Debates of March 1st, 1994

This is page numbers 429 - 460 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Development Of A Mortgage Investment Corporation

Difficulties With Construction In High Arctic

Difficulties Faced By Arctic Winter Games Athletes From Nunavut

Congratulating Arctic Winter Games Participants

Member's Statements On Town Of Iqaluit Municipal Advisory Committee Meeting

Federal Government Vs Elders'

Interpretation Of Treaty 11

Appreciation Of Mrs. Celine Ningark

Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

Status Of Denturist Issue

Location Of Elders' Centre In Natilikmiot

Lead Time Required For Iqaluit Municipal Election

Meeting For Reclassification Of Inukshuk Housing Cooperative

Progress On Audited Financial Statements For Iqaluit

Airline Service To Natilikmiot Region

Progress On Community Transfers To Inuvik

Charity Lease Request From Canadian Mental Health Association

Models In "the Outer Edge" Catalogue

Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

GNWT Accommodation For Those Involved In Mining Industry

Sale Of Laing Building

Reinstatement Of Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

GNWT Participation In National Strategies On Tax Reform And Deficit Reduction

Written Question 16-12(5): Public Service Positions Vacant In The Baffin Region

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Amendment To The Terms Of Reference And Appointments To The Special Joint Committee On Division

Extended Adjournment

Suspension Of European Fur Import Regulation

Item 15: Motions

Appointment Of Member To The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Charter Communities Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Partnership Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Keewatin Central , Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 32-12(5): Development Of A Mortgage Investment Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it is common knowledge that residents in the smaller communities in the Northwest Territories face a difficult situation when attempting to arrange financing from financial institutions for commercial or residential mortgages.

The housing shortage precipitated by drastic federal cutbacks in funding for social housing which my colleague, the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , has been working diligently to get reversed is made worse by the lack of mortgage financing available for people in small communities who can afford to build or buy their own homes.

I am pleased to inform the House that the Department of Economic Development and Tourism is developing a proposal to establish a mortgage investment corporation to help ease the shortage of commercial and residential...

---Applause

...mortgage financing in small communities.

A number of Members of this House have been briefed on this concept last fall and their positive response to the initial proposal was encouraging.

Madam Speaker, a mortgage investment corporation could provide home and commercial financing for residents in smaller communities in the Northwest Territories using equity capital from various sources.

For example, with initial investments totalling $40 million the corporation, using this equity as leverage, could attract up to $250 million additional investment dollars, five times the original investment.

Emphasis would be placed on small investors from a cross-section of the Northwest Territories population, but a mortgage investment corporation would be able to attract investments from other areas in Canada and attract possible future investment from southern Canada.

A mortgage investment corporation can raise funds at attractive rates from the public, and the investors can be protected through Canadian deposit insurance. Mortgages issued can be eligible for insurance by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation provided they meet the requirements.

Madam Speaker, a corporation of this nature could play a significant role in helping alleviate the housing shortage in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 32-12(5): Development Of A Mortgage Investment Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Difficulties With Construction In High Arctic

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I would like to raise a concern of my constituents regarding the home ownership program, now called the access program. This is a program that enables people to own their own homes, and is an opportunity that my constituents greatly appreciate.

There is a problem with this program and it has to do with the amount of time that the people have to complete their homes. They have two years to build their units, unfortunately it's not always possible to finish them in this time due to several factors. These factors include the northern climate. Early onset of winter and severe cold make it almost impossible to properly construct foundations and other structural components of their houses. As well, darkness limits the amount of time one has to work outside, and safety becomes a concern.

The people in my constituency who are part of this program also have jobs to go to during the day which means that they have only evenings and weekends to work on their homes.

A concern that has been expressed to me has to do with the Housing Corporation's practice of going to communities to harass those people who are behind in the construction of their houses. They threaten people with taking their homes away and giving them to someone else. This causes much worry and undue stress on these people who are trying their best to complete their homes in the specified amount of time.

Madam Speaker, the Housing Corporation needs to be more sensitive in its dealings with people involved in the home ownership program, and recognize the difficulties inherent to the High Arctic with respect to building homes. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Difficulties With Construction In High Arctic

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Difficulties Faced By Arctic Winter Games Athletes From Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am very proud of the young people from my constituency who will be participating in the Arctic Winter Games.

In dealing with Sport North, I am concerned about their lack of sensitivity with the realities in Nunavut. We had problems getting an escort for a young athlete from Sanikiluaq who is the first ever participant from that community. I would like to encourage the government to pressure Sport North to be more understanding on how to deal with people and athletes from Nunavut, and their needs. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Difficulties Faced By Arctic Winter Games Athletes From Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Congratulating Arctic Winter Games Participants

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate all of the participants who are entered into the Arctic Winter Games. And to use this time, as well, to wish them well as some of them are on their way already to Slave Lake, as I understand it, and will be gathering there at the end of this week to meet some pretty stiff competition from the Yukon and Alaska. The young people participating in these games come from every region in the territories, and almost every community. They represent all ages and they compete in all of the different challenges that will be at the Arctic Winter Games.

In spite of the differences of where they come from and the competitions they will be entered into, they all share one thing, Madam Speaker, and that's sportsmanship. They share the spirit of fair play that goes along with and makes the Arctic Winter Games what they are, truly northern. Regardless of the outcome in the numbers of medals they bring back for us, our hearts will be with them. Those of us who won't be able to be there as they compete against each other, will watch them on the television and hear them on the radio. And they will know that we are supporting them and that they'll be doing their very best.

On behalf of all the constituents of Yellowknife South, to those athletes who will be there, I wish them the best of luck.

---Applause

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Congratulating Arctic Winter Games Participants

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Member's Statements On Town Of Iqaluit Municipal Advisory Committee Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Last week I attended, as an observer, a meeting of the municipal advisory committee of the town of Iqaluit. I was very impressed with the businesslike manner with which a number of critical issues were dealt with on which decisive recommendations were made to Mr. Beaumont, the municipal administrator.

The first issue dealt with was the finances of the town. The committee reported to the public that, with the forgiveness of interest by the GNWT, the town can cover the costs of the land debenture. In fact, if the committee is able to proceed with its plans to make additional land available for construction this summer, given the high demand for land in Iqaluit, then even more revenues could be obtained to accelerate repayment of the debenture loan.

As far as the town's general financial situation is concerned, committee members reported their opinion, after studying the matter, that the town's financial situation was secure.

Other issues discussed on which recommendations were made to Mr.

Beaumont were evaluation of management staff; reinstating a contract to develop a town general plan, which was inexplicably cancelled when the council was dissolved; the need to hire a lands officer with continued financial assistance to be sought from the Minister of MACA; the need to get a report from the GNWT lands division on available commercial and residential lots which would then lead to a ballot draw by March 31; recommended process to hire a new senior administrative officer; the appropriate composition of the town's collective bargaining committee; the satisfactory status of the coming year's social services funding agreement; and, the most effective uses for the funds allocated for capital improvements for recreational facilities for Iqaluit in the coming fiscal year.

The most important discussion concerned the need for an early election. Members of the advisory committee are doing their best but realize they are only an appointed body. They are as anxious as anyone to see an elected council in place. Important decisions are being made this year concerning the implementation of land claims and the planning for the new Nunavut government which will affect the community for many years to come. The Queen of England is making a return visit to Iqaluit this summer. The advisory committee would like to see an election held before the end of the school year. They have my full support in this request.

Later on, Madam Speaker, I will be beseeching the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs to restore democracy in Iqaluit as soon as possible.

---Applause

Thank you. Qujannamiik.

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Member's Statements On Town Of Iqaluit Municipal Advisory Committee Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Federal Government Vs Elders'

Interpretation Of Treaty 11

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today to thank the Deh Cho Tribal Council for the very informative presentation they gave to Members of the House on February 17, 1994. I think this presentation gave some Members, both from the east and west, a better understanding of some of the positions taken by Dene leaders in the Treaty 11 area. It is important, Madam Speaker, for everyone to remember that this was a peace treaty. There was no war. It was purely and simply a peace treaty.

We ask that people do not give up any of their rights to the land or their way of life. Madam Speaker, the major problem with this and other treaties that were negotiated between Canada and the aboriginal nations was the difference between what was promised verbally to the chiefs and what actually came to be put on paper. Madam Speaker, for years Pat Buggins of my constituency has been telling me that the documents that exist refutes the context of Treaty 11. The former catholic bishop of the Mackenzie, Bishop Gabriel Breynet, wrote down the entire statement in 1937.

The actual wording of Treaty 11 differs greatly from what Bishop Breynet translated and others took to be promised by the government in 1921.

These verbal agreements and promises were, and as far as we are concerned, part of the parcel of the written provision of Treaty 11. It must be interpreted as such. Madam Speaker, maybe this is why aboriginal people are getting much better with the paperwork. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Appreciation Of Mrs. Celine Ningark

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to express my appreciation to a person who has helped me out. When I was running as a candidate, she provided me with money for airfares and when I got elected she used to try to get money for my airfares, as well. Maybe I would not have been able to be here if she hadn't helped me out with my campaign. I would like to thank my friend and my wife, Celine, who is arriving today. She helped me out quite a bit. She was going to arrive earlier but she couldn't make it because of our children. She is arriving today so I might not be able to attend the remainder of the meetings.

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Appreciation Of Mrs. Celine Ningark

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today, Madam Speaker, I want to talk about taxation, specifically about the home owners' property tax rebate. In the early 1980s, the former Minister of MACA, James Wah-Shee, brought in the home owners' property tax rebate. It was the first time the Government of the Northwest Territories very vocally and very strongly supported home ownership. That was the beginning of a long-standing commitment of this government towards home ownership. In those days, municipal taxation in Yellowknife was somewhere between $1,000 and $2,000 for average taxation and so $400 was a very considerable percentage of that.

Well, that amount has eroded over the years and the taxation level has doubled. The actual impact of that $400 has halved over that period of time. I found it actually quite incredible last year that the government spent probably one third of their time in oral questions responding to questions about staff housing and supporting the concept of home ownership, yet last year they cut the rebate from $400 to $300.

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Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

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Some Hon. Members

Shame.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

I find it extremely inconsistent. They also cut the general taxation area from $100 to $75.

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Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

I hope that the new Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs will demonstrate his strength, his independence and his commitment to home owners in the Northwest Territories...

---Applause

...and will bring forward in the next session a supp that will re-establish the home owner grants to the previous level. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 227-12(5): Status Of Denturist Issue

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Health . An issue that has come up in this House on a number of occasions by the Members as well as myself deals with the Dental Mechanics Act. The Minister is well aware of the concerns that have been expressed over the fact that there is a denturist, and Members are seeking some changes to legislation that would allow this type of service to be offered in the territories. There have been many meetings taking place. I would like to ask what the status is of that issue from the Department of Health's perspective?

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Question 227-12(5): Status Of Denturist Issue

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Health , Mr. Pollard .

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Question 227-12(5): Status Of Denturist Issue

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good afternoon. Madam Speaker, the status is there is a legislative proposal being drafted by the Department of Health at the

present time. That will come to Cabinet. I don't believe there is going to be a problem in getting it through Cabinet. Then we will draft the legislation and it will be brought to this House. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 228-12(5): Location Of Elders' Centre In Natilikmiot

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Social Services . As she knows, the elders in Gjoa Haven have been asking for a facility for an elders' centre. The elders have been supporting us. Without their help we would have never survived. We don't like to see them travelling to another community or city to be in an elders' centre. We would like to see them remain in the community.

Taloyoak is asking for an elders' centre also. If a facility is built, I wonder in which community it will be built, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 228-12(5): Location Of Elders' Centre In Natilikmiot

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Question 228-12(5): Location Of Elders' Centre In Natilikmiot

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. As we have indicated before, we are undergoing a series of planning for the department, one of which is capital planning for all facilities such as group homes and elders' facilities. The plan should be in place by September 1994. The criteria for facilities such as these should allow the communities who request these facilities to determine whether they are eligible. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 228-12(5): Location Of Elders' Centre In Natilikmiot

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 229-12(5): Lead Time Required For Iqaluit Municipal Election

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Could the Minister tell the House how much lead time would be required in order to hold a municipal election in the town of Iqaluit? Thank you.

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Question 229-12(5): Lead Time Required For Iqaluit Municipal Election

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Question 229-12(5): Lead Time Required For Iqaluit Municipal Election

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe the amount of time required for a municipal election to be called would be upon the appointment of a returning officer, which is two months before the election. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Question 229-12(5): Lead Time Required For Iqaluit Municipal Election

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 432

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I take it, Madam Speaker, that even allowing up to one week to do the municipal evaluation that the Minister has indicated might be required before an election could be held, if a decision were made by the Minister some time this month, an election could be held in Iqaluit by May or June. Then there would be enough time for the legal requirements to be met. Is that correct, Madam Speaker? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 432

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. From the indications I have received, yes. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 230-12(5): Meeting For Reclassification Of Inukshuk Housing Cooperative

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 432

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. The issue I raised last week in a Member's statement concerns the error in the classification of the Inukshuk Housing Cooperative some years ago. The Minister assured me there would be a tripartite meeting taking place between the city, the co-op and officials from his department. Yesterday, the DM also reaffirmed that that meeting would take place. Could the Minister advise me as to when this meeting will take place?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 432

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I had indicated to the Member last week that my staff would be in touch with the two parties involved and would arrange for meetings with them. I have not been informed as to when these meetings would take place. I know they will be taking place. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 432

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This issue is of great concern to the cooperative and people on the executive want to have it dealt with. Members of the city want to deal with this as well. My fear is if it is dragged on and on, the meeting will not take place until after this House has adjourned and we don't reconvene until the fall. That would

not be good, Madam Speaker. I would like to have the Minister's assurance that this meeting will take place in the very near future. Can I get that assurance?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the department had indicated to me yesterday that they have been in contact with the city and will be in contact with the Inukshuk Housing Cooperative. They should have their meeting together in a short while. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 231-12(5): Progress On Audited Financial Statements For Iqaluit

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, again to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Madam Speaker, the Minister may know that I was assured by his predecessor that an audit statement of the financial affairs of the town of Iqaluit for 1993 would be undertaken as a priority following the dissolution of the town council. Could the Minister advise me what progress has been made toward obtaining audited financial statements for 1993 for the town of Iqaluit? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I understand that the commitment which was made by the previous Minister was that the financial audit would be completed, and I sympathize with the Member and the people in Iqaluit in the need for an elected body to be in place at the earliest possible time. The indications that I have received are that an audit would require approximately 120 days, and at this point, for the financial status of Iqaluit to the calendar year ending December 31, 1993, we are hopeful that those should be completed by the first part of April.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 232-12(5): Airline Service To Natilikmiot Region

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the honourable Minister of Transportation . Madam Speaker, First Air is the only air carrier that goes to my area -- Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak. People in that area are saying that a lot of the freight is being left behind in Cambridge Bay, for some reason I don't know. I am not able to speculate what reason they have for not being able to bring all the freight into my area. Even a medical patient who goes to Yellowknife for treatment is not, at times, able to get on the flight because of some other reason.

I would like to know, Madam Speaker, if the honourable Minister of Transportation is aware of other airlines planning to have a regular sched into that area -- Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak -- some time soon. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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Page 433

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is a never-ending problem right across the territories, the need for adequate transportation, particularly by air, and the airline companies, of course, require a certain volume to be able to increase the level of service they can provide. I am not aware, at this time, that there are any other applications or any other companies interested in actively seeking the routing in the honourable Member's riding, but I will look into it and get back to him. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 233-12(5): Progress On Community Transfers To Inuvik

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs . Over the past several years, there has been a lot of discussion and work on community transfer initiatives. Just recently, the community transfer working group from Inuvik was here in Yellowknife meeting with several officials. Can the Minister advise me of the progress made in his discussions on community transfers in Inuvik? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

The Speaker

Thank you. Minister responsible for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 433

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The community of Inuvik has taken a tremendous step forward in overcoming obstacles of a rather diverse community by seeing the leaders of the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in and the town of Inuvik agree to work together to look at community transfer initiatives. That alone is, in my view, an unprecedented move by a community as diverse as Inuvik.

Having said that, the group is on the verge of signing a transfer agreement that would cover, at least, the eventual transfer in three areas. One would be in the area of an economic development officer position which would be assigned to Inuvik, and they are waiting for final decisions to be made by Cabinet in the next week or two, and that looks very favourable. The group had been prepared to sign a framework MOU had that been decided. However, because Cabinet has yet to make a decision on it, they have decided not to sign the agreement.

The agreement would also cover the area of lotteries, where the community would be given the responsibility for running lotteries, and I think they are just finalizing details on how the money will be used and for what purposes. They are finalizing details on that.

The other area is not as urgent. It is in the area of capital planning. We are agreeing to work with the community and the three groups to decide how to set up a process that would see capital projects being priorized and how that would be handled, particularly, where they are of a local nature, but we would also venture into discussing with them how to handle projects that are considered to be of a regional nature. So, that will be finalized, probably in the next two months.

The one most immediate would be the EDO position, and the lottery issue and finally the one on capital planning. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 434

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I am glad to hear that significant progress is being made but they are still, I guess, waiting for the moment to sign the formal documents.

The concern that has been raised to me is that the Minister is very enthused, and I assume his other Cabinet colleagues are as enthused as him, on the whole community transfer initiative process. But, the concern is, when we deal with officers in the departments, they don't seem to be as enthused as the honourable Ministers. What is the Minister doing to ensure that that enthusiasm he has in making this thing work is transferred down to the staff and the officers who deal at the program level within the various departments?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 434

The Speaker

Thank you. Minister responsible for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 434

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, all decisions and issues that we deal with eventually make their way through the departments, and part of our job is to make sure that all staff within the government are aware of the intent of this government, this Cabinet, to do everything we can to expedite the transfer of those areas that the communities specifically request. But, also, we expect staff to alert us to areas where there are going to be implications for government, whether they are legal or financial. If there is going to be some impact, then we expect our staff to alert us to those.

So, it is a dual expectation we have of staff, and I think sometimes we do find that some staff come across looking like they are not as supportive as they could be. It is my view that the political will is there, the political will is very strong, and we have to take a positive approach to dealing with staff and making sure that they come across in the same light. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 234-12(5): Charity Lease Request From Canadian Mental Health Association

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 434

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Social Services . Madam Speaker, presently the Canadian Mental Health Association is the beneficiary of a charity lease, courtesy of this government. This form of grant has greatly assisted the Canadian Mental Health Association to perform their important voluntary services. Unfortunately, the CMHA has been advised that the charity lease will end at the end of this month so they have applied to Social Services for funding assistance to allow them to locate new leased quarters. I was wondering, Madam Speaker, if the Minister could advise us of the status of consideration of their request for lease funding?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 434

The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Page 434

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am prepared to agree to provide the additional funding requested by the association to cover the costs for the office lease. Thank you.

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Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 235-12(5): Models In "the Outer Edge" Catalogue

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 434

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is a question for the Minister responsible for the NWT Development Corporation. Madam Speaker, we have some lovely, glossy brochures on our desk today commemorating an event that was held to showcase the beautiful northern clothing which has been produced for the Arctic Winter Games. We're all very proud of that. However, I must say I was a little disappointed to note that none of the people from the communities of Baker Lake, Rankin Inlet and Pangnirtung were featured in any of this rather impressive looking advertising or in the fashion show.

My question to the Minister is could he explain to me why some of the residents from Baker Lake, Rankin Inlet and Pangnirtung who also participated in the production of this clothing were not featured in the brochures or in the fashion show? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 434

The Speaker

Minister of Economic Development , Mr. Todd .

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Page 434

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think it is also important to point out that some of the communities in the west weren't represented either, Rae and places like that. I don't know the reason for it, quite frankly, Madam Speaker. I'm equally as disappointed as the honourable Member is but I'm certainly prepared to look into it. I think the presentation perhaps should have been more reflective of all the interests in the Northwest Territories. I'll look into it. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 236-12(5): Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 435

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. My question has to do with the home owners' tax rebate. My first question to the Minister is, does the Minister and his department continue to consider the encouragement of home ownership as a primary goal of his department and of government?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is something that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is trying to do, to encourage home ownership in the communities, yes.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, long-needed initiatives have been undertaken by this government, such as the sale of staff housing and the rental rate review. Would the Minister agree that his department must support his Cabinet colleagues in achieving their goals by strongly encouraging home ownership in the Northwest Territories?

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Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think that I should also point out before I respond to the question that there were two parts to the goals that were set by the department, the first of which the honourable Member has mentioned, which is to encourage home ownership. The second goal was to encourage home owners to pay for their taxes on time so that the tax-based municipalities would not run into cash flow problems. To the question, I would like to answer by saying that I do support the home ownership rebate program. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Minister is, I'm sure, aware that the sum of money involved here is probably only about $350,000 which is a relatively small sum of money when you look at the impact that this sort of program has had on home ownership in the Northwest Territories. My question to the Minister is, can we expect the Minister to come forward with a supp in the fall session that restores the home ownership rebate to its previous level?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wasn't a Member of the Cabinet at the time that the reduction was made by the government, but it was a reduction made in an effort to cut down costs of this government. I think it is regrettable that we had to come to that, to cut down in an area that people of the Northwest Territories have to bear. But, I think that, due to the restraint that we are experiencing today, it would be difficult to try to justify such an appropriation. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

If the Minister of Finance does his job, all Ministers are discouraged from coming forward with expenditures of funds. I think it is the responsibility of individual Members to priorize in their departments and make a strong case. So, rather than have the Minister presuppose the decision of the FMB and the Finance Minister , I will ask again, will the Minister take forward to the Financial Management Board a proposal to restore the rates to their previous level? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to say that I sympathize with the Member pushing so strongly for such an appropriation to be made, but I would not support such a case. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 237-12(5): GNWT Accommodation For Those Involved In Mining Industry

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is also about housing, but not about home ownership. My question to the Minister of Economic Development , is this. We have a number of people in the mining industry who are now appearing in larger numbers than ever in this city. There is, apparently, an accommodation shortage, surprisingly enough. I would like to ask the Minister, have the representatives of the

mining industry been in touch with him with regard to maybe using government-owned accommodation in order to accommodate people who are involved in mining exploration in this area?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That is a good question. There have been some discussions going on with respect to finding ways and means to encourage the mining industry and, in particular, this large diamond find out there, to relocate into the Northwest Territories and utilize our services, so it would not be a fly-in and fly-out type of operation.

One of the areas of concern with the mining industry is what they perceive as the high cost of housing. I have had some discussion, along with other Ministers, with the industry in respect to the potential and possible utilization of some government surplus apartments and housing, yes.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I realize he doesn't have responsibility for housing, but this is a major economic activity. Has the Minister been able to determine the number of units that could be made available in order to support this industry?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We are currently working on that at the present time. There is an overall assessment being done anyway with respect to the selling off of government housing, whether it is here or in the east. I want to make it clear that I am sympathetic and supportive of this initiative. I hope that we will be able to identify some surplus housing and I hope we will be able to make a deal with the mining industry, given everything being equal.

It will bring significant economic benefits not just to Yellowknife, but across the territories, in corporate spending, income tax, consumer purchasing, et cetera. The housing is one package of encouragement we are putting on the table, but there are a variety of others, as well. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am very pleased to hear the Minister is sympathetic and that there has been some contact. Since this would have to be a Cabinet decision and he would have to have support from his Cabinet colleagues, has this issue been raised at the Cabinet level so other Members can react to it?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

No, there have only been preliminary discussions with some of the mining industry. I haven't prepared a paper to present to Cabinet and seek their counsel. I was merely stating my position as the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources and Economic Development and Tourism.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Since this is something which he would have to have other Members of Cabinet onside, would he be prepared to undertake this initiative to present to his Cabinet colleagues a proposal to make government accommodations in this city available for this major initiative in the mining industry?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I think it is important to stress that housing is only one part of the package if we are going to make the assumption that some of this industry is going to move forward, particularly the diamond initiative. While we are looking at the potential of providing an incentive through housing, there is also the taxation question and a variety of other issues that have to be addressed.

I am moving forward in trying to determine with the industry what kind of incentives they would require to relocate their offices and to move the people in and out from a community like Yellowknife, similar to what Colomac is currently doing out of Hay River. It is my belief that we will be able to demonstrate to the House and my colleagues that there are significant fiscal benefits to the Northwest Territories if we can encourage and provide the right incentives for industry to relocate into the north. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question directed to the Minister of Public Works and Services . Lately we have been hearing a lot in the House about privatization of government services and the selling off of assets. We currently own the Laing Building. I would like to ask the Minister whether the Laing Building, which has been the home of this government for a good many years, is up for sale?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Right now we are doing an assessment of all assets owned by the GNWT in Yellowknife. We haven't done an assessment of the cost through the realtors yet because it is far too expensive. Once we decide on what buildings could be sold, then we would have an assessment done and offer them for sale. But, at the present time, as far as I know, the Laing Building is not for sale.

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. Is the Minister's department contemplating selling it? I know they are doing an assessment on it. Is this assessment based on the fact that they are thinking about selling something that we own outright and use?

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Don Morin

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have been directed by Cabinet to make a list of all assets in Yellowknife that the Government of the NWT owns. Once Cabinet has an opportunity to take time to look at that list, they will make a decision on what assets could be sold, we will have an appraisal done on those assets, then they will be offered up for sale. At the present time, as the Minister of Public Works and Services , I do not know that the Laing Building is up for sale to anyone. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. Why are we reviewing all of these assets in the city of Yellowknife in order that we can divest ourselves from them? What is happening that is so important to inventory and put these things up on the auction block?

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. In case the Member is not aware, the government is going through financial difficulty and we have to look at our assets to find out how much they are worth. So if we did sell anything, we would know how much we would get. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of MACA. The Minister has stated his opinion unequivocally that prior to reviewing all of the possibilities in the departmental budget, he will not put forward support to reinstate the rebate to its previous levels. Because the Minister opened up this line of questioning, I have a question for the Minister. We are talking about $350,000. Could the Minister please tell me how he is convinced, without reviewing his budget, that there is no place in a $100 million budget with 155 PYs that he can find something less important than a program that puts money into every community in the Northwest Territories?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to indicate, first of all, I am in support of the home ownership program. I think most Members in this House believe that is the route to take at these times. However, I also believe that in a time of restraint, if there is going to be $350,000, or some such amount, which becomes available to the government, it should be used where it is needed most. I think that this Legislative Assembly has indicated that the housing situation we have in the Northwest Territories at the present time is our first priority.

I, as a Member of this Assembly, had agreed that was the first priority of this Assembly. If there is something that I am able to contribute to, if it would not be housing, then it would be education. I believe education should be the first priority of this government. I believe that is where funds should go if funds were to become available. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I've never seen funds just suddenly become available, somebody has to make them available. I'm happy to hear that the Minister is offering up great gobs of his department to the Department of Education and to the Housing Corporation, and I'm sure the Ministers will thank him very much for that sacrifice. But with what he has left after his generosity, I still maintain that he could find $350,000 from what's left over after he's given away whatever he generously will give to the Housing Corporation and the Department of Education.

Will the Minister evaluate his programs to see if he can find some lower priorities that he could replace with the rebate program? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think the Member has misunderstood what I was trying to indicate. I did not say that there will be $350,000 that will just come from the department. I agree that $350,000 would have to be fought for on my part. I think that any funds that would be disbursed by the department for $350,000, again, should be used toward something better. I think the benefits that would be received by such an increase would be from communities which are have-communities, and not necessarily a benefit to the have-not communities which I represent. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I remind the Minister that he represents all communities as Minister of MACA. I'm speaking to him as Minister of MACA and he should wear that hat when he's answering oral questions. Madam Speaker, the Minister is being quite evasive. I will ask the Minister then something more specific. If the Minister can't think of an alternative, perhaps I could help him out with an alternative. Rather than not putting this program to its original level, he could look at cutting three PYs by attrition. The choice will be three PYs or giving a rebate to hundreds of home owners throughout the territories from coast to coast to coast.

---Laughter

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think I understand where the Minister is coming from.

---Laughter

But if I'm not correct, he could correct me, I'm sure. If we were to cut three positions and save $350,000, I would like to see the three positions transferred to a smaller community which would require them, where communities have high unemployment, if that were to be the case. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Now, I can see the Minister is going to do a number of things. He is going to give half his budget to Education and Housing. He wants to give another part of his budget to smaller communities. He has a very ambitious task ahead of him. What I'll ask is -- and I'll ask one more time -- will the Minister, as he's reviewing his budget in the coming year, listen to the advice of the Standing Committee on Finance this year and the Standing Committee on Finance last year and review whether or not this program does indeed have the beneficial impact that I claim it does and give it due and fair consideration? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Madam Speaker, I have indicated my position. In answer to the questions that the honourable Member has raised, I will give it consideration. But, with the information I have before me, I don't know whether such a decision would be positive. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 240-12(5): GNWT Participation In National Strategies On Tax Reform And Deficit Reduction

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 438

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Finance about a meeting he attended, I believe, with the Premier , of the First Ministers just before Christmas. I understand at that meeting, according to the Prime Minister, there were agreements reached on two critical areas, a national strategy on tax reform and a national strategy on deficit reduction. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance , will the Northwest Territories be part of these national strategies that the Prime Minister described following the meeting? Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I wasn't at the First Ministers' Conference. It may have been perceived that I was there, but I wasn't there. I should say, though, that because the Premier sits at the table with the rest of the provincial Premiers, the Prime Minister and the government leader of the Yukon, when they make agreements around that table, they do it as equals. Because of that reason, we will be participating in the two initiatives that Mr. Patterson has raised, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I wonder if the Minister of Finance , since these both are finance matters, could give this House some indication what will be emerging as a result of what I understand, was an agreement in principle reached at the First Ministers conference. What can we expect might change as these initiatives are pursued?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, with regard to the national deficit reduction program, I think what the federal government is looking for, through Paul Martin, is closer ties with provinces and territories, a greater understanding of the difficulties in the different parts of Canada, and I think, through consultation, through cooperating with each other, there is a hope that we can deal with the whole of the national debt which includes not only the federal government's debt but also the provincial debt, as well. So, I think we are already working towards that through Finance Ministers' meetings where we discuss, back and forth, different aspects of financing across the country, the economy, et cetera.

With regard to the national tax reform initiative, the same sort of thing will apply, although I can see that this is going to be a much more detailed issue simply because we almost get into the area of overlap and duplication which the Honourable Minister Mass? is handling at the present time. So, I think the national tax reform initiative is probably going to be more difficult to overcome than agreeing on the fact that we are in debt and we need to do something about it.

As these two initiatives move along, Madam Speaker, I will be glad to update the House. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Item 6, written questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Written Question 16-12(5): Public Service Positions Vacant In The Baffin Region

Item 6: Written Questions

Page 439

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a written question to the Minister of Personnel . Would the Minister responsible for the Department of Personnel please provide the following information to this House:

1. A list of public service positions which are presently vacant in the Baffin region and which have been vacant for more than three months; and,

2. A list of those positions now vacant for more than three months which have been unfilled primarily due to the unavailability of staff housing.

Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yesterday, under this item on the order paper, I reported to the House that certain bills had been reviewed by the Standing Committee on Legislation and were ready for committee of the whole. Our rules, Madam Speaker, require that there be two sitting days pass before the bills reported can be considered in committee of the whole. Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to dispense with rule 70(5) and have Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Charter Communities Act ; Bill 5,

An Act to Amend the Partnership Act ; Bill 6,

An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act ; and Bill 7, Personal Property Security Act , moved into committee of the whole for today.

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The Speaker

Thank you. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan , is requesting unanimous consent to waive rule 70-5 to permit Bills 2 , 5 , 6 and 7 moved into committee of the whole for today. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Unanimous consent has been given, therefore, Bills 2 , 5 , 6 and 7 are ordered into committee of the whole for today. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 12, tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Motion 17-12(5): Amendment To The Terms Of Reference And Appointments To The Special Joint Committee On Division

Item 13: Notices Of Motions

Page 439

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I give notice that, on Thursday, March 3, 1994, I will move the following motion:

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Natilikmiot , that the terms of reference for the special joint committee be amended to allow for ten alternate Members, comprised of four ordinary Members and six Ministers;

And further that, notwithstanding rule 88(2), that the following Members be appointed to the Special Joint Committee on Division:

as permanent Members: Mr. Allooloo , Member for Amittuq ; Mr. Patterson , Member for Iqaluit ; Mr. Ng , Member for Kitikmeot ; Mr. Antoine , Member for Nahendeh ; Mr. Ballantyne , Member for Yellowknife North ; Mr. Koe , Member for Inuvik ; Hon. John Pollard , Member for Hay River ; Hon. John Todd , Member for Keewatin Central ; and,

as alternate Members: Mr. Arvaluk , Member for Aivilik ; Mr. Pudluk , Member for High Arctic ; Mr. Gargan , Member for Deh Cho ; Mr. Zoe , Member for North Slave ; Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Member for Kivallivik ; Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Member for Nunakput ; Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Member for Sahtu ; Hon. Rebecca Mike , Member for Baffin Central ; Hon. Don Morin , Member for Tu Nedhe ; and, Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Member for Mackenzie Delta .

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Thank you. Item 13, notices of motions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Motion 18-12(5): Extended Adjournment

Item 13: Notices Of Motions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I give notice that, on Thursday, March 3, 1994, I will move the following motion:

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River , that when this House adjourns on Friday, March 4, 1994, it shall be adjourned until Monday, March 14, 1994;

And further, that any time prior to March 14, 1994, if the Speaker is satisfied, after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time.

Mahsi.

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Thank you. Item 13, notices of motions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Motion 19-12(5): Suspension Of European Fur Import Regulation

Item 13: Notices Of Motions

Page 440

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I give notice that, on Thursday, March 3, 1994, I will move the following motion:

And further, that the Minister of Renewable Resources request the federal Minister of the En