mackenzie River Basin Agreement, that is unsigned by British Columbia, Saskatchewan and the Yukon. Mr. Speaker, it is very clear the people of the Northwest Territories are the end recipients of any pollution, of any dumping, pulp mills, lumbering, dams that are built in other jurisdictions. Can the Minister indicate to this House any ideas that he has in terms of pressuring these other jurisdictions to, in fact, honour their obligations and sign that agreement?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resource, Wildlife and Economic Development. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I understand it, as of today, the Government of British Columbia has just about completed their review of the transboundary water agreement and will be submitting recommendations to the Cabinet in the very near future. Premier Don Morin has indicated that he will be requesting a meeting with the Premier , Glen Clarke, also in the next few weeks to encourage the government to sign, and to give favourable consideration to the transboundary agreement which is before that government at this time. So, that is the present status as I know it, of that initiative, at this time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This issue was the source of considerable discussion in Fort Smith on the weekend and people are very, very concerned. The federal government while it is a signatory to this transboundary agreement has not been very demonstratably active in furthering the signing of this transboundary agreement. Would the Minister also be willing to contact federal officials to get them to use their influence with these other jurisdictions to in fact come to the table and sign this very important agreement, or the Premier , when he is meeting with officials in Ottawa? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this government is also making some initial contacts with the Yukon government. We have now a tentative agreement to meet perhaps as soon as this session is over in order to deal with several items of mutual concern that we have. In the meantime, we are encouraging the Yukon government, as well, to expedite their review of this transboundary water agreement in order for them to sign it at the earliest opportunity.

Every occasion that we have to encourage members to honour their draft agreement and to formally sign, we take it up as well to suggest that if it is, in our view, appropriate and politically acceptable and inducive to a positive relationship, we would encourage the federal government to use, as you would say, their good offices, to expedite parties to sign proposed agreements. However, Members know that in some instances the federal government is not seen always as a positive influence by certain governments.

Certainly, there is occasion when governments resent federal intrusion into those jurisdictions where they are not welcome. So, we have the good interest of the people at heart, and we would take whatever action we think would assist in the positive developments of those initiatives that we support. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the BC Hydro people came to Fort Smith a few weeks back, some of the officials said they were very surprised and did not realize the impact of their decisions in jurisdictions downstream from them, especially the distance of the Northwest Territories. There seems to be a significant lack of awareness in other jurisdictions of the significant, not only significant, incredible impact of the decisions made in other jurisdictions on our waterways.

Would the Minister also consider possibly hosting a meeting on this kind of issue just to impress upon these folks that this is an issue that is very, very vital and that what they do has a long term impact from the 60th parallel right to the Mackenzie Delta? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the suggestion by the Member is well taken and I would be quite willing to take it under advisement to see where I could use the suggestion in a positive way in the work that I do with other jurisdictions, in regards to the land and water issues that our government deals with, in regards to the federal government and other jurisdictions. Thank you.

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Question 278-13(4): Affirmative Action Policy

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier regarding affirmative action policy. The Premier and other Ministers of this government have told us in this House a number of times, that we hire managers to manage. The Premier and other Ministers, particularly Ms. Thompson , have told us that we hire the best person for the job when they were referring to hiring senior managers within this government. Mr. Speaker, I support that position, and I believe taxpayers, who pay for these services, deserve the best service from the best qualified people that the government can hire.

My question to the Premier is now that managers, who are left to hire, when they tell the Premier that we have taken the affirmative action

policy into consideration and yes, we have hired the best person for the job, what will the Premier 's response be if the target groups identified in the affirmative action policy do not increase. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The affirmative action policy, the Member is correct, we have concerns about that policy. The concern is that it has not met the goal that was set when the policy was set up which was to have 51 percent aboriginal and long-term northerners in government jobs. It has not met that goal. As of today, I think it is right around 31-34 percent. So, the Member is quite correct when he says that the managers are hired to manage, they follow the policy and still it does not increase the affirmative action candidates in this government. So, that is happening, it is not if.

What we have done, and we have made a commitment to this House, is to look at the affirmative action policy; make suggestions on how we can redefine it; bring it into this Legislative Assembly during this session and have a debate on the affirmative action policy. Then revamp it, take it back to the drawing board and rewrite it so that we do have a policy that better reflects today and better reflects on how we can meet the goal of 51 percent aboriginal and long-term northerners in government jobs. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier , by his own admission, has agreed that the policy that is in place has not achieved what it was put in place for. When the Premier gets questioned about the hiring of senior people, he says, we hired the best person for the job and, in most of the cases recently, that has not been someone within the affirmative action target group. So, he has told this House that they hired the best person for the job, and I accept that.

Now, will the Premier accept that when his senior staff tell him, yes, we have taken the affirmative action policy into consideration, we hired the best person for the job, if it does not achieve an increase in affirmative action candidates? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have no doubt in my mind that, by changing the way we do business, through the Government of the Northwest Territories, by making managers responsible, by making the deputies ultimately responsible for the hiring and make it very clear to them that they will be held responsible, that will be a lot better than having two different departments involved in hiring, where they can pass the buck from one to the other. This puts the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the deputy. If the deputy tells me that he has followed the policy and he ends up hiring the best person for the job, I will take his word for that. Thank you.

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Question 279-13(4): School Fire In Fort Mcpherson

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment with regard to the statement that he made in the House earlier in regards to the loss of the duplexes in Fort McPherson. With that I would also like to send my regrets out to the students and teachers and people of Fort McPherson. One of the things that we do not realize is that, a lot of the questions I was asking with regard to insurance and policies, such as (inaudible), was leading up to exactly what has happened here again this weekend and the whole thing about coverage that is in place for teachers, students and also the infrastructure itself.

My question to the Minister is in regards to the fire that just occurred, does he know, in regards to the policy, why are teachers not covered under the policy when they lose goods in fires, yet students are?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can only assume that this government insures those articles which it owns and insurance companies typically expect the owner of an

article to insure them. I suppose it comes back to the same situation as a tenant. As I understand the situation now, a landlord insures the basic structure of a house and whoever is renting that house, is responsible for obtaining insurance for any of the contents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the policy and the insurance itself and also regards to the students, you can lose a home, or a loved one, or a dog. There is some feeling of loss there which people ... you cannot replace that. I think that, in the case of the teachers to whom I have spoken, said they have spent a lot of years getting into the teaching profession, where they get a lot of reports and also studies that they have put together so that they can present these in classes to the students. A lot of this loss that they have is that you cannot replace that.

I would like to ask the Minister if he could seriously look at the policy to ensure there is protection there for the teachers and their goods and services that they do leave within those classrooms. So, when there is an instance like this weekend, there is coverage there for them. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can suggest that the Department of Finance take a look at whether or not that sort of coverage would be expensive and we can examine it. As I said, I know that, for instance, in my personal home owner's insurance, if I lose my camera, no matter the circumstances, I have insured my personal property to be covered, whether it is in my house, in my car, in a hotel or in some other location. I believe that it is up to an individual to ensure that they have adequate insurance coverage for their own personal property. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not think it is practical for the teachers to take all their books home every night when they go home, just to ensure that they are not destroyed in a fire, in the case of a school, or whatever burns down. I think the point I am trying to make is that, presently, there is no coverage for that and, in the case of Fort McPherson, we have had two fires in the last year in which these teachers have gone through one loss and now have to go through another one. You talk about your camera having to be insured, I think that is a different matter, it is a personal item.

I think when you are talking about materials that are used on a day to day basis by teachers to teach the class, that should be covered by that department. I would like to tell the Minister again, if he can give me a copy and go through the policy to ensure that is there and, if it is not, then make an attempt to ensure that coverage is there for the teachers. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I previously indicated to the Member, I will be happy to pass that suggestion on to the Department of Finance and ask that they have a look at it. I cannot commit that they will necessarily confirm it. I do know, Mr. Speaker that, for instance, in our insurance policy, there has to be a total of $1 million in losses before any claim can be submitted. So, what was lost in this fire most recently in Fort McPherson, because it will probably not be over $400,000, we will not be able to submit a claim for it. So, it will be a total loss to this government and to the department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the comments by the Minister, it seemed like there is possibly nothing that he can do from the department's perspective but I believe that if he would like to carry out an initiative to put a call out there to other teachers or other professional institutions to see if there is a possibility of compensating these individuals for their loss, by donations or whatever, in regards to this system because I think it is not a fair system having to go through this twice in one year. I would like to ask the Minister if he would put out a call for donations to those teachers and their students for the losses they have had in the fire over the weekend. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe, in the past, there have been a number of public donations to assist the community of Fort McPherson because of the loss of the Chief Julius School and I expect that northerners will respond as necessary to ensure that classes can continue in the Grade 7 to 9 facilities that burned down over the weekend. I understand that the Education Council will be coordinating what is needed and, once we hear from them, I would be happy to respond with a public call, if that is what is needed. However, I suspect that we will hear directly from the Beaufort-Delta Education Council regarding what they see as necessary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 280-13(4): Privatization Initiatives

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is in regards to privatization. Mr. Speaker, over the past week, there have been many questions raised by Members in the House as to this government's privatization initiative, including POL services and property management. Mr. Speaker, the Premier has responded by stating that Mr. Kakfwi , Minister of Economic Development , is responsible for coordinating privatization initiatives. Therefore, I would like to ask Mr. Kakfwi , Minister responsible for Economic Development if, indeed, he has an established privatization policy that would apply to POL services and property management? Thank you.

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Thank you. The Minister responsible for Resource, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as the Premier indicated, there is a need for overall government coordination of the privatization initiatives that we have decided to advance. Petroleum products, to look at privatization of that particular division; to look at privatization in the area of computer services, maintenance and also to look at housing, government properties, buildings.

Because they were initiatives that were the responsibility of different departments, the Cabinet felt that perhaps this ministry, because our expertise in looking at business initiatives and the capacity to provide an analysis on a business basis, we would be in the best position to look at the viability of these initiatives that would come forward from the individual departments. Cabinet set out certain criteria that they wanted to look at in regard to these different initiatives and we have tried to make sure that we work with the different departments to ensure that these were met.

So, there is no specific policy in place but we did have a general basis on which to look at the merits and viability of privatizing these different initiatives. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since there is no policy in place, I wonder if the Minister could give me an indication of when they may be through considering whether or not they are going to privatize POL and when the public may expect to see a decision in this regard? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my intention, along with Mr. Arlooktoo , to submit a paper to Cabinet in the very near future for Cabinet to consider in regard to a proposed initiative to privatize petroleum products. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I spoke about the closure of the Iqaluit weather station. I was also just informed that, on April 1st, 1997, that the Yellowknife weather station will also be closed. My question is for the Minister of RWED . Has the Minister contacted the federal Minister for the Environment, Mr. Sergio Marchi, on the impending closure of the two weather stations here in the north?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regards to the question and in regards to the weather stations in Iqaluit and in Yellowknife, that particular situation is the responsibility of the federal government. I think the department has expressed concern about that, but the only concern that we have in the Department of Transportation is in regard to air transportation in this case. NAV Canada is responsible for the weather for providing it to the aircraft industry, and the coast guard is providing weather and ice conditions to the ships.

That is our role in this government as Department of Transportation and, in regards to the overall weather station, it is an Environment Canada issue. We could pass on our concern to the federal government, the department that is responsible for that. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the concern here, of course, is that the weather station, for example based in Iqaluit for Nunavut, and I guess the one here for Yellowknife, provide that on-the-spot weather service. Now right now if it goes to the 1-800 service then we have to contact Edmonton so that is the concern especially in the east where we have a lot of people who go hunting and fishing and rely on that weather service daily. The next logical step after you downsize the weather station is go to automation.

We have had some very serious concerns like in Cambridge Bay, where they have had automation problems. So, I guess, my question to the Minister of Transportation would be then, would he commit to this House to write Minister Marchi with these concerns and I will forward some letters that I have already written to Mr. Marchi and update the Minister on our concerns. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before the New Year in November, I had opportunity to travel to the High Arctic. I was in Resolute Bay as well as Cambridge Bay, and in Cambridge Bay that concern was addressed to me by residents up in the Kitikmeot area there. Phoning a 1-800 number and getting a recording from Edmonton is not very suitable. It was expressed to me that the conditions in the High Arctic are extreme and you need visual contact with the environment to talk to the different aircraft that use the airspace in that area.

So, yes, in fact I think that the department has already sent our concerns over to the federal counterpart in this area. If we have not done so, then we will do so with the support of honourable Mr. Picco and working together, perhaps we could emphasize the point of the concern that was raised here today. Thank you.

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Question 282-13(4): Financial Assistance For Sait Student

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

My question is for the Minister of Education , the Honourable Mr. Dent . I have received a letter from a student who is attending the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology, SAIT, in Calgary and she informs me by her letter that she was granted financial assistance to attend school and now that has been cut off. Yvette Schreder is her name. She quit her job with the City of Yellowknife after Christmas to enrol in a transitions program at SAIT. In the previous November, Miss Schreder was informed by the GNWT that she would be approved and that she had been approved for a basic grant and a primary loan.

Then, in December she was granted a needs assessed loan. When she got to Calgary on January 16, she was informed by the territorial government that the territorial government does not support students in the transitions programs because it is considered an upgrading program which is not funded by the GNWT, and her funding was pulled as a result. She has been able to get some money together and has remained in the transition program at SAIT, but her tuition costs which she has raised herself with difficulty has been $1,400.

My question to the Minister, could he confirm that apparently there are other students who have been informed of the same funding cut. I wonder if the Minister could tell us if he is aware of this and if this is correct this student and other students have been cut off of this funding.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot answer the Member's question. The letter arrived in my office this morning from Ms. Schreder, and it will take some time for my officials to give me some information on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 283-13(4): Commitment To Delta House

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . As I stated in my Member's statement, there was a public meeting held in Inuvik on Friday evening. The Minister attended and did make a commitment to the chairman at Delta House at the end of the evening. I would like to know if the Minister would inform us what is entailed in that commitment. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there was an issue in respect to the use of the capital equipment that the Delta House Society had within their centre and whether or not that equipment would be available for their use post-April 1, once funds from us were withdrawn in respect to the residential alcohol and drug treatment dollars, and I advised the chairperson of the Delta House Society at that time that I saw no problem, that I committed to allowing them to continue to use the equipment at least until June 30. Further to that, I would like to say that I am even considering taking it one step further, Mr.

Speaker. I am having my staff check out right now if we even require to have those capital assets returned at all, and the possibility of just writing them off or allowing them to continue to remain in that facility for community use, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us here if he is also willing to look at the proposals that may come forward concerning Delta House if they are to change the way that they deliver programs. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did indicate in the public meeting that we would entertain proposals for coordinating or accessing funds that are within this current year's fiscal budget, if the Delta House Society could make arrangements with community groups, with the local town council to take on some of the, for example, alcohol and drug awareness outreach programs that they had.

If they wanted possibly to access some of the funds that may be available through the early childhood intervention initiative that we are in the process of finalizing and any other programs that may be available through our current funds, I said that we would have no problems in entertaining those types of proposals, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In that meeting there was also concerns raised with consultation with the community. Can the Minister inform us who took

part in the consultation when it came to developing the area of which facility to reduce. Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there may not have been direct consultation in respect to the decision obviously that impacted on Inuvik and the Delta House operation. There was some preconsultations through the alcohol and drug working group, through treatment centres' directors, alcohol and drug people, staff from our department last fall, in respect to some of the alcohol and drug reforms that we were attempting to initiate in developing the alcohol and drug reform policy.

So there was an awareness and a recognition that there was an over supply of residential treatment beds although it was not specified at that time obviously on which facility may be impacted. Once the decision was made we attempted as expediently as possible to notify the Delta House Board of directors and their staff to advise them to give them as much of an opportunity as possible to prepare for the eventual withdrawal of funds from their operation, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Also, during the meeting there was concern brought out about when the decision was made on which facility to close. Can the Minister clarify when the decision on the facility that was identified, when was that made. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there were several options that were looked at as the honourable Member knows. I went before the Standing

Committee to discuss generally some of the alcohol and drug reforms and the possibility of anywhere from closure of two, possibly even three, facilities at one point. A decision was finalized in early to mid-December by myself but it was felt that with Christmas coming on that it was not an ideal situation to make that type of announcement at that time so I made a decision to wait until after the New Year as early as possible after the New Year to formalize any public announcements on the withdrawal of funds for the Delta House operation, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 284-13(4): Appeals Of Job Competitions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 503

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . On February 5th the Minister of Finance indicated that there had been 69 appeals and almost one out of every three of those appeals were upheld. I suppose that one could imply that every third person that was hired that year was hired improperly if you go a little further. I would like to know if Cabinet is concerned about the high rate of appeals that are upheld.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That shows us that the system does work. If you apply for a job and you feel that you have the right to appeal, you do appeal it. Then, you win the appeal. The system must work. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I see the Premier has his tap-dancing shoes on again today. Concerning the high rate of appeals, is Cabinet concerned about the inordinate amount of appeals that were actually upheld, because something was improperly done in the hiring process? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Appeals are only a small part of the staffing process. There are many, many jobs that are filled in this government that are not appealed because people did not feel the need to appeal. So it is just a small part of it, and my understanding is that 69 appeals are very small, compared to the past. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier and the Finance Minister have both indicated that managers are now being allowed to manage and they are responsible for affirmative action and that there would be repercussions if the rate of affirmative action people within the civil service does not rise. Will this include loss of bonus money?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe I can take a moment to try to answer Mr. Erasmus ' question in some detail, because we seem to keep coming back to it and I believe that we need to move on to other things. My friend, Mr. Erasmus , is right to be concerned about this issue. We all want to be satisfied that the interests of aboriginal people and others targeted by our affirmative action policy are adequately protected. The changes we have made, I believe, are the right ones.

The bottom line is that we had to become a smaller and more efficient government, if we are to maintain acceptable levels of services to people in our community. Where Mr. Erasmus and I do not agree, is how to ensure that the objectives of the affirmative action are met on an ongoing basis. My approach, and the approach endorsed by Cabinet and this Legislative Assembly, is to put the onus of advancing the principles, square on the shoulder of the deputy ministers, who have the operational responsibility for the administration of this policy.

I can assure you, Mr. Speaker, that this is a matter that I have specifically raised with the deputy ministers in the past. It was an issue I specifically raised with several of them during the course of my recent performance review process. They are on notice that it is an issue for which their performance will be specifically addressed in June when I meet with them again. If I was a deputy minister, I would be taking that quite seriously. Mr.

Speaker, I realize that we need to revitalize the affirmative action policy of this government, that is why we have committed to bringing a paper forward for discussion by Members of this Assembly, where we can agree that appropriate changes should be made. We will do that. However, Mr. Speaker, once that is done, I will still be looking to the deputy ministers to make sure that the objectives of the policy are met. What it comes down to, Mr. Speaker, is whether we have confidence in our senior managers to manage the priorities we give them. Mr. Speaker, I do. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I would like thank the Premier for finally answering a question that I asked, although it was ten seconds out of his three minutes that he spoke for. While he is being so magnanimous, could he also answer the question that I asked five times on Friday, and which he refused to answer? Is Cabinet concerned that the current affirmative action policy is not being properly implemented? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like I have previously said, ourselves in Cabinet, as well as Members of this Legislative Assembly, are concerned about the numbers of aboriginal and long-term northerners working for this government. We have already made a commitment and we made it publicly, we made it in this Assembly, we have said it, if I said it once, I must have said it 10 times in responding to Mr. Erasmus , that we are concerned that the affirmative action policy is not increasing the long-term northerners and aboriginal people in the employment of this government.

So that is how come we have made that commitment to bring a paper forward to this Legislative Assembly to discuss it with the Members of this Legislative Assembly and rework it and then implement a new policy. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ningark . Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 285-13(4): Rural And Remote Housing Initiative

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 504

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . I have some constituents involved in the old rural and remote program. I have rais

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