Debates of Feb. 27th, 1997

This is page numbers 919 - 954 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Supporting Diverse Conditions In Communities

Best Wishes To Crisis Intervention Workers

Official Opening Of Arviat Business Training Centre

Affirmative Action Policy

Legal Training In The Northwest Territories

People's Contribution Towards Deficit Reduction

Support For Small Business

Solutions Desired From Plan 2000

Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Amending Affirmative Action Policy

Rationale Of Designating Communities By Level

Community Empowerment Negotiations With Aklavik

Rewarding NWT Residents For Sacrifices Made

Canadian Federation Of Business' Assessment Of GNWT Budget

Infrastructure Requirements For Nunavut

Inuktitut School Curriculums

Incremental Infrastructure Costs Prior To Division

Formula Funding Negotiations

Practise Of Awarding Housing Contracts

Practise Of Awarding Housing Contracts

Committee Report 7-13(4): Standing Committee On Infrastructure's Review Of Bill 7, Municipal Statutes Amending Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Provide NWT Development Corporation Subsidiaries' Annual Financial Statements To The Resource Management Committee

Recommendation To Reinstate Funding For Local Wildlife Committees To Levels Equivalent To The 1996/97 Fiscal Year

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 919

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statement. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Supporting Diverse Conditions In Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 919

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the NWT is a place of wide diversity. Within our boundaries, you can go from the forests of the South Slave to the wind swept tundra of the Keewatin to mountains both east and west. We have a broad range of renewable and non-renewable resources and the people come from a variety of cultural backgrounds. We also have diversity in other ways. We have the most highly educated city in Canada right alongside communities very close by with low education levels. We have communities with active private sectors and others where the only business in town is the government.

Some communities have larger populations of young people. As my colleague for the High Arctic pointed out, the cost of living varies greatly in the different communities. Where we often fail to recognize the differences is in the policies and programs of this government. In policy after policy, we seem to take a broad brush approach. Programs like student financial assistance, public housing, seniors' programs and affirmative action seem to be the same no matter what the nature of the community or region they are directed to.

They do not recognize the differences such as cost of living and many other unique factors.

One of the few departments which seems to recognize the differences is the Department of Economic Development, which defines different levels of community development. This allows the government to develop programs for each of the different levels. Mr. Speaker, it is important to have policies which give a general framework for programs and services of this government. Yes, they should be broad. However, they should also have provisions which recognize and support the diverse conditions across this vast space that we call the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, later today, I will be asking the Premier how this can be addressed. Thank you.

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Supporting Diverse Conditions In Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 919

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Best Wishes To Crisis Intervention Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 919

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, yesterday many of us welcomed in the gallery women from our ridings here in Yellowknife for a developmental conference. These women are on the front lines of working with child abuse, spousal assault and family breakdowns. Mr. Speaker, this is a very stressful work place at the best of times. Many of these women are working with few resources and our government, because of the fiscal climate, has had a hard time coming up with money to support professional development, training and resources for these workers and shelters.

Mr. Speaker, there are many people who believe these women are somehow responsible at times for accelerated family break-ups. Sometimes, the shelters are seen as foreign institutions. Mr. Speaker, I do not agree with that assessment. Last night, Mr. Erasmus and I visited the women at their open house. It was a short but very informative visit. We talked a little about their jobs and the fiscal situation and funding difficulties. Having been here since the 15th of January and venturing very little from the Legislature to home, we get caught up in government, budgets, cameras and legislation.

Last night, after meeting with the ladies, it reminded me again why I ran for an election and what I had hoped to accomplish. I thank them for that.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the women for their kind invitation. I am sure that my colleagues here will join me in wishing them a very constructive session and informative meeting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Best Wishes To Crisis Intervention Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 919

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements, Mr. O'Brien .

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Official Opening Of Arviat Business Training Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce the official opening of the Arviat Business Training Centre. The training centre is a result of a co-operative partnership entered into by the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Sakku Investments and the hamlet of Arviat. The centre is located in the former office of the Renewable Resources Building. It was purchased by the hamlet and now accommodates a

classroom, office space and will accommodate up to 14 students.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the hamlet of Arviat for its vision and enthusiasm in developing this northern training program that will prove beneficial to all the communities in Nunavut. Thank you.

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Official Opening Of Arviat Business Training Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 920

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In opening I would like to send my condolences out to the Robert family of Fort McPherson and also the Allen family of Aklavik. Mr. Speaker, I do not understand why there has been such limited success in affirmative action in this government. We have had a policy in place to support aboriginal people for 11 years. There should be some representation in regards to the number of individuals. We had such limited successes with the Department of Personnel while they were in place. Now that they are not there, what will happen?

Who will push affirmative action without the Department of Personnel? I get concerned when we look at advertisements in the papers that seem to be catered to those with degrees, masters and PhDs. It is harder for northerners to get a university education. We cannot just drive down the street or across town to a university. We need the experience of aboriginal people, yet it seems like they are not qualified. However, we have representatives of aboriginal people in the federal Parliament, in the Senate and also Commissioners and Premiers and Members of this House where a majority of them are aboriginal people.

When we look at 1995 statistics, we have poor results in relation to affirmative action. After the layoffs the past two years, the statistics seemed to have worsened. Even departments like RWED are disappointing. Working with wildlife and the environment are areas that many aboriginal people can relate to. In regards to the latest statistics, we hear that 30 percent of RWED employees are aboriginal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? No nays. Mr. Krutko , conclude your statement. Thank you.

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Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yet, only one person in that department is in the managerial field. There are aboriginal people who have schooling, degrees and many of them do not work for the government. We need to look at why. There are many questions that need to be answered about the GNWT and affirmative action and we need the government to fully implement the goals that were set 11 years ago for this policy to ensure the aboriginal people and people of the north that it represents are in areas of management and areas of direction to the people they represent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Legal Training In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is on legal training in the Northwest Territories. Today, the court workers in the NWT do not have proper formal training. Usually the worker is a community person who gets trained through workshops and on-the-job training. This is not fair to the worker, particularly the worker who is alone in a community without a lawyer to consult whenever he or she wants. We require a method whereby all our court workers have a standard minimum training. Additionally, the GNWT is aggressively promoting community justices.

Unfortunately, there is an acute shortage of community people with academic legal training. There are very few northern aboriginal lawyers and no aboriginal judges. There are aboriginal JPs but few of them have much legal training. I propose we initiate a one-year certificate and a two-year diploma program for legal assistants. All court workers will be required to take the certificate program. The program would have upgrading for six to 12 months for those who require academic preparation.

That is because some of the people in the course may not be high school graduates and those out of school for a long time may require a refresher to get use to being in school again. This method has been used successfully in the community teacher education programs as well as the nursing program run by Aurora College. The program should be associated with our university so that it can be categorized as post-secondary education. This will mean that people could get student financial assistance. Also, people who finish this could be eligible to get directly into law school.

The communities currently have training funding available for the next two years through a federal program called Pathways. The program could be funded through a combination of Pathways and GNWT dollars. For instance, student financial assistance could be used for allowances and Department of Education and the communities, through Pathways, could fund running the courses. Because of that, you would accept aboriginal people first, then non-aboriginal peoples if there was room.

The result, you would have court workers with a minimum one-year academic legal training, communities with legally trained people to propel the community justice program, aboriginal JPs with legal training leading to aboriginal lawyers and finally, aboriginal judges. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Legal Training In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Henry .

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People's Contribution Towards Deficit Reduction

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the last 18 months the people of the Northwest Territories have contributed to resolving this government's financial predicament. Employees have had pay and benefits cut, a significant number of people have been laid off and programs and facilities have been reduced and cut. Mr. Speaker, last May, I raised the possibility with the Minister of Finance , regarding giving discount rates at hotels, travel agencies and similar businesses to all residents of the NWT, in recognition of their sacrifices in achieving a balanced budget.

Upon presentation of a valid NWT driver's licence or health care card at participating businesses, a person would receive a discount. The discount would be similar to reduced rates offered to GNWT employees, such as reduced rates at travel agencies, hotels and car rental agencies. Using identification cards issued regularly by this government means this program would not result in any additional costs. Presently, our government has standing orders with hotels and car rental agencies, so it would be relatively straightforward to advise these businesses to accept the card at their establishments.

Mr. Speaker, this arrangement would not discourage travel in the north or give an unfair advantage to southern destinations. Northern businesses may also attract more customers by accepting these cards. The discounts would give a well-deserved break to all NWT residents faced with the double burden of the higher cost of living than the rest of Canada and, in tough financial times, this action could potentially save money for the government, since higher volume of hotel and car rental services could mean better rates offered to our government.

Mr. Speaker, this action would provide people of the NWT with a small, but well-deserved break at no expense to the government. I will be asking the Minister of Finance for some comments on this statement later on in question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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People's Contribution Towards Deficit Reduction

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. The honourable Member for the High Arctic , Mr. Barnabas .

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Support For Small Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I want to support new businesses, in particular, the small businesses that are in the smaller communities. As they start to establish their own small businesses, they often have no place to turn to and, even if they get their supplies from the north, this continues to be higher because their businesses are smaller than other larger businesses. As well, the government has to give more support to the smaller businesses by way of having funding available to them.

Regarding the government offices in communities, they have to do more to help the smaller businesses in those communities that run their own businesses. Regarding contracts, when they bid for certain contracts, because they are running on a smaller scale, they often are not given contracts. I will be asking a question regarding this later on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Support For Small Business

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Rabesca . Thank you.

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Solutions Desired From Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Upon reviewing the background information regarding the Housing Corporation's new initiative, Plan 2000, I feel it is only a start in providing affordable housing to those that are in need. However, Mr. Speaker, there are many positive aspects to Plan 2000. I do have some concerns about this program and feel it is necessary to address them. On a positive note, I believe this will be a much better program than is currently in place for those that are able to access this.

It will allow this government to use its dollars more wisely and will also free up dollars that are currently targeted for housing to be used elsewhere. Getting the financial institutions involved in the smaller communities has been a need for many years. Until recently, it has been impossible to get a financial institution to venture into this area. There are numerous residents that could afford to purchase a unit but, because no lending institution would consider mortgages in small communities, it is not a reality. This program should provide for this.

I believe this program would also encourage families to seek better employment as they will not be penalized for extra income earned as it is with today's rental scales program. This new housing program may allow three or four times as many units to be constructed than is currently done which will increase construction and employment throughout the north. It will also free up other units that will be able to be used for many more residents that currently do not have suitable housing.

Mr. Speaker, the potential benefits will be long-reaching for this government and for the residents in all communities, which is very good for those who will be able to access it and for those who will also be able to move into newly-vacated rental units, where they presently have none. However, I feel that this program does not go far enough to address the area of low income families, single parents or the elderly. It seems that many low income families, single parents and elderly may be destined to live in rental units for the rest of their lives. It appears to me those that have will benefit and those that have not will never progress in their housing situation.

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Solutions Desired From Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Mr. Rabesca .

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Solutions Desired From Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, may I have unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please?

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Solutions Desired From Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Rabesca , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Solutions Desired From Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We must find solutions for the poorer citizens. I would remind everyone that both our Premier and Finance Minister have stated on a number of occasions that we, as a government will not solve

our deficit problems on the backs of the poor. They deserve to have even stronger efforts on our part. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Solutions Desired From Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Item 4, return to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are in follow-up to my Member's statement I made today. I have listed a number of policies which, since becoming involved with the government, I have been frustrated by, the number of situations which arise when policies are too broad and do not address the differences in the various regions and communities across the Northwest Territories. I named a few of them in my Member's statement but even the difference in climate, geography, proximity of communities to renewable and non-renewable resources, are all things that I believe we need to take into consideration.

For example, in housing, the vast difference even between the east and the west with respect to people that are coming out of a wage economy as opposed to those coming out of a traditional economy. I would like to ask the Premier , Mr. Speaker, if these diversities are going to be acknowledged and incorporated into our programs and services when Cabinet undertakes a review of policies that the Premier has referred to this summer? Thank you.

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Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Right now, our policies do reflect the diversity of the Northwest Territories and we will continue to do that. Thank you.

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Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Supplementary To Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not want to be argumentative here today but I am asking the Premier to commit to further recognize these differences, because there are problems with certain policies. For example, when we talk about the Affirmative Action Policy, we talk about it reflecting the population that we serve and the demographics, if you look at the whole territories, may be such that they would differ considerably from that of a region.

We saw that problem come to light with regards to student employment in communities like Hay River and Yellowknife, where there were targets set with respect to affirmative action but they did not really reflect the actual make-up of those communities or regions. I think there is a lot more fine-tuning that needs to be done with respect to our policies and if we are going to undertake a review anyway, I am asking the Premier if he would concur with me. Let us make it worthwhile and take a really hard look at those diversities. Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Morin .

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Further Return To Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will do that. In the past, I have attempted to do that as well. I think we have done fairly well on that whole issue of policies addressing the Northwest Territories. Sometimes when you are developing a policy, it is fairly broad so that it does encompass the whole Northwest Territories, but we also try to include the uniqueness of the communities in the policy. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

Question 404-13(4): Acknowledging Community Diversity Through Government Policies

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier in regard to the Affirmative Action Policy in relation to my opening statement and also the old question about how a lot of these jobs are being advertised. It seems they are structured in such a way that the individuals they are catered to have to have a master's degree or PhD. The demand for those types of individuals is limited in the Northwest Territories. It disqualifies a lot of northern individuals who may have gone to university or may not have completed a PhD or a master's.

I would like to ask the Premier if there is any way they could look at amending that to ensure there is a more equitable way, when they are doing the evaluation process, that they take that into account? We do not have the ability in the north, especially for a lot of people, to go off to university and make a career out of going to university. The human resources that we have in the north are limited so a lot of individuals, once they conclude high school, go off to university in one particular area, then come back home and try to work within that particular field. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As far as qualifications go for jobs within the government, in some cases, we have to ask for certain qualifications whether it be in social care, corrections, justice, school teachers, doctors and lawyers. There are certain qualifications needed. In some cases in government, we can look at what qualifications are being asked for certain jobs. Maybe, from time to time, they are requesting too many qualifications on certain jobs. I will look into that and see if there is a way that we can make sure we have competent people getting those jobs but also we can do it in such a way that it would encourage northerners to be able to get those jobs. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My next question is in regard to the overall question of the statistics and percentages of aboriginal people within the departments, especially in light of the information received yesterday regarding the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, where 30 percent of the people are aboriginal yet there is only one person in the managerial area of that department in regards to a deputy minister.

Is there any way of increasing those statistics to ensure that it is more spread out in the area that the individual people they represent, especially in the area of wildlife, where it relates to a lot of the aboriginal population when it comes to the wildlife management. Will he ensure to also take a look at that?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very clear from the statistics that we do see that, in the lower parts of government and lower jobs, from the director level down, there are a lot more aboriginal people, affirmative action long-term northerners in those jobs, than from that director level up. There are less affirmative action candidates in those jobs. It is an issue that has to be addressed. As I have said previously in this House, Mr. Speaker, we will be writing to the deputies to have them come up with a plan on how to increase those numbers. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the overall area of training of individuals, could the Premier also advise the House if there is a possibility of individuals who have been in, say the Department of RWED, who may have 15 to 20 years service which are in between the bracket of being at the lower level and looking at giving them the opportunity to take management training as part of their job, so they could move up to that hierarchy in which we seem to be lacking? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, that is exactly what I am talking about, employee plans and how to increase the affirmative action candidates at the higher end of government and to develop a plan to make that happen. That will also be part of the deputy's evaluation when I evaluate them every year. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier keep the House informed as to the time frame we are looking at for this particular initiative and is there a goal set on a particular time of when you expect to see this accomplished or some document in place to ensure that practise will be concluded? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to talk to Cabinet about this to get Cabinet direction but I do not see any reason why the departments, when they present the budget to the committee next year, should not have an employment strategy plan in every individual department. There is ample time. There is ample warning. We as a Cabinet are going to talk about it and then give the direction, but I am sure we can work that out so that by the time you review the next year's budget, they should have a strategy in place for increasing those numbers. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Member for Hay River , Madam Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My next question is for the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . I was wondering if Minister Kakfwi could give the House an outline of the rationale of designating communities by level? What precipitated those designation and what is the overall intent of that within Economic Development? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the designation of communities, whether they are on level one, level two or level three was done because some communities have, for instance, highway access, they have jet and larger aircraft schedules on a routine basis, they have banking systems and a housing market. Other communities are isolated with no access roads, very high transportation costs, freight costs for goods, very few businesses operating, no banking service and no housing market per se. Their abilities to access loans and investment money are virtually nil compared to these other, more fortunate communities.

In order to create some level playing field in accessing loans, we have designated certain communities to be level one, level two or level three. Based on their designations, decided what level of equity might be required in order to access certain loans. That generally is what we use for designating. It is for the purpose of creating a level playing field in business development for communities. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the level of employment or unemployment in that community also used in that designation of community by level? Thank you.

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Mr. Minister, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I believe it is one of the considerations used as well as the size of the population, the size of the workforce and the skill of the workforce. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. Madam Groenewegen, second supplementary.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This will be my last question. There does seem to be a fair amount of confusion in the public with respect to this whole issue. I wonder, does the government or the department have in their possession a concise document that could be tabled or made public with respect to this issue? There does seem to be some confusion in the communities right now on this matter. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be prepared to make available a document that would address the information the Member is speaking about. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Honourable Manitok Thompson . In relation to the statement she made in the House the other day, regarding the community empowerment initiatives going on between your department and the communities, in regards to Mackenzie Delta. The Aklavik Aboriginal Committee is presently in the process of looking at community transfers and also, through the assistance of secondment, of a government staff member.

My question to the Minister is what priority do these negotiations have in regards to the ongoing time frames we are looking at in trying to fast track some of these transfers, especially ensuring there are adequate resources and personnel to assist the community and individual to ensure this process is carried out at a very fast pace to try to come to an end and get these negotiations completed in a short time frame, rather than dragging it on for a number of years. What kind of assurances do we have that it will be a speedy process and there are resources and individuals available to ensure that?

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Thank you. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have had correspondence from Aklavik and the community transfer initiative that is happening there seems to be doing very well. If my budget is passed soon, there will be money in there to help communities with community empowerment. We will be able to help the communities with the resources after my budget is passed because in my last budget I did not have anything for community empowerment. We had to find it from within. We are working with Aklavik and we have good results with them. We have good reports from them that everything seems to be going well. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to ensuring the procedure is carried out smoothly and in a short time frame, I would like to ask the Minister, is there a direct link between the individual who is negotiating on behalf of the community and a senior person within your department to ensure we are not having to go through every person within your department to get an initiative going to speed up the process? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. The honourable Minister, Madame Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have a person in Inuvik. I believe Lisa McPherson is working with the community. She is the link between the community and the GNWT for community empowerment in that region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko . Second supplementary.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to Ms. McPherson having the ability to make decisions, does she have the ability to make decisions regarding resources to ensure there are adequate resources in place to carry out these transfers of a particular department or project so there are adequate resources there to ensure that it is carried out smoothly? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Madame Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Lisa McPherson is quite capable of doing her job and that is why we have her in that position. She is doing a great job with the community. She is doing everything she can to help the community of Aklavik. So far we have heard good reports on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the overall process of the next phase, once the transfer takes place is there going to be some sort of mechanism to ensure there is an implementation process, so if there are glitches in the first year of a transfer, there are ways of working it through? So it allows the community not to get in trouble right off the start but there is assurance there are adequate resources. Three to five years down the road, there will be ongoing resources to ensure these programs and services will be taken on. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister, Madame Thompson.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We want the communities to succeed, that is our priority in community empowerment. We will be available to the communities as long as GNWT exists to make sure the communities are successful in the transfer. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Thank you, Madame Thompson. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 408-13(4): Rewarding NWT Residents For Sacrifices Made

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 925

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for FMBS, Mr. Todd . In my Member's statement today I talked about the sacrifices that all residents of the NWT have made to ensure the Minister of Finance can balance the budget. As a little reward, I proposed that all residents receive, through their health card or a valid driver's license, the same discounts at hotels and car rental agencies that would be available to government employees presently. One of the stipulating factors was that it would not cost the government any money.

I asked the Minister about this last May and I would like the Minister now to tell me what he has done about this and when we can expect this type of program to be put in place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Minister for FMBS, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me first of all say, it is an excellent idea by my colleague that he brought up in early May and I apologize for the delay in response but I want to assure him that we are pursuing the idea aggressively. We have been in touch with travel agencies, hotels, car rentals, to see if there is a receptive audience out there. I am confident that once we have concluded our discussions with the industry at large, we will put forward and applaud our colleague for his initiative that will cost this government no money. Is that a good answer? Thank you.

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Thank you. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister responsible for FMBS has told us that he has contacted the travel agencies, hotels, and so forth. Can the Minister tell us when he contacted these agencies and what response they gave him initially? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I had a note on this yesterday because I thought my colleague was going to ask me yesterday. I seem to have inadvertently lost it. I want to assure him, seriously, that we have contacted these associations. We think it is a reasonable request. I do not have the details at my fingertips, but I will get it and report to my colleague tomorrow or before he goes on vacation, so he can take advantage of these initiatives. No, Mr. Speaker, I do not have the details of it. I do want to assure my colleague that we have done what I have said we have done. I will move quickly to try and get resolved to it and report back to him. Thank you.

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Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister, seeing as he does believe this is a good idea and worthwhile for all residents of the NWT. Normally parents like to take their children on summer vacation. Can I ask the Minister if he would support families in that regard by ensuring this program will be in place before the end of June? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister for FMBS, Mr. Todd .

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Page 926

John Todd

Keewatin Central

I think my colleague thinks I am not dealing with this issue seriously, that is why I was looking for the notes. I am dealing with it seriously. I cannot commit today whether we would have it in place by June. I know, in my discussions with Mr. Voytilla, that we have been communicating with the industry at large outside of the north of 60, in an effort to see if they would co-operate with us in providing this initiative incentive for northern people. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 409-13(4): Canadian Federation Of Business' Assessment Of GNWT Budget

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 926

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions concern the budget. Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Federation of Business did an assessment of the territorial budget. Overall, their assessment of the budget delivered by Mr. Todd was favourable. However, they did make some good points like regulatory reform and economic development issues. My question for Mr. Todd is, will he be following up or contacting the federation and taking up their offer on the experience they have gleaned from their extensive regulatory reform and ask them for some logistical information or help?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister responsible for Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I received the same letter from the federation. They have a great deal of experience in that, both in Alberta, and I know there is a considerable amount of experience in regulatory reform in Mr. Picco 's former province, Newfoundland. We would take that all into consideration as we move forward in an orderly way to determine what regulatory reform will be necessary to provide the more open balanced approach for business in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Thank you. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Newfoundland comes a poor second to Scotland in regulatory reform as we all know. Mr. Brad Wright will be coming to Yellowknife from the Canadian Federation of Business next month. Is Mr. Todd meeting with him at that time?

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Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Todd .

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Page 926

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is important to point out that both Mr. Kakfwi and myself have co-sponsored the paper on regulatory reform and Mr. Kakfwi will take the lead on it because he is intimately involved, being the Minister of RWED . It is our intent to meet with Mr. Wright either here or in Edmonton or Calgary, but we intend to meet with him. As I indicated, while it was co-sponsored, Mr. Kakfwi will be taking the lead on this important issue. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last year Mr. Todd was able to travel around the territories explaining the major aspects of his budget. I have not seen a travel itinerary for Mr. Todd that he will be doing that this year. Concerning the budget again, will Mr. Todd be travelling around this time? If so, when? If not, why?

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Thank you, Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take this question because it is for all Ministers of where they will be travelling and when they will be travelling. We will let the Members know when we can make ourselves available to be in your riding. Myself, I think I will plan on doing the Baffin and some of the Ministers may come along. We are going to be going out having town hall meetings with the people of the Northwest Territories. Some of the Ministers, as well as myself, have been in some of the ridings already. We have to try to spread ourselves out as much as possible. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, regarding these town hall meetings, this is the first time I heard of this. As the Premier knows and the Finance Minister , when you are coming to a riding we have to book space, get translators and, in my case, we ask for French translation at times too. I would appreciate as early as possible the Premier or the Finance Minister , whichever one is speaking to this today, to inform the Members of this House and the public at large, when these town hall meetings, these explanations of the budgets, will be occurring outside the capital of Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is just the proper way of doing business and we do business properly. I

have talked to the Member about this. I did mention I was thinking of going to his riding before. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 410-13(4): Infrastructure Requirements For Nunavut

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 927

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance and also overseeing the division issues, could the Minister indicate how important it is that we proceed to start looking at infrastructure requirements and setting up headquarters in Nunavut?

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important and I believe all Ministers have said this and the Premier has said this, that we need to develop a transition plan prior to April 1, 1999, for the development of two territories, not just the Nunavut one. In consultation with my Cabinet colleagues, we are going to move fairly quickly in the coming weeks to develop that. That is that you want, a pre-implementation plan that is necessary to get some of the basic framework for two new governments in place prior to April 1, 1999. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister move to the other end of the time spectrum and not so much as prior to 1999? How soon, from where we are today, should we be starting on these critical issues so that we are not caught with our political pants around our ankles, scrambling to put the proper services and infrastructure in place so that we can do simple things like write cheques, et cetera.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think what is important here is that we do move forward in an orderly way. We take a hard look at what we think we can realistically accomplish. Some time lines are attached to it. Mr. Henry and others have spoken to it before. I have just sent out what they call a "call letter" to the Ministers and to deputy ministers, that we start to take a look at how we develop that as quickly as we can. I have spoken to Mr. Hamilton today and I did not get an opportunity to speak to you as Chair of the Caucus.

I would like to be able to bring the Caucus up-to-date on what we are doing internally, to try to message what I call an "interim step." What can we accomplish in the time lines that we have left? I have said before that you cannot wait until April 1, 1999, and suddenly turn on the light switch. We need to move as quickly as we can. Realistically, if we have the political support out there, I am fairly confident we could actually move in the fall of 1997 with some things, but it is going to require Cabinet, legislative approval, et cetera, and is going to require the support of all Members.

The intent is to move with my Cabinet colleagues and the deputies to develop a plan. I would like to present the framework for that plan to Caucus next week to see if there is some general support for it. Then to move as quickly as we can to implement it, assuming there is continuing political support. Thank you.

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Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You talk about this interim step very clearly, that this current headquarters operation located in Yellowknife is going to have to be split into two. The particular percentages or sizes has yet to be determined. Will the Minister be taking that approach as opposed to designing or trying to set up a Nunavut headquarters based on a decentralized model? Thank you.

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John Ningark

Thank you. The Minister responsible for FMBS, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are two components to this thing. We have already committed to costing the NIC model with NIC and NTI, our partners to cost that model. They had to move forward with the costing of that model as well as the costing of the status quo in the west to negotiate to formula arrangements. That is the first step that we are doing now. The second step, with relationship to Nunavut which you specifically asked about, is that we need to put into place an interim step based upon a headquarters model that can then be decentralized once the fiscal money and the infrastructure is in place and agreed to under Nunavut. I hope I have been clear there. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister assure me that those processes will be kept separate? That as we cost out the NIC Footprints 2 model with their highly decentralized structure and whatever cost that requires is an issue that, for the most part, will have to be dealt with the federal government over and above whatever costs are now spent on headquarters here? Where we split this existing pot, like you say, is one question separate from the decentralized model proposed in Footprints 2 and the cost that will be attached to that. Thank you.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

One short answer to that one is yes, we would do that. I think it is incumbent of me to say, I am hoping that once we get into a discussion with the federal government there will be a recognition that there are going to be some costs associated with, if you want, pre-implementation of division. Again, I go back to my argument. You cannot simply turn the lights on April 1 and not have, for example, a fiscal regime in place. As my colleague just said, we have to make sure the cheques are written and the bank account has money in it.

If I can simplify it, it would be our intent to keep them separate but at the same time it would be my intention, in my discussion with the Finance Minister , to get him to recognize that some of this pre-implementation will be fundamentally necessary. This is not political, this is just administratively necessary for a government to function, is going to be paid for. Absolutely. Yes.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Qujannamiik. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 411-13(4): Inuktitut School Curriculums

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the past ten years divisional boards have been working on Inuktitut curriculums from kindergarten to grade 12. I would like to ask the Minister how this process is doing. To the Honourable Charles Dent . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the west we have a curriculum called Dene Kede which has been developed for grades K to 6 and in the east there is a curriculum called Inuuqatigiit which, as the Member has pointed out, has been developed for grades kindergarten to grade 12. This allows students to be instructed in their first language. Where there are teachers available who are fluent in Inuktitut, they could use the Inuuqatigiit curriculum. That curriculum is being implemented throughout the Nunavut regions right now. I am expecting to participate in the official launch of the curriculum some time in the next month or two. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regards to the curriculum that will be made available in the Nunavut communities, I wonder how they deal with the difficult words? Would this be dealt with through the Language Bureau of the government departments? Is this being dealt with by the technical committee? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture, and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Language Bureau has participated in some of the development. A large part of the development of the curricula has involved bringing elders together from many different communities across the Northwest Territories. In many cases, it has not required the development of new words. Through bringing elders together and talking about concepts, ways have been found to express the concepts within the Inuktitut language. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Oral questions, Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 412-13(4): Incremental Infrastructure Costs Prior To Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 928

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for division. I am curious as to whether or not there is an agreement in place as to who will pay for the incremental cost on infrastructure that is required prior to division. For example, if there were 50 homes being built in Arviat and 30 offices prior to 1999, who will pay for the upkeep of these units prior to 1999? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would be the federal government. It certainly would not come out of this budget. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Roland .

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Question 413-13(4): Formula Funding Negotiations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 928

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for FMBS and Division. I would like to know, from the Minister responsible for the Division Secretariat, if the draft terms of reference for the negotiations for formula funding, where are they in the process? What timeline are we looking at? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If my honourable colleague is referring to the document that I shared with the western coalition last week, my understanding is everybody has signed off on it and we are just waiting for Mr. Martin to send a letter confirming it. The only reason we

have not received it is he is very busy selling the budget he announced on the 18th. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us what timeline we will be looking at for sitting down and beginning formal negotiations with the federal government? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have suggested to my colleague and the western coalition while the federal government has the responsibility to call us to the table to initiate discussions on timelines and the framework for two new formula financing frameworks, I think it is incumbent upon us to take the lead and call a meeting of both the officials of the northern coalition, the GNWT, NTI, interim commissioner, and the western coalition to see if there is some common ground we can reach prior to us going to Ottawa at the official level and starting the discussions on the formula arrangements.

As we speak, I am having my staff draft the appropriate letters to the appropriate parties, suggesting we meet as quickly as we can to see if we can reach a common position on the approach we will take when we sit down with Mr. Martin's officials in April. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 414-13(4): Practise Of Awarding Housing Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 929

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A few days ago I wrote the Minister of the Housing Corporation regarding the contracts for the construction of housing units. This morning I received some more phone calls concerning this same area. In the Baffin region and in other regions of the Territories there might be a change in the practise of awarding contracts. Usually the contracts for erection of houses are for labour only and these benefited a lot of the small construction companies. Could the Minister tell me at this time, is there a change from the labour only to supply and erect these houses? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Housing Corporation has been one of the biggest supporters of small businesses and small construction companies. We have gone to great lengths to ensure the small companies get the experience necessary to be able to compete on their own. The issue the Member is talking about, the two different ways of tendering for the building of new houses, the labour-only contracts and the supply, ship and erect contracts, are two different ones that are used throughout the Territories. In some communities we have used one over the other or a combination of the two.

In the Baffin region, as the Member says, there have been many requests by LHOs to go the supply, ship and erect route by local housing organizations and by some of the companies. It is an area we are looking into, an area that most of the region is interested in and I think is the way of the future in many cases.

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Thank you. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a very serious issue because a lot of the small construction companies which provide work in our communities do the labour only. They do not have the cash flow, for example, to bring in materials to do supply and erect and that is the reason for the labour-only contracts. Can the Minister assure this House that he will actually re-examine this area? This is a major change in direction in policy for this government. Can the Minister tell this House that he will re-examine this and see what the status is? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Qujannamiik. The honourable Minister, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, this may be a change for a few of the companies that have been working on labour-only contracts. The supply, ship and erect contracts have been going on for some time and is the preferred method for some companies. I do understand the Member's concern. I did see the two letters from two companies in the Baffin. We are looking at them and are considering them. There are cases where a company needs a different type of arrangement for financing purposes and we will remain flexible and assist them wherever we