Debates of Feb. 21st, 2014

This is page numbers 3805 – 3850 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Speaker’s Ruling

Milestones Achieved At Aboriginal Rights Negotiations

A New Approach – Preserving And Revitalizing Aboriginal Languages And Culture

February Heart Health Month

Concerns With Budget Process

2014 Paralympian Athlete Michelle Salt

NWT Smoking Statistics

Moose Kerr School

Investing In Northern Residents

Volunteers In Small Communities

Ywca Transitional Housing

Recognition Of Chambers Of Commerce

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Transitional Housing

Regional Recruitment

Moose Kerr School

Recognizing Community Volunteers

Southern Treatment Facilities

Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

Tabled Document 44-17(5): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 4, 2013-14 Tabled Document 45-17(5): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2014-2015

Tabled Document 46-17(5):

Summary Of Members’ Absences For The Period October 17, 2013 To February 4, 2014

Tabled Document 47-17(5): Wise Words, Volume 4, Issue No. 2, January 2014

Bill 11: Petroleum Resources Act

Bill 10: Northwest Territories Lands Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Program Delivery Support – Oral Health Care For NWT Children

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Child And Family Resource Programs And Services

Mental Health And Addictions Action Plan

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10:00 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good morning, colleagues.

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Colleagues, I will now give my ruling on the point of order raised by Mr. Hawkins on February 17, 2014, respecting comments made by Premier McLeod on February 13, 2014, in speaking to an earlier point of order.

Premier McLeod stated, on page 4 of the unedited Hansard for February 13th in reference to Mr.

Hawkins, “…the Member has acknowledged the breach and he’s now trying to use process to not withdraw his remarks.”

In speaking to his point of order, Mr. Hawkins , at page 1 of the unedited Hansard for February 17th ,

stated that he was “personally offended by the Premier ’s comments were an attempt to put words into my mouth which I did not say.” He also stated his concern that the Premier violated Rule 23(

i) by imputing false or hidden motives to him with respect to his use of procedural arguments in response to the point of order.

Colleagues, I am not going to make a determination of whether the Premier mischaracterized Mr. Hawkins ’ comments on February 13th . Every day in

this House I hear Members on both sides paraphrasing and interpreting each other’s remarks during the course of debate. I am sure that the accuracy of those

interpretations could often be called into question. If there was any doubt about Mr. Hawkins ’ intended meaning after the February 13th exchange, Mr. Hawkins has since clarified his

comments on the record in raising his point of order.

Mr. Hawkins did make some procedural arguments in speaking to the point of order, as is his right. I do not find that the Premier violated Rule 23(

i) by sharing his observations on comments made by Mr. Hawkins . I do not find that the Premier was imputing false or hidden motives to Mr. Hawkins .

There is no point of order.

I would, however, take this opportunity to make Members on both sides of the House aware that in considering points of order, I find it most helpful when your comments clearly outline your own views rather than critiquing those of others. I would ask you to keep that in mind as we conduct our affairs in this Chamber in a respectful fashion, on behalf of our constituents.

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Colleagues, I will now also provide my ruling on the point of order raised by Mr. Miltenberger on Thursday, February 13, 2014, regarding comments made by Mr. Hawkins the previous day.

The question of whether a point of order has been raised at the earliest opportunity is decided on a case-by-case basis. In this instance, I find that it was reasonable for Minister Miltenberger to wait to consult the unedited Hansard prior to making his point of order, and that the point of order was, therefore, raised at the earliest opportunity. There are many precedents for this finding.

Minister Miltenberger ’s point of order, at page 2 of the unedited Hansard for February 13th , is that in

his comments on February 12th Mr. Hawkins

“clearly accused deputy ministers of deliberate criminal behaviour.”

Freedom of speech in debates and proceedings is one of the cornerstones of parliamentary privilege. It is there to ensure that Members have the liberty to speak in this Chamber without, for example, the threat of being subject to legal proceedings under defamation laws. However, with that privilege comes a responsibility to govern ourselves in a way that befits the dignity of this House and respects the rights of others who do not have a direct voice in our proceedings.

This view is consistent with the rulings of Speaker Gargan and Speaker Delorey quoted by Mr. Miltenberger in speaking to his point of order. As stated in O’Brien and Bosc’s House of Commons Procedure and Practice at page 617: “Members have a responsibility to protect the innocent, not only from outright slander, but from any slur directly or indirectly implied.”

In speaking to the point of order, Mr. Hawkins quoted Beauchesne’s Parliamentary Rules and Forms at paragraph 75. I would draw your attention,

colleagues, to paragraph 77 of the same text, which states: “Freedom of speech does not mean that Members have an unlimited or unrestrained right to speak on every issue. The rules of the House impose limits on the participation of Members and it is the duty of the Speaker to restrain those who abuse the rules.”

Colleagues, parliamentary immunity was never intended to serve as a wall Members can hide behind to hurl insults and accusations at persons who are not Members of this House and cannot reply in their own defence. To use our freedom of speech in this way violates both common courtesy and the rules of this House.

In reference to deputy ministers, Mr. Hawkins stated, at page 18 of the unedited Hansard from February 12th , “My view is they are actually

breaking direction laid out by the Legislature. In essence, it’s tantamount, in my view, of breaking the law.” He later stated, “I’d like to ask what the Finance Minister is going to do if we know that deputy ministers are signing off human resources money that is designated, protected and passed in this Legislature by a duly elected body when they go behind the scenes and re-appropriate the money for their pet projects.”

The category of “deputy ministers” refers to a small, easily identifiable group of individuals. Mr. Hawkins clearly called the personal integrity of these individuals into question by suggesting they have broken the law and re-appropriated money for “pet projects.” Mr. Hawkins ’ use of the phrase “in my view” may make his allegations slightly less direct, but does not lessen their impact or significance.

There is a point of order. I will now ask Mr. Hawkins to withdraw his remarks and apologize to the House. Mr. Hawkins .

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I cannot compromise and I must hold fast to my principles based on my passion and belief. I am…

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

I’m asking you to apologize to the House. I’m not going to be listening to what you have in your hand. Apologize and withdraw your remarks. Mr. Hawkins .

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I’m fighting for the fair and honest opportunities for Northerners, Mr. Speaker, and because of the real situation of the scandal is my perspective…

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Hawkins , I draw your attention to Rule 25(3) of this Assembly, which states, ”A Member be named by the Speaker for disregarding the authority of the Chair…” and Rule 25(4), which states, “A Member named under Rule 25(2) or (3) shall be suspended from the Assembly for the remainder of the sitting day. A motion without notice may be moved to increase the length of suspension of the named Member and shall be decided without amendment or debate.”

Mr. Hawkins , do you understand the consequences by not withdrawing your remarks as instructed? I will ask you again; do you wish to withdraw your remarks? Yes or no.

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I feel that this is a distraction and, as such, I cannot withdraw my remarks to my earlier comments because I felt they were made with honest intention.

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Speaker’s Ruling

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

In that case, Mr. Hawkins , in accordance to Rule 25(4), I must suspend you from this Assembly for the remainder of the sitting day and I ask you to leave the House.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 33-17(5): Milestones Achieved At Aboriginal Rights Negotiations

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, concluding land, resources and self-government agreements is an essential element of the political evolution of the Northwest Territories and the foundation for our future economic and political stability.

The Government of the Northwest Territories is an active party to these negotiations as we support the settlement of all outstanding Aboriginal rights in the Northwest Territories. We know, from experience, that those who have settled agreements have the necessary tools to fully participate in the Northwest Territories and Canadian economies, to strengthen their communities and to create new business, investment and job opportunities. Strong relationships with Aboriginal governments are a priority for the 17th Assembly and a key part of

building a strong, sustainable future for our territory.

Thirty years ago this June, the Inuvialuit Final Agreement became the first comprehensive land claim agreement settled in the Northwest Territories. This milestone was followed by the Gwich’in Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement, the Sahtu Dene and Metis Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement, the Tlicho Agreement and the Salt River First Nation Treaty Settlement Agreement. Collectively, these agreements have resulted in almost 200,000 square kilometres of land under direct Aboriginal ownership and financial settlements from Canada in excess of $650 million.

Today Aboriginal rights negotiations, including self-government, are underway in all regions of the Northwest Territories as we continue along the journey of shaping the framework for land and resource management and the future governance structure of communities and regions for decades to come. With several sets of negotiations nearing critical milestones, we are seeing firsthand how

partners working together can achieve significant results.

This includes the conclusion of a draft Deline Final Self-Government Agreement that was initialed by the parties this past December. The final agreement contains a wide range of powers that will give the Sahtu Dene and Metis of Deline more control over the decisions that affect their day-to-day lives, including how programs and services will be delivered. The Deline ratification vote is planned for March 10 to 12, 2014, in Deline and Yellowknife. When ratified, the Deline Self-Government Agreement would become the first self-government agreement to be negotiated in the Northwest Territories on a community basis.

Last week I had the pleasure of adding my signature to the Acho Dene Koe First Nation Agreement-in-Principle on a land and resources agreement on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories. When signed by all parties, negotiations will continue toward a final agreement that, once complete, will become the first community-based land and resources agreement in the Northwest Territories.

Our negotiators have also recently concluded a draft agreement-in-principle on self-government with the Inuvialuit and are close to finalizing an agreement-in-principle on land and resources with the Northwest Territory Metis Nation. Consultations with potentially affected Aboriginal governments are being conducted on both draft agreements. Once consultations are complete and the agreements are finalized by the parties, final agreement negotiations will begin.

Mr. Speaker, in addition to these significant milestones, I am pleased to report that we are continuing to see progress at all other Aboriginal rights negotiations throughout our territory.

I believe that partnership and mutual respect is the key to success. This is how we do things in the North and this is how we will continue to do things. This territory is built on partnerships and collaboration, and the Government of the Northwest Territories will continue to work effectively with its federal and Aboriginal partners to finalize and implement land, resources and self-government agreements in all regions of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 33-17(5): Milestones Achieved At Aboriginal Rights Negotiations

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 34-17(5): A New Approach – Preserving And Revitalizing Aboriginal Languages And Culture

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment

is working with our Aboriginal government partners on a new approach to strengthen Aboriginal languages.

As you know, this government has sponsored two Aboriginal languages symposia. We meet regularly with Aboriginal leaders and their delegates. We have excellent ongoing relationships with language coordinators and elders. We have heard from all of them that Aboriginal governments and their language communities are best placed to deliver programs aimed at revitalizing their languages.

Mr. Speaker, in recognition of this, I am pleased to announce that beginning in April, this government will be providing a total of almost $3.5 million dollars to regional Aboriginal governments, based on their individual five-year language plans and budgets they have submitted to us. This will enable each of them to fund their regional plans they have drafted for their language communities. Further, Mr. Speaker, this will be three-year block funding, something Aboriginal governments have been requesting for some time.

As well, being mindful of the public purse and without jeopardizing full accountability requirements, we are cutting the red tape around reporting. We will ask for reporting annually, not quarterly, and a staff member will work personally with Aboriginal governments to assist with their reporting as required.

Mr. Speaker, the work Aboriginal governments are planning to carry out over the next five years is impressive. It includes a range of well-thought-out, practical activities to strengthen Aboriginal languages and create more language speakers over the coming years. Plans include both traditional learning and the adoption of new technology; they include emphasis on the overlapping nature of culture and language; and, Mr. Speaker, they provide job opportunities for local people through the hiring of regional language coordinators.

Mr. Speaker, Aboriginal governments have indicated they are very pleased with this approach and welcome this new partnership with the GNWT. We believe it is only by working closely and cooperatively with our Aboriginal government partners that our territory will blossom and grow. I look forward to reporting on the success of this approach in the future.

As March is nearly upon us, I wish everyone a happy Aboriginal Languages Month. Please take this special chance to use, learn or share your language. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 34-17(5): A New Approach – Preserving And Revitalizing Aboriginal Languages And Culture

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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February Heart Health Month

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to remind everyone again this year that February is Heart Month, an opportunity for all Canadians to learn about the risk of heart disease and stroke and for the Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation to raise funds for life-giving research.

Heart disease describes many heart conditions. Coronary artery disease is the most common of these and occurs when blood vessels in your heart become blocked, preventing oxygen-rich blood from reaching your heart. It can cause chest pains or even a heart attack.

A stroke occurs when blood flow to the brain is interrupted. This can cause weakness, loss of speech and paralysis which can be permanent. Heart disease and stroke are the leading cause of hospitalization and two of the three leading causes of death in Canada.

The good news is, with the right lifestyle changes, up to 80 percent of premature heart disease and stroke is preventable. Since nine out of 10 Canadians have at least one risk factor for these serious illnesses, this means that almost all of us have a good reason to make a positive change in our lives.

Things that each of us can do include eating a healthy diet, follow the recommendations from Canada’s Food Guide, be physically active. Thirty minutes most days of the week is all it takes. Quit smoking, not only will you feel better, you’ll save money. Manage stress, identify what causes your stress. Talk to friends and family and take time for yourself. Limit alcohol consumption. Better yet, cut out alcohol altogether and lead a traditional lifestyle. The lifestyle of a Dene elder is a very healthy one and we can learn a lot from people who live that way. Stay active by hunting, cutting wood and being out on the land and eating more traditional foods and less pre-packaged junk food.

There are some health issues that we cannot control. When it comes to heart disease and stroke, however, we can make small changes that will keep us healthier and living longer.

I wish all my constituents and people across the NWT success with whatever changes they make to reduce the risk of heart disease and stroke and a healthy Heart Month. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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February Heart Health Month

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Concerns With Budget Process

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The deeper I delve into the 2014-15 budget, the more confused I become. Regular Members have been given huge amounts of information in the last two weeks and instead of clarity, it has only served to confuse. It didn’t have to be this way. The Finance Minister and Cabinet could have chosen to be fulsome, clear and concise in their meetings with Regular Members, but they have been anything but.

We’ve had briefings on the government’s fiscal strategy, on the budget before us, on the status of employee positions and each briefing obfuscates the financial picture a little further. Some of the numbers we have been given refer to the 2014-15 budget that we are now reviewing, some to the next budget, 2015-16. Sometimes we hear revenues are up. Sometimes we hear revenues are down. The Finance Minister , whether by accident or by design, has made communication from himself to Regular Members incomplete and vague. Again, it doesn’t have to be this way.

The Minister of Finance is a seasoned veteran of this legislative arena. He knows full well what information Regular Members want to hear, what we want to consider to fully understand the government financial position or situation. He knows full well how to present that information so it’s easily understood, yet he seems to choose to force us to draw it out of him one small piece at a time. The latest example was yesterday when Minister Miltenberger took my question as notice, effectively putting a lid on information that Members and the public should hear.

Mrs. Groenewegen spoke yesterday about what she considers to be our inefficient process. Any blame for that has to be laid at the feet of both Cabinet and Regular Members if it’s laid anywhere. A comprehensive and frank information sharing process would go a long way to creating efficiency. A little cooperation goes a long way.

I’m so frustrated with this latest budget information process that I am almost ready to give up my attempt at bringing some accountability to the budget review and to give in to Cabinet’s budget without a fight. If that’s the goal of the Finance Minister , then that goal has been achieved. The battle has been won, but the war is far from over. Thank you.

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Concerns With Budget Process

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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2014 Paralympian Athlete Michelle Salt

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I had the pleasure of accompanying and introducing a very special guest to the students of William MacDonald School, Mildred Hall School, Range Lake School, Sir John Franklin High School and St. Patrick High School. We also had the opportunity to present there on the business community at a luncheon held at the Explorer Hotel. It is important that I thank the sponsors of all that – Advanced Medical Solutions, Unico Contracting, Northern Safety Association and First Air – for making this all possible.

This special guest was a good old girl from Alberta, born and raised. She is a fitness model, a motivational speaker, a real estate agent and an accomplished athlete. She was here to tell her story and to share her journey, a journey that started in 2011 when our guest lost her right leg in a near death motorcycle accident. She shared her story of tragedy; a story of horror, but from all this she was able to share a story of opportunity and inspiration. Our guest was none other than the recently announced only female snowboard cross athlete to represent Canada at the upcoming 2014 Paralympic Games at Sochi, Russia, and her name is Michelle Salt.

Michelle was able to provide a heartfelt display of courage and determination while speaking in our city as she inspired all of us with a message of never giving up on your dream no matter what.

It’s rare to find those individuals who defy the odds and who master great things, so it was truly an honour to be part of this community event. I know Michelle truly enjoyed her brief tour in our capital city and, like Brendan, Jesse and Michael who are finishing up in Sochi, we now have the opportunity to cheer on and follow with support this incredible athletic ambassador from Canada in the upcoming Paralympic Games. I would ask you to please join me in congratulating Michelle Salt on her miraculous journey to the 2014 Paralympic Games in Sochi, Russia. Thank you.

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2014 Paralympian Athlete Michelle Salt

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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NWT Smoking Statistics

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister of Health and Social Services tabled a document a few days ago entitled, “Health and Social Services Service System Annual Report, 2012-2013.” The title was “Measuring Success and Focusing on Results.” I believe in that. I encourage that and I promote that. I appreciate the

information. There are a lot of good stats and results that were in there; however, if I can refer people that might look at the report to priority two, the prevalence of smoking in 15-year-olds and older.

In 2002 our smoking rates in the NWT were 46 percent, which is about half the population of the Northwest Territories. You can only imagine what the costs were for care and treatment and hospital visits and the health care costs associated with that. The report outlines that in 2012-13 those results are 34 percent. A great success, and I applaud the government and I applaud all the NGOs and workers who took this on as an initiative. However, even with the great success, it is still double the national average, which is 16 percent, and there is still some work to do.

Another thing that I wanted to report that was an even greater success was that the percentage of daily smokers who reported being counselled to quit smoking by their primary care provider, by doctors, 54 percent, and by nurses, 39 percent. I just want to congratulate our health professionals for taking that extra step to help people try to quit smoking. That’s a great success in itself.

What this report doesn’t show is the stats of the prevalence of those that are under the age of 15. However, I have great confidence with programs such as My Voice, My Choice, the Not Us! campaign, the tobacco curriculum that’s in the schools, Smoke Screening. They used to have a Blast conference, but the big one is the Don’t Be A Butthead campaign. I want to recognize all those, and I know those rates, if they haven’t risen, continue to decrease.

With the last little bit of time that I have left in my Member’s statement, I would like to encourage those who are trying to quit to continue, and if you can’t quit, try to cut down. I congratulate all those who have shown such great results in this report that have made that decision to quit. Great job.

Throughout the years there have been a lot of great advocates doing this job, and too many to thank at this time. But if there was one person I’d like to thank, it is Miriam Wideman, who was probably one of the strongest advocates and one of the greatest mentors I had the opportunity to work with.

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NWT Smoking Statistics

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Moose Kerr School

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Shortly after the fall session I was asked by a constituent to bring forward questions to the Minister and this government about Moose Kerr School. Moose Kerr School is now 45 years old this year. Moose Kerr School was built around the same time as Samuel

Hearne Secondary School and also SAM School, and as we all know, those schools have been taken down and replaced. It also makes you ask the question about asbestos. That is very harmful to the health of our students, and I believe a 45-year-old school has had its purpose and it’s time to replace that piece of infrastructure. I will have questions for the Minister later today.

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Moose Kerr School

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Investing In Northern Residents

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to speak about Northerners and Aboriginals getting jobs with the Government of the Northwest Territories. But firstly, it was good to hear that the shared services and long-term Aboriginal employees were addressed in the House yesterday. This government should be investing in Aboriginals and Northerners. We should be proud to have them in our public service. I think it would be a proud day when we can finally say the GNWT has a truly representative workforce.

Sadly, well-qualified Northerners and Aboriginals, P1 candidates, are still be screened out of job competitions, so who is the government trying to hire for these new jobs, I ask. Our government is not delivering when it comes to Aboriginal employment and hiring. We should be hosting job fairs in our communities, not only down south. Yes, I know our population is low and inviting people north is a good strategy, but I simply feel that we can increase our tax base by hiring more northern and Aboriginal employees.

The government has to stop over-qualifying our entry jobs, stop minimizing the years of experience that our Northerners have, and start hiring them. Thank you very much.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Volunteers In Small Communities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to use my Member’s statement to give thanks to all the volunteers in our small communities and our communities in the Northwest Territories that, with great passion, dedication and encouragement, take their children to sporting events, hand game events, people who take time out to organize the events to get the people and rally around them to cook for young students, young people who play hockey in the hockey tournaments, or to the hand game tournaments, to the drivers, people who put up their place for people to stay. I’ve seen a lot of these people in the Sahtu region where families get together, people come together, they have a

special reunion, they support their kids, they drive on these winter roads that we have for the few months, and people who put up their homes, volunteers who cook in the schools, the refs, volunteers who keep the scores. A lot of these families do it for the enjoyment, but more so for the pleasure of the small children who not very often go to other communities to participate. Some go there for challenging themselves, some go for team competitions and compete against other students, and making friends.

I know when we were young in Fort Norman, we used to travel to Norman Wells in bombardiers to play hockey in an outdoor rink. We were just glad to get to the small community, have hamburger and fries and a can of coke, and play hockey outside, make some friends, jump back in the bombardier and travel all the way back to Fort Norman. We used to do that in the small communities because that would give us long-term friendships with our small communities.

To the parents and volunteers who encouraged us and got us out there, I want to say thank you to those who do this in our communities. I know they come out strong and they’re very proud of their communities. I want to thank you very much, because not too often we say thank you to the hardworking volunteers who make those events very successful in the communities of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Ywca Transitional Housing

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to quote a story from the YWCA’s most recent newsletter, which I will table later today. The title is “Living at Rockhill: It made a big difference being here.”

The

article reads:

“My boyfriend and I were living at the Ptarmigan Apartments with our son. He’s now two and a half. Rent was $1,675 a month and we started getting behind. Only one of us was working because we couldn’t afford daycare at $800 per month plus rent.

I heard about the Transitional Housing Program and called. They gave us the opportunity of living in an emergency unit for three months so we could catch up on bills. That did the trick, and then we moved into a one-bedroom transitional unit. That was lucky because they don’t always have openings and you have to go somewhere else.

It’s made a big difference being here. It allowed me to have the programs offered here, it’s given us time to save up money because we’re going

to move south in a few months. Anything you need, anything you want to talk about, the staff is always there for us.

I learned how to cook, how to be a better parent, how to have more patience, how to take responsibility for money. I make a pretty mean meatloaf.

The staff work with you, how to budget, how to save money, show you crafts, cooking and computers. They’ll help with resumes and looking for jobs.

We’re starting over in Red Deer at the end of May. My boyfriend has some family there. We’re going to find jobs and stay with a friend there for a couple of days.

I am way less stressed now. I used to be pretty stressed out all the time about money and bills, making sure everything was paid and making sure there was food on the table. It’s hard if you are a young family.”

Mr. Speaker, I brought this up to illustrate two points. I want to recognize the work of the YWCA and other non-government organizations that are working so hard to help families like this one. They are doing excellent work, often with shoestring budgets, low salaries and no forced-growth funding.

Secondly, this story is a perfect example of what I was talking about yesterday and the day before as we were reviewing the Housing Corporation. Working people cannot make a decent living here and they are leaving. How would this story have been different if we had affordable daycare, or transitional housing actually transitioned into affordable housing?

I will have questions later today for the Minister. Mahsi.

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Ywca Transitional Housing

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Recognition Of Chambers Of Commerce

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to speak on a slightly lighter note today and send a shout out to those business owners in the Northwest Territories who involve themselves in their local chambers of commerce.

As we speak today, the NWT chamber executive is down in Hay River meeting with the Hay River Chamber of Commerce. Both of these organizations I’m very familiar with, having had the honour of serving as the president of the Hay River chamber for a number of years and president of the NWT chamber for a number of years. However, that does seem like a lifetime ago.

I’d like to congratulate the newly elected board of directors of the Hay River Chamber of Commerce. That organization has a very long and proud tradition in our community, and businesspeople, as everyone knows, are busy people, but I appreciate the fact that they take time out of their

schedule to get together to come up with a unified and collective voice on behalf of the interests of the private sector and the business community and, indeed, do often offer input and insight on the private sector to this government as well.

So, later today I will be joining my colleague from Hay River North and thanking our Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment for coming to join us and speak at our chamber gala event tonight in Hay River. We will be going down there to enjoy the company of some Hay River and some NWT Chamber of Commerce representatives.

I’d like to just again send commendation and a congratulation out to the business members who do work together to make these organizations very successful. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition Of Chambers Of Commerce

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Before we start today, I’d like to start off first. I’d like to welcome Chief Ernest Betsina, chief of YK Dene First Nation and Ndilo, who is here in the gallery. Welcome today, Mr. Betsina. I’d also like to welcome Cathy Cockney, Ms. Agnes Kuptana, and my aunt, Evelyn Storr. Welcome to the House.

Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] I would like to recognize our guests. It is the language group. They’ve been working on language development for many years. Today they are having a meeting and they’re here for a brief visit. I’ll tell you their names.

From the NWT Metis Nation, Vance Sanderson, Leah Desjarlais; and also for Akaitcho Territory, Chief Ernest Betsina is here to represent the Akaitcho, interpreter Mary Rose Sundberg is also with that group; and Betty Grandjambe from Sahtu; Deline First Nation’s Pauline Roach; and for the Deh Cho region we have Violet Jumbo; IRC is represented by Cathy Cockney and Evelyn Storr; for the Tlicho Government we have Wendy Mantla and Celine Zoe; and Laura Tutcho from ECE. I’d like to welcome all to the Legislative Assembly.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d also like to recognize a couple of Weledeh constituents, Chief Ernest Betsina and Mary Rose Sundberg. I’d

also like to recognize and thank all of the folks that are working on the language groups. That’s very important work that they’re doing and I very much appreciate that. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Mr. Blake .

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize one of my constituents, Evelyn Storr. I would also like to thank her for all the years that she has been the SAO in Aklavik. I wish her all the best in her new role at the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I would like to recognize two of our Sahtu Pages from Fort Good Hope, Melina Tobac and Taylor Kaskamin, and all the other Pages doing a wonderful job taking care of us. I would also like to recognize some of the constituents from the Sahtu, Pauline Roche and Betty Grandjambe; and also a resident now of Yellowknife, Laura Tutcho; and also the other language members who are doing our good work, specifically Agnes Kuptana and Samuel Hearne schoolmate Cathy Cockney and also the chief of Ndilo. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, as well, would like to take an opportunity to recognize some constituents, an opportunity that doesn’t often befall out-of-Yellowknife MLAs, Vance Sanderson, Leah Desjarlais and Ria Coleman. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . I would like to welcome all the visitors here in the gallery today. Thank you for taking the time to come watch our daily proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up with my statement earlier today with questions to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . We are making some progress on transitional housing here in Yellowknife. We have the Bailey House, transitional housing run by the YWCA, and the Betty House is under construction.

Could the Minister remind us what the Housing Corporation’s understanding of the purpose of these transitional housing units is? Mahsi.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Minister of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The purpose of these transitional houses is to get people to transition, if they’re homeless or if they need a temporary place, to move into transitional housing, from there either try to get into the public housing or market housing or homeownership. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister. That’s my understanding too. The clients that are accepted into transitional housing are generally not well off financially. They may have even been homeless in the recent past.

Given that situation, where does the Minister think that these people are going to transition to after just a few months? Mahsi.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, the Member is correct. The people that are in these units, our hope is to see them transition, I think, in most cases, into the public housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, these people are trying to turn their lives around. They have taken the first steps, but then they find themselves at a dead end.

Could the Minister confirm that the Housing Corporation has integrated its programs with the Transitional Housing programs, and that clients in transitional housing will be prioritized for appropriate public housing above the clients who are homeless who could then be put into transitional housing? Mahsi.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, as far as prioritizing them, we have a point rating system to get into public housing. There are a number of things that are taken into consideration: crowding of their current housing, the housing condition that they are living in now, affordability of their current housing. There are also some other factors that are taken into consideration like the income, the length of time that they’ve been on the waiting list and whether they are a victim of family violence or have a disability or any kind of health condition.

There are a number of factors that are taken into consideration when the local public housing authorities do the point rating system, and obviously being in a transitional home, they would be point rated like everyone else because we have to ensure that all factors are taken into consideration when public housing is being allocated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The result is that those in transitional housing have to choose to be homeless

and put themselves in very risky situations in order to get on the public housing list.

The Housing Corporation has a new program to assist with rental payments, which is great, but I was surprised to learn that clients that pay $1,400 per month to live in the YWCA’s rental units are not eligible. It is hardly surprising that people end up leaving the territory.

Again, why is the Housing Corporation setting up barriers to people who are trying to transition to a better life?

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

People have to realize that by making themselves homeless, I mean, they’re still given certain points, but I would encourage people not to make themselves homeless thinking that it gives them an opportunity to get to the top of the list because, as I’ve said before, there are many factors that we take into consideration.

I don’t believe that the Housing Corporation puts up barriers. I think, if anything, the Housing Corporation eliminates some of those barriers by having people more eligible for a lot of the programs that we have. With the Rent Supplement Program, it’s a fantastic program and we’re having good uptake on it across the Northwest Territories. It’s for market rental, and the folks in some of these transition homes, the homes are already subsidized. We provide some assistance to these homes, so it’s more geared towards the market rental side of it.

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Question 158-17(5): Transitional Housing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I just want to follow up on my Member’s statement on Aboriginals and Northerners getting employment with our government. More specifically, constituents are contacting me. They’re telling me that a lot of the entry-level positions, they seem to be overqualified as well as they’re being screened out because they’re not being credited for their years of service. I understand, and perhaps the Minister of Human Resources can answer the question, when they have years of service it kind of qualifies for education equivalency. Maybe the Minister can explain that to me.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Directly related experience sometimes can be used as equivalencies. When the departments do a job description, in the process of advertising a position then they put in the qualifications, and the minimum qualifications are used to advertise jobs, so an individual that has lot of experience but no

education, if the experience they have accumulated over the years of public service is not directly related or does not enhance their possibility of doing the position that’s being advertised then those qualifications would not be considered equivalencies.

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

The Minister touched on it briefly. It’s still not clear. Is it three years of experience is equivalent to some type of education level or programming or degree? Perhaps the Minister can answer that.

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

With our Regional Recruitment Strategy, if there is directly related experience, that would be then viewed very closely by the department and the Department of Human Resources when developing equivalencies for a position. If an individual is applying for a job in accounting and does have directly related accounting experience but maybe not the education, then we may use the Regional Recruitment Strategy, and the department may say that this directly related experience would be considered an equivalency, and then that person could be put in the job at that point.

But it’s very difficult to speak on this issue unless it’s very specific, because some things may appear to be directly related but there may be some specifics in the actual job description that do not directly fit, but that is what we’re trying to achieve. Thank you.

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

The Minister somewhat clearly described the process of equivalencies, but my issue is that I have three files in my constituency where people have been screened out. They do have the years of experience, some certification. More specifically, it was an accounting clerk position, an entry-level position in our government yet they wanted three years of business management and a bunch of experience. No wonder people are frustrated with trying to get a job within our government.

Can the Minister explain why entry-level jobs have such a high qualification? I know that when somebody gets into a job, they learn the environment, they learn their job, they can be very good employees, but it’s a matter of getting our people in the door. Thank you.

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, the departments across the GNWT use the Hay Plan system to evaluate jobs. Essentially when there is a job that is required and the department has put out a job description, that job is then matched with what type of qualifications would be needed in advance, before the job is ever advertised.

Our goal – and we are actively trying to develop that goal – is to try to match the individuals in the communities to these jobs as much as possible. It is unfortunate that so many people that feel they have qualifications and may be close to what they’re applying for are being screened out. We

would certainly like to hear specifically about those. We know we’ve heard of a couple that we’re working on now to determine exactly what has occurred, but the idea is exactly what the Member is requesting, that we would bring people that have qualifications that are close, not exactly matching, to train them, using regional recruitment to train them to bring them into those positions. Thank you.

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I guess another issue that’s directly related to this is that we have 570 job vacancies in our government, 21 of them in Fort Simpson alone, but it appears that there are three or four of them advertised. Those impacted employees who are going through the shared services reorganization certainly have first priority at those. The Aboriginals and Northerners in my communities want to apply on jobs but they’re limited. There are 21 positions in Simpson.

What are the Minister and this government doing about getting those jobs out in the public system and getting people to apply on them? Thank you.

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I’m working with the Department of HR to deal with all of the departments. We are taking a very close look at what’s happening with 575 positions that are to be staffed.

As the Member can appreciate, we can’t put 571 jobs out there at some stage of vacancy. Some would be just recently vacant. Well, that was back in October, but when you take a snapshot, some have been recently vacant and not out for advertisement yet. Some are going through advertisement, some are being temporarily filled by a casual, a transfer assignment, or some are in the offer stage and some are waiting for an appeal. So there is a spectrum that we have to look at the 571 positions, but we are working with the departments and we are confident that departments are moving through all of those positions and trying to fill them. Thank you.

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Question 159-17(5): Regional Recruitment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I was asking about Moose Kerr School, so I have questions for the Minister of Education . As I mentioned, the school is 45 years old and built around the time that asbestos was used in many of the buildings.

I’d like to ask the Minister, has the school been tested for asbestos? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. We work closely with PWS when it comes to these assets in the communities such as schools. There is scheduled regular maintenance and upgrades to the educational facilities, so they remain in good standing. We have to be up to code on all schools. So if there is such an asbestos issue, then we would be proactive and work on it with PWS and put in mitigating measures to deal with that.

At this point, it hasn’t been brought to my attention if it is an issue, but those are just some of the areas we are working closely on with PWS. Mahsi.

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

As I mentioned, the school is 45 years old. So I’d like to ask the Minister, at what point do these schools or any other buildings get replaced? Thank you.

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

This particular school was built and constructed in 1969. Again, there was a major, major retrofit in 1999 and since 2008, 2012 we’ve spent well over $2 million upgrading this facility. So we are on top of the renovation.

But at the same time, first on a typical capital planning cycle, Moose Kerr School will be scheduled for replacement or renovation in 2019. That is the overall plan and this is 20 years from the date of the last major renovation. Mahsi.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

I see that the Minister has said that this building is due for replacement in 2019. So I’d like to ask the Minister, is the school on the red flag list? Thank you.

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

As I mentioned earlier, it is scheduled for replacement or renovation in 2019. This is an area that we need to work on the Member. We’ll continue to work with the DEA pertaining to that.

When the time is close, we’ll definitely work towards that as part of the capital planning process. Mahsi.

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

It has been identified over the last couple of years here that we need to do things differently. One thing we’re lacking in our small communities is quality education like automotives and carpentry and welding, those kinds of facilities in our schools. I’d like to ask the Minister, will he ensure that that building is replaced and have those facilities at hand? Thank you.

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Those are discussions that we will be having through the education renewal innovation. As you know, one of the pillars is to focus on small communities. The discussions we’re going to be having today until we develop the action plan with the work of the DEAs

and the Aboriginal leadership, this is an area that will be targeted, the small community schools. By this summer we should have a clear idea of which communities we’ll be working closely with pertaining to these schools, what kind of programs should be delivered, upgrading and enhancing our programming. It will be part of the education renewal innovation process when we develop the action plan.

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Question 160-17(5): Moose Kerr School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty .The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of MACA . I talked about the hard work and the efforts of the many volunteers in the Northwest Territories. Is there a register that lists the volunteers in the North?

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our volunteers are a very important part of communities as the Member pointed out. Through my role as Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs we have an opportunity to recognize a lot of the hard work that the volunteers are doing through the award program we have every year and this year we’ll be having it during the NWTAC again. Nominations come in, people nominate a lot of their local volunteers and then we honour them at the NWTAC’s annual general meeting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Certainly, it’s a good thing that this government, through this department, does celebrate and recognize the many volunteers in the Northwest Territories.

Is there a registered list of volunteers per region or the Northwest Territories as a whole, so we know how many people are registered as a volunteer for the many events that they volunteer for throughout the Northwest Territories?

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

As far as a territorial-wide volunteers list, not to my knowledge is there anything like that that exists; however, in every community for local events they do know within the community who is always volunteering for different events. As far as a territorial-wide list, I don’t know of one. Thank you.

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The reason why I’ve asked for a registered volunteer list is because we are so busy throughout the year with the hand games in Whati or Tulita or Fort Good Hope, or tournaments we have throughout the year in Inuvik, Norman Wells or Deline or Yellowknife or Hay River that at the end of the year we can see the number of volunteers that contributed to making these events

successful. That way we can get a percentage of the number of volunteers that we have in our communities, regions and even the Northwest Territories.

I want to know if that is something the Minister would consider through his department as to a registered list of volunteers for NWT events.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Again, that would be something that would be awfully difficult to do because if you got a territorial-wide volunteers list, I think a lot of people would have trouble putting their name on it because they do volunteer a lot in their community. Within the different regions across the Northwest Territories, they have volunteers that help out with all events that take place. Again, as I said before, everyone in the communities and regions know who the pool of volunteers is.

I must also point out – and I failed to mention it before – MACA just announced last year at the NWTAC AGM in Hay River, we support communities, honouring their volunteers with $1,000 to help go towards some kind of a community event. I know there are some volunteers who take advantage of it and some communities that do an excellent job of honouring people in their community. I think that’s something we try to encourage as a department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I certainly have seen the contributions of $1,000 going into the Sahtu communities to honour their volunteers. I know in the small communities, we know who the volunteers are who naturally show up and do things. Other ones don’t like to be recognized, but they will do their

part in any type of event. For example, we had the hand games in Tulita with the young people, they had a lot of volunteers there. We had the Sahtu Cup in Norman Wells, a lot of volunteers in Norman Wells to host that.

I guess I wanted to see if there was a registered list of volunteers. People don’t really want to put their names on it, but just to show at the end of the year we have 600 or 700 volunteers in the Sahtu, or maybe more, just to show a number and show the importance of volunteers. I’m not too sure how far my request this morning will be pursued in the Department of MACA. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We’ve heard from the volunteers who get the awards at award ceremonies that the last thing they want is to draw any attention to themselves. That’s what makes it a pretty special group because they don’t do it for the recognition is what they always say. They just like helping out their communities.

As far as an official list goes, I suppose during the end of the year, a couple of phone calls to each region saying how many people did you have volunteer instead of putting an official list together, just some numbers. I think they will be quite high. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 161-17(5): Recognizing Community Volunteers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 162-17(5): Southern Treatment Facilities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask some questions to the Minister of the Department of Health and Social Services today. It is with regard to some of our most vulnerable clientele who have low incomes and are probably not ready for when we send some of our residents down to out-of-jurisdiction treatment facilities. I’d like to ask the Minister, him personally as the Minister of Health and Social Services , is he familiar with the type of environment and atmosphere that our residents and people in care who get treatment, the physical environment, that our residents will be going into when we do send them down for treatment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 162-17(5): Southern Treatment Facilities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 162-17(5): Southern Treatment Facilities

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did have the opportunity to travel with some members of committee to one of the facilities we have a contract with, Poundmaker’s in Alberta, just outside of Edmonton. I am familiar with that facility. The other three facilities that were contracted, too, I haven’t had an opportunity to visit or tour. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

The Minister hasn’t had that opportunity, so I’m assuming some of our physicians and counsellors probably didn’t have that opportunity as well. When we’re preparing our clients who are getting treatment for addictions counselling or some type of other issue, how does this government prepare our residents and our clients who are going down south for treatment for some of the things they might see? When you get into the cities, there are more hard-core addicts, there are people who have lived other lifestyles that don’t connect or relate to the type of life we live up here in the Northwest Territories.

How do we, as a government, prepare these residents when we don’t even know what we’re sending them down to? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

The professionals we have in our system who are working with our residents are aware, for the most part, of the types of services and programming that are offered in each of the different facilities in the South. They do

share that information with the residents before they go off for treatment.

On a few other points, we do work with our residents before they go down to make sure they have follow-up appointments back in the North, so when they do come back we can work with them to customize after-care. So we do have discussions with them before they go down and we do help them understand the types of programming that is offered at the different facilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 162-17(5): Southern Treatment Facilities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I do understand the process and appreciate that the government takes that step. However, some of these individuals might be from a small community and have never been to a city before and had those types of interactions.

Does the government have a division or one point of contact that can, on a regular basis or on a weekly basis, follow up with our clients down south to see how the program is going, how the individual is doing or if they are thinking of leaving, continue to encourage and support them to stay in the program? Obviously it is a lot of money and we do want to make sure they receive the proper care and treatment that they need, because of the lack of resources we have up here in the Northwest Territories.

Does the government have a point of contact to follow up with these individuals? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

One of the things that we do know is that every individual is different and every individual has different needs and expectations. That’s why one of the reasons we put in a variety of different treatment options for individuals from on-the land programs and hopefully we’ll be moving forward and have some success with mobile treatment options as well as facilities. The bottom line is supports will vary depending on the client’s individual needs and arrangement that have been made with that client prior to going down for treatment. So, individually we can have custom plans to have regular contact or, if it’s not necessary, more of a follow-up contact. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 162-17(5): Southern Treatment Facilities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 162-17(5): Southern Treatment Facilities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In some cases, our clientele and residents can’t really take the type of treatment or the facility or even the clientele that they’re housed with.

In the worst-case scenario, if a person were to leave the residential treatment facility, does this government offer some type of support service to get them back home to their communities in a safe and timely manner?

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Arrangements for travel are made through the medical travel Stanton office. The Stanton Territorial Hospital and the Department of Health and Social Services pays for travel and accommodation costs for when individuals are going out for treatment referred by the government. Currently, the medical travel office has put in place guidelines that denies travel assistance home when an individual leaves treatment early. If they complete their training they would be covered.

This was only recently brought to the department’s attention, and I have directed the department to ensure that this guideline is changed immediately to ensure that return airfare is paid by the Department of Health and Social Services whether or not the client has successfully concluded their treatment. We have recognized the challenge and we have fixed it, and we will make sure that people are aware.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I listened with interest to his statement yesterday about the impact of funding reallocation for junior kindergarten on the pupil-teacher ratio. I’d like to follow up with a few questions to the Minister.

There is some good stuff in here. There’s some bad stuff in the statement, but the statement suggests to me that it’s okay to financially penalize bigger schools to protect the funding of schools with less than 120 students. I understand that, but I also want to say that I don’t necessarily agree with the Minister on that, but I do want to say that I very much appreciate the recognition on the part of the Minister and the department that Yellowknife education authorities will suffer significantly with the proposed funding reductions.

I’d like to know from the Minister, in terms of his commitment to make sure that Yellowknife education authorities don’t go over 16 to 1, I’d like to ask the Minister, first off, when will that commitment kick in? Will it be in the first year of reduced funding, the second year or the third year when junior kindergarten is introduced?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Education , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. When we’re rolling out the junior kindergarten, it’s for the whole Northwest Territories and the 33 communities that we service. There is phase one, phase two, phase three year approach, and obviously, Yellowknife will get the third year

implementation of the junior kindergarten, so we’re making sure, and I made a commitment in the House yesterday, anything above and beyond the 16 to 1 level, that PTR level, my department will be subsidizing them. We’re going to be monitoring that, and it’s not only in Yellowknife, it’s all the educational authorities that could be on the verge of 16 to 1 in the later years. Those are areas that we’re going to be closely monitoring.

This is a great initiative from our department. We’re getting a lot of positive feedback and we need to move forward. That’s what we’ve been told by parents, and we are moving forward on this.

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I do want to move forward, as well, but I don’t want to move forward at the expense of some education authorities. I appreciate that the department is monitoring, but I did ask the Minister when this commitment will start. If an education authority goes over the 16 to 1 PTR in the very first year that their funding is reduced, is that when the commitment kicks in?

The other part of this is I would like to know from the Minister if this commitment is ongoing, so once we get beyond the implementation of junior kindergarten and something changes so an education authority goes over the 16 to 1 PTR, is this commitment also going to kick in in the future?

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

This is an area that we have made a commitment to, that on average, none of the school boards will be over 16 to 1, on the average territorial. At the same time, those individual education authorities, as the Member indicated, year one, year two, year three, some will be just slightly over and those will be mitigated through the subsidy that I have highlighted.

The Member is also asking if it’s going to be on a continuous basis. When we roll out the junior kindergarten and start implementing that, then the funding will be based on their enrolment as well. The larger the student population, then they’ll be receiving additional funding, more funding from our department. At the territorial level, the 16 to 1 will be under, but we will continue to subsidize those individual school boards that may be over 16 to 1.

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for the clarification. I take from that that, yes, this is going to be ongoing. I still didn’t really hear when this commitment is going to start, but I think it’s going to start when the 16 to 1 is exceeded.

The Minister, in his statement, referred to pupil-teacher ratio for authorities, and in authorities that have a number of schools, pupil-teacher ratio can vary from school to school, so I’d like to ask the Minister, when they were deciding on this commitment to fund people beyond 16 to 1 ratio, did they consider evaluating pupil-teacher ratio by

school? Did they determine the impact on each school not necessarily on the authority alone?

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

To my understanding, the information that we have received within my department working with the school boards on compiling all the information, we work closely with the school boards so we can access their information, as well, so they can share the information with us, so we can compare. If it’s based on per school or per educational authority, those are areas that the education authorities need to work with us. The information that we have we’ve compiled based on the projected enrolment. Phase one, phase two, year three approach is all projected on the student enrolment over a three-year period, so based on that the pupil-teacher ratio has been formula funded.

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I didn’t really hear an answer to my question, so I’d like to ask the Minister if he, with all this information that’s been compiled between the department and the education authorities, would he commit to providing to me and to other Members a school-by-school indication of pupil-teacher ratio as it stands now in each school in the territory?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I will commit to the Members that the information that we’ve compiled to date on the pupil-teacher ratio across the Northwest Territories will be shared with the Members.

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Question 163-17(5): Impact Of Junior Kindergarten On Pupil-Teacher Ratio

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. The Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Tabled Document 44-17(5): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 4, 2013-14 Tabled Document 45-17(5): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2014-2015

Tabling of Documents

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following two documents, entitled “Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 4, 2013-2014” and “Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2014-2015.”

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Tabled Document 46-17(5):

Summary Of Members’ Absences For The Period October 17, 2013 To February 4, 2014

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Pursuant to

Section 5 of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, I wish to table the

Summary of Members’ Absences for the Period of October 17, 2013, to February 4, 2014.

Mr. Bromley .

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Tabled Document 47-17(5): Wise Words, Volume 4, Issue No. 2, January 2014

Tabling of Documents

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As per my earlier notice, I’d like to table Wise Words, Volume 4, Issue No. 2, January 2014.

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Tabled Document 47-17(5): Wise Words, Volume 4, Issue No. 2, January 2014

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Bill 11: Petroleum Resources Act

Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Monday, February 24, 2014, I will move that Bill 11, Petroleum Resources Act, be read for the first time.

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Bill 11: Petroleum Resources Act

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Bill 10: Northwest Territories Lands Act

First Reading of Bills

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Monfwi , that Bill 10, Northwest Territories Lands Act , be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill 10: Northwest Territories Lands Act

First Reading of Bills

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Bill 10, Northwest Territories Lands Act , has had first reading.

---Carried

Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters, with Mr. Dolynny in the chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Daryl Dolynny

I’d like to call Committee of the Whole to order. We have a

number of items to consider: Bill 5,

An Act to Amend the Motor Vehicles Act ; Tabled Document 4-17(5) and Tabled Document 22-17(5). What is the wish of the committee today? Ms. Bisaro .

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We wish to continue with Tabled Document 22-17(5), the Main Estimates for 2014-15, with the Department of Health and Social Services.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

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Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Is the committee agreed?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Daryl Dolynny

Thank you. We will commence after a short break.

---SHORT RECESS

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

I will call Committee of the Whole back to order. Yesterday when we left off, we were on the Department of Health and Social Services main estimates on page 8-9. At this time I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if he’d like to bring the witnesses into the Chamber.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I would, Madam Chair.

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Jane Groenewegen

Agreed?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. I will ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to please escort the witnesses to the table.

I’d like to ask the Minister if he’d like to again introduce his witnesses, for the record. Mr. Abernethy .

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. With me today are Jeannie Mathison, director of finance with the Department of Health and Social Services; and Debbie DeLancey, the deputy minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Abernethy . Again, if I could turn your attention, please, to page 8-9, Department of Health and Social Services, information item, revenue

summary. Are there any questions? Agreed?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

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Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Page 8-10, information item, active position

summary. Agreed? Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. If the Minister could just clarify, we have 173 full-time positions in this activity

summary. Are these funded active positions? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Thank you. Mr. Abernethy .

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Great Slave

Yes, Madam Chair.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s comment. Are there any of those 173 positions that are inactive positions? Thank you.

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