Debates of Sept. 14th, 1992

This is page numbers 889 - 914 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was public .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Member's Statement Regarding The Late Bishop Paul Piche

Comments Made By The Hon. S. Kakfwi To The Gwich'in Assembly

Aboriginal Justice Reform Initiative

The Allocation Of The Finance And E.d. & T. Portfolios To One Member

The Need For Upgrading The Cape Dorset Airstrip

Suggesting No Future Sessions Be Held In September

Member's Statement Regarding The Late Bishop Paul Piche

Member's Statement Regarding His Absence From The House Last Week

Member's Statement Regarding The Late Bishop Paul Piche

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Question O754-12(2): Implementation Of Report Of The Traditional Knowledge Working Group

Question O755-12(2): Aboriginal Justice Initiative Consultation

Question O756-12(2): Better Access To Education

Question O757-12(2): Individual Whose Complaint Led To The Board Of Inquiry

Question O758-12(2): Implementation Of Recommendations Of Task Force On Aboriginal Languages Report

Question O759-12(2): Clean Up Of Abandoned D.e.w. Line Sites

Question O760-12(2): Statistical Information Compiled By The Department Of Education

Question O761-12(2): Summaries Of Attendance And Spending At Territorial Restaurant At Expo '92

Question O762-12(2): Southern Institutions' Rejection Of Northern Students

Question O763-12(2): Acquisition Of Surplus D.e.w. Line Assets

Question O764-12(2): Release Of Report Of Saskatchewan College Of Physicians And Surgeons

Question O765-12(2): Report Of Saskatchewan College Of Physicians And Surgeons Sealed By Court

Question O766-12(2): Legality Of Regional Council Meeting During Session

Question O767-12(2): Status Of Kiosk At Toronto Airport

Written Question 55-12(2): Results Of Assessments

Written Question 56-12(2): Location Of Assessments

Government Liability For Action Against A Producer By C.e.m.a.

Written Question 58-12(2): Government Obligations To Advise C.e.m.a. Of Export Violations

Return To Written Question 48-12(2): Court Administration Costs

Item 9: Replies To Budget Address

Committee Report 17-12(2): Report Of The Standing Committee On Finance: Review Of The 1992-93 Main Estimates

Bill 9:

An Act To Amend The Insurance Act, Moved Into Committee Of The Whole

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Comprehensive Audit Of The Northwest Territories Power Corporation

Public Inquiry Into Medical Services In Fort Smith

Public Inquiry Into Medical Services In Fort Smith

First Reading Of Bill 33: Appropriation Act No. 2, 1992-93

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Second Reading Of Bill 33: Appropriation Act No. 2, 1992-93

Second Reading Of Bill 32:

An Act To Amend The Young Offender's Act, No. 2

Second Reading Of Bill 31:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Bill 31:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act, Moved To Committee Of The Whole

Item 19: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Member's Statement Regarding The Late Bishop Paul Piche

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, welcome back. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of my constituents today, I rise to pay tribute to the late Bishop Piche, who would have been 83 years old today. Bishop Paul Piche died on Friday, September 11, in Edmonton. Bishop Paul Piche was born on September 14, 1909 in Gravelbourg, Saskatchewan. He attended school in Gravelbourg College in Saskatchewan and later graduated from the University of Ottawa, taking philosophy and majoring in anthropology.

Bishop Paul Piche was ordained a Priest in December 31, 1934 and he was appointed in March 1959 as Bishop. He was consecrated as a Bishop on June 11, 1959. Initially, he was installed as a Vicar Apostolic of MacKenzie on June 21, 1959 and he replaced Bishop Trocellier who passed away November, 1958.

The Bishop of MacKenzie Diocese was installed in June, 1967 at the Cathedral of Fort Smith. In June of 1984, many of us in Fort Smith, as well as myself, were in attendance, honouring Bishop Piche in a jubilee celebration for his 25 years of service.

In 1986, Bishop Paul Piche resigned as Bishop, being replaced by Father Croteau, who is now our Bishop. Bishop Paul Piche held the title after he retired, of Bishop Emeritus, which means, "full of merits" in Latin.

I know that Bishop Paul Piche held this title with great respect. Bishop Paul Piche served many of my constituents, along with many people in the MacKenzie Diocese, with a full and very challenging job.

We will deeply miss Bishop Paul Piche and he leaves to mourn many of his relatives, particularly a niece with the Grey Nuns, Sister Denise Piche. When he retired, he retired with the Oblates at the Placid Place in Edmonton. I had recently seen Bishop Piche.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell your allotted time has expired.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to seek unanimous consent to continue.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell , the honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays, please proceed Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Member's Statement Regarding The Late Bishop Paul Piche

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you honourable colleagues. I had recently seen Bishop Paul Piche on August 26, when he was in Fort Smith, at the opening of the personal care unit. At the time his smile as always, will be remembered, and his laughs with the people will always be remembered. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Comments Made By The Hon. S. Kakfwi To The Gwich'in Assembly

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a few comments about some statements made by a Minister of this Assembly.

The honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Minister responsible for Aboriginal Rights and Constitutional Development, made a presentation to the Gwich'in Assembly in Fort McPherson in late August. In his presentation, he talked about the role of civil servants in implementing community transfer initiatives.

The Minister also expressed opinions on the role of M.L.A.s in meeting this government's initiatives. For instance, the Minister claims that self-government talks have slowed considerably since the community transfer initiatives were announced last fall. I also understand that the Minister stated that part of the delay is caused by M.L.A.s, who passed a motion in this Assembly last fall, saying they want to be involved in the decision making.

I am very disappointed and cannot even envision why a Minister of this government would think that I, as an ordinary M.L.A., and those who sit on this side of the House, would even consider interfering or meddling in the operations and management of this government. How naive can one be?

My colleagues, and I, were elected to do exactly that, make recommendations and decisions on the running of this government on behalf of the citizens of the Northwest Territories. So, I for one, Mr. Speaker, intend to fulfill my responsibilities as a M.L.A. and hopefully, when given opportunities, become involved in the decision making.

Mahsi Cho.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Aboriginal Justice Reform Initiative

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In August of 1991 the federal government announced that it had earmarked $26.4 million, over the next five years, for aboriginal justice reform.

Later today, I will table a discussion paper prepared by the Honourable Kim Campbell, federal Minister of Justice , which outlines this initiative in detail. While it is an impressive sounding project, Mr. Speaker, I must express some serious concerns.

First, the initiative promises significant consultation on aboriginal justice issues between the federal government, native organizations, and provincial and territorial governments. However, the project has been underway for over a year, Mr. Speaker, and I have yet to hear about any consultation, involving communities at this grass roots level. Has federal and territorial consultations begun? Are they involving only the so called experts in our senior bureaucracy? I will be calling on our Minister of Justice to clarify this.

I have a further concern about this federal initiative as well. This relates to the appointment of Don Avison, as the Director of the Council for Aboriginal Justice Administration. Honourable Members will recall that he was the Crown Prosecutor who ordered the arrest and detention of Kitty Nowdluk Reynolds.

Ms. Nowdluk was a victim of rape who was shamefully jailed and transported across Canada in handcuffs, something that would never have happened to a white woman. When questioned in the House of Commons, the federal Minister indicated that she felt that Mr. Avison was uniquely qualified to take the lead role in this aboriginal justice initiative. Based on his handling of the Kitty Nowdluk affair, I must disagree with this appointment. I am interested in learning more about how this decision was made.

I will have more to say on this topic at a later time, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Mike .

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The Allocation Of The Finance And E.d. & T. Portfolios To One Member

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to comment on a problem, which I believe exists, with respect to the way the Government Leader has allocated portfolio assignments. I wish to suggest to her that the same Ministers should not hold responsibilities for the Department of Economic and Development and Tourism, and Finance. It is my opinion that the mandate priorities of these departments conflict with each other. I also recognize that the time commitments required to carry out ministerial responsibilities for these two busy and important departments would overwhelm almost any single Minister.

I would draw your attention, Mr. Speaker, to the fact that during the 11th Assembly, the Minister of Finance had responsibility for a much smaller portfolio of Justice, and the Highway Transport Board, as well as House Leader duties. At the end of the 10th Assembly, I believe the Honourable Tom Butters was allowed to concentrate exclusively on the Finance portfolio. I believe that the assignment of these two conflicting and overwhelming portfolios to our current Minister of Finance is not the best distribution of responsibility.

I would note that neither this current report, nor this "Strength At Two Levels" review recommend that these responsibilities be combined. Perhaps, that is because the working groups in each case recognize the inherent conflict in mandate and time pressures involved in these two portfolios. Later today, I will make my reply to the budget address, and will comment further on the reasons why these assignments should be reconsidered.

In closing, I wish to assure the House that I am not expressing a lack of confidence in the current Minister, the honourable Member for Hay River . Rather, I believe, that the reassignment of these two responsibilities will improve its efficiency, not only within Cabinet, and this House, but also in terms of services and programs which are our constituents rely on. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements, Mr. Pudlat .

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The Need For Upgrading The Cape Dorset Airstrip

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand today to express concerns of the people of Cape Dorset. My statement will be to the Government Leader , and Minister of Transportation . The people of Lake Harbour are experiencing inconvenience because of the airstrip. The airstrip has to be upgraded, capital expenditures should be forwarded at an earlier date and also because this inconveniences scheduled flights into the community, and that also, it is a hardship to the community in the winter time.

The Hamlet Council has agreed that the upgrading should start very soon, and that the Minister of Transportation should work on this, and the Minister has a copy of the letter. If you require a copy of the letter, I have a copy, regarding the airstrip in Cape Dorset. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Need For Upgrading The Cape Dorset Airstrip

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Suggesting No Future Sessions Be Held In September

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot recall whether any of the Members from the eastern Northwest Territories have mentioned the fact, that this particular month is a very important month for Inuit. The month of September was traditionally a very busy month for hunters. It is a time when the weather is cool, not only at night, but also during the day. It is a time for caching meat. This traditionally was a month in which the hunters would try to catch as many animals as they were able. This was a month when the meat was not going to be destroyed by bugs, or insects.

This month, the weather will not always allow a hunter to do what he would like to do. He will be controlled by the conditions of the great outdoors, and yet the hunter will strive to meet his needs for meat to last the winter; a winter which could, historically, make or break a group of Inuit. Today, if you were to check on how many older Inuit were employed, who will take time off in the month, you will probably find that most, if not all, will take some time off.

I recognize that this is an unusual year, and that this will not likely happen, in that we will meet in the month of September, but I find that I have not been able to be as involved as I should be. My heart has been back home caching meat. I would be remiss in doing my duty if I did not participate in this very important process of this Legislative Assembly. I have found, Mr. Speaker, that timetables of aboriginal peoples and that of southern timetables do not match. They never have, and they probably never will.

This month, there will be all kinds of Inuit hunters who will spend as much of their time as possible on the land. As would be the case for some of the Members in this Chamber today, I would like to suggest on behalf of the aboriginal Members, that this Assembly avoid sitting during the month of September next year, and other years to follow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Suggesting No Future Sessions Be Held In September

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Member's Statement Regarding The Late Bishop Paul Piche

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I wanted to make a statement as an M.L.A. about Bishop Piche, who passed away just recently. As many people in the western Arctic know, he was the Bishop that set up the institution remembered as Grandin College. He believed that in all our communities up and down the western Arctic between the Beaufort, the Delta, and all our communities down the valley, there were people who could and would form a strong cadre of potential future workers and leaders from the communities.

He set up Grandin College to seek out those of us who were interested, those of us who were supported and encouraged by our families, to voluntarily go to this institution. Myself, I spent six years from the age of 12 until the age of 18 at Grandin College. This was 10 months of the year, leaving home at the end of August, and returning at the end of June the following year.

I think the majority of us who attended this institution from the early 1960s until the early 1970s all remember it with many fond memories, with very good feelings about the staff, the supervision, the role that the Bishop personally played in the education and development of us as young people, and who will be requesting of the M.L.A.s at the appropriate time to ....

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi , your allotted time has expired.

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Member's Statement Regarding The Late Bishop Paul Piche

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I request unanimous consent to continue.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is requesting unanimous consent. Are there any nays? Please proceed, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. I will be requesting the blessing of our fellow M.L.A.s to take a little time out on Thursday afternoon, so that some of us can attend the funeral in Fort Smith, Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Member's Statement Regarding His Absence From The House Last Week

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe in accountability, and already did tell caucus that I would miss the opening of this session, of this Assembly.

I did so, Mr. Speaker, because some months ago, I had planned to visit my old parents in Wales, and did not believe when I bought my tickets, that this Assembly would agree to meet in the month of September. So I, in fact, had planned to be away during the month of September and changed my tickets several times, because it seems that the character of this particular Assembly is one which is completely different to previous ones. We seem to meet more often, and there seems to be a much busier schedule.

However, Mr. Speaker, having now made that a public fact, that I did miss the opening, for both the information of my constituents, and all other colleagues who did not know where I was when we opened on Wednesday. I would like to say, Mr. Speaker, that in the time that I was out of the country, I thought quite a bit about this place I have now called my home for more than 30 years. I found that the places I visited were not really happy places.

The cost of living is very, very high, the people are not in particularly good spirits, the weather, as always, was awful and the cheapest meal I had during the last month was when I arrived in Edmonton last week, and had a meal at the Nisku Inn. It was the cheapest meal I, in fact, had for the month that I was away from Yellowknife. I am very, very happy to be back again amongst friends. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to take this occasion to express my condolences on the passing of Bishop Piche. I, for many years, have had a good friendship with Bishop Piche, while I was at Fort Smith, and later on, after I moved here to Yellowknife. Quite a number of my constituents are from the Fort Smith area, and on a couple of occasions, have asked that I express their sadness at his passing.

A couple of points on Bishop Piche. He certainly was a powerful man in his own right, he advanced the cause of young northern people greatly in his regime as Bishop and as Pastor. One thing that should not go unnoticed, is the fact that he is the first Canadian to hold the position of Bishop of the Mackenzie Delta.

His passing, Mr. Speaker, will be sad, but we of Christian faith, celebrate his transition from this place to his eternal reward. We extend our condolences to his family and many friends, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question O725-12(2): Increase In Contracts Going To Northern Companies

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Todd on September 9, 1992, an increase in contracts going to northern companies.

The government has seen an increase in the percent of its contracts going to northern firms, since the new Business Incentive Policy was implemented. The following information is provided for Public Works, Government Services and the N.W.T. Housing Corporation.

For the Department of Public Works in the 1991-92 fiscal year, 88 percent of all construction contracts were awarded to northern companies. During the first three months of the 1992-93 fiscal year, this increased to 94 percent, an increase of six percent.

For the Department of Government Services, a comparison was done for the months of July and August from 1991 to 1992. In July and August of 1991, 47 percent of all goods purchased were bought from northern firms. During the same two months this year, this increased to 61 percent, that is an increase of 14 percent. Northern purchases account for 52 percent of the dollar value spent in 1991-92. This increased to 62 percent during the first three months of the 1992-93 fiscal year. That is an increase of 10 percent.

For the N.W.T. Housing Corporation, it is not possible to compare this year to last year. This is because the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, the major funding partner, did not accept the Business Incentive Policy last year. On June 3, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation agreed to application of B.I.P. Unfortunately, by then, the majority of the Corporation's supply and construction contracts had already been awarded. To the end of August this year, supply tenders amounting to $12.7 million, or 74 percent of the total dollars, have been awarded to northern companies.

Southern companies were awarded $4.6 million or 26 percent of the total. The Housing Corporation anticipates a significant increase in northern involvement in the 1993-94 contracting season, with the C.M.H.C. now agreeing to the application of the B.I.P. Thank you.

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Question O754-12(2): Implementation Of Report Of The Traditional Knowledge Working Group

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. In June, my honourable colleagues from Deh Cho and Inuvik raised the issue of the report of the traditional knowledge working group. On June 24, the Honourable Titus Allooloo told this House, that he had directed the Department of Culture and Communications to prepare a paper for Cabinet review.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, will the new Minister advise the House whether that Cabinet has yet developed a strategy for implementing the Report of the Traditional Knowledge Working Group?

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, because of the consolidation, and the other changes that have taken place, we have to consider all the matters that have been traditionally separate from each other, we are still discussing how we are going to handle that. In that case, not yet, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Will the Minister tell me, if any work has been done with respect to the direction given by this group, by the questions asked by my colleagues from Inuvik and Deh Cho, with respect to a report from the traditional knowledge working group? You cannot put everything on hold, because we are amalgamating, we still have to go on.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, there is a prepared document and has the Cabinet dealt with that yet? I said, no. There is a prepared document, and I will be ready to take that.

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Question O755-12(2): Aboriginal Justice Initiative Consultation

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Justice . In my earlier Member's statement, I referred to the federal government initiative on aboriginal people and justice administration. One of the goals of the initiative, is to promote and support effective consultation with aboriginal organizations, as well as Metis, and to provincial and territorial governments.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on the issue of community justice initiatives, the Department of Justice has continued to encourage communities to take on some rather substantial discussions with us, toward taking over more responsibility for the administration of justice. To that extent we have been involved in three community meetings so far, one is with Fort McPherson, we have had meetings with Fort Good Hope and Fort Simpson. There is a request now to have a meeting initiated with the community of Fort Franklin.

As well, communities like Coral Harbour, Whale Cove, Coppermine and Rae Edzo, have expressed an interest in initiating discussions on the way in which they may try to take some role, or involvement, and participate in the administration of justice, which has historically been assumed to be the total realm of the visiting court circuits. We have taken a positive turn in this initiative.

We have not gone much beyond this point, because the philosophy, nationally and with the Department of Justice, is that this all has to be community driven and it would be conducted in a way, and in a nature, in which the communities feel much more ownership to responsibility.

In regard to a relationship with the federal justice people, it has been understood for some time now, that we will take a cooperative, flexible approach in dealing with communities, and as my initial reading is that the approach that the federal officials are taking are in line with the approach that we have taken on this initiative. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary, the federal initiative promised to include consultation with aboriginal organizations. Can the Minister indicate whether the department has been asked to assist the federal Minister of Justice , or the federal Minister of Indian Affairs, to coordinate or participate in consultation activities with aboriginal organizations?

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Mr. Speaker, I am not aware, nor do I believe, that initiative has been undertaken at this time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary to the Minister is with regard to recognizing that the aboriginal people and justice administration initiative is of significant importance to the people to the Northwest Territories, and recognizing that federal funds were earmarked for the project over a year ago. Will the Minister of Justice contact his federal counterparts, and have their Director General initiate the process of consulting with Territorial government, native organizations and aboriginal communities without further delay?

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Mr. Speaker, yes.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my statement, I indicated that there was $26.4 million over the next five years for aboriginal justice reform. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice , of the $26.4 million, how much is earmarked for the Northwest Territories?

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Mr. Speaker, I take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question O756-12(2): Better Access To Education

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for the Minister of Education . Recently, I have done some research into the number of northern students graduating from high schools across the Northwest Territories. I have discovered that students from some communities have been far less successful in achieving graduation, than those from other communities. For instance, I was dismayed to learn that over the past five years, only seven students from Cambridge Bay have graduated and there have been only two students from Coppermine in the past five years.

In contrast, there have been 13 graduates from Tuktoyaktuk, and the same number from Fort Simpson. I know that there are many bright and hard working youngsters in both Coppermine and Cambridge Bay. I have wondered whether the difference in graduation rates exist because they are receiving less than adequate preparation for high school in these communities? My question is, can the Minister assure this House that he does not support the concept of double standards where students in some communities receive better access to an elementary and junior high education than others?

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Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister request that his department undertake a review of the quality of academic preparations provided to the post-secondary students in Coppermine and Cambridge Bay to ensure that they are receiving the best possible preparation for high school? Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, that is already underway, and we are preparing a number of guidelines as to how we can best serve the whole territory. That is also part of the proposed high school policy, which we will be working on, so that education across the N.W.T. is of the same standard, and also, that it is a standard that will be set for the southern universities once they graduate from high school. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to pose a question to the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Health has initiated a board of inquiry on September 3, referring a report to Dr. Covert. Under the Act of the board, under the Medical Professions Act regarding the board of inquiry, it indicates that a board of inquiry shall be established once a complaint has been received. Pursuant to

section 24, "any person may lodge with the president, a written complaint against a medical practitioner." I would like to ask the Minister of Health , who was the complainant?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Medical Profession Act also allows the Minister to appoint a board of inquiry. I think it is pursuant to

section 21, "investigate any matter referred the board of inquiry by the Minister", so Mr. Speaker, it is not only in the case of a complaint that a board of inquiry can be established. In this case, Mr. Speaker, to anticipate the Member's next question, there was not a complaint. However, as I have stated in the House, what did happen which caused me to establish a board of inquiry, was that there was a review done at the instance of the then Board of Management of the Fort Smith Health Centre by the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons.

That independent body reviewed medical practice at the Fort Smith Health Centre, and other matters, and prepared a report which caused me as Minister of Health , responsible for safeguarding the public interest, to have concerns about medical practice at the Fort Smith Health Centre. It is that

report, and the matters raised in the report, about raising questions about medical practice at the Fort Smith Health Centre, which have caused me to establish the board of inquiry, not the specific complaint of a patient, as is contemplated elsewhere in the Act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

If I could take this opportunity to welcome on behalf of our Assembly the Honourable Jean Chretien, Leader of the Official Opposition, Madame Chretien, and Ethel Blondin, Member of Parliament for the Western Arctic.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Health in his response, is he indicating to this House that he was the complainant for the purpose of setting up the board of inquiry? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

No, Mr. Speaker, I would not characterize it as that. I would say that I have the authority as Minister, to refer a matter to the board of inquiry. The matter referred to the board of inquiry is the report of the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons which raised serious questions about medical practice at the Fort Smith Health Centre. I was not a complainant. I was, rather, acting to refer a matter, namely a report about medical practice at the Fort Smith Health Centre to the board of inquiry, as laid out in the Medical Professions Act. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I understand that Culture and Communication has a responsibility to translate the key months, and everything else, however, the construction of these sign are the responsibility of the G.N.W.T. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Yes, Mr. Speaker. As many of the Members of this Legislative Assembly realize, since the Official Languages Act was passed, the government has proceeded to do a number of things within that commitment we made at that time. What we have done now, in order to consolidate, to try and find out where we are, and at what stage we are going to take the official languages, as well as the traditional knowledge, we have reorganized the responsibility under the Government Leader 's Office, because it is an overseeing of languages to all departments.

The Department of Public Works would be the client department that would be putting up signs which is directed or required from different departments. As well, we formed the Working Group on Official Languages and Traditional Knowledge in the Government Leader 's office, mainly to reassess what we have done to this date, and where we are going from here. So, this will put out a major focal point on answering many of the questions that a Member would have on where we are, and where we are going. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Government Leader inform this House the progress of this report, the report of the Task Force on Aboriginal Languages? It does give a timetable and the implementation for the next ten years. It has been five years, over five years now, and within that five year time frame there are a number of initiatives that should have been done. I would like to ask the Government Leader if she could inform this House on the progress of the implementation of the recommendations?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have two pages of the actions that have been taken by the department, spread across the government, and where we have been. Exactly where they fit into the timetable I am not quite clear, but I realize that there are some areas of the Official Languages Report that we have not met those timetables. Rather than going over these two sheets of paper and listing them, I would be pleased to present them to the honourable Member.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the implementation of this report was recommended by this Assembly. It was not my report, I am not responsible for it, I was just part of the process. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not she would provide those two sheets to all the Members? I believe that a lot of the Members were here when the implementation process began.

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Mr. Speaker, I will have that circulated. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Qujannamiik. My question will be for the Minister of Renewable Resources . He will know that the environmental restoration of D.E.W. Line sites has been controversial for our government going back as far as the 10th Assembly, when our current Government Leader held the Renewable Resources portfolio.

In fact, it was back in March 15, 1985 that this Minister stressed the fact, that it was because of her prompting that the federal agencies were starting to take the issue of D.E.W. Line clean up requirements seriously.

I understand that the federal Department of National Defence targeted five abandoned D.E.W. Line sites which were to be assessed for cleanup requirements. These initial assessments were to be carried out during the summer of 1992. Can the Minister assure the House that he has continued to insist on the same level of Government of Northwest Territories input into D.E.W. Line clean up decisions, as was established by the Honourable Nellie Cournoyea over seven years ago?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Welcome back, Mr. Speaker. First of all I would like to say that I took the newly appointed Minister of the Environment, Jean Charest, to Iqaluit about two years ago, to introduce him to one of the sites that were contaminated by the military. Also, this summer he extensively visited sites throughout the Baffin and Central Arctic. I had a chance to talk to him on the need to clean up the North and these sites.

Mr. Speaker, later on this week I will be happy to give a report on what the government has done in terms of cleaning up sites, and also their plans to pursue sites that need to be cleaned up. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. In that case, can the Minister explain to the House, and to the people of Baffin Island and the Keewatin, why not one of the abandoned sites targeted by D.I.A.N.D. for initial assessment was located east of King William Island?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, what was the question? I was not clear on the question.

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Ms. Mike , would you care to repose the question?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Can the Minister tell the people of Baffin and the Keewatin, regarding the D.E.W. Line sites left behind by D.I.A.N.D., when they would clean up the site east of King William Island?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, I will have to take the question as notice.

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for Education . As I mentioned earlier, I have been attempting to carry out some research into graduation patterns across the Northwest Territories. The department has been able to supply a listing of the total number of graduates from communities across the Northwest Territories, and I will table that later this afternoon.

However, I was amazed when someone told me that the department is unable to provide a breakdown, as to which of these students received an advanced diploma, and which received general diplomas. I was also surprised that neither the department, nor Akaitcho Hall, were able to supply the number of students from each community who were presently attending high school here in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, I feel that this is fairly important information for the school system to be keeping. My question is, can the Minister indicate whether my understanding is correct? Is their record keeping so inadequate in the Department of Education, that even the most simple statistical breakdown is not available? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have a very thorough recording system of graduates, what they are graduating from, from what community, and from what grade, etc. These are all readily available from my department, if the Member wishes to examine them. Otherwise, I could supply those if he wants me to do so.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . As I am sure he is expecting, it is about Seville, or the shortfall there. Mr. Speaker, when our participation in Expo was announced in the spring of 1991, the projected attendance for the Canadian pavilion was just over three million visitors. Of this I understand that we expected to attract some 193,000, or six percent of the visitors to the Canadian pavilion to our restaurant for some good northern country foods.

Obviously, Mr. Speaker, something has gone very, very wrong. Either the number of customers just were not there, we could not attract them, or they are not spending any money. Would the Minister provide a

summary of all information available on the levels of attendance and spending at our restaurant in Seville?

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Hay River

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister also provide similar information on attendance and spending levels for the retail outlets at the Canadian pavilion?

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct this question to the Minister of Education . We have been working hard toward education in the north. In the 1990-91 school year, I do not know the exact number of people who have passed. There have been a number of students requesting to go to southern schools. Would the Minister please inform the House, why some of the students, who are requesting to go to southern schools, are not accepted?

Could he also indicate that of the students who are not approved to go to southern schools, if there are programs available for them in the north? Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am well aware of the facts the Member has stated. Sometimes the students refuse, and it is because of the education program for the secondary school. We agree on the budget yearly, and according to the budget we agree on in the Legislature, is sometimes misunderstood towards the programs for the students, but when there is funding, money available, the students are most welcome.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Yes, Mr. Speaker, we are well aware of that when there is funding available, because of the deficit and due to lack of funding, the students requests are not being met. We will, therefore, have to work harder and help our students to work towards staying in school. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stood up because I was willing to answer his response. I stood up without realizing. The funding is small. The Members of the Legislative Assembly agreed upon, as we all know, and have to go by the budget that we agreed upon for the funding for the Department of Education. The budget is agreed on in the Legislature.

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Item 5, oral questions. Ms. Mike .

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Question O763-12(2): Acquisition Of Surplus D.e.w. Line Assets

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, plans are apparently in place for the closure of certain D.E.W. Line facilities across the Northwest Territories.

On March 12, 1992 I was very glad to hear my honourable colleague from Keewatin Central, raised the matter of this government's role in the acquisition of surplus assets which may become available as a result of closures.

At that time, the Minister was able to outline his plans for the coordination of the acquisition process but was unable to provide the House with much indication as to the cost or the type of assets.

Is the Minister able to advise the House today about what progress has been made during phase one of the acquisition process, in which the inter-departmental committee was supposed to be examining the disposal of movable assets and equipment, and departments were supposed to identify if they are interested in them?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have purchased approximately $265,000 of equipment from the federal government, the majority of that has been moved to Pelly Bay, Spence Bay and Cambridge Bay. The United States Air Force moved the equipment to Cambridge, they were going to move it to Hall Beach, we paid them some extra money, and they did move it to those other two communities.

There is still some furniture at camp five, and I think the residents of Pelly Bay are going to pick that up this winter. We have also purchased or made arrangements to move some lists of equipment to the Kitikmeot, in Pelly Bay, a towed roller, four by four pick up, tractor, dump truck, scoop loader, tractor trailer, and various other departments have picked up equipment as well. Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, it would be more advantageous if I tabled it tomorrow in the House, the list of equipment that we have already purchased. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. I think if we could, we will take a short recess, we will stop the clock, proceed when we come back, so Members have a chance to meet with Monsieur and Madame Chretien. We will take a short break.

---Applause

---SHORT RECESS

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, Oral questions, so then 20 minutes and 15 seconds to go. Oral questions, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question O764-12(2): Release Of Report Of Saskatchewan College Of Physicians And Surgeons

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health .

Mr. Speaker, quoting the unedited Hansard for Thursday, September 10, Mr. Patterson indicated in this House, and I quote, "Mr. Speaker, on July 15 of this year Dr. Uma Viswalingam requested an injunction to prevent the release of the college's report. That matter was dealt with by the court, and appealed from the lower courts decision was heard in the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories on August 10. The Appeal has been adjourned without a certain date of return, and the Supreme Court file has been sealed. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that since the matter is before the courts, and since the issue is before the courts, I must not release it."

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister since he indicated that the report should not be released in this House, why has he released it to Dr. Covert. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Well, Mr. Speaker, with respect to the Member, I think there is a great deal of difference between releasing it in this Legislature to the public, and releasing it to a duly appointed officer by statutes, namely the President of the Board of Inquiry under the Medical Profession Act. I think there is a great difference between the kind of public release that I was being pressed to consider in earlier questions, and the very privileged, confidential releasing of such a report to a person appointed under a statute of this Legislature, with a very clearly defined mandate jurisdiction and responsibility.

So, I do not think the situations are at all comparable with the greatest of respect. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister indicate what other individuals, or individual, that he may have released this report to? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the only people that I know of who have received this report, are the former Chairman of the Board of Management of the Fort Smith Health Centre, Mr. Pete Fraser, to whom the report was submitted, since it was that board that commissioned the report: Mr. Don Ellis, the Public Administrator, who has in effect, replaced the Board in overseeing the operations at Fort Smith Health Centre; Dr. Covert, for reasons that I have just discussed, and I have seen it, Mr. Speaker, as Minister of Health , my Deputy Minister has seen the report. It has been given to Madam Cournoyea, the Premier , but otherwise, Mr.

Speaker, to my knowledge, the circulation of the report has been very restrictive respecting the sensitive and very confidential nature of the matters reviewed, including information about treatment of individual patients.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to advise this House a quote of a letter that I got from our legal counsel for the Legislative Assembly, and I certainly hope that I am not out of order, but you would advise me accordingly if I am.

Mr. Speaker, I asked legal counsel for the Legislative Assembly to determine whether or not the court records regarding this, are available to me as a Member, to advise my constituents as to what is going on, and they indicated to me, and I would like to quote, "They confirm that the court record pertaining to Dr. Uma Viswalingam's suit against the Fort Smith Health Centre Board of Management have been sealed pursuant to the Court Order Justice Award granted August the 10, which the Minister indicated in this House.

After all parties to the litigation indicated that they were in agreement with the entire file being sealed, the only portion of the file that is available to us are the Clerk's notes. However, the writer was advised they were unable to photocopy the Clerk's notes. A review of the Clerk's notes indicate that there was an application made in late July, for an injunction to prevent the Board of Management from dealing with the report.

This application was denied by Justice Richard, however, leave was granted to the parties to renew their applications at a later date, and the matter was subsequently heard in the chambers on July 27, and adjourned to August 10. On August 10, the court file was sealed, and the remaining matters pending before the courts were adjourned. The only way to unseal the file, is consent of all parties involved, or a court order. So, I would like to ask the Minister, since the file was sealed, how does he take it upon himself to release this report accordingly?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I believe the honourable Member is assuming that the Saskatchewan College Report, the investigation into the Fort Smith Health Centre, is one of the documents in the sealed court records. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that the Saskatchewan College Report is not one of the sealed documents. To answer the honourable Member's question, I do not believe that the very limited release of the Report of the Saskatchewan College as I have outlined it, would in any way conflict with that court order, since that report is not one of the documents that was placed under seal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I nearly called the Minister what I believe is an unparliamentary name, so I will not say it. Mr. Speaker, the Minister in this House, and I have the unedited Hansard for Thursday, September 10, stated "Mr. Speaker, on July 15 of this year, Dr. Viswalingam's request and injunction to prevent release of the College's Report," so now how can he indicate to this House that report was not part of the documents sealed? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the issue before the Court, which is still before the Court, is whether the document in question should be released to the public, as I understand it. Mr. Speaker, I believe the rules of this Legislature state that when a matter is before the Courts, and the matter is whether this document should be released, it would be inappropriate for Members of this Assembly to take action which could, in any way, effect or prejudice those proceedings. That is my understanding of the sub-judiciary rule, Mr. Speaker.

So, I referred to this judiciary rule, because the Member was asking me to take action that was presently under review by a Court, namely whether the document would by released publicly, and I believe that would be prejudicial to the eventual outcome of the court case. In no way, in responding to the question, Mr. Speaker, was I suggesting that the actual document was part of the sealed court records. Rather, the issue of the release of the document is before the court, and taking action one way or the other would be, in my view, prejudicial to the rights of the petitioner in that very court proceeding.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker. It is unfortunate that the matter of sub-judice is not a matter of convention, it is not a matter for the Minister to interpret for the Speaker. In fact, it is a practice that is normally adhered to by all Members, including Ministers, not to hide behind the issue. Mr. Speaker, I could have risen on a point of privilege, because I think that my privileges as a Member were negated by a remark that was, in fact, made by the honourable Member previously.

I recall answering, quite clearly, a question, I think not to question or impinge upon the sub-judice convention, but I asked a very clear question and it was this, could the Minister indicate to me whether or not the report of the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons, was one of the documents that was sealed by the Court?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that, no, it was not one of the documents sealed by the Court. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, Oral Questions. New question, Mr. Gargan .

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Question O766-12(2): Legality Of Regional Council Meeting During Session

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Mr. Speaker, last week on September 9, 10 and 11, the Deh Cho Regional Council met at the Hay River Reserve. The Ministers have relied strongly on acts to respond to Members. The Territorial Hospital Insurance Act, the Medical Professions Act and the Public Inquiries Act.

However, Mr. Speaker, last week the Deh Cho Regional Council met. I have no objection to it, but under the Regional Councils Act under

section five of the Act, it provides that every council must meet at least once each year, half of every calendar year. Each council is to determine, at each meeting, the dates of the next meeting. The council may hold meetings at any time, except when the Legislative Assembly is in session. Mr. Speaker, I did inform the Minister of the meeting, and whether or not it was legal for the council to meet.

Unfortunately, he did not respond to me. I would like to know if the meeting did take place and whether or not, since the Ministers are so keen on referring to Acts, why the Minister, in this case, did not act?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for the N.W.T. Development Corporation regarding the arts and crafts retail outlet at the Lester B. Pearson International Airport. I was wondering if the Minister could tell us what the status is of the outlet? Is it up and running at this time?

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