Debates of March 5th, 2009

This is page numbers 2821 - 2866 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was agreed .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 52-16(3): Update Of Understanding With Diamond Mines

Minister’s Statement 53-16(3): Uranium Contamination Soil Removal

Import Substitution Policy

Dehcho Process

Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Jobs

Human Trafficking In The 2010 Olympics

Recognition Of Tree Of Peace Friendship Centre Contributions

Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In The Residential Tenancies Act

Uranium-Contaminated Soil Removal In Tulita

Conflict Between Health Care And Dental Plans

26th Annual K’amba Carnival On The Hay River Reserve

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

90th Birthday Of Ken Hunt

Dehcho Process

Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

Transboundary Water Agreements

Conflict Between Health Care And Dental Plans

Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

Contaminated Sites In The NWT

Human Trafficking And Organized Crime

Dehcho Process And Protected Areas Strategy

Tabled Document 23-16(3): Natural Resources Conservation Trust Fund Annual Report 2007-2008

Bill 8: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2008-2009

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Concurrence Of Td 11-16(3), NWT Main Estimates 2009-2010 Carried

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 8: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2008-2009

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:37 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 52-16(3): Update Of Understanding With Diamond Mines

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, on November 27th of last year, our government began an

expanded partnering approach with the Northwest Territories’ three diamond mines to identify ways to attract skilled workers and their families to the Northwest Territories and to advance training and travel initiatives to allow more Northwest Territories residents to be employed in our mines.

This approach was formalized in a Workforce Initiative Memorandum of Understanding that is now guiding our collective efforts to further the development and retention of a diamond mining workforce in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, our agreement with the diamond mines reflects our goals as the 16th Assembly to

provide all communities and regions with opportunities and choices.

Our work under the memorandum of understanding also supports our stated priority to maximize opportunities from resource development. This includes promoting the Northwest Territories as a place to live and work.

Convincing fly-in/fly-out workers to make our Territory their home is a key step that would service to enhance the sustainability of our Northwest Territories economy and grow the population of the Northwest Territories. We are currently defining and

prioritizing the steps that we will need to take to encourage mine employees to stay and live in our communities.

Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories has come a long way since 1996, when our first diamond mine began construction.

Northwest Territories residents have realized 13,000 person years of employment, half of which has been aboriginal employment. Training programs, many in partnership with the mines, have grown to prepare the young and vibrant workforce that exists today.

Innovations like the Mobile Trades Training Lab and the new Underground Miner Training Program ensure that we keep up with the needs of our growing industry and Territory.

The Workforce Initiative Memorandum of Understanding was an important next step. It provides a framework for a strong and positive working relationship that will help government and the mines find more ways to develop the skills and capacities of our residents for industry and attract even more new residents to the Northwest Territories.

One of the key themes that has emerged in our ongoing discussions is the need to find affordable means to expand pick-up points in the Northwest Territories for mine employees. The mines are now looking at ways to remove transportation barriers that will enable expanded employment beyond core recruitment areas and especially from the Northwest Territories northern regions.

In addition, the GNWT and mines will be conducting a survey in late spring with mine employees. This will help identify some of the barriers the Northwest Territories currently faces in retaining these employees in the North. From there, we will be able to work towards addressing the barriers and perceptions that are impacting northern residency.

While our work continues, Mr. Speaker, it is, admittedly, challenged in the short term by the existing economic downturn that we are in. However, in recognizing the cyclical nature of this downturn, it is critical that we work to counter its impacts and, as much as we can, keep building

capacity in our people, business and communities and by doing so, our economy.

We cannot have a healthy and vibrant economy without people. People empower our businesses and provide the market for goods and services that will create more businesses.

This memorandum of understanding is a collaborative investment with our diamond mines to increase northern employment and to attract and retain people to our Territory. Our steering committee will be meeting again in March and I look forward to keeping the Members of this Assembly informed as we move forward with this important initiative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 52-16(3): Update Of Understanding With Diamond Mines

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 53-16(3): Uranium Contamination Soil Removal

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise Members that the last bags of uranium-contaminated soil from Tulita were received at a licensed waste disposal facility in the United States earlier this year.

---Applause

The uranium ore was mined at Port Radium from 1942 until 1960. It was transported in bags down the Great Bear River by barge, portaged by truck at the rapids and loaded onto another barge. Tulita was used as a transfer point for the ore because of its location at the confluence of the Mackenzie and Great Bear rivers. During transfer, ore leaked from the bags into the soil at Tulita.

Cleanup of the uranium-contaminated soil began in the 1980s. The soil was placed in a mound in a secure area near the Tulita Airport while the federal government determined a final disposal option. In 2006 the contaminated soil was packaged into water-resistant bulk storage bags for eventual transport to long-term storage or disposal.

Last October the bags were finally loaded onto barges and transported to Hay River for shipment south to Grande View, Idaho.

Mr. Speaker, I’m advised that Mr. Gordon Yakeleya, whose yard was remediated during the cleanup, loaded the last bag of uranium-contaminated soil onto the barge.

It’s taken 15 years to get the contaminated soil removed from the community.

I would like to commend MLA for the Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya , for his work in persuading the federal

government to expedite the removal and disposal of the uranium-contaminated soil.

---Applause

Tulita was not the only contaminated site along the northern transportation route used to ship uranium ore from Port Radium to Waterways, Alberta. Other sites can be found at Sawmill Bay, Great Bear River, Bell Rock, Fort Smith and Fort Fitzgerald.

Department of Environment and Natural Resources officials will continue to work with the federal government to expedite the continued cleanup of the remaining sites along the northern transportation route. Mahsi.

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Minister’s Statement 53-16(3): Uranium Contamination Soil Removal

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Import Substitution Policy

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to discuss import substitution today; what it is, the opportunities it presents and the support for it that is available to people and businesses from this government. Import substitution is simply making or finding things we need from local and regional resources instead of shipping them here or importing them from far away. For example, instead of importing beef or pork from southern Canada or Australia, many people get their meat from the land, from moose or caribou, bison, ducks and grouse.

Some people heat their homes with firewood they collect themselves or purchase from the local provider instead of importing extremely expensive heating oil from southern Canada. Most people drink local water rather than bottled water from far away.

Substituting imported stuff with locally derived and locally made stuff has many amazing and positive spinoffs. First, the money exchange happens within the community or the region. It’s well known that money spent locally circulates within the community, accelerating its value to the local economy six or seven times. This means, of course, that there are more jobs within the community and options for making a decent living.

The resources that are being used, water, forest, wildlife, et cetera, are looked after better because they are being used regularly, monitored by the users and their value is known and recognized. The land and water is healthier and people are healthier. Further, the skills of people using local resources, either collecting them or using them to

make into value-added products increases, and with increased skills there comes an entrepreneurial spirit that further builds economic options for others.

Finally, making and deriving products from local materials draws on all the people of a community, their traditional and non-traditional knowledge and skills, and results in the strengthening of social ties and social health. The cooperative community is a strong one.

People and businesses can take advantage of the opportunities presented by the concept of import substitution by accessing funds to support their work or to start an import substitution business. A good example is the SEED program, or Support for Entrepreneurs in Economic Development, housed in the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment. Are you interested marketing fish locally, growing and selling vegetables, cutting your heating and power costs by generating your own heat from firewood or solar panels?

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Import Substitution Policy

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, are you interested in these opportunities to use local resources for your own business or your own home? The SEED program and incentives provided by the Arctic Energy Alliance, the Energy Conservation Program in Environment and Natural Resources and other programs exist to help people take advantage of these opportunities.

Mr. Speaker, let’s go further. Rather than shipping crude resources south, let’s start refining products here. Let’s manufacture goods and capture the jobs in our own communities.

Mr. Speaker, straight-on conventional subsidies often support things that are not good for us and that do not promote the multiple goals of this government and our people. Let’s become effective, do the full cost accounting and subsidize things like import substitution to the benefit of our people, our economy and our environment. Mahsi.

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Import Substitution Policy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Dehcho Process

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Dehcho Process is very important to the future of the Dehcho and the future of the NWT. My constituents, as members of the Dehcho First Nations, are becoming increasingly concerned that

this government, by conferring with the federal government, is not helping the Dehcho begin a fair and reasonable negotiation of the Dehcho Process.

Canada has refused to continue talks because the Dehcho First Nations want to complete the land use plan for their territory before moving forward with land selection. Our government, the GNWT, seems satisfied with this delay in talks at the main table. Currently, there is growing pressure for the Mackenzie Gas Project to proceed for the benefit of Canada and, more importantly, for our North.

As you are aware, 40 percent of the pipeline passes through the traditional lands of the Dehcho First Nations. This means that our government must be more supportive in accommodating the Dehcho First Nations if there is a desire to see that pipeline a reality.

I find it shameful that the Government of the Northwest Territories claims to represent the people of the North and that our GNWT claims to care about the environment and waters of the North, yet they are doing everything within its means not to support the people of the Dehcho in their efforts to preserve some of their lands and waters for generations to come.

Mr. Speaker, it is time this government started acting on behalf of the Dehcho. It is in the interest of all Northerners to move the Dehcho Process forward. The fastest way to do this is to ensure that the land use plan is taken seriously by the federal government and ours and completed as stated in the Interim Measures Agreement.

I ask my colleagues on the other side of this House to remember that they have an obligation to the people of the Dehcho. The time has come for this government to actively support the objectives of the Dehcho and to be proactive in accepting that the land use plan is important to the Dehcho Process and the system in conveying this to Ottawa.

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Dehcho Process

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Unless you live in a small, isolated community such as Sachs Harbour, most people will never know what it’s like to not have regular access to a doctor. In the Nunakput community of Sachs, residents have been without a doctor since October or November. That is five to six months ago. That is a shame on this government.

The Inuvik region has not been able to fill their doctor positions and the shortage has affected all areas and communities. I ask this government during shortages such as these, why it is always the small, remote communities that are left out and not getting their fair share. We all know how fast medical conditions can progress. Even after only one or two months, the situation could mean a matter of life or death. Our community health centre staff and nurses are working very hard in trying to ensure the best medical service that they can provide.

Elders especially have difficulty travelling to regional centres. Elders need to have regular checkups, even when things seem to be going well. Elders need our commitment to provide consistent, continuous, and adequate medical services.

This government needs to get serious about medical services provided all across the Territory and not just the regional centres. This government needs to ensure that the shortages of experience in the small and remote communities aren’t always bearing the brunt of it. This government needs to vote resources to ensure all the problems, such as administrative policies and procedures, are not hindering the medical administrative staff from providing the services that are desperately needed.

I will have more questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time.

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Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Jobs

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to speak today about the federal government’s announcement of a Northern Development Agency. It was supposed to consolidate existing northern development activities into one. The federal government has also stated this agency will have funding of $10 million per year with the possibility of millions more for other strategic investments in northern economic development. I would like to know exactly what our government is doing to get this office located in the Northwest Territories.

We have the advantage of being centrally located between our neighbours, Yukon and Nunavut. We are poised to be the economic engine of this country well into the next decade with the possible construction of the Mackenzie Gas Project and the Mackenzie Valley Highway.

I’m very thankful that the federal government is looking positively at northern Canada and is going to be making substantive investment in our three

northern territories. However, I believe that our government should be taking more action to address the other hundreds of jobs located in Ottawa and Gatineau, Quebec, that pertain to northern development. I take issue with the latest job postings looking for five senior policy advisors and five senior analyst positions all located in Gatineau, Quebec.

Directly from one of the postings is, “the organization will lead the development and implementation of an integrated Northern Strategy that will focus on strengthening Canada’s sovereignty, protecting our environmental heritage, promoting economic and social development, and approving governance so that Northerners have greater control over their destinies.” These 10 positions are, again, located in Gatineau, Quebec. Not Iqaluit, not Whitehorse, and not Yellowknife.

This is just an example of jobs that should be located north of 60. Almost all of the northern oil and gas activity is located in the Northwest Territories. So why is it that 29 positions dealing with northern oil and gas are again located in Gatineau, Quebec? Why don’t we hear this government making some noise about any of these positions? Just with the 39 positions I’ve spoken about today, with an average family size of 2.5 and a transfer payment of $22,000 per person, that would mean an additional $22 million in transfer payments and an additional $4 million injected into the local economy.

It’s high time we sit down with the federal government and discuss the jobs pertaining to northern development that are located in Ottawa and Gatineau and get them where they belong.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Human Trafficking In The 2010 Olympics

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While the Olympic Games are an international celebration of sport, sporting events such as these often attract people who traffic and exploit others for profit. I’ve received many letters from constituents and others who are concerned about this problem and who want to see action taken by Canadian governments that will prevent human traffickers from using the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver as an opportunity to exploit trafficking victims.

In 2007 The Future Group, a Canadian, non-government organization that works to combat human trafficking and exploitation, released a report entitled “Faster, Higher, Stronger: Preventing Human Trafficking at the 2010 Olympics”. The

report highlights how human trafficking increased both in Germany during the FIFA World Cup and in Athens at the 2004 Olympics. In Germany, extensive prevention campaigns, immigration controls, and law enforcement efforts prevented a significant increase in human trafficking. In Athens, where measures were not as extensive as those taken by Germany, there was a 95 percent increase in human trafficking victims identified by Greek authorities.

These measures are long overdue. Even without the 2010 Olympics, the RCMP Criminal Intelligence Directorate estimated, in a 2004 report, that 800 people are trafficked into Canada each year, 600 of which are destined for the sex trade. An additional 1,500 to 2,200 people are trafficked from Canada into the United States annually. The majority of these victims are women and children.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Human Trafficking In The 2010 Olympics

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The B.C. government has recently created a special office to deal specifically with this problem. However, to date not a single person has been successfully prosecuted for the offence of trafficking in persons under the Criminal Code and only a handful of victims have received protection through Citizenship and Immigration.

The 2010 Olympics is an opportunity to show the world that Canadians are against human exploitation. I urge the Premier and Minister of

Justice to raise this issue with his federal and provincial counterparts and ask that they step up their efforts to protect victims of trafficking and prosecute those who seek to exploit others.

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Human Trafficking In The 2010 Olympics

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Recognition Of Tree Of Peace Friendship Centre Contributions

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This afternoon I’d like to highlight the contributions the Tree of Peace Friendship Centre makes to Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories. Since its incorporation in 1970, the Tree of Peace has worked to improve the quality of life for aboriginal peoples in Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories by facilitating self-determined social, health, educational, recreational and cultural programs.

The Tree of Peace Friendship Centre is a non-profit charitable organization. Its 13 full-time employees are committed to developing and delivering programs in response to community needs. The community wellness programs focus on addictions, providing awareness and preventive functions, as well as assessments, counselling, referrals, and aftercare. Five community wellness workers conduct support groups, as well as home, hospital, and street visits on a daily basis. They provide an adult education program which gives adult learners the opportunity to complete academic upgrading and prepare for GED exams.

The Tree of Peace posts job opportunities in their office and the Outreach Employment Program assists clients with resume writing, career counselling and offers information on education and apprenticeship opportunities. Through its year-round Community Assistance Program, the Tree of Peace helps elders fill out application forms for fuel subsidies or pension plans and offers interpreting and letter writing services. Between February and April, clients can get assistance filing their personal income tax returns.

Mr. Speaker, the Tree of Peace makes a special effort to reach out to youth. Its urban multi-purpose Aboriginal Youth Committee offers addictions counselling and an elders-youth healing circle. This assists youths with employment and educational needs. Every year the Tree of Peace offers four to six youth the opportunity to attend the dream catchers conference in Edmonton, Alberta, and awards two $500 Linda Grey memorial scholarships to aboriginal students entering a post-secondary institution.

Mr. Speaker, the Tree of Peace Friendship Centre has been a meeting place in our community for nearly 40 years. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to encourage Members of this Assembly and the public to applaud the Tree of Peace for their hard work and dedication. Their services make a difference and helps empower the next generation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition Of Tree Of Peace Friendship Centre Contributions

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After yesterday’s theme day in regards to income support and housing, I have received a lot of phone calls from my constituency in my riding on the comments they heard from the Minister of ECE in regards to results of a survey that his department received in regards to clients being happy with services that they provide.

Mr. Speaker, my constituents are not aware of such a survey that took place. More importantly, they are not satisfied with the service they are receiving in regards to income support and housing. With that survey that was conducted, they would like to suggest to the Minister of Housing and the Minister of ECE , if you really want a survey, come to our communities, have public meetings and hear what the real clients have to say about programs and services in ECE and Housing.

Mr. Speaker, I think it is important that we do make such an effort to ensure that we hear firsthand from the residents of our communities and the real clients that are receiving these so-called services.

Mr. Speaker, I think it is important that we do hear from those individuals. As we all know, one of the top issues we hear whenever we have a constituency meeting or have a Minister in our ridings is the area of housing and income support.

Mr. Speaker, again, more to resolve such an issue, I think public meetings probably will be needed in all communities of the Northwest Territories and get a real survey done by way of the public having an opportunity to say what are the services that they are receiving, and in some cases the services that they are not receiving.

I will use an illustration, Mr. Speaker. An individual who applied for unemployment insurance received it just this Christmas and was told, well, because you have such a big cheque from unemployment insurance, now we are going to charge you economic rent. Again, that is another area that this

government has to be aware of. We are taking money from the feds that we pay into and the Government of the Northwest Territories is taking it back by charging people market rents because they are on unemployment insurance. Again, Mr. Speaker, that is just one illustration of the problem with this system.

I would like to ask the Ministers of ECE and Housing to take up the challenge of the residents of my riding and have public meetings in my riding and hear what the real clients have to say. Thank you.

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Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In The Residential Tenancies Act

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have learned of yet another gap in the authority of the rental officer as laid out in our Residential Tenancies Act. The rental officer is empowered by this act to consider problems brought to his attention by either renters or landlords and to render decisions on these conflicts. He generally deals with matters such as unpaid rent or

interpretations of the conditions of a rental agreement. Most people can appeal to the rental officer for an intervention and decision to solve their impasse. However, the Residential Tenancies Act does not provide for the rental officer to deal with anything encountered by renters and landlords of transitional housing. There is no definition in the act for the term “transitional housing” or “transition home,” so the rental officer has no authority over this kind of rental premise.

Transitional housing is intended as a stepping stone in the continuum of housing possibilities, a waypoint on the route from homelessness to homeownership. Yellowknife has a couple of transition homes, most notably Bailey House and the one run by the Centre for Northern Families. A recent disagreement between a renter and a landlord of a transition home has highlighted that there is no avenue of appeal for residents in this situation. The rental officer refuses to consider any conflict where transitional housing is involved, and rightly so.

He cannot consider intervention under the Residential Tenancies Act because there is no provision identified. This just points out another area where the only avenue of appeal for residents is to go to court, a rather unlikely prospect for most people. It is another reason for the establishment of an ombudsman.

The other solution and probably much cheaper, Mr. Speaker, is to amend the

definitions in the

Residential Tenancies Act to provide for a definition of transitional housing. I know that amendments to the act were completed just last spring and that the Minister will probably tell me that no one brought this matter up when the amendments were being reviewed and discussed. That may be so, but is it not incumbent on the department when amending any act to anticipate and consider all possible situations and ensure that the new act will cover any eventuality for many years to come? I say yes it is. That did not happen last year, Mr. Speaker. Transitional housing was missed and the Justice department needs to revisit the Residential Tenancies Act and make the changes necessary.

All NWT renters and landlords should be covered by this act, no matter what type of accommodation they are in. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Uranium-Contaminated Soil Removal In Tulita

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to say on behalf of the people in Tulita and people in the Sahtu that we want to say how appreciative we are to Minister Miltenberger in terms of the removal of the contaminated site in Tulita. Mr. Speaker, when I became the MLA in the Sahtu, I was driving around with some people in the community and then, at one point in my travels, I worked with my uncle Gordon who looked at the contaminated soil in Tulita. When my uncle and I went to that site close to the airport, he looked at it and was talking about it. Tears were running down his eyes. I said, how come? What is going on?

He said, this contaminated soil was in our yard from our grandfather who raised us as children. I remember playing in that yard when I was young, not knowing that this site was being contaminated with uranium. When my uncle was talking and he was crying, he said, every time I come by this site, it brings me hard times in terms of what this site reminds me of. My grandfather died of cancer. I’m not sure if it is related to the contaminated site. Also, my uncle’s, one of his youngest sons died of cancer. I’m not too sure if that is related to the contaminated site. My grandmother also had cancer.

I wasn’t too sure if it was related to the contaminated site. My uncle fought hard to see if something would get done to remove the contaminated site. Through last year, witnessing and having him haul the last piece of the contaminated package onto the barge was a significant joy for him.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Conflict Between Health Care And Dental Plans

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about a situation of a Northerner who is caught between her dental care plan and the NWT Health Care Plan. It is a very unfortunate situation. She has a tumor in her mouth. Her dentist referred her to a dental surgeon. The dental surgeon had said she needs a biopsy and likely a removal of this growth. The reality of the situation is that care can only be provided in the South. The bad news is her dental plan won’t pay for that. They see it as a medical problem.

Mr. Speaker, so we are all assuming that she now needs to start again in the system while her family physician will have to look over this file and try to get access through the NWT Health Care Plan, but we don’t know for sure. Of course, the obvious fear is that the Health Care Plan will turn around and label it a dental problem.

Her appointment is scheduled by the specialist for April 2nd of this year, so time is short. Help and

support will be needed from the Department of Health and Minister Lee . Mr. Speaker, I can only hope that this problem doesn’t follow the usual pace, what I often describe as moving at the speed of government. Mr. Speaker, I assure you that is no compliment. I am hopeful that her family physician will respect the treatment recommendations of the dental surgeon and refer this patient to get the biopsy and, if necessary, the surgery to remove this tumor. But as we all know, paperwork is paperwork.

The thing to consider is if this tumor was anywhere else on her body, it would be covered immediately and there would be no questions asked. Hopefully, the GNWT Health Care Plan and the Medical Travel Plan will accept this and, indeed, help her through this system of process. Hopefully, no one

will try to squabble with the patient’s insurer about treatment and the payment method while she sits idly by on the sidelines waiting for a clear decision of responsibility. I’m hopeful common sense will prevail.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I hope the Minister today can confirm that this dental care has become medical care and that she will help this person through the system to make sure that this specialist appointment won’t be missed, with one organization pointing fingers at another, that she so desperately needs. Mr. Speaker, assistance from the Department of Health is needed and all we need to hear is that she will look into it and help them through this problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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26th Annual K’amba Carnival On The Hay River Reserve

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today people from all over the Territories and Alberta will be gathering to participate in the 26th Annual K’amba Carnival on the Hay River

Reserve. They will be celebrating and enjoying some fun in the sun and the longer, brighter days.

This annual event is organized by many dedicated volunteers who donate their time and energy to showcase one of the bigger events of the year. Each year the K’amba Carnival Committee organizes the annual winter activities for the first weekend in March. This is when the reserve comes together to celebrate with people from all over northern and western Canada to participate and to compete in indoor and outdoor events. They have many activities that include games such as snowmobile races, dog sled races, dances, children’s events and talent shows for all to watch and join in.

Mr. Speaker, our winters are long and cold and our hardworking volunteers keep the traditions strong by organizing events for the people to shake off the winter blues. I invite people to come out and join the fun this weekend at the Hay River Reserve because it’s K’amba time.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I would like to acknowledge and thank the many volunteers and the sponsors and the participants, as well as the contestants in the search for a K’amba Queen: Ms. Lorna Fabian, Ms. Dawn Nessel, Miss Rayleen Lamalice, Ms. Miranda St. Jean. Also mahsi cho to the organizers: Diane Tourangeau, Victoria St. Jean, Jennifer Lafleur, the K’amba Carnival Committee, Chief Alex Sunrise and his council and all the people of the

K’atlodeeche First Nations. On behalf of the people of the Deh Cho, I would like to wish everyone a safe weekend and fun time at the carnival. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize one of my brothers, the mayor from Hay River, His Worship Jean-Marc Miltenberger.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Mr. Patrick Scott, a former resident of Nahendeh. Welcome to the gallery. Mahsi.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Menicoche. I’d like to welcome everyone in the gallery today. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. Item 7, acknowledgements.

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Acknowledgement 5-16(3): 90th Birthday Of Ken Hunt

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Colleagues, it gives me great pleasure today to acknowledge a long-time Northerner, a friend and a constituent, Mr. Ken Hunt, who is celebrating his 90th birthday today.

Ken moved to the North with the Hudson’s Bay Company in 1942 and settled in Clyde River. Ken’s last posting with the Hudson’s Bay Company was in Fort Vermillion in 1954. Ken married his late wife, Peggy, in 1947, and they moved to Hay River in 1955. Ken was employed as a fisheries officer for many years. Together, Ken and Peggy raised their four children in Hay River. Ken cherishes his 11 grandchildren and he is a great-grandfather to 12, with three of his great-grandchildren being born in Hay River.

Ken has been a proud member of the Hay River Fire Department since 1968. He is a life member of the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 250, and Ken was an avid curler for many years.

Ken’s family is hosting a birthday party for him this evening at the Hay River Fire Hall and I am sorry

that I am unable to attend and share a piece of cake with him. Colleagues, I ask you all to join me in wishing Ken all the best on his way to 100.

---Applause

Item 8, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Earlier in my Member’s statement I spoke about the frustration of the Dehcho and the frustration of the leadership in negotiating their Dehcho Process with the federal government. Also, they share frustration for our government, too, because they’ve seemingly taken sides with the federal government.

I’d like to ask Mr. Premier , will this government commit to work and support the Dehcho as they desire to move forward with their Dehcho Process? Mahsi.

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Dehcho Process has been underway for quite a number of years and the position has been put out there and discussed quite a number of times. The Government of the Northwest Territories remains committed to helping where we can with trying to come to conclusion in this area. The self-government mandate is one that is established by the federal government when they structure the frameworks. We’re involved in a number of areas when it comes to program services and some land issues.

We continue to work with the Dehcho First Nations in the areas that were at the negotiation table, but we also work with the communities involved in that process as they have their discussions as well with the federal government. Thank you.

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

In my Member’s statement I spoke about our government conferring with the federal government. I am aware that when the federal Minister of INAC seeks advice, that they often call our government. What I’d like to ask the Premier , Mr. Speaker, is when that happens, he’s going to have to acknowledge that the Dehcho are our people, our people of our Northwest Territories, as well, and that he has to show them support and not just listen to the federal side of the equation. With that, Mr. Speaker, will this government commit to this House and to the people of the Northwest

Territories that they will support the Dehcho First Nations in working for a balanced and fair Dehcho land use plan which places the highest priority on protecting watersheds and ecological sensitive areas? Mahsi.

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

I’m not sure if the Member’s trying to have me speak to establishing new mandates with the Government of the Northwest Territories. The balance that we bring to the table is the fact that there is an existing land claims self-government discussions that have happened. There are quite a number of them going on. There are models that have been agreed to in the past and past mandates established that have not been changed.

In fact, as time has evolved, that is one of the reasons why one of the departments I work with, Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations, is looking at reviewing those mandates and working with Members on those pieces. We have to come to the table looking at the, as the Member said, for the best interests of the people of the Northwest Territories and making sure we have a workable system for the people of the Northwest Territories after all the self-government tables have been discussed and concluded. At times that means we differ from different regions or communities on their initiatives.

But for the interest of all the people, we try to come to the table with a balanced approach that would mean the agreements can be implemented and that the regions and communities have the capacity to fulfill what has been negotiated.

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I guess the perception of our government that is out there, and I would just like to quote really quickly, is that when one of the participants in our leadership meeting in Fort Simpson last week said, “I don’t like the federal government, and the territorial government is right there behind them.” That’s a frustration that they are seeing with the Dehcho Process negotiations. That’s how they see our government. I’d like to ask the Premier once again, will the government change their mindset about not only helping the federal government, but it’s time to start helping the Dehcho people and the Dehcho Process?

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

The area that we’ve been involved with in a number of cases, and yes, we’ve heard that in the past, and even at some of the meetings that are held from time to time, about our position. The simple fact is this government has taken a different approach. We’re looking at the big picture. We’re looking at what the possibilities in the North can mean when we have clarity, when it comes to self-government discussions and trying to help bring those to conclusion. That’s why we’ve established the regional leaders meeting tables and in fact, through those tables have begun the joint work on the Land Use Management Plan as well as the Water Strategy, through those tables. In fact,

that is again where we shared our information around the self-government financing issue. So we’re working with the aboriginal governments across the Northwest Territories to come with a common front from a northern perspective so that we can approach the federal government so that they can see how we want it to work in the Northwest Territories. So we are working with the First Nations and aboriginal governments in the Northwest Territories to come up with a common approach when it comes to engaging the federal government.

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. That’s exactly the point I’m getting at. For this government to indicate that they’re sincere, they have to be working with the Dehcho leadership and believe in the Dehcho process as well. This government has to step up to the plate. We’re going to have to see this process begin on a fair and reasonable rate. So I’d like to ask, will this government commit to continue to increase their working relationship with the Dehcho and assist them beginning their Dehcho negotiations process?

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

We remain, the Government of the Northwest Territories remains committed to the negotiation process coming to a conclusion with the Dehcho First Nations around the Dehcho process. That’s a set of negotiations that is ongoing. There are a number of other factors that have come to the table as well. For example, ADK has now opted out and want to do their own process. Once that happens we have to decide if we engage at that level as well.

We know from past history that not all the time have the federal government negotiators had the best interest of Northerners at heart when it comes to this table, so we have to be at the tables that get established. As I stated, we are committed to the negotiations process and reaching an agreement with the Dehcho First Nations around that process. That is why there have been a number of departments involved in the Dehcho Land Use Plan and working through that avenue as well.

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Question 260-16(3): Dehcho Process

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ve received a number of calls from constituents regarding the levy on plastic bags announced earlier this session. While most agree that the levy on the bags isn’t a horrible idea, they do suggest that the 25 cent charge is a little excessive. Five

cents or 10 cents seems to be the going rate for plastic bags in other jurisdictions. Most believe the quarter is probably a little too high as a starting point. Could the Minister responsible for ENR please tell me how ENR came up with the 25 cent charge as opposed to using a rate similar to other jurisdictions like 5 cents or 10 cents?

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We looked at the range of prices, the success rate, and the final decision on the 25 cents was mine as Minister.

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Twenty-five cents seems a little excessive. It might be more appropriate when fewer people are using bags. Has the Minister ever considered using maybe a tiered implementation starting at a lower rate in the beginning and then maybe moving up to 25 cents as more people stop using the plastic bags and move more into permanent recyclable bags?

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The purpose of the levy is to be a significant enough deterrent to make people keep in mind as they’re going to go shopping the need to look at alternatives, reusable bags and such. The concern is, in other jurisdictions with the low fee they found that after a relatively short spike people just consider the five cents incidental and it does little over the long term to deter the kind of use that we’re looking at trying to do. The Member sent me an e-mail just before coming into the House with the suggestion about a tiered approach, a phased-in approach, and I’ve already sent that to the department. As we look over the next number of months, we’ll consider that option as well.

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I get the intent and actually support the intent, but there are two ways to get into a room. One is to kick the door in, smash it, go running in screaming. The other is to knock on it softly, open the door, and go in so you don’t scare everybody in the room away. I think the way the Minister’s going is the first option and I think it’s going to scare a few people. I think if we were to approach this a little bit slower and go with a tiered approach we might have more buy-in in the long run and less resistance.

I’m asking the Minister if he would commit to actually reviewing the decision and implementing more of a tiered approach so that people have a greater opportunity to become familiar and make some choices rather than being smashed over the head.

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Member for Great Slave clearly is in a violent frame of mind today. Kicking in the door, smashing people over the head. We’re talking about a 25 cent levy on a plastic bag that some Members have called the bane of our existence. At every community and everywhere I’ve been, people have been pushing us to get rid of them. Sometimes when you knock softly and you open the door a crack and see if it’s okay to come in, people might just tell you to get lost. So this is an issue whose time has come. This is a deterrent. This is a consumption levy. People don’t have to spend 25 cents.

That’s a very simple personal choice. But I will commit to the Member, like I said, he sent me the e-mail just shortly before we came into this House, and we will seriously look at that as we roll out the next number of months to get ready for the implementation in the fall.

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Question 261-16(3): Levy On Single-Use Plastic Bags

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 262-16(3): Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Justice . I spoke in my Member’s statement about the inability of someone in difficulties with their landlord if they live in transitional housing and their difficulty to have any avenue of appeal that the rental officer can’t handle that kind of complaint or concern. I’d like to know if the Minister is aware of this problem.

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Question 262-16(3): Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 262-16(3): Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. When the Member asked me earlier if there were any issues pertaining to the appeals process, at that point in time I did speak that there wasn’t any application in that respect. I haven’t heard much in that area as we speak. I can certainly double check with my department again to date on where we are on the status.

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Question 262-16(3): Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not sure whether or not the department or the Minister’s staff are aware of it, but there’s a fairly recent example within the last three months of a renter in a transitional home who had difficulties with the landlord and was unable to get satisfaction from the rental officer. He refused to deal with the problem. I would like to ask the Minister, I realize that amendments to the act are a fairly lengthy process, but I’d like to ask the Minister if he can think of or know of any other possibility that could be instituted in the short term to solve this problem.

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Yes, this process can be quite lengthy. At the same time, I’d like to hear the story behind what the Member is alluding to with this individual, what the status is on that particular case and dealing with the rental officer, because we have to go through the rental officer as well. The mediator. Certainly I would like to hear more from the Member on the status of this individual.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I thank the Minister for wanting to look into this. I can advise him that he needs to talk to the rental officer, who should be well aware of the problem because he’s the one that refused to deal with it. I appreciate that he’s willing to sort of look and see whether or not there’s anything that needs to be done.

I guess in the long term my perspective is that amendments to the act are necessary and I’d like to know if the Minister will commit to looking into making amendments to the act.

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Question 262-16(3): Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

The legislation came into play just last June. We did make some changes with the Residential Tenancies Act. We will be going through another business planning process. I’d like to inform the Member that we are open to ideas and suggestions. If there are going to be amendments to the legislation, then it needs to come before this Assembly.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 262-16(3): Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for being willing to look at it. Business plans are a long ways away. We’re looking at business plans perhaps in November and before they get accepted and passed through the House, we’re looking at least a year and a half from now. I’d like to suggest to the Minister that we certainly could make amendments to the act a lot quicker than that. So is there any possibility, in his mind, that we could get some sort of an investigation of this problem and a possible amendment in maybe six months from now?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

It hasn’t been a year yet since we’ve initiated this legislation. We’re going through the implementation stages as of yet, and here we are talking about making another amendment to the legislation. We will certainly take that into consideration and review it. As I indicated to the Member, this will be part of the ongoing business planning process. If we need to make changes, we will come back to the Assembly.

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Question 262-16(3): Tenants In Transitional Housing And Powers Of Rental Officer In Residential Tenancies Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Premier . It gets back to my Member’s statement where I was talking about the Northern Development Agency. Six months ago Prime Minister Harper announced during the election campaign that this would in fact happen. It was also mentioned in the Throne Speech in November and more recently in some discussions with federal Ministers. I’d like to ask the Premier where exactly the Government of the Northwest Territories is at when it comes to discussing the location of this Northern Development Agency office with the federal government.

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for that question because it does go towards our whole discussion about devolution of authority to the Northwest Territories. In the Member’s statement he highlighted quite a number of things. It further emphasized the fact why we need to get devolution to the North for northern governments to be making decisions about what happens in our front yard, not in Canada’s backyard. So we continue to work with the aboriginal governments and groups along with the federal government on quite a number of issues, trying to see if we can move together on that initiative.

Specifically on the area of the Northern Economic Development Agency there has been quite a number of discussions. Number one, our first role was to ensure that there was a role for the Government of the Northwest Territories. We know this Northern Development Agency is to be focused on Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and Yukon. So we want to ensure that we had a voice at the table and had some input. The other area that’s probably more important to the next steps is where is the location.

We have had a number of meetings ourselves with the federal Ministers and I’m hoping to have a discussion with Minister Strahl in the upcoming days. We’ve already started making the business case that because of our location central to the North and the economic opportunities in the Northwest Territories, that it makes absolute sense that that agency be based in the Northwest Territories.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I thank the Premier for that. I’m happy to hear that we are having these type of discussions. It’s interesting for me how we get to the front of the line and how we make the case that the Northwest Territories should be the location for this office. I’d like to ask the Premier when the

federal government is expected to make a decision on the location of the Northern Development Agency office.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

With these set of discussions that are happening I’ve been in contact with Minister Aglukkaq, who has the northern file. I’ve been in discussion with her, trying to get more information and we’ll do the same with the call I’ll be having with Minister Strahl about the timing of this and making sure that our business case is being looked at.

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I thank the Premier again for that. In some dialogue with federal Ministers in press clippings and whatnot they talk about the development of this Northern Development Agency and bringing in other aspects to northern development under one roof and all in one. In my Member’s statement I talked about this is quite specific, but 29 positions in Gatineau, Quebec, related to oil and gas in northern Canada. Those positions are located in Quebec and I’m wondering what type of discussions our government is having with the federal government to address other jobs as they relate to northern Canada.

These bureaucrats in Gatineau have never set foot in northern Canada. They belong here. I’d like to ask the Premier that question.

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

When it comes to the federal government and the work they do on behalf of Northerners, whether it’s Nunavut, Northwest Territories or Yukon, that is something that we have pursued quite a number of times and that is, again, one of those areas that falls within devolution. We went through an exercise, or the Government of the Northwest Territories went through an exercise in previous governments to identify all the positions that are in Ottawa or Gatineau to look at their involvement and the decision-making they had within the Northwest Territories, Yukon, and Nunavut.

We identified quite a number of positions and made the pitch to have those positions moved north. Unfortunately, there weren’t a lot of those that moved north. In fact, we’ve only seen minor incremental increases within the DIAND headquarters or office set up in the Territories. It’s stuff like that that keeps us making the pitch to build our business case and further involve our partners in the North, aboriginal governments to come up with a united front when it comes to the approach of the federal government.

I would say in fact that recent calls I’ve had with people like Charlie Furlong, who has talked about the need to work together and come up with a common approach when it comes to engagement with the federal government, and I couldn’t agree more.

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I couldn’t agree with the Premier more. Even though we don’t have devolution, these positions, and I spoke of 10 other positions -- a senior advisor, senior analyst positions -- that were posted recently for Gatineau, Quebec, again, these people are making decisions on behalf of Northerners in Gatineau and Ottawa. Even if we don’t have devolution, I think those positions, there’s no reason why they couldn’t be located in one of the three northern territories.

So I’d like to ask the Premier if he will sit down again with the federal government and his colleagues in Nunavut and Yukon to come up with a plan to address which jobs are located in Ottawa and Gatineau and get those jobs into one of the three northern territories or spread them out or do something. They do not belong in Gatineau, Quebec.

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

The more this session goes on the more we’re in agreement with where we need to go in our approach with the three territories, ourselves, and the First Nations within the Territories. We will continue and I will commit to working with the Premiers. I will commit to working with the regional aboriginal leadership within the Northwest Territories to coming up with an approach that makes sense and builds our business case on a common front of what we see moving to the North and engaging the federal government on that.

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Question 263-16(3): Location Of Federal Government’s Northern Development Agency Office

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of ENR . We had a briefing today from the Pembina Institute for appropriate development on the tar sands entitled, “The Waters That Bind Us: Transboundary Implications of Oil Sands Development”. We learned that the NWT has only one transboundary agreement right now and that’s with Yukon. Major developments are proposed in the headwaters of the Peel River watershed with big implications for downstream communities of Tsiigehtchic, Fort McPherson, and so on. Yet the agreement with Yukon has no teeth, even though we have it.

Northerners are obviously very concerned about this. Will the Minister commit to renegotiating that agreement and establishing some real teeth, some binding agreements in the Yukon transboundary agreement with specific targets on water quality and quantity to protect NWT watersheds and people?

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Mackenzie River Basin Transboundary Agreement was signed in 1997. We’re one of six signatories: the federal government, Saskatchewan, Alberta, B.C., Yukon, and the Northwest Territories. As well, there’s aboriginal representation. It was signed almost 12 years ago now in a different time and different place. The sensitivity about water has gone up by orders of magnitude.

We have been pushing for a full meeting on the Mackenzie River Basin Board to talk about the transboundary agreement, to talk about the bilaterals, to talk about how do we move forward with integrated watershed management. We’ve been raising the issue at the FPT table for a National Water Strategy. We have it on our list of things to do. It’s not something we can do unilaterally. It’s going to take cooperation and it’s going to take the commitment and buy-in by a lot of players, especially for us and the federal government.

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate the comments from the Minister. As I mentioned and as he is well aware, this is a very strong and emotional and meaningful issue to the people of the North. Are we also fighting for a seat at the management table for the tar sands development given that we are most vulnerable and, of course, immediately downstream from these developments? Are we fighting for a seat, a major voice in the participation of the management of the tar sands development?

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Our first and major focus of attention has been to move forward and get this Northern Voices, Northern Water Strategy developed with buy-in for the aboriginal governments that will lay out in considerable detail the principles and all the key areas and issues of where we want to focus our attention, how we intend to move forward, and what will be our policy base as we look at negotiating the bilaterals, looking at other areas we want to be involved in on a transboundary nature, as well as to be able to better guide our thinking as we look at all the resource development in the Territory. That has been our focus. We haven’t asked for a seat at any particular management table in Alberta.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I’d also like to, well, perhaps I could, Mr. Speaker, for clarification, do I only have a couple questions left here? Perhaps I could request that the Minister commit to working to establish ourselves at that management table given that these transboundary agreements will undoubtedly take many years. They’ve already taken decades. I’m sure with this Minister at the helm it’s going to take a lot shorter time than that now. But, nevertheless, we can expect it to be years. Would the Minister go for a role at the management table so that we can actually protect ourselves? These water bodies, these toxic ponds

measured from the satellites are perched right on the shore of the Athabasca and can crumble at any time.

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I would like to submit that we have through the Premier accessed at the highest level and, as myself as Minister of Environment , I also have the ability to deal directly with my counterpart in Alberta. I know the intent of the Member would be to have us sitting on a working basis at the table. For us to do that we have to do the first fundamental foundational work, which is to get that strategy in place, get the policy accepted, and then map out how we’re going to deal with transboundary issues, both through the Mackenzie River Basin Transboundary Agreement as well as a more one-on-one relationship with the Province of Alberta.

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for those comments from the Minister. I appreciate that the Premier is at the table, but I have to make the observation that here we are in this situation. If the Premier was at the table, how did this happen? I really do think we need to try to do something fairly quickly to address this. I’d like to ask the Minister, they’ve just started a review of the tar sands development at the federal level. I’m sure they’re looking for input. Will this Minister aggressively participate in that review and offer the perspectives of Northerners on what they’re feeling with the vulnerability to this development?

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I became aware of this committee that the House of Parliament is setting up. I’ve asked the Department of Environment and Natural Resources to give us a briefing note that I can take to Cabinet for consideration about looking for possible standing at the committee hearings to be able to make the case for concerns about integrated watershed management, the need for the National Water Strategy, downstream concerns, and all those very fundamental and pressing issues.

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Question 264-16(3): Transboundary Water Agreements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 265-16(3): Conflict Between Health Care And Dental Plans

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue I raised today in my Member’s statement is quite a pointillist problem. I’m not trying to distemper the system, but the fact is often the problem is created in the process. Certainly the Department of Health isn’t the issue here, but I

want to make sure the Department of Health doesn’t become the issue in the sense that it becomes timely and the process overtakes the problem. The issue right now is my constituent’s trying to get an appointment with her doctor. That doctor will need time to review the file. That will require time for consideration. That will require more time for arranging specialists. We all know here, quite clearly, that when you try to navigate the system by getting a hold of a specialist in certain time, that’s a very valuable thing when you get an appointment from the specialist.

Clearly saying that the Department of Health isn’t the issue, I just want to make sure that if my constituent hits the wall when they try to get this appointment and support from their doctor to get a referral to the specialist, will the Minister of Health and Social Services be willing to keep a watchful eye on this file to make sure that she gets the support she needs and the treatment of this tumour?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 265-16(3): Conflict Between Health Care And Dental Plans

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not sure if there has been...We do not know right now what she could be eligible for or not. Right now I think it’s important for the Member to advise the constituent to contact Inuvik office. Specifically the insured services specialist. There is a process and the staff there who can help her determine what she’s eligible for.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

That’s a hopeful answer. I’m wondering if this file can go through the Minister’s office. The fear of losing a specialists appointment in just a few weeks is a reality out there. Again, it’s not the fault...The process needs to go through its normal steps and checks and balances, but again specialist appointments are very difficult to get. Would the Minister allow the paperwork be flowed through her office on this issue?

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

As soon as we are out of the House here, because I was advised of this at noon today, I will provide the Member with all the documentation and I would encourage him to advise the constituent to contact Inuvik office. There are people there who can help them. There is a process in place and I’m sure the staff will be happy to help the constituent.

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Question 265-16(3): Conflict Between Health Care And Dental Plans

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of ECE . It’s in regard to my Member’s statement and the process that was used to do a survey that he mentioned yesterday in regards to the theme day on housing. Mr. Speaker, my constituents are asking me to request from the Ministers of Housing and ECE to go to my constituents and have public meetings and hear what the clients are saying in our communities because they weren’t aware such a survey took place.

Is the Minister willing to consider having public meetings in my constituency to basically hear directly from my constituents on the whole area of income reform and housing?

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. We did commit in this House yesterday that the Minister of the Housing Corporation and I will be dealing with this review issue within our own departments. We will continue to work with the standing committee and also with the communities. If there is an invitation to go visit the community, then we will be more than happy to go to those communities. We have to keep in mind that we can’t visit all 33 communities to deal with this particular issue, but certainly we are dealing with the regional areas. Certainly we would like to hear more from the respective Beaufort-Delta region if that is the case. Mahsi.

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, in regards to the survey that the Minister mentioned, I think that is the outcry that people are hearing. His comments were that people are happy with the services that they are receiving. In order to determine how happy they are, I would just like to know what survey was done and exactly what was the method of the survey. Was it a follow-up letter? Was it a mail out survey? Was it done by the phone? Was it done by fax? Exactly how did you determine the survey and how did you come to the conclusion that people are happy with that survey?

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, the survey that was referred to yesterday was income assistance client satisfaction survey. That was conducted by the Stats Bureau on behalf of our department. They did a mail out survey to 780 clients out there. Also, they did it by telephone, Mr. Speaker, as well as face to face in communities such as Aklavik, Behchoko, Deline, Fort Providence, Fort Simpson, Fort Smith, Paulatuk

and Tulita. Those are the communities and regions that the Bureau of Statistics conducted those interviews.

Also, Mr. Speaker, what it covers is productive choices activity, funding levels, frequency of contacts, access to other services, programs and areas for improvement. Those are the survey questions that were thrown at these clientele that we have within our departments.

I have to put on the record that I didn’t say they were happy, but there was 76.7 percent who were very satisfied or somewhat satisfied. So we are not saying that everybody is happy. There is satisfaction with our program delivery. Mahsi.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, is it possible I can get a copy of that survey to see for myself exactly how it was concluded? In regards to meetings that the Minister is going to in the communities, I know the Minister was in my riding along with Ms. Lee and also with the Beaufort leaders. This issue is top and centre every time we have these meetings. Is any of that taken into consideration when you consider the satisfaction of communities when you hear the outcry, when you go to communities, in the area of income support and housing?

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, when we talk about public housing rental subsidy, that is taken into consideration. But when I am referring to the survey, it is just the Bureau of Statistics did a survey on behalf of our department specifically pertained to those questions I raised earlier and highlighted and also teleconference and face-to-face meeting and also mail out questionnaires. What the Member is referring to is also within our department discussion to deal with those issues. The Minister of the Housing Corporation and I will certainly take those into consideration as well. Mahsi.

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to request from the Minister here now to commit himself to going to my constituency, having a public meeting and dragging along the Minister of Housing so we can have a public meeting to see exactly what the clients in my riding are saying about the income support reform and housing.

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, if we are invited by the Member, I am not going to drag my colleague along, but if he is invited, I am sure he will come along with us.

---Laughter

At the same time, Mr. Speaker, I did commit in this House I will be visiting all 33 communities during

my time here as Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and Justice . Certainly I will commit to this House that I will continue to visit those communities. Mahsi.

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Question 266-16(3): Income Assistance Client Satisfaction Survey

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson ,

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Question 267-16(3): Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today in my Member’s statement...the shortage of doctors in my riding, the visits...Is the department addressing the shortage of doctors all over the Northwest Territories, not just the Beaufort-Delta? What solutions are being implemented? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 267-16(3): Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 267-16(3): Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the entire Territories, the department and the government have been working to come to an agreement with the Medical Association. The Department of Human Resources and Health and Social Services were able to arrive at a package that would give extra incentive or remuneration for rural doctors so that our recruiters will have better tools and better packages to recruit and retain more physicians into our communities. Thank you.

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Question 267-16(3): Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

How many positions in the Northwest Territories related to medical services in small, remote communities are vacant? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I don’t have that information handy. I am aware that, following up on some of the questions that were brought up in Committee of the Whole and committees, we have just provided a number of stats and figures to the Members. Hopefully that will get to the Members as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

What policies are there when dealing with the medical conditions and regular checkups to the vulnerable and to my valuable elders and youth? Because of cases such as doctors and other staff shortages, why are we not flying them out once a month or drive them out to provide the service? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, our health system does do various things to provide access to medical services to our residents. For Beaufort-Delta, for example, they have a five week rotation where the complement of doctors in Inuvik do travel to communities. For Tuktoyaktuk, there were at

least 10 visits last year. There is supposed to be a visit at least every four to six weeks or one or two months even in the most remote communities. I understand, for Sachs Harbour, over Christmas, because of the shortage of doctors, they didn’t see one for a while. I am following up on that. We have to continue to do more to have more doctor visits. For residents who need medical service, they are medevaced out where it is necessary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 267-16(3): Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 267-16(3): Shortage Of Medical Doctors In Small Communities

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to let the Minister know I serve more than just Tuktoyaktuk. I have three other communities that need service. The health of my constituents is a priority to me, especially my elders and the people that are not getting the service. This department has to start providing services. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you. I didn’t hear a question there, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 268-16(3): Contaminated Sites In The NWT

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are to the Environment Minister , Mr. Miltenberger , in terms of the hazards and contaminated sites in the Northwest Territories. Has the Minister had an overall assessment of all the contaminated hazardous sites in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 268-16(3): Contaminated Sites In The NWT

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 268-16(3): Contaminated Sites In The NWT

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a list that exists that has been documented in conjunction with the federal government, the very many sites that there are across the Northwest Territories, which I would be happy to share with the Member. I don’t have it with me here today, but such information is available.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the offer for the sites. Can the Minister advise the House in terms of the assessments of the sites in terms of the amount of dollars it will require either ourselves or probably mostly the federal government in terms of cleaning up these sites in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 268-16(3): Contaminated Sites In The NWT

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There were estimates done. Suffice it to say it would be in the many hundreds of millions of dollars if you consider just the most immediate example closest to this facility here, which would be the Giant Mine site

which is about a $300 million price tag at this point, which is going to be much higher in the final analysis. That is just one single site. It would be in the many hu