Debates of Feb. 28th, 1994

This is page numbers 399 - 427 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers Absent From The House

Aboriginal Achievement Awards

1994 Arctic Winter Games Clothing

Telephone Services For Everyone

The Absence Of Minister Of Education, Culture And Employment

Member's Statement Re Resolutions From Kitikmeot Inuit Association's Agm

Member's Statement Re Documentary "a Place Called Dixie"

Success Of Cnib Third Annual Bachelor Auction

Reinventing Parliament Conference

Success Of Pauktuutit's Tenth Annual General Meeting

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Delegated Authority In The Premier's Absence

Completion Date Of Fire Fighting Negotiations

Development Of Treatment Facilities For Youth

Selection Process For Senior Men's Hockey Team

Agreement With Royal Alexandra Hospital

Evaluation Of Food Allowances For Social Assistance Clients

Legislative Changes Re Family Law Review

Written Question 14-12(5): Rates For Hospitalization Outside Of Canada

Written Question 15-12(5): Negotiations On Fire Training Programs And Standards

Item 9: Petitions

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Appointment Of Member To The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Bill 13: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 26

To Adopt Recommendation 27

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Minister's Statement 28-12(5): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, the Premier will be absent from the House today and part of tomorrow to attend the aboriginal achievement awards in Toronto.

The Honourable Richard Nerysoo will be absent from the House today to attend a Council of Ministers of Education meeting and tomorrow to attend a meeting of Labour Market Ministers in Toronto.

The Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House today on personal business.

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Minister's Statement 28-12(5): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Minister's statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 29-12(5): Aboriginal Achievement Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, a special ceremony will be held in Ottawa tonight to honour 12 Canadians chosen to receive a national aboriginal achievement award. Premier Cournoyea, along with five other northerners, will be receiving an award. Other northern recipients are Rosemarie Kuptana, Bill Lyall, Cindy Kenny-Gilday and Susan Aglukark.

The concept of a national aboriginal achievement award was initiated by the Canadian Native Arts Foundation last year to honour the outstanding achievements of aboriginal people. A ceremony to present the awards will be held in the National Arts Centre. I understand the event will be packaged by the CBC into a 60 minute television special to be broadcast nationally on March 3.

Madam Speaker, I'm sure Members will want to join me in congratulating the award winners.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 29-12(5): Aboriginal Achievement Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Minister's Statement 30-12(5): 1994 Arctic Winter Games Clothing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to remind Members that a ceremony for the official unveiling of the team NWT Arctic Winter Games clothing will take place tomorrow at 12:00 noon in the lobby of the Legislative Assembly. All Members are welcome to attend and join me in showing appreciation for the fine work produced by several of our Northwest Territories clothing manufacturers.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 30-12(5): 1994 Arctic Winter Games Clothing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 31-12(5): Telephone Services For Everyone

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Recently there was an announcement about a new communications system for schools. It said that all NWT schools would be able to use computers to send messages to each other. This announcement reminded me again of the problems of those seven communities without phone services. Schools in those communities can't use this latest technology.

When the CRTC held hearings last summer, I spoke about the great need for full telephone services in all NWT communities. Mr. Kakfwi also spoke at those hearings on behalf of people in Colville Lake.

As I reported to you by letter, the CRTC's decision in December requires NorthwesTel to file a plan for providing full services in the unserved communities. This plan is due by June 20. In January, I wrote to the president of NorthwesTel. I said that we looked forward to their renewed efforts to extend services to all communities as soon as possible. It is important for us to keep this issue in front of the public. I will continue to encourage NorthwesTel to fulfil their commitments.

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Minister's Statement 31-12(5): Telephone Services For Everyone

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Member's statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent .

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The Absence Of Minister Of Education, Culture And Employment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today on behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus to express concern to the government over the actions of the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Madam Speaker, last Thursday and Friday in this House we discussed the budget of Education, Culture and Employment and we were under the impression on Friday that Mr. Nerysoo would be here on Monday. As a result, we left that department in the middle of the review. Actually, we had only started general comments.

Madam Speaker, we only learned this morning that Minister Nerysoo would be away for part of this week. Now in committee of the whole we are faced with the decision as to whether to proceed with the departmental review of that budget or to stand the budget down.

Madam Speaker, our understanding is that the Council of Ministers of Education meeting and the Labour Market Ministers meeting in Toronto were not planned at the last minute. The Minister should have been aware of the fact that these meetings were on.

During the mid-term review, it was pointed out to the Minister in the ordinary Members' report card, that Members particularly felt that Mr. Nerysoo needed to make more of an effort to "treat Members with respect." Madam Speaker, leaving in the middle of the budget process without advising this House that he was about to do so or advising Members that he was going to have to be away before we started consideration of his budget, we don't think, shows respect for the Members or the process.

Madam Speaker, we are concerned that this demonstrates, once again, an example of his cavalier attitude that we commented on following the mid-term review. We would hope, Madam Speaker, that the government will, in future, make sure that Members of this House are advised when Ministers will not be present so that we can plan properly to deal with their budgets in committee of the whole without having to go through the process of standing departments down and skipping around. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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The Absence Of Minister Of Education, Culture And Employment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Member's Statement Re Resolutions From Kitikmeot Inuit Association's Agm

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. During the week of February 14-18, the Kitikmeot Inuit Association held their 1993-94 annual general meeting in Cambridge Bay. There were a total of over 40 delegates representing all hamlet councils, all hunters' and trappers' associations in Kitikmeot, the Arctic Cooperatives Limited, the Kitikmeot Regional Council, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, Inuit Tapirisat of Canada and, of course, all the executive and directors of the Kitikmeot Inuit Association.

During the annual general meeting, delegates had presentations from Metall Canada, Northern Transportation Company Ltd, community economic development organizations, Echo Bay Mines, Canadian Coastguard, NTI, KRC and the honourable Member for Natilikmiot and I, as MLAs for the region. The honourable Don Morin , Minister of Public Works and Services and the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , also answered questions for many of the delegates. On behalf of KIA, I thank him for taking up the invitation to attend the annual general meeting and dealing directly with the concerns of the delegates.

Madam Speaker, the delegates of the annual general meeting passed 12 resolutions, of which eight resolutions dealt with non-internal matters which affect the majority of residents in Kitikmeot.

These resolutions included cooperative sectoral funding for community economic development organizations, a code of conduct for Kitikmeot leaders, lowering the cost of gasoline and heating oil prices in the region, NTCL employment training programs for the Kitikmeot, holding a Kitikmeot leadership conference, reaffirmation of support to establish credit unions, the improvement from DIAND of funds and program delivery levels to CEDOs through the CAEDS strategy, and restoration of federal funding for social housing.

Madam Speaker, the ever-increasing importance of the Kitikmeot Inuit Association is evident from the large turn-out of delegates attending and making presentations at the conference. Members of the KIA are to be commended for their hard work and the resulting success of their 1993-94 annual general meeting. Thank you.

---Applause

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Member's Statement Re Resolutions From Kitikmeot Inuit Association's Agm

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Re Documentary "a Place Called Dixie"

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On November 3, 1993, I watched a documentary on CBC which disturbed me. The title of the documentary was A Place Called Dixie. The whole purpose of this documentary were Canadian immigration laws and the situation in Somalia. The title of the documentary refers to an apartment building. Madam Speaker, in recent years, the Dixie apartments have had an influx of Somalian refugees moving into the building. These people, due to economic conditions, crowded more than one family into an apartment.

Madam Speaker, this led to concerns on the part of the landlord and other tenants about the conditions of overcrowding in the building. The tenants say that their opposition to the Somalians in the building is built on the issue of safety, the number of people in an apartment and that rent should be charged on the basis of how many people are living in the apartments. Although the people interviewed said that their opposition was not racially motivated, Madam Speaker, I believe that their opposition was partly motivated by racial intolerance.

The major problem I had with the entire documentary was with a Somalian girl who made the following statement: "Canada is a multicultural country. Nobody owns it." This implies, Madam Speaker, that the country had no history before immigration from Europe began. This is an injustice to all aboriginal people in Canada. What must be done, Madam Speaker, is an education program for new immigrants to Canada. They must be made aware of the rich history of Canada before the Europeans. Just as they are encouraged to maintain their culture in Canada, so should they be made aware of Canada's original people. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Member's Statement Re Documentary "a Place Called Dixie"

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Success Of Cnib Third Annual Bachelor Auction

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This weekend I had the pleasure of helping out at the third annual bachelor auction sponsored by the local office of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind. The auction raised over $5,000 for program work and operational costs. A good time was had by all.

Madam Speaker, in an economic climate such as we are experiencing, it becomes much more difficult for voluntary groups and agencies to raise the necessary portion of money needed to keep programs operating and we, in Yellowknife, are fortunate to have had the generous input and support that we get.

Special thanks must go to the Explorer Hotel, Sounds Sensations and the many restaurants that contributed facilities, entertainment and door prizes for this event. But it was through the generosity of the good people at Clark Bowler who matched, dollar for dollar, some of the bids, that our objectives were reached.

CNIB regional director, Lydia Bardak, her staff and volunteers, including our own Ms. MacPherson and Ms. Harris, had to have done a wonderful job of rounding up a good slate of eligible bachelors who promised lots of fun and good times for their successful bidders. Events such as these ensure that the necessary and important work of CNIB can continue. Thank you.

---Applause

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Success Of Cnib Third Annual Bachelor Auction

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Reinventing Parliament Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I rise today to inform the House of the very worthwhile conference I attended on the weekend on behalf of my colleagues on the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges.

Madam Speaker, the reinventing Parliament conference brought together Canadians from across the country to discuss alternatives for the meaningful renewal of Canada's Parliament, provincial and territorial legislatures and the electoral process.

It was sponsored by the Campbell West Foundation and hosted by the University of Lethbridge.

Madam Speaker, in recent years there have been numerous calls advocating parliamentary changes outside of the constitutional process. Clearly, Canadians remain disappointed with the way their governments work in Canada. The purpose of this conference was to bring academics, political practitioners and students together to assess the need for changing Canada's institution of government, reflect on available options and to set forth an agenda for action.

Madam Speaker, Brian Lewis , our Deputy Speaker, an alternate Member of the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges, accompanied me to this conference. We both actively participated in workshop discussions and considered issues such as free votes, private Members' bills, legislative committees, the role of individual MPs and MLAs, changes to the rules governing confidence motions, direct participation by the public as an alternative to strict party discipline and the steadily increasing power of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

Madam Speaker, our northern experiences regarding consensus government was very helpful and added a unique perspective to the examination of these issues.

Madam Speaker, I will be presenting more detailed information to my colleagues on the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges in the very near future and look forward to a more in-depth discussion in that forum as we attempt to make our system of self-government more responsible and responsive to those whom we serve. Thank you.

---Applause

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Reinventing Parliament Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Success Of Pauktuutit's Tenth Annual General Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Last week I had the privilege of attending several sessions of the tenth annual general assembly of Pauktuutit, the Inuit women's association, held in Iqaluit and bringing greetings from this Assembly along with my colleague, the Honourable Rebecca Mike .

As Nunatsiaq News put it so aptly in an editorial published last week, in describing this large group of leaders from Nunavut, Nunavik and Labrador, "Though most of them don't hold any formal elected political positions, it is a group of leaders who are growing in power and influence. They are leaders in the true sense of the word, community leaders, role models, family leaders, youth leaders, leaders of the people. We will be hearing the strong voices of Inuit women in Iqaluit," the editorial concluded, "We will be listening to and learning from those voices for many years to come."

Madam Speaker, I was one of a number of male political leaders who had the privilege of addressing the meeting. To me it was a mark of the coming of age of Pauktuutit that these strong political leaders, including James Eetoolook, John Amagoalik, Jack Anawak, Senator Willie Adams, among others, spoke frankly and often emotionally about the need for men to support and understand the point of view of women and children.

Madam Speaker, it was a marvellous meeting. I am pleased that it was so well covered in the media. I can do no better than again quote from Nunatsiaq News. The story in Friday's paper summed up the spirit of the meeting quite well. "Spare chairs were few, the coffee ran low and people lined the walls around the square meeting tables to watch Pauktuutit's tenth anniversary meeting, which proved to be one of the most successful Pauktuutit has ever had. Women shed tears, shared smiles and embraced during breaks, updating each other on what has happened in their communities since they last gathered a year ago.

Around the table they supported each other as well during emotional speeches where men and women revealed painful life stories." As the

article pointed out, it was much more than a business meeting, it was a mixture of healing, support and business. A dynamic new board of directors was elected. There was a fabulous fashion show interrupted in dramatic fashion by the NWT Power Corporation.

Madam Speaker, I would like to interrupt my concluding remarks to request unanimous consent to conclude. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Patterson .

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Success Of Pauktuutit's Tenth Annual General Meeting

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker and honourable Members. I was pleased that time was taken out by Pauktuutit on the instance of the Honourable Rebecca Mike and with her assistance to honour the founding president of Pauktuutit, Ms. Jeela Moss-Davis. Pauktuutit has come a long way in those ten years. The wise women of Pauktuutit are being heard. They have, in many ways, become what Pauktuutit president Martha Flaherty has described as our conscience.

I would like to thank the Inuit women's association, Pauktuutit, for honouring my constituents by choosing Iqaluit as the location for this very important assembly. I would also like to thank Mary Wilman and her very hard working, local organizing community, including corporate sponsors, for the good work they did in preparing a very warm welcome and full slate of activities for the delegates. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Return To Question 123-12(5): Funding For Family Violence Meetings

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on February 17, 1994 regarding family violence funding.

The federal government announced a new family initiative in February 1991. Over a four year period, a total of $22 million was available through the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs and $14 million through the medical services branch of Health Canada to combat family violence.

INAC's family violence initiative focused on community-based programs and services and is managed in each region in cooperation with First Nations' representatives. The medical services branch focuses on curriculum development and training for community workers.

Through a formula driven process, the Northwest Territories' portion of the $22 million available through INAC was determined as follows: 1991-92, $25,000; 1992-93, $50,000; 1993-94, $75,000; and, 1994-95, $75,000.

This amounted to a total of $225,000 over four years.

In 1992-93, the Northwest Territories Native Women's Association and the Pauktuutit Inuit Women's Association administered these family violence funds, each receiving $25,000. In 1993-94, each received $37,500.

These fund were to be directed to community groups for public education and awareness activities.

Madam Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories accessed a total of over $1 million out of Health Canada's $14 million. These funds have been used to develop and deliver family violence training for shelter workers in the Northwest Territories. The Department of Social Services has been carrying out this training through contribution agreements with Health Canada. The amounts available were determined by a funding formula. The following amounts are available over the four year period: 1991-92, $176,000; 1992-93, $291,000; 1993-94, 259,800; and, 1994-95, $319,800.

The training has been delivered to shelter workers throughout the Northwest Territories by the Northwest Territories Native Women's Association, under contribution agreements with the department. Thank you.

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Return To Question 123-12(5): Funding For Family Violence Meetings

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 220-12(5): Delegated Authority In The Premier's Absence

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Government House Leader. We've been told before, Madam Speaker, that the Premier has decided not to choose a Deputy Premier, but to devolve authority on a case-by-case basis when she needs to be out of town. I was wondering if the Government House Leader could advise us who is filling that position today. In other words, Madam Speaker, who is in charge?

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Question 220-12(5): Delegated Authority In The Premier's Absence

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Return To Question 220-12(5): Delegated Authority In The Premier's Absence

Question 220-12(5): Delegated Authority In The Premier's Absence

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, Premier Cournoyea is still in charge, she is still in Canada. She is in contact with us. In the interim, if there is any signing to be done or any minor decisions to be made, meetings to be chaired, I am doing that kind of thing, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. In the past, there have been some problems on occasion with ministerial signing authority. The Minister has indicated that he has now authority for the Premier if that is needed. Have the Ministers who are also out of town right now delegated signing authority for their departmental responsibilities?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, it's not normal for Ministers to delegate if they're going to be out of town for 24 or 48 hours. If it was going to be for a matter of days or weeks, then that would be different. At the present time, if there were any documents to be signed on behalf of any of the Ministers who are absent, that could be done by any one of the Ministers who are in the House at the present time. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Madam Speaker, can I seek unanimous consent to return to oral questions?

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The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to oral questions. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Zoe . Item 5, oral questions.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker, and thank you, colleagues, for returning to oral questions. Madam Speaker, in October of 1993, the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs at the time wrote in a reply to the Northwest Territories Association of Municipalities that his department was working with the office of the fire marshal to develop a fire training strategy for community fire fighters. I would like to ask the Minister, Madam Speaker, can the current Minister tell us when these negotiations will be completed?

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Thank you. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know what stage the negotiations are at, at this point. I thank the Member for bringing that up and I will find out. Thank you.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Madam Speaker, in that same letter that the Minister wrote, he also indicated that his department supported cost-effective fire fighting training in all communities. However, Madam Speaker, funding for fire fighting training is generally lumped in with unconditional funding provided to communities, and it is not identified separately as requested by the resolution passed at the NWTAM. Can the Minister explain why specific funding for fire fighting training is not identified separately?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The way I understand the transfers that are made to communities is through a funding formula, which are transferred to communities on an unconditional basis. The only conditions there are, are under water and sewage. It is up to the municipality or the community to decide how the funding will be dispersed in their particular community. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Madam Speaker, supplementary. Given that the funding for fire fighting training is not identified separately, can the Minister explain what measures are in place to require communities to develop an adequately trained fire fighting force?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Madam Speaker, I'm not certain how it is decided that funds should be distributed because it is a government to government relationship. We are not in a position to say that this is how your money should be spent, because they are a government and the governments

decide for themselves how their funding is to be spent. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. I think the Minister is getting confused. I'm primarily concentrating on the fire fighters at the community level, Madam Speaker, with particular regard to the training component. Can the Minister assure this House that he and his department will develop measures as soon as possible to ensure that every community has an adequately trained fire fighting force? As I understand, from the comments that I am receiving from the Minister, there are no measures in place. Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know how successful we will be in acquiring additional funds. Due to the restraint, we have had difficulty in trying to acquire funds, but we will certainly take a good look at it. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 222-12(5): Development Of Treatment Facilities For Youth

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Social Services . During my travels across the north, one of the many concerns raised by people in the communities dealt with the lack of proper treatment facilities for young people. Currently, young people, when they need to be assessed, have to be sent south for the assessment and treatment, and this is especially the case for youths who are addicted to alcohol or drugs. My question to the Minister is, what initiatives is the department taking in reviewing and working toward developing proper assessment and treatment facilities in the Northwest Territories for youths?

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Baffin Central

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. It is nice to know that there is at least one pilot project in the north, but there are many communities, and not all are centred around Yellowknife. My question is, will the department also be looking at using some of the developed bush camps for assisting in treatment of youths and families?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It will all depend on what assessments have been made on youths, to what extent their addictions vary. Certainly, the department will look at these camps for youths who have fewer problems with solvent abuse or alcohol and drugs. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. I guess that is the root of the problem, the inability of assessing the youths in the north, because, for each one, we have to send them to a facility in the south to do a proper assessment and that costs a lot of money. So, I am very concerned that we have assessment facilities or the the ability to do assessments in the north. To do assessments, you also need, at the grass-roots, community level, people who are able to identify some of the problems. What is the department doing in terms of training or providing training for the development of counsellors in the communities?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The department, in trying to address a number of problems that have existed over the years, by decentralizing its clinical team to regional centres so that they can be made available to the frontline workers in the communities and also involve and identify training needs at the local level. Once that is complete, I hope that we will have more trained workers looking after problems that arise at the community level.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

It is nice to hear that we are finally going to provide some of the expertise to the regional centres. My final supplementary is, in terms of some of the bush camps that are in existence and being worked on and developed, how is the department going to provide assistance or how do these camps, the operators of these camps, come to the department in terms of putting a program forward? Do they write a submission, or is the department assessing these camps, or what process is being used to be able to utilize the camps that are out there?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think, due to the restraint measures that we have been going through over the past few years, we could assist in terms of other programs that are made available from the federal government targeted for youth. As well as the Brighter Futures, there are a number of funds that are available but not available within our department or our government. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Madam Speaker, this question is directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs in his capacity as Minister responsible for sports and recreation. On February 22, 1994, I informed the Minister in this House that not one player from the Coral Harbour senior men's hockey team would be part of the Arctic Winter Games NWT men's hockey team, even though they came in second in the territorial trials. The Minister's response to the question I asked promised to look into the matter and ensure that fairness and equality is practised in the selection process to avoid discrimination against smaller communities.

My question is, has the Minister found out why there were no players from the Coral Harbour senior men's hockey team that came in second place chosen to represent the Northwest Territories at the Arctic Winter Games in Slave Lake, Alberta, this March?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will take the question as notice.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to follow up on a question I asked the Minister of Health on Friday regarding the agreement or proposed agreement with Alberta to use the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Edmonton. As I mentioned then, I have had questions posed to me by constituents and I would like to gain a better understanding of how this agreement might work. Madam Speaker, presently, people are free to choose the doctor they see so that, if someone from the western Arctic is referred to a specialist, they could, for instance, choose to see a specialist in Ontario.

The Department of Health would pay for the cost of transportation to Edmonton. The patient would then be responsible for picking up the cost of transportation from Edmonton to a doctor in Ontario and return to Edmonton, but through reciprocal billings, the Department of Health would pay for the consultation with the specialist. Given this new agreement that is being proposed, if the same speciality is offered at the Royal Alexandra, will people still be able to choose to see the doctor of their choice?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I thought about this question on the weekend and I think the answer is, if there are specialists who are treating people in the Northwest Territories and they're treating them at hospitals other than the Royal Alexandra, at the present time, then we should encourage those specialists to seek privileges at the Royal Alexandra and then they can treat their patients in a facility that we intend to do most of our business with. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That response would tend to indicate, though, a lessening of choice. So, just for clarification, is the department now saying that the people of the Northwest Territories, and the western Arctic in particular, do not have a choice about the doctors they see?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, normally if you go to your nurse, they will refer you to a physician. A physician will refer you to a specialist to have a particular procedure done. If you've had a bad fracture, they would refer you to an orthopaedic surgeon in Edmonton and the operation would be done down there if Stanton could not handle that particular situation. That happens occasionally. If this badly fractured limb could not be treated at Stanton, they would be referred to the Royal Alexandra hospital and the treatment would be done there. The specialist would be the person who is working out of that particular hospital.

I think what Mr. Dent is getting at is there are people who, for many years, have seen the same specialists in Edmonton over and over again. I believe some of them see them a few times a year. If it doesn't involve hospitalization then I think they could probably still see those people. We figure 85 per cent of our patients from the territories can be hospitalized at the Royal Alexandra. For those people who are going down for consultation every three months or so, I don't see a reason why they would have to change their specialist if it doesn't involve hospitalization. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

I thank the Minister for that response. In fact, it clears up what I was looking for on Friday. My question today has more to do with freedom of choice. At the present time, Canadians are allowed to choose a second opinion, if they wish, from a doctor. So if you're referred to a specialist, you may get the opinion of that specialist, but you may also choose to go see another specialist of your choosing. You can be referred to that person by the doctor so that you can get a second opinion.

My question today has to do with whether that choice will still be there. Right now, if I'm referred to a specialist in Edmonton, I may choose to go past Edmonton and get an opinion from a specialist in the same field somewhere else. Now, at the present time, I'm required to pay the extra travel costs from Edmonton to wherever that specialist may be. My question is, will that still be the same situation? Will the Department of Health pay for the services of that specialist if that specialist is somewhere other than Edmonton?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I think there's a little bit of confusion. What we're trying to deal with is the hospital we send people to from the western Arctic and the Kitikmeot. That used to be, for the most part, the Charles Camsell Hospital. That hospital, I understand, will be no longer, so we are making a new arrangement. Any of those other services and the choices of people will still be there. But, when it comes to hospitalization, we are trying to get people from the western Arctic and from the Kitikmeot to be patients in the Royal Alexandra Hospital where they offer the service.

If they don't offer the service, then they will refer those cases to the University Hospital or the Cross Cancer Institute.

I think we're dealing with a facility and I think Mr. Dent is talking about a patient's choice of physician. I don't intend to get involved in the patient's choice of physician, although I am trying to encourage people from the western Arctic and from the Kitikmeot to use the Royal Alexandra hospital. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I thank the Minister for that response. I was wondering if the Minister could advise the House, during the course of these negotiations, was the NWT Medical Association consulted? Were they asked to provide advice as to whether or not the Royal Alexandra would be the best choice in Edmonton or if another hospital might be?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I had the department check with all the medical associations in the Northwest Territories including the nurses, the Public Health Association and I consulted personally with the board. I believe that the last piece of information we're waiting for is a letter from the boards advising about their visit to the facility which happened about ten days ago. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services and it is with regard to the food allowances for clients on social assistance. A year after this government took office, in October 1992, there was a five per cent increase in social assistance payments. In October 1993, there was another average of a five per cent increase in social assistance rates. The monthly food allowance rates are still below the monthly nutritious food basket costs as published by the NWT bureau of statistics. I would like to ask the Minister, is an ongoing evaluation and adjustment of food allowance rates for social assistant clients still a priority of her department? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Among many priorities, yes, it is.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, then what plans are in place to review these food scale increases for the upcoming year? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't have the information at the tip of my tongue, so I'll take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 226-12(5): Legislative Changes Re Family Law Review

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Social Services . Madam Speaker, in response to an oral question earlier this session, the Minister noted that she realized the need for a timely response to the family law review and the need for an early start on the legislative changes which would be required. I was very glad to hear the Minister recognize the need to move quickly. I was wondering if she could advise the House when we might expect to see these proposed legislative changes coming forward?

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will take the question as notice.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Item 6, written questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Written Question 14-12(5): Rates For Hospitalization Outside Of Canada

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a written question for the Minister of Health .

Would the Minister responsible for the Department of Health please provide the following information:

1. What is the current rate the Department of Health will pay for hospitalization outside of Canada?

2. When was this rate last changed?

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 6, written questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Written Question 15-12(5): Negotiations On Fire Training Programs And Standards

Item 6: Written Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a written question for the Minister of Safety and Public Services .

On September 29, 1993, the Minister of Safety and Public Services responded to the NWTAM, stating that negotiations were under way between the office of the fire marshal and MACA to formalize and standardize the delivery of NWT fire training programs.

Would the Minister advise this House when he expects those negotiations to be completed and when can municipalities expect new standards in delivery of fire training programs? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Item 9: Petitions

Item 9: Petitions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have Petition No. 5-12(5), which was drawn up by Bertha Allen, the president of the Native Women's Association. This petition was considered along with the final report of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services at a women's workshop in Inuvik. All of the women at the workshop signed the petition which calls on the Members of this Legislative Assembly to act on the recommendations of the final report of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 9: Petitions

Item 9: Petitions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Item 9: Petitions

Item 9: Petitions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Legislation has reviewed bills 2 , 5 , 6 and 7 and wishes to report that...

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Item 9: Petitions

Item 9: Petitions

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The Speaker

Mr. Gargan , you are under item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. We are now on item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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Page 407

The Speaker

Report On Bills 2 , 5 , 6 , 7 And Bills 3 And 4 As Amended

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Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Legislation has reviewed bills 2 , 5 , 6 and 7 and wishes to report that bills 2 , 5 , 6 and 7 are ready for committee of the whole. Also, Madam Speaker, I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Legislation has reviewed bills 3 and 4 and wishes to report that bills 3 and 4 are now ready for committee of the whole as amended. Thank you.

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Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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The Speaker

Thank you. Pursuant to rule 75, bills 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 and 7 are ordered into committee of the whole.

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Agreed.

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Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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Page 408

The Speaker

Item 12, tabling of documents. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Page 408

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wish to table Tabled Document 32-12(5), the passed resolutions of the Kitikmeot Inuit Association's annual general assembly which deal with non-internal matters. Thank you.

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 12, tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Motion 16-12(5): Appointment Of Member To The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Item 13: Notices Of Motion

Page 408

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I give notice that on Wednesday, March 2, I will move the following motion. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for High Arctic , that Mr. Fred Koe , the honourable Member for Inuvik , be appointed as a Member of the Advisory Committee on Social Housing and, Madam Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be seeking unanimous consent to deal with my motion today.

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Motion 16-12(5): Appointment Of Member To The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Item 13: Notices Of Motion

Page 408

The Speaker

Thank you. Item 14, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, first reading of bills. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Item 16: First Reading Of Bills

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , that Bill 13, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94 be read for the first time. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Your motion is in order. To the motion.

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Item 16: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 16, first reading of bills. Item 17, second reading of bills. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , that Bill 13, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94 , be read for the second time. Madam Speaker, this bill makes supplementary appropriations for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1994. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker

Thank you. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

Point Of Order

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Point of order, Madam Speaker. I don't believe item 15, motions, was called.

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The Speaker

I believe you might be right.

---Laughter

Currently, I have a motion on the floor under item 17, second reading of bills. Therefore, I would ask Mr. Pollard to withdraw your motion and then I will go back to item 15.

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The Speaker

I also need consent of your seconder, Mr. Pollard . Thank you.

---Withdrawn

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to deal with my motion, the appointment of a Member to the Advisory Committee on Social Housing.

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The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to address his motion. Are there any nays?

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The Speaker

I hear a nay. I am sorry, unanimous consent is denied. Item 17, second reading of bills. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe that Bill 13, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94 , be read for the second time. Madam Speaker, this bill makes supplementary appropriations for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1994. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Your motion is in order. To the principle of the bill.

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Bill 13: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94

Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 408

The Speaker

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 13 , has had second reading and accordingly stands referred to committee of the whole. Item 17, second reading of bills. Item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Bill 1, Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95 ; Committee Report 2-12(5), Review of the 1994-95 Main Estimates; Minister's Statement 5-12(5), Session Business; Tabled Document 1-12(5), Towards an NWT Mineral Strategy; Tabled Document 2-12(5), Building and Learning Strategy; Tabled Document 11-12(5), First Annual Report of the Languages Commissioner of the NWT for the Year 1992-93; and, Bill 13, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94 , with Mr. Lewis in the chair.

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 409

The Chair

Brian Lewis

I will call the committee to order. On Friday, the committee was about to deal with the estimates of the Department of Education. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent .

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 409

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I recommend that the committee continue with consideration of Bill 1 and Committee Report 2-12(5). If the committee agrees, then I would propose to make a motion regarding what we do specifically with those two documents.

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The Chair

Brian Lewis

Is it the wish of Members to continue with Bill 1 and Committee Report 2-12(5)?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

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Page 409

Some Hon. Members

Motion To Defer Department Of Education, Culture And Employment, Carried

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I move that we defer further consideration of the budget of Education, Culture and Employment, and move on to the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs.

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The Chair

Brian Lewis

Your motion is in order, Mr. Dent . To the motion.

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

Brian Lewis

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Department Of Municipal And Community Affairs

Introductory Remarks

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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 409

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department continues to deliver on its long standing mandate to fund or directly provide operating assistance programs to municipal governments and communities for municipal programs and services. Although the limited fiscal resources available to our government continue to pose a major challenge, we believe that the present level of O and M support to municipal governments and communities is enabling them to meet the needs of their community residents for good, basic and diverse municipal services.

For the 1994-95 fiscal year, O and M estimates of $64.553 million are proposed. This is a modest increase of 3.3 per cent over the 1993-94 main estimates. There are no person year increases proposed for the department for 1994-95. The 1993-94 levels of 147.8 permanent and 6.6 casual person years are to be maintained. The department is continuing to carefully examine ways of better utilizing its human and financial resources to safeguard, as much as possible, for community-oriented programs rather than on overhead costs.

For this year, the department's budgetary increases are proposed for the following major areas: hamlet transfer payments which constitute a major component of the department's O and M funding. This funding is provided directly through contribution to hamlets and charter communities, and accounts for about 49 per cent of all departmental O and M grants and contributions and about 38 per cent of the department's entire O and M estimates.

Support from this government to these non-tax-based municipalities remains crucial. Additional funding of $684,000 is proposed to meet increased O and M costs of new municipal infrastructure and for inflationary cost increases.

Our government continues to emphasize the vital role of good community recreation programs in strengthening community well-being and offering positive focuses for the youth of the north. Additional funding of $400,000 is proposed to provide communities with base funding support under the recreation leadership salary subsidy program, which enables community government to hire qualified recreation leaders and recreation facility maintainers. These key community personnel are catalysts for strong, well-planned and efficient community recreation programs. The program also provides nearly 90 person years of employment in the Northwest Territories.

An additional $142,000 is proposed in order to meet forced growth requirements for maintenance of community recreational facilities, under the recreational facilities operating subsidy and the municipal operating assistance policy.

Under the grants in lieu of property taxes policy, the Government of the Northwest Territories pays grants in lieu to the city of Yellowknife, and to towns and villages for GNWT-owned properties eligible under this policy.

An additional $152,000 in forced growth is requested for municipal equalization transfer payments to tax-based municipalities. Additional funding of $112,000 is being proposed due to an increase in the number of dwelling units against which the municipal equalization formula is calculated, as well as an inflationary increase.

I wish to point out that municipal O and M funding for the city of Yellowknife is provided under the GNWT city block funding agreement, which commences its second year on April 1, 1994. Under this three year agreement, the level of GNWT funding for the city's municipal capital and O and M programs is set at $4.100 million annually. For support to settlements, additional funding of $253,000 is requested to meet operating costs for new infrastructure in smaller communities.

Your committee has previously expressed concerns about the level of funding support for settlements or other small communities with developing forms of local government. I want to assure this committee that the department is making progress in developing settlement capital and operating assistance policies, and I expect to submit them to Cabinet for consideration this winter. Mr.

Chairman, I believe that the proposed O and M estimates for Municipal and Community Affairs provide a budget with broad scope to address the basic needs of municipal governments and community governments on a comprehensive and equitable basis. I now look forward to answering the committee's questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Page 410

The Chair

Brian Lewis

Thanks very much, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Before we go to questions and dealing with the report of the Standing Committee on Finance, I request to take a short break. The meeting is recessed.

---SHORT BREAK

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 410

The Chair

Brian Lewis

I would like to call the committee back to order. Before the recess we had received some opening comments from the Minister. Does the Standing Committee on Finance have a report to make. Mr. Zoe .

Standing Committee on Finance Comments

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 410

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Standing Committee on Finance, with regard to the Municipal and Community Affairs, is generally impressed with the progress of the department. The overall impression is one of competence and ability, and we look forward to seeing the department continue to meet the needs of the Northwest Territories' municipalities as well as it has.

While we recognize that the Minister of this department is new to Cabinet, we encourage him to manage proactively and to take a lead role in guiding the department's actions.

Property Taxation

Mr. Chairman, there are number of issues related to property taxation that the department should consider. These issues -- payment of property taxes by status native people, low taxation rates in the general taxation area and incentives to home ownership -- are addressed in recommendation 18 which is recorded under the Department of Finance. The committee recommends that this department work with the departments of Education and Finance in developing a plan to resolve outstanding issues in this area.

The Iqaluit Situation

Mr. Chairman, the committee is concerned about the events leading up to the dissolution of the Iqaluit municipal council. That dissolution, and the appointment of an outside administrator, took Members by surprise. While we appreciate the Cabinet felt it had valid reasons for taking the action it did, we believe that such surprises are to be avoided. There should be clear policies and processes in place that would allow municipalities and other concerned parties to know what to expect.

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, the committee made the following recommendation.

Recommendation 26

The committee recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs review its policies, processes and legislation regarding dissolution of municipal councils and amend them as necessary to establish a clear and understandable process. Further, that the department respond to the committee with the amendments by August 1, 1994.

Community Development

Mr. Chairman, the committee noted that department has, over the last few years, been allocating capital resources to communities that were in need of basic municipal infrastructure. While these efforts are commendable, they do not fully address the overall needs of these small developing communities. These communities need support to strengthen themselves. They require assistance in the administration of the municipality and the infrastructure which is being developed.

Therefore, the standing committee made the following recommendation.

Recommendation 27

The committee recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs identify community development in smaller commun