Debates of Feb. 21st, 2007

This is page numbers 1063 - 1110 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Tlicho Road Studies

Candidate Protected Areas In The Sahtu Region

Lessons Learned From Resource Developments In Nauru

Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Residency Requirements Under The Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

Resource Revenue Sharing Negotiations

Special Needs Of Children Born With Autism

Legal Authority To Control NWT Lands And Resources

Property Tax Arrears

Workers' Compensation Board Chronic Pain Policy

Legal Authority To Control NWT Lands And Resources

Appointment Process For Federal Judges

Candidate Protection Areas In The Sahtu Region

Security Of The Re-supply Of Fuels To Northern Communities

Housing Programs To Assist Families With Children Suffering From Autism

Appointment Process For Federal Judges

Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Resource Revenue Sharing Negotiations

Territorial Land Use Plans

Property Tax Arrears

Residency Requirement Under The Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

Candidate Protected Areas In The Sahtu Region

Legislative Priorities

Resource Development Employment Opportunities For Northerners

Corporate Efforts With Aboriginal Government To Address Impacts Of Resource Development

Income Support Clients

Sahtu Region Protected Areas

Sahtu Region Roads And Bridges

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Tabled Document 103-15(5): Northwest Territories Law Foundation 24th Annual Report

Item 16: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 17: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 19: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod, Hon. Kevin Menicoche , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Menicoche .

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Minister's Statement 75-15(5): Tlicho Road Studies

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to report on a number of studies the Department of Transportation has or will be completing under a new agreement that will help move forward the planning to improve road access into the Tlicho.

As we all know, the only year-round access to the three Tlicho communities of Whati, Gameti and Wekweeti is by air. Access is augmented for approximately two months during the winter road season. The provision and reliability of this seasonal access is being increasingly challenged by climate change and resulting warmer winters.

Mr. Speaker, the department last year completed a Tlicho Corridors Options Study which looked at winter road and all-weather road corridor options in the Tlicho. The department also completed an economic analysis of the benefits and costs of both realigning the Tlicho winter road to an overland route and upgrading the seasonal route to an all-weather standard. The economic analysis established that improved road access would have a number of direct benefits to Tlicho residents including:

• enhanced inter-community travel and access to services for residents;

• reduced resupply costs and improved resupply options;

• employment, training and contracting opportunities during winter road and all-weather road construction and maintenance; and

• improved opportunities for road-based tourism travel.

Improved road access could also reduce costs for resource development projects in the Tlicho and possibly other areas of the Northwest Territories.

This earlier work has set the context for two new studies, one to detail environmental impacts and the other to identify engineering issues including what alignment a road would take and at what cost.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise that these studies are not being initiated through a partnership involving the

Department of Transportation, the federal government, the Tlicho Government and private industry. The federal department of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada has agreed to provide $460,000 towards the estimated cost for these studies. Matching funding will be provided by the Tlicho Government, industry and the Department of Transportation. These studies are expected to be completed later this year. Once completed and assessed, they will form the basis of our next steps and approach to the federal government to improve road access to Tlicho communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 75-15(5): Tlicho Road Studies

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Candidate Protected Areas In The Sahtu Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my Member's statement today is about candidate protected areas in the Sahtu: Sayou and Edacho and the Ts'ude niline Tu'eyeta ramparts and the wetlands, Mr. Speaker, of Fort Good Hope.

Mr. Speaker, delegations from Deline and Fort Good Hope travelled to Ottawa last month to meet with the federal Minister of Environment , the Honourable John Baird. The delegations from Deline included Chief Charlie Neyelle, Raymond Taniton, Morris Neyelle, and Andrew John Kenny. The delegation from Fort Good Hope included Arthur Tobac, acting-chief Lucy Jackson, Henry Tobac and Harold Cook. I congratulate them on their hard work in Ottawa.

Mr. Speaker, their message to Minister Baird was clear, with the fast pace and scale of development taking place and being proposed for the NWT, communities need their most important lands protected before it's too late. Conservation priorities must advance at an equally fast pace. We urge the Minister of Environment to move forward on the permanent protection of Sayou and Edacho and interim protection for Ts'ude niline Tu'eyeta ramparts and wetlands.

In 1998, the Minister of Canadian Heritage designated Sayou and Edacho as a national historic site. This designation recognizes the contribution of these areas to our collective Canadian heritage, but it does not protect the values for which the areas were designated. It does not protect the land.

Mr. Speaker, there has been important progress; however, Deline and Parks Canada have been unable to secure the budgetary support necessary. Last month, the

community of Deline urged the Minister of Environment to work closely with his colleagues in the federal Cabinet to secure the necessary long-term funding to permanently protect Sayou and Edacho.

Mr. Speaker, the community of Fort Good Hope has been working with the NWT Protected Areas Strategy to move the Ts'ude niline Tu'eyeta to protection since 2001. In 2006, Environment Canada submitted an application for interim land withdrawals to Indian and Northern Affairs on behalf of Fort Good Hope. The community is waiting for approval for interim protection.

Mr. Speaker, I heard Premier Handley speaking on the radio on February 7th about the most recent trip to Ottawa. He is saying that he spoke with Prime Minister Harper about the shared belief that there must be a balanced approach to developing the Northwest Territories and some areas must be protected for environmental...

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Candidate Protected Areas In The Sahtu Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Yakeleya , your time for Member's statement has expired.

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Candidate Protected Areas In The Sahtu Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Candidate Protected Areas In The Sahtu Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, share this belief, Mr. Speaker, but belief is not enough. It is time to put some actions behind this belief. I urge all levels of government to move forward with concrete actions to implement their protected area commitments in the Northwest Territories including the Sahtu region completing interim protection for the land parts of wetlands in securing federal funding for permanent protection and cooperation of management of the Sayou and Edacho. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Lessons Learned From Resource Developments In Nauru

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Northwest Territories, we are struggling to better balance the issue of resource development in a strong economy with protection of the environment. This is a critical issue. Around the world, there are examples of what happens if you don't do this right. There is one island country in Oceania, a small island country by the name of Nauru. It used to be called Pleasant Island when it was first stumbled across by the western sailors. It was everybody's idea of a tropical paradise with lush forests, water, plentiful fish, wildlife, very self-sustained. The islanders had been living there for over 3,000 years.

In 1907, it found out that the island was rich with phosphates. Since that time, deals were made with industry. Australia played a very key role in this. They effectively strip mined the island. Eighty percent of it has been virtually destroyed. Twenty percent of it is under enormous pressure. At one point briefly, the islanders were given money. At one point, they were at the highest per capita income of anybody in the world. They had a bank account of about $800 million. But now, in 2007, the money is gone. The island is basically destroyed. The vegetation is gone. The water no longer exists.

The wildlife is gone. The surrounding fish and ocean has been so badly polluted by the dust and the strip mining that it no longer sustains much effective life. The islanders are broke. They are becoming, with a few dollars that are left, dependent on the good will of another country, Australia, to survive. They have traded their heritage for money. The money left was spent, bad decisions were made and other costs.

They lost sight of the need to protect the value of their environment, the value of the trees, the land, the water, the fish, the game, and their heritage where they lived for thousands of years is gone.

There is an important lesson for us there, Mr. Speaker. We have a big territory, but we can't take for granted that the environment will be there if we don't look after it, if we don't protect the water, the land, and balance those pressures against resource development. That is a lesson that Nauru can teach us. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to the wonders of modern technology, Google Earth, if you go on there, you could actually go to this island and you can look and you can cross-section across it. Take a look at what has happened. So this is not just an abstract issue. It is one that is real and you could actually go on and take a look at what people have done and what happens when bad decisions are made. It is something that we have to keep in mind as we forge ahead. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice advised the House in October 2006, he would consider introducing legislation to implement the bill on Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act, SCAN, in the February/March 2007 session. In late November 2006, the Minister provided a consultation paper on SCAN to the Members and public for review and comment on the discussion paper. Mr. Speaker, subsequently, the Department of Justice held public hearings on the consultation paper on SCAN in the larger centres in late November and December of 2006.

It should be noted that the communities outside of larger centres were invited to send two delegates to attend the public hearings, but given the time of this to travel, the Beaufort communities could not send any delegates to participate.

Mr. Speaker, this concern was raised by the leaders of the Beaufort-Delta at the annual Beaufort-Delta Regional Council meeting in Inuvik in mid-December 2006. I also received an invitation from the Hamlet of Tuk to attend the

regular council meeting on February 7, 2007, but because session was to begin, I committed to discuss the consultation paper with them at a later date.

Mr. Speaker, at first glance, the front-line workers and non-government workers in Tuk are in support of this proposed legislation on SCAN through the consultation document. So they should be, Mr. Speaker, for it does address concerns in the communities. I understand the Department of Justice has reviewed and compiled what they heard at the public hearings and may be preparing a legislative proposal during the February/March 2007 session. Mr.

Speaker, I am prepared to move forward on the legislative proposal on SCAN, but would like the Minister to ensure the Standing Committee on Social Programs has ample time to take the legislation on the road for full public review. We owe it to the residents of the Northwest Territories to further comment on the proposed legislation should it come before us.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Justice at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Residency Requirements Under The Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The concept of residency is something that we consider in many different aspects of our business, law-making and our program development here, Mr. Speaker. A few come to mind, and there is quite a range of qualifications here depending on what kind of a program or what kind of criteria we are setting up. For instance, Mr. Speaker, if you live in the NWT for three months, you can become qualified for a health care card. In one year, you can become eligible to vote in territorial or municipal elections. But it takes you two years' residency, I understand, to get a resident hunting licence.

One of the other aspects of residency, Mr. Speaker, is that we have tried to use it as a basis for helping grow our population and get stability in the onset of bringing new development up here. One illustration of this, Mr. Speaker, is that the Snap Lake agreement that the government has negotiated calls for people to be residents of the NWT for six months in order to be counted as a northern hire to go against the commitment that De Beers has made in their socio-economic agreement with us. But it is interesting to note, Mr.

Speaker, that in this context of enabling the North to truly benefit from some aspects of big development, the socio-economic agreement that we just signed off with the Mackenzie Valley pipeline proponents sees us yet again toying with the aspect of residency. One of the criteria here, Mr. Speaker, is that there essentially has to be no proof of residency before someone can be declared a northern hire.

Mr. Speaker, here again, we have lowered our standards. We have given in to the needs and the demands of the world's biggest corporations. We have compromised the interests of northerners and our communities in the name of expediency. Why, Mr. Speaker, are we playing so fast and loose with things that are so important to our communities?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Resource Revenue Sharing Negotiations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand again today to speak on the subject that I have become quite passionate about. That subject, Mr. Speaker, is our lack of resource royalty sharing deal. Mr. Speaker, it is said that surplus wealth is a sacred trust which its possessor is bound to administer in his lifetime for the good of the community. We are in possession of a sacred trust, and we have to administer it in our lifetime for the good of our community, which is the Northwest Territories and its future.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Special Needs Of Children Born With Autism

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to share with my colleagues today a situation that is currently at play with a constituent and her two children. My constituent is a single mother who has two children, a daughter who is two years old and a boy who is three. Her son is autistic. Because of the needs of her son, she cannot work. His care is a 24-hour-a-day job. Obviously, without the ability to work, she and her children are in need of social housing. Social housing is not designed nor does it allow for special provisions when a child with special needs is involved. Mr. Speaker, I would like to mention some examples of what my constituent is up against each and every day in her household.

Her son bangs his head on the walls. He knows no pain, and just last week, he put his head through her patio door. His mother has asked for Plexiglas to be installed to no avail. The boy eats the paint off the wall in his room. In fact, he needs constant supervision as he will try to eat

non-food items including toys, batteries, coins and paper. Mr. Speaker, stairs are very dangerous to the boy and to his little sister who is in constant danger of aggression from her brother. The boy needs a bar or special locks on his window as he throws anything he can get out the window of his room which is on the second floor. So he is always in danger of jumping out of his window. His mother must keep a constant vigil and watch on him.

My constituent needs help from a number of different angles. Her housing situation is inadequate. No safety upgrades are available for her children and it would appear that, for children diagnosed with autism, there is little to no help between the ages of two and four. The prevalence of autism in birthrates has grown from one in 2,500 births in 1970, to one in 285 in 1999. Today, Mr. Speaker, those rates are even much higher. As a government, I feel it is important that we recognize this and begin to look at options to help families deal with the special needs of children born with autism.

The Department of Health and Social Services has to be able to work with the Housing Corporation to come up with a workable plan to address the special needs of my constituent. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of the Housing Corporation at the appropriate time. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Legal Authority To Control NWT Lands And Resources

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I listened, with interest, to the emotion that was raised in the House yesterday in response to the recently publicized socio-economic agreement from the Mackenzie gas project. Some would argue that we should use the pipeline as a lever to wrestle control of our resources in the share of royalties away from the Crown. Perhaps our frustration with the lack of response from Ottawa to our aspirations is misdirected if pointed at the private interests that would like to develop the resources in the North.

I appreciate the response of industry to our requests as a government for formalized commitments to ensure northern employment, training and business opportunities, even if those agreements aren't perfect.

Here are the facts, Mr. Speaker. Here is a news flash. The resources of the North are currently owned and controlled by the Crown. The North is a huge treasure chest of natural resources and precious non-renewable commodities. Imagine a treasure chest for a minute, overflowing with gold, diamonds and riches. The process of getting to the treasure chest is fraught with challenges but it is a path that an explorer can pursue if you have the time and the money. When you get to the treasure, you can then decide if it is worth the cost of hauling it out.

You will have to pay the Crown and their castle their share, but the custodian standing guard over the treasure say that some of it is rightfully theirs because they have been guarding it for hundreds of years. They have been living right beside it. The Crown was happy to leave him standing guard to retain the sovereignty of the Crown's holdings. The custodians can see that the riches might be hauled out. If they can't have a share of it, maybe they can catch a few of the crumbs if they help the explorers haul the riches back to their ivory towers and their masters in Calgary and Houston. The custodians protest.

They fight amongst themselves. They can't agree on a plan to keep some of the riches and share it amongst themselves. The explorers are only looking for treasures to keep their masters happy. They don't make the rules, but want to enjoy a friendly relationship with the custodians. But alas, one day a leader emerges and organizes the custodians and articulates a plan to unify them in their efforts to get what is rightfully theirs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Property Tax Arrears

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am going to use my Member's statement today to raise an issue that seems to come to the surface every time around this time of year, and that being the mailing out of property tax statements by the Financial Management Board here in the GNWT. Mr. Speaker, I have been bringing up this issue in this House on numerous occasions in the last three years and it always seems to get swept under the rug only to be raised again when statements are mailed out around February. The outstanding amounts are still going up in everybody's statements.

Interest is accumulating and stress levels are peaking in Fort Liard, Fort Providence and Fort Resolution because of the property tax issue. Soon the ads will come out in the News/North listing all the people with these outstanding property tax arrears in the NWT and raising the anxiety levels even more in the communities because of the notice that the government does have the authority to seize their properties and publicly auction them off to recover some of these outstanding arrears.

The Minister of MACA publicly stated here in this House that he will set up a working group to address this outstanding issue, but I have yet to see any action that has been taken to address this concern today. I have seen nothing happening in Municipal and Community Affairs or FMBS.

Mr. Speaker, I have a statement right here from a constituent of mine dating back to 1991, Mr. Speaker. It is coming up into the $20,000 mark. That causes a lot of stress for this constituent because he just doesn't have any money to pay any of these arrears. He is disabled. He has a large family. It is funny to note here, Mr. Speaker, that, on the bottom of these statements, it states, "note that your account is 120 days past due." Mr. Speaker, this is like 17 years past due. I think that this government's inaction on this issue is way past due. I encourage this government to address it soon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Workers' Compensation Board Chronic Pain Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1067

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last number of years, the Members in this House brought forward a plethora of issues pertaining to the WCB, not the least of which are the deficiencies in the chronic pain policy and another long-protracted file dealing with grievances filed by workers who are not receiving the benefits or fair practice from the WCB that they're entitled to.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

In answering my latest written question on this topic, Mr. Speaker, I was advised of two things: one is that the Governance Council will be considering the new chronic pain policy, or the issues surrounding that, at their February 13 to 16 meeting; the other one is that the new legislation will make sure that WCB remains independent from political influence.

Mr. Speaker, as we have not been advised, I don't know what the outcome of this latest meeting is. I am also aware, Mr. Speaker, that the WCB is pressing injured workers hard to settle the long-outstanding files as we speak. Mr. Speaker, I'm willing to give the WCB the benefit of the doubt that it will finally do right by these workers and do what is best for them. If they are entitled to their benefits, they should get the full extent of the benefits that they are entitled to. They should not in any way be forced to get anything less just because it's in the interest of cleaning up longstanding files. Mr.

Speaker, if there are shortfalls in the WCB policies or legislation in addressing these files, I would expect that the WCB would include them in the upcoming introduction of WCB legislation for our review.

Mr. Speaker, as well, I'll be looking very closely at the Governance Council decision on the chronic pain policy to see that they meet the interests of the workers and reflect the progress required by a series of court decisions on the substance and procedure of chronic pain policy that they have been advised of.

Mr. Speaker, lastly, I must tell you that I'm clearing up my desk and my

schedule for the summer to be completely ready to receive the WCB legislation that is set to be introduced in March. I also believe this will be, Mr. Speaker, the opportunity for this House to once and for all address many of the long-outstanding WCB issues that we have been grappling with over the last number of years. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, lastly, contrary to the written question that I received from the WCB, I don't believe this is a political influence exercised, or political interference that might be implied on this matter. Mr. Speaker, I believe strongly that this is what we do as legislators and I look forward to doing that job with this new legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome everyone in the gallery today. I hope you're enjoying the proceedings. It's always nice to have an audience. Oral questions. The Member for Hay River, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 380-15(5): Legal Authority To Control NWT Lands And Resources

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1067

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in keeping with my Member's statement, I have a few questions for the Premier . I'd like to ask the Premier , when you look at the evolution of the autonomy in the other jurisdictions in Canada, like the provinces -- and I don't think I'm an expert on the subject and probably don't know that much about it -- but does the Northwest Territories, as a government, as we are known, have any legal right to stand on with respect to our negotiation with Ottawa over the resources contained in our territory? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you. I'm not a legal expert either on exactly what our rights are through the NWT Act and other legislation, but certainly it is limited in that the federal Minister of DIAND holds a lot of the authority for the Northwest Territories and also for Nunavut; somewhat less the case in the Yukon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if we don't have the legal authority, then, in our control now to control the land and resources of the Northwest Territories, surely we have some moral authority when you consider the vast percentage of our population which have unusual and extraordinary connections and rights with respect to the land. With that moral authority, is there any -- and I guess, again, looking at legal precedent -- is there any way that we can advance our case for control of our resources through the courts? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as a territorial government, and given the provisions in the NWT Act, unless it was a very specific instance, then I think we're limited in what we can do in advancing it through the courts. Now, Mr. Speaker, there have certainly been court challenges taken forward by aboriginal people who have inherent rights, who have treaty rights and so on. They have a much better case and we certainly do track what they are doing. In some cases, those are advancing the

rights of northerners in a way that we can't, because we don't have that kind of same status ourselves as a territorial government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, another source of potential support for our aspirations is the other jurisdictions in Canada who already have provincehood. I'd like to ask the Premier , Mr. Speaker, if he could share with us what his sense of that level of support is from his meetings with other Premiers and other Ministers of various portfolios. Mr. Speaker, does the Premier think that there is support for what we would like to achieve here in the North? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that there is much stronger support with the other jurisdictions, and I'll speak specifically about Premiers. I've been through this issue with them and they shake their heads and just find this totally unfair and unbelievable that today we would have a situation like ours where we're generating wealth, making decisions about protected areas and trying to get that balance and we don't have any authority. Mr. Speaker, I'll say further that even with talking with bankers in Toronto or talking with the public across the country, there is definitely a growing awareness that this situation cannot continue this way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 381-15(5): Appointment Process For Federal Judges

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1068

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week in this House I asked the Minister of Justice questions about the proposed changes to the judiciary appointment process at the federal level that affects Supreme Court judges and Appeal Court judges and he indicated that he would take that matter back to Cabinet and would return to this House before the break, which is tomorrow. I'd just like to ask the Minister if he would be prepared, or is he ready, to report back on the discussions and the position that Cabinet may have? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Government doesn't have a position. Cabinet doesn't have a position on something that is largely under the federal authority and is a federal matter, but I'm more than prepared to give my opinion about what I see as a lack of change in terms of the appointment process. The one change, I think, that has legitimately been identified is that the police will have a voice on the nomination committees, there will be a seat, I think it's one of the seven or one of the eight that will be reserved for the Canadian Police Association. Aside from that, I don't see a change, personally, Mr.

Speaker, but again, I'll make the point that we don't have a Cabinet position or a government position on something that's largely outside our authority. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that we're the creatures of the Northwest Territories Act; we're heavily influenced by decisions of federal judges both at the Supreme Court level and the appeal level. I would just like to ask the Minister, I mean, clearly there's a difference of opinion where those on the right say this is a good idea, there is a change and there is going to be an ability to put all sorts of party faithful, good Conservatives on the new committees.

I want to ask the Minister, are there not issues of great concern to us in the federal courts that would advise us to have an interest in how judges are appointed so that we can ensure that there is an impartial system and one that's not going to be so politically driven? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's my feeling that there isn't a significant change aside from the voice that the Police Association will have now. I think the police play a significant role in our justice system and their voice should be heard in terms of the nomination committee. I'm happy about that. I'm supportive of that. There will be critics, as there have been critics in the past. However, in the past there were too many Liberal faithfuls making up these nomination committees. There will be those who criticize now and say there are too many Tory faithfuls that make up the nomination committees. Mr.

Speaker, I think the point is, in my opinion, and again I've made the point there's not a government position on an issue that's largely federal. I don't see a significant change. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister himself is publicly on record indicating that these changes were done specifically so that the Prime Minister could have greater influence on who gets on these committees to control the appointment of judges, something that's not there currently. So the final question to the Minister then is, is the Minister saying in his own...Is the government saying that two wrongs necessarily make a right in this case? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government is not saying anything. I guess, for the third time, I'll tell you that this is my opinion that not a lot has changed in terms of the nomination process. Mr. Speaker, I think the important thing to keep in mind here is that we want good, competent judges in the Northwest Territories and I think as best indication of that we go back to the last judge appointed by a Conservative Justice Minister . I think we have a very competent woman who was appointed to the Bench. I'm proud of her appointment. I think she's serving us very well, Mr. Speaker. That is, in fact, the critical issue here. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 382-15(5): Candidate Protection Areas In The Sahtu Region

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1069

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier of the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Joe Handley , in terms of the protected areas that we are suggesting in the Sahtu, as I stated in my Member's statement. Also, that the Premier has stated with the Prime Minister that they need a balanced approach in terms of our lands in the Northwest Territories. I want to ask the Premier what is his government doing to protect these lands that our people in the Sahtu have so passionately asked that these lands be protected from resource development? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our government position has been that development has to be a balanced approach. That is consistent with the aboriginal leaders. I can say that, Mr. Speaker, I've raised this issue publicly in speaking across the country; I've raised it with the Prime Minister; I've raised it with Minister Baird; and I'll continue to raise it. The group who met with Minister Baird, from the Sahtu, were very effective. He referred them to me. He had the message. I gave him maps. He asked to keep them. I think he understands the situation.

Now we have to get the system, the federal system, to work this through. The Sayou and the Edacho areas, in particular, have been sitting on the shelf for, I think, practically 10 years now, and for the sake of a little bit of money we're not following through with the federal government on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, it's a crying shame that for 10 years land that has been so passionately requested by our people in the Sahtu and other parts of the Northwest Territories that, you know, we're having a balanced approach that this government can't persuade the federal government to put the disbelief into action, yet the federal government is a strong proponent of resource development. We should just, you know, at one point say enough is enough, no more resource development. Protect our land, air and water first. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier ensure that the federal government hears this loud and clear from the Northwest Territories?

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have made that message to the federal government that we cannot continue the way we are. At some point we're going to have to say enough is enough and say that we have to take a firm stance on these things. I did say to Minister Baird that for the sake of $500,000 one-time money, $500,000 ongoing money, this area was identified 10 years ago by then-Minister Sheila Copps as a heritage site. Let's do it. Five hundred thousand dollars is not much for the federal government. It was 10 years ago since that.

The ramparts area west of Fort Good Hope, the Horn Plateau, the proposed park in the East Arm of Great Slave Lake, the expansion of Nahanni, those are issues that are out there. I don't understand the reluctance by the federal government to move on some of these. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I also share the sentiments of the Premier . I just don't understand this federal government system. You know, we're asking for resource revenue sharing deals and we're asking for many things. Mr. Speaker, I would again ask the Premier in terms of protecting these areas, this land from resource development, can the Premier , again, reinstate, reinforce the federal government to put some money behind this belief and put their money where their mouth is and start seeing some things done here? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will say that I have a very brief meeting with the Prime Minister on Friday. I will, if there's opportunity, raise this issue again, because I think it's a win for everybody: for the federal government, for us as a government, for aboriginal people, and simply as a responsible way to develop the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are for the Honourable David Krutko in his capacity as the Minister for Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, it concerns interruptions in the supply and the resupply of fuels to the Northwest Territories. It has been well publicized in the media in the last couple of days that the mines are concerned. I wanted to pursue this a bit more, Mr. Speaker, because if the mines are suffering interruptions in their fuel supply because of the CN Rail strike, and I understand a fire at a refinery in southern Canada, what does this mean, Mr.

Speaker, for the security of resupply of fuels to our northern communities on the ice roads? We're operating on the same restrictions as the mines are and I think we're in the same boat. Do we have cause for concern, Mr. Speaker?

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Paul Delorey

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been following this issue but at the present time there is significant supply of diesel fuel in Hay River right now to resupply the 11 communities if we have to get it there this winter through the winter road system. Again, we feel that we are not drastically affected by the strike because the majority of our fuel products are already in the Northwest Territories. We are not greatly affected by this strike. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That's good news. I would like to ask what action the Minister or the government is taking on the national front? This is something that's affecting industry and consumers across Canada. What actions are we taking to bring some remedy to this so that at least the mines up here can get some certainty about their supply of fuel, Mr. Speaker?

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue that's hitting especially eastern Canada is the fires that happened at a couple of refineries. The western part of Canada was not affected because the majority of our fuel products come from Alberta. Because of that, we're not drastically affected in the context of what's happening nationally. So again, we do get our resupply from Alberta which, at the present time, that link has not been affected.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know from watching some of the media accounts on this that this is causing some price fluctuations at the pumps. Is it anticipated that these interruptions may result in any cost increases for northern consumers, Mr. Speaker?

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we already have our fuel purchase agreements in place; we have signed them off so we are already tied into a price. We signed them off before this increase has happened so we're not affected again by this national strike or national increase, because we already have our contract signed off for the price that we agreed to. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. I'd like to ask Mr. Handley what, if any, programs does the Housing Corporation have in place to help families with autistic children in the home? Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have two programs. One is ours; that is the new CARE program that is to provide funding for repairs and enhancement to existing units. There's also the RRAP program, which is the CMHC program that does repair specifically for situations like this where there are special needs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my constituent had raised this issue with me about six months back requesting some pretty standard, basic renovations to her unit, such as locks on the windows, Plexiglas, and also a unit with, pretty standard, a unit with no stairs. They had moved her to another unit and the other unit has stairs. It wasn't addressed then and what the Minister said doesn't give me any comfort that it will be addressed going forward. So I'd like to ask the Minister how a single mother in social housing can get some help from the Housing Corporation to make her unit more friendly for a child with autism? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't want to speak about this individual's personal situation, but we do have programs that are there. They new president of the Housing Corporation shares the same attitude that I do, that we need to be responsive to these kind of situations. I hope that this individual has talked to the Housing Corporation. If not, following this question and answer, I'm sure she will, and we'll follow up on it. But there is money in the Housing Corporation to deal with these kind of things and some of the problems may be a major challenge for us, but we'll do what we can. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm happy to hear the Minister say, and I know there's a new president there, a new Minister of the Housing Corporation, and it's nice to hear that they're interested in doing something about this. The most pressing thing, I think, is to get her into a unit without stairs. Is that a possibility? I'd like to ask the Minister that. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, we'd have to work with the housing authority and, again, Mr. Speaker, I'm assuming this person is in Yellowknife. But we'd have to work with the housing authority. I don't know the availability of units without stairs, but if there is a way for the Housing Corporation and the Yellowknife Housing Authority to work together to resolve this, then we'll do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to follow up on the question by my colleague from Thebacha to the Minister of Justice in regards to the federal government's attempt to colourize the judiciary that should always remain neutral. I think that's the hallmark of one of our strengths of Canada's democracy that's respected around the world. I also believe that the cohorts of people who believe that the courts should do less law-making and stick to the strict

interpretation of the law fails to understand the power of Charter. If it wasn't for the Charter, we would not have gained all the progress we have made in regards to aboriginal rights. If it wasn't for the law-making of the court, that would have never gained anything or any disadvantaged group that needed legal assistance to get their even playing field.

So I'd like to ask the Minister, I'm quite alarmed by the answer he gave in which he said that the latest appointment of the judge by the Conservative government was a good one. So I'd like to know if he is suggesting that all three other Supreme Court judges that we have that were appointed by the previous government are not as good as the latest. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I'm happy with all of the judicial appointments. My point in making that comment was that if people believe there's been some significant change in the way we appoint judges, it certainly hasn't been apparent to me because I think we're still getting good candidates appointed to the bench. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't think he's keeping up with the reading of what government's policy is in this regard and I would suggest to him that it's in our interest, in our jurisdiction's interest to make sure because we're very affected by court decisions. Mr. Speaker, he mentions that, and I know he mentioned earlier that this is not our jurisdiction, but I am aware that the Minister has met with Minister Toews, when he was Minister of Justice , about father's rights and other law and order items, strengthening youth offender issues and such and keeping kids in jail, I don't know what it was.

So why is it that the Minister will not address his mind to see what the impact of this federal policy would be on our policies? I don't understand why he will not address that. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I don't see a change in policy. We've still got judicial nomination committees that will look for the best candidates and appoint judges. The one change is that the Police Association of this country will now have a voice; one of seven or eight seats or whatever it is. One of them will be held by the Police Association, which I think is a good idea. Again, let me remind the Members, we don't have a government position, as it were, on something that's largely a federal matter. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it's important for the Minister to speak to the police, but I think that in this matter I think he has a lot more to learn and I'd like to suggest to him, I'd like to ask him if he would meet with the judiciary and talk with them about what it means, or academia, or read on some stuff about

what the impact will be and not just go by his own opinion about what should be at the NWT table and not. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I'm not clear as to what the question is. Will I read the media opinions on both sides of this issue? Sure. I have and will continue to do so. But, Mr. Speaker, again let me reiterate, since the Members are interested in my opinion, clearly, because this is a federal matter, I don't think there's been a significant change. Do I think it's a good idea to have the police have some voice because of their involvement in the judicial system? Yes, I do. Do I think there's been a vast departure from the way past governments operated the process? No, I don't. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Question 386-15(5): Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier I spoke in regard to the consultation paper on SCAN and my question is for the Minister of Justice , the Honourable Brendan Bell . I'd like to ask the Minister when and why did the Department of Justice decide to propose legislation on SCAN for the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, as to the exact date that we sent the legislative proposal to the standing committee, where it currently sits, I can't give you that exact date. It is a matter of record and it is in correspondence to the committee. But I can tell you for certain why, Mr. Speaker. It was a huge public concern around the state of our communities, and the safety of our communities, and the need to improve safety for our residents.

Obviously we recognize the RCMP we think are doing a very good job, but we believe, in our experience and from watching what's gone on in other jurisdictions like Saskatchewan and Manitoba and now Yukon, that a tool like safer communities legislation can be a very effective tool in helping us deal with bootlegging operations, drug dealing operations, and seek to put them out of business. So that's the why, Mr. Speaker.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm just wondering, if we move forward with this proposed paper, consultation paper on SCAN, I'm just wondering when that will happen. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the legislative proposal sits before the Standing Committee on Social Programs. They had asked me to come in and respond to some questions that had arisen. I have done that. There are still some bits of information that we have promised to provide committee. I will do that before the end of this week. Then, Mr. Speaker, it's really a matter of committee coming back to me and saying we're interested in taking this bill out on the road and seeing what people think. We await the introduction of first reading of the bill.

I'd be prepared to do that in the March session and that would allow committee to go on the road and hear from residents and understand better what they think of this legislation. So I'm ready for a March 1st reading, Mr. Speaker. It's just a matter of the Social Programs committee coming back to me and giving me the okay. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 387-15(5): Resource Revenue Sharing Negotiations

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Louis Riel believed in a cause with so much passion that he wasn't concerned about his future, but the future of the Metis. He was fighting for their rights. We're fighting for a different kind of right here, Mr. Speaker. We're fighting for the right of the future of the Northwest Territories to benefit. Prime Minister Harper said it himself hundreds of times: we should be the primary beneficiaries of our natural resources, and we're not.

The Premier mentioned that he is having a meeting with the Prime Minister on Friday, and enough is enough is another term that I heard from the Premier . Would he relay that message on to the Prime Minister that enough is enough and don't just talk about what we should have? He's in a position to give us what he knows we deserve. Would he relay that message on to the Prime Minister? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that very direct answer. That's the kind of attitude that we should have with Ottawa: direct, to the point, and leave the...Would the Premier commit to bring in a contingent of aboriginal leaders to Ottawa to negotiate directly with the Prime Minister? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I will raise this issue. It's at the top of my list for discussion with the Prime

Minister on Friday. Mr. Speaker, the lead Minister on this issue is Minister Prentice. I have already suggested to Minister Prentice that we have a joint meeting between myself and representative aboriginal leaders to deal with the issue of a devolution AIP at the minimum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Another meeting; we've been having meetings for 20 years. We all know what these meetings are about. They know what we want. We know what we want. It confuses me as to Ottawa's reluctance to give us what they know we deserve. I'm getting to my question. I'd like to ask the Premier if he would commit to expediting the negotiations on the political level and try and have something agreed to very soon? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I've said in this House before, we are in the middle of negotiations. The federal negotiator is meeting with ours. The next meeting I believe is, in fact, I know it is next week. It's tough. The federal negotiator, of course, is looking after federal interests; our negotiators are looking after our interests. There are outstanding issues they have to resolve. It's not going to be easy. I can tell you we are focused on achieving what we want, an agreement-in-principle, but at the same time we are not going to accept a bad deal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, we're all very concerned about the development that's happening in Alberta, and the rampant development in McMurray, and the fact that after seven years working together, the federal government and Alberta government have not been able to come up with any kind of cumulative impact position that would govern how they move forward, yet they continue to expand. In the North we are no better off in terms of our ability to ascertain the cumulative impact.

In the Deh Cho they've put a lot of time into a land use plan, and what seems to be required for us so that we can speak clearly on this issue is regional land use plans encompassed by an umbrella territorial land use plan. I'd just like to ask the Premier whether he has thought about that issue and how he would see us moving forward on this very fundamental issue of us being able to decide, as a territory, the best way to deal with resource development and protection of the environment? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the first step has to be to have the regional land use plans that work for the people in those regions. We need to have that. But, Mr. Speaker, we need to also, and I agree with the Member, we need to have a territorial plan for the whole Northwest Territories that serves as a framework for all of the regional plans. We already have, I think, the basic elements, even though they're not put together into one document, of the overall framework, and certainly our approach to develop it and to protection is very much similar to the aboriginal leadership. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of the fundamental questions we have yet to ask as a territory is how much development is sustainable, how much do we need, what's in the best interest of the territory, what's the value of the resources that we look to have extracted, what's the value and benefit to the people of the Northwest Territories? Does the Premier see those types of questions as fundamental to the issues of regional land use planning? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, certainly those are all good questions. But we also have to work with our neighbours, because a lot of development protection and so on affects geographical areas. So if you take the Mackenzie River basin, for example, it takes in the Yukon, B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and the Northwest Territories. We do work with them, but we need to know where they stand as well. We need to know what their development plans are. So it's bigger than just us as a territory developing our own in isolation as if we were an island on our own.

I think the Member is very aware of the approach that it has to be more than us. I've certainly championed the idea of a western energy strategy, a western energy alliance and so on, as a way of dealing with these broader issues than just our territory.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Premier clarify a bit further how he sees those broad initiatives moving forward in the time this Assembly has left and in the meetings that he may have available with his colleagues as Premier ? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, the biggest challenges we have on development, I think everyone would agree, are probably coming from Alberta, given the amount of development happening and the importance of what they do to the Mackenzie basin, which takes us all the way down the Mackenzie Valley to the Delta. Mr. Speaker, one of the first things that we have to do is collect better baseline information. I don't think we have the information we need and we're going to do that. Second is we have to, as part of the Mackenzie basin study, begin to work more bilaterally with Alberta than has been the case in the past, and I intend to start that as soon as I have t