R. v. Ururyar, 2016 ONCJ 448
Opinion
CITATION: R. v. Ururyar , 2016 ONCJ 448 ONTARIO COURT OF JUSTICE BETWEEN: HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN — AND — MUSTAFA URURYAR Before Justice M.A. Zuker Heard on February 1, 2, 3, April 11, May 3 and 24, 2016 Reasons for Judgment released on July 21, 2016 Ms. J. Lofft .............................................................................................. counsel for the Crown Ms. E. Bristow ........................................................ counsel for the defendant, Mustafa Ururyar M.A. ZUKER, J.:
PART I - THE FACTS Examination In-Chief by Ms. Lofft [ 1 ] Mandi Gray has been a student at York University, a graduate student. She began her master’s degree in the Fall of 2013 and then in the Fall 2014 started her PhD. She was teaching in the Department of Social Science, a Criminology class, but is a graduate student in sociology. She first knew the accused or first met him in mid-January, on or about January 16, 2015. Mr. Ururyar was also a graduate student from a different department, but also a first year PhD student.
His area was the Department of Political Science, also at York University. [ 2 ] In addition to being a graduate student, Ms. Gray was a teaching assistant and in the student union. She met the accused at the first union meeting that she attended. They met at the CUPE office at the University of Toronto, in downtown Toronto. After the union meeting everybody said that they were going to be going out. She decided to join along because the friend that brought her to the meeting invited her to come out with everybody. [ 3 ] Mr.
Ururyar came in towards the end of the meeting that evening and then came over to the bar with them. Ms. Gray saw him a number of times before the events on the night that resulted in these proceedings. [ 4 ] Some friends, also from York University, were going out to Victory Café and so she decided to meet up with them there. It is a small bar/café near Bathurst and Bloor in Toronto. There was some people from CUPE. They had won the strike vote that day that would allow them to go on to strike. It was kind of a mixture between a union get-together but also people just from class socializing.
She went to the Victory Café and had a couple drinks with her colleagues. And then she texted and asked Mr. Ururyar if he wanted to come out. She did not provide those texts, but she knew she asked him to come out. He was sick but eventually, he did show up at the Victory Café, along with everybody else that was there, probably 10 - 15 people. The meeting time was probably around 8:00 or 8:30 p.m. A lot of mutual friends were present at Victory that evening. [ 5 ] She didn’t expect him to show up because he had told her that he was sick and was going to stay home.
She remembers saying: “Hey, like, I’m here, if you want to come.” And then he said he was sick, and then he changed his mind and showed up. He showed up
around 9:00 p.m. They were having beers. Before he arrived, she probably had one or two. She was surprised as he kept saying he was sick and he wasn’t going to come and then he changed his mind at the last minute. She was socializing with the people she knew and he was kind of socializing at another table with the people that he knew from Political Science and the union. They were talking. They were at different tables. She remembers him asking her not to touch him in public, which was off-putting and surprising to her. It’s not that she was hurt but before it wasn’t an issue if his girlfriend knew about them.
Before that night, he was like touchy in public but, then, that night he said he didn’t want her to touch him in public because he didn’t want his girlfriend to find out, again, never an issue prior to that date. [ 6 ] Ms. Gray and her friend Lacey wanted to go out. Mr. Ururyar indicated some of the union people were going to head over to Paupers, just at Bloor and Bathurst area, very close by the Victory Café. She settled up her tab, maybe one more beer before she paid and then they walked over to Paupers. She had maybe three, four beers.
She had arrived at the Victory Café at around 7 and then left around 10 or so. At Paupers, Ms. Gray became friendly with several people. It was mostly Lacey. She knew Mr. Ururyar. She knew Lacey the best because she met her in her first year at York in her Masters. At Paupers, Mandi was tipsy but this was not a complete loss of control, just having fun and being silly drunk with her friends. But not out of control or falling over. [ 7 ] At Paupers she continued to drink beer. Most of the night she was sitting at a booth, socializing with people she had recently met through the union. Lacey was there and Mr.
Ururyar was there. He did not have much interaction or much conversation with either of them at the bar. It was mostly talking with people that were also there because of the CUPE strike vote. They stayed until the lights came on, until closing, about 2:00 or 2:30 in the morning. “Like, I asked – ‘cause I was drinking a lot, I asked Mr. Ururyar if I could spend the night over at his place and like I said – and then he said that he was sick, so I could sleep over but he wouldn’t have sex with me which I thought was totally weird thing to say, but I kind of just wanted somewhere safe to sleep.
So, I said “Okay”, and then I remember I just went, like it didn’t really like phase me, I just thought it was kind of an odd thing for him to say. But I just went and sat back down and didn’t really talk to him much for the rest of the night. And then when the lights came on, because I had made plans to crash over at his place....” [ 8 ] They left and were going to get something to eat but nothing was open. They continued walking up to Bathurst and Bloor, outside of Honest Eds. Mr. Ururyar kept asking Lacey to come home with them. He kept pushing her to keep drinking. He was adamant that she come back and drink.
This was strange because he wasn’t drinking all night, he was sick, he wasn’t feeling well. [ 9 ] Ms. Gray did not remember seeing him have a beer the entire night. She wasn’t interacting much with him that night. Maybe she didn’t see him drink. She thought it strange because all of a sudden he was so adamant that Lacey come home with them. His apartment was small. It would be weird for Lacey to come back with them, especially because it was 2:30 in the morning and she was just ready to go to sleep. “And she kept like saying no.
She’s like: “No, I don’t want to”, but he kept pushing and like asking her and, and then I could tell she was uncomfortable and I felt uncomfortable but I didn’t think too much of it at the time. And then, then a cab came and she hopped in and as soon as the door closed, that’s when everything really took a turn for the worst. Q. Okay, so she –- when you say she hopped in the cab, that’s Lacey you’re talking about? A. Yes, Lacey hopped in the cab.” [ 10 ] Lacey got in the cab and then at that moment the tone of voice of Mr. Ururyar changed and, at first Mandi was caught off guard by it. He was angry.
He articulated his anger to her. "First, the anger began because he said that I was unable to meet his sexual needs and that he wanted Lacey to come home with him and I, because he wanted to have sex with both of us. And .... Q. What was your reaction to that? A. I was really caught off guard and confused because that was not a conversation that the three of us had had. I noticed that he was really adamant asking her to come back to his place but it wasn’t explicitly stated that it was he wanted to have sex with both of us and it was really confusing to me.
And then the anger began to escalate and he said things that I was an embarrassment, I was embarrassing myself, I was a drunk, I was needy. He just really like began to tear away any sense of like self-esteem that I had at the beginning of that night. Q. Okay. And did this take place while you were still standing on the street or were you headed somewhere? A.
Yeah, we were –- it began as soon as Lacey got in the car about like you, you’re not trying hard enough to please me sexually and then I –- we began walking towards his apartment because, like I said yesterday, I had asked if I could crash at his place.” [ 11 ] The anger just kept escalating. “A. His tone of voice just started to get harsher and more blunt and direct and saying things about me to make me feel like I had done
something wrong and I started to believe it, and it was like I knew this person and then after that moment of Lacey leaving, he turned into somebody that I had never seen before, I had never encountered and it was like everything about him completely changed. I didn’t even recognize who he was and like, I felt so small.” [ 12 ] She thought she must have done something terrible. She was conflicted and confused. There wasn’t a lot of dialogue. It was mostly him talking to her. She was confused and mostly quiet. She does not believe she challenged any of it. He kept going.
It just kept getting harsher both in terms of his tone of voice but also the things he was saying about her. They didn’t have a conversation about it, yet it was like an expectation that wasn’t being communicated, with her or Lacey. No conversation. She didn’t talk to him the entire night, so she wasn’t sure where this person who was needy was coming from and it was all very confusing to her. “I’m a person that once –- I go inwards, right and I don’t express when I’m feeling hurt or sad or angry. I’m more of an introvert in that way, so I just internalized it all and I just took it.
I don’t remember responding.” “It was just like, oh, you’re just like all the other women, in reference to another particular women (sic) that he had a sexual relationship with. You’re just a slut, you’re just –- like, all these derogatory terms.” [ 13 ] In her head, Ms. Gray didn’t want anything to do with Mr. Ururyar after this night. She didn’t want to be friends with somebody that’s going to call her the names and treat her like that in a physical relationship. “We got to his place and after being talked down to, I don’t know how long the walk is but, it’s a pretty good walk.
I remember just like, I was just like, I just was no longer was present. I just like, because I was just hearing all these terrible things about how horrible I am and how much of a drunk and a slut I am, I just wanted to go to sleep. I just wanted to wake up and like, move on with my life without this person in my life. And we got to his place and I was just ready to go, to crash ‘cause like obviously the night didn’t have a good end to it and I was just exhausted and tired and ready to go to sleep.” [ 14 ] At Paupers she spent about $40. She didn’t eat anything so she assumed she spent about $40 on beer.
She didn’t remember if she purchased a beer for anybody else. “Obviously, I was intoxicated enough to seek out somewhere else to sleep because I felt vulnerable in that I didn’t feel comfortable catching a cab by myself because I knew, I knew that I was vulnerable. I was intoxicated.” “I remember just feeling like, well, like a little dizzy, a little tipsy and like, as we were walking and like, I think the alcohol also helped in terms of just like completely numbing me, like emotionally when I was being talked down to.” [ 15 ] At Mr.
Ururyar’s residence, you go up a set of stairs, a house converted into an apartment building. You walk up the stairs and then there’s a kitchen, a washroom and the bedrooms. She assumed it was three bedrooms. She did not recall seeing or talking to anybody else when she was there, the early morning hours of January 31, 2015. “A. From what I remember, I ended up in his room. I was sitting on his bed and again, that verbal aggression began to escalate. I remember feeling really scared because this is somebody that I had never seen. I had never seen that kind of anger.
I hadn’t – it was like, I thought I must, I must have done something like really badly to deserve this and I began getting scared. I don’t know like, if it – like, I just felt like a very real threat of potential physical violence in that moment and I remember being scared and I remember just completely like, just sitting there and taking it because I was like, I just hated myself so much in that moment.
Like, he had destroyed any self-esteem I had, I was like, I don’t care, I just want to die right now because this hurts so bad.” “I thought that was a friend or like a decent human would say all these horrible things about me and they must be true and I, I just, I hated myself, so I just - he just continued and he continued the verbal aggression and that, yeah.” “I remember the last thing he said to me was this is the last time I’m ever going to fuck you and you’re going to like it and that has stuck with me every day for the last year.
And that’s the last verbal conversation that I remember between the two of us.” [ 16 ] They went right to his room. His aggression continued. “I don’t think I could even describe it if I wanted to of (sic) terms of like how his entire physical body just changed and his tone of voice. It was like a person I didn’t even recognize, like I –- he wasn’t the person that I knew. He wasn’t –- he wasn’t that person. It was like, it was like someone I had never met before and it was just totally confusing to me because I just didn’t know what to make of any of it.
But no, it was just – yeah, it was just a continuation of what was happening on our walk, in terms of you’re a drunk slut, I don’t like you, I don’t want anything to do with you, you’re needy. Yeah, my girlfriend’s going to find out, you are – yeah, just continuing the same few lines about me. Q. Okay. And then what happened? A. Okay, so then he said what I had said earlier. And the next thing I remember is, okay, I was sitting on the corner edge of his bed and he was standing up looking down on me when he was talking down to me, like literally talking down to me.
And I don’t remember him taking off his clothes or how that happened, I was not an active participant in that. He grabbed me by the back of the head and pushed his penis into my mouth.
Q. Okay. And what – and then what? A. It just continued and you know at that moment, I’m like first of all, I hate myself. I just, I’m intoxicated, I have no ability to fight back and I, like I said, that threat of physical violence was very present and I was like, I would rather take this than the risk of physical violence because I don’t know what this person is capable of. And I know if I comply with this, I know how this is going to go or I thought I knew how it would go. It was just like, I just like, I just stopped caring and I just let it go the way – whatever, I was just, I just didn’t care anymore. Q.
Did you consent to that? A. No. Q. So, you said he grabbed you by the back of the head? A. Yeah, and he pushed my –- like he pushed and like the back and like, then he just like pushed his, himself into my mouth and I was like whatever, I’ll just, I’ll just comply because I don’t know what the repercussions of me saying no will be. Q. Okay. And then did he ejaculate? A. At that time, no. Q. Okay, so what happened next? A. I don’t know when that ended or how long that lasted for. I kind of checked out of my physical being. I just, I just went with the motions just to get it over with quick as possible.
And then I, I don’t know, I think he pushed me onto the bed. I’m pretty sure that must have happened because I –- and then he started having sex with me and I just laid there.” “Right before he grabbed my head. That’s what he said to me and I remember like him saying that and I was like: “Like, we’re having sex now. Like, what – this isn’t how you have sex with somebody”, but I was so scared, I was like, yeah, I didn’t know what else to do, so I just went along with it.” “I guess it stopped whenever he was ready to finish. I don’t know how long it lasted.
Like I said, I kind of just completely checked out of my physical being, just ‘cause I just, I couldn’t be present in that.” “I just like was in the fetal position, like crying so much. And like, I don’t cry often, like I don’t cry very often so when I cry like, you know you did something really bad.” “And he just like totally blew it off and just like went to sleep, no big deal. Like, it was – yeah. And I .... Q. Do you remember whether he said anything to you? A. I think he told me to like be quiet, or something along those lines.
And I just passed out, I was just so exhausted and tired and like, I just like – like I said, I just like wanted to die in that moment. I just didn’t want to live like that. I didn’t want to feel that way and I just didn’t care about myself anymore and I just passed out. Q. What is the next thing you remember? A. Oh, I woke up because I could feel him masturbating next to me and I was so mad. I was so mad because he knew I went to bed crying last night, the night before, sorry. He knew I went to bed crying the night before and I was just so confused, like what about this situation is like good for you.
And he noticed that I was awake and he went and again, put his hand on the back of my head and tried to like push my head back onto his penis. But I was feeling a little bit, I was much more sober at that point, I had slept for a few, for a bit and I just said: “No, like I’m not doing this.”” [ 17 ] She got up, she put on her pants and she left his apartment. It was about 9:00 in the morning. She was waiting for the streetcar to go home, at College and Bathurst and she texted her friend and told her what happened. That was at about 9:45. According to Ms.
Gray, when he grabbed her head in the morning, they were still in the same bed. There was no verbal communication. “I just said: “No, I’m not doing this”, and I got up and like, I left and I didn’t say bye, I didn’t say anything.” [ 18 ] Ms. Gray went home. She slept for a few hours. She woke up feeling conflicted and confused. She felt like he must have misread something.
She didn’t know what she was thinking or like what she wanted from him, but she texted him and said: “Last night was really fucked up.” “And he responded to me: oh, okay.” And that was the last they both communicated to each other. [ 19 ] She again stated that she didn’t spend a lot of time with him that evening. He was sober from her best guess. [ 20 ] She gave evidence that she just turned inwards and went into a depressed state. [ 21 ] On February 1st, 2015 she was encouraged to report.
She decided that maybe she wouldn’t report but, at least she should go to the hospital and do the forensic test just in case she changed her mind. She went to the Women’s College hospital. It was closed. She then went to Mount Sinai and met with the forensic nurse, or sexual assault nurse. She agreed to move forward with the kit. She would make up her mind later about what she wanted to do with it, but just to have the collection of that evidence. She was accompanied by her friend Lydia. She then went home and decided late Sunday evening that she wanted to get the kit done. By the time she finished up, it
was about midnight. Monday morning came and she was supposed to go into work to T.A. February 2 nd . She stated that she didn’t know what would happen if she reported to the police? Both of them were graduate students. How that would impact her career? She called her graduate program director and asked her for advice. She also called the union. She was worried as Mr.
Ururyar was an executive of the CUPE local at the time. “I just said: “One of the executive members of CUPE raped me on Friday night and I don’t, I need to know how you’re going to deal with this if I report to the police ‘cause I’m really scared of this person.” [ 22 ] She called non-emergency and the police dispatched two officers to her apartment that evening. She waited a few hours and they showed up. She gave her statement that same night. The officers came, they took their initial statement and then they took her to 14 Division.
She met with Detective Chuck Barry and his colleague and she did a KGB statement. The text she had from Mr. Ururyar was the last communication she had with him. Examination In-Chief by Ms. Bristol [ 23 ] “Q. Mr. Ururyar, did you have sex with Mandi Gray the morning of January 31st, 2015? A. Yes, I did. Q. Do you believe the sex was consensual? A. Yes, there’s no doubt in my mind.” [ 24 ] The accused is a PhD student in Political Science at York University and a teaching assistant there. He and Ms. Gray met at a union meeting on January 16 th of 2015. He had a girlfriend on January 30, 2015. Her name is Alison.
She was living in Montreal. They had been together just short of three years at the time. It was an open relationship. They had agreed that during the time that they were living in different cities, it would be okay if they saw or slept with other people. It was supposed to become monogamous again in April of 2015, when Alison was going to move back to Toronto. It ended up becoming monogamous immediately after he was charged. [ 25 ] He told Alison that Ms. Gray had made an allegation of sexual assault against him. He was innocent. He saw Ms. Gray on January 30, 2015 at Victory Café around 9:00.
A few of his friends and colleagues had gone there after their strike vote on campus. They were going to have some drinks. He decided to go home because he wasn’t feeling a hundred percent. He then got some texts from Ms. Gray saying that she wanted him to come to the bar and then they would have sex afterwards. “Q. Okay. And was it your intention to have sex with Mandi that night? A. Yes. I was going to –- I thought that we could do it, yeah.” [ 26 ] He had a beer at home before going to Victory Café. At Victory Café he had a beer there.
There were a number of people, mostly from the Political Science and Sociology Department, about 15 to 20. He sat next to her when he arrived at the bar. They talked. They flirted. At one point in the evening, she began to grope his leg. She was rubbing her hand up and down his leg inside. It made him feel uncomfortable. He didn’t want to show that sort of affection in public. He was there with his friends and colleagues and he didn’t think it was appropriate. He quietly asked her to stop.
He stated she had a beer when he arrived and he thought she ordered one more before they left. [ 27 ] They went to another bar called Paupers, after about an hour, hour and a half. Mr. Ururyar, Ms. Gray, and her friend Lacey and a few other people, maybe 5 or 6, mostly from the Political Science Department walked about 15 to 20 minutes to Paupers. They took their seats. They ordered drinks. Ms. Gray and Mr. Ururyar sat next to each other in a booth with maybe 4 or 5 other people. They were talking, having a good time. She again began to grope Mr. Ururyar leg’s underneath the table.
This time it was a bit closer to his genitals, it was the inner thigh, upper thigh. Again, it made him uncomfortable. He asked her to stop again. They stayed there until closing about 2:45, 2:50 a.m. He had 2 to 3 beers. She ordered the 1 beer when they arrived later in the evening. He saw her with another beer in her hand, at least 2. They weren’t sitting close to each other or standing close to each other for most of the time at Paupers. He left with Ms. Gray, her friend Lacey, his friend Indigo and a mutual friend Gazem. They started walking west from the bar towards Bathurst.
At one point, Indigo and Gazem left. He invited Lacey to come over to his place. “A. Ah, I just said: “Do you want to come over and have a drink with us, with Mandi and I?” Q. And what was Lacey’s response? A. She was thinking about it, she was on the fence. Ah, but then she eventually decided that she didn’t want to and she hailed a taxi.” [ 28 ] At Victory Café, we arranged she would come over to his place. She said that she wanted to come over and he said sure. “Q. Did you have any conversation with, ah, Lacey or Ms. Gray about having a threesome that night? A. Ah, no.
No.” [ 29 ] At one point in the evening, he said his friend Gazem came up to him and said that Ms. Gray was planning a threesome with him and another person, and the thought of a threesome crossed his mind after that. He stated he met up with Gazem a couple days later and she asked him if he was still seeing Ms. Gray and she also asked how the threesome was? He said that he wasn’t seeing Ms. Gray
anymore and the threesome did not happen. [ 30 ] After Lacey left, they started walking towards Mr. Ururyar’s place. The walk to his place is about 15 to 20 minutes, just south of College, along Bathurst. Q. “Walk. Was there any conversation between yourself and Ms. Gray during that walk? A.
Yeah, I expressed disappointment that Lacey didn’t want to join us and then Mandi said that -- Mandi asked: “Am I not enough for you?” And I said: “Yes, you are.” And we kind of held –- I put my arm around her waist and she put her arm around me and we walked down the street.” [ 31 ] He gave evidence that they talked about the weather and the upcoming strike. He stated Ms. Gray said that she was looking forward to coming over and having sex. He said that he would try but couldn’t promise he would be able to, physically. He wasn’t feeling a hundred percent. He was still recovering from a cold that he had all week.
As they were walking home, they were not arguing. Their voices were not raised. He was not angry. Ms. Gray seemed to be buzzed to him, under the influence of alcohol, but not to the extent that she didn’t have control of herself. “She was you know, I guess rosy cheeks, um, happy, um ,. yeah, seemed to be having a good time”. She was not slurring her words. She wasn’t intoxicated beyond previous occasions that they were together. He wasn’t. [ 32 ] His apartment was on the second floor. When you walk in, there’s a kitchen and there’s a couch there as well. And that’s the common space, no real living room.
There’s a washroom on the right hand side and on the left, there’s a hallway that leads to three bedrooms. His bedroom is situated as the first one on the left. He had two roommates. [ 33 ] “Q. Now, describe what happened, ah, when you arrive at your apartment with Ms. Gray? A. We walk in, I lock the door behind us. Mandi goes into my room, I follow her. We get undressed, ah, and we get into bed.” “Q. What size bed did you have? A. A queen size. Q. And can you describe the position of your bed in your room? A. It’s on the right hand side when you, -- sorry, it’s on the right hand side when you walk in.
Um, the right side of the bed is along the wall, as well as the headboard. Q. Okay. And you said that you got undressed. Did you help each other get undressed? A. No, we undressed ourselves. Q. And did you tell Ms. Gray to get undressed? A. No. Q. Did Ms. Gray tell you to get undressed? A. No, she didn’t. Q. And do you recall what Ms. Gray was wearing after she got undressed, if anything? A. I think she was still wearing her tanktop, um, but I’m not sure if she was wearing anything else besides that. Q. What about yourself? Were you wearing anything at all? A.
I was wearing a long sleeved shirt and long underpants. Q. Okay. And, ah, so that you got under the covers. Who got under the covers first? A. Mandi got under the covers first. Q. And, so, where was she positioned in the bed? A. She was on the right side, along the wall. Q. And where did you end up going? A. I was on the left, the side closest to the middle of the room. Q. Okay. Was there any lights on in the room at the time? A. Ah, there was at first the main light and then I switched it off and turned on the lamp next to my bed. And I eventually switched that one off too. Q.
Do you recall when you switched that one off?
A. I think it was after we’d undressed already. Q. Okay. And so, describe what happened, ah, while you were in your bedroom? A. Ah, after we were in bed, Mandi moved towards me to kiss me and I moved away. Q. And why did you move away? A. Ah, I said that, ah, -- I moved away because I wasn’t very happy about how she had behaved at the bars, ah, in regard to the groping and I told her that. And I said that I wanted to end the relationship because it seemed like we weren’t compatible. It seemed like we didn’t have the same ....” [ 34 ] He said his girlfriend was going to be moving back in April.
So I told her that we should just be friends. She began to cry and she apologized. “I tried to console her and I apologized for making a big deal of the groping and I, yeah, I you know, just held her and tried to, I touched her arm and her back. Q. And anything else happen? A. Ah, she turned a little bit and then we started to kiss. Q. Did you lean in to kiss Ms. Gray? A. Ah, we leaned in towards each other. Q. And what happened next? A.
Ah, we were kissing and then we started to touch and then I rolled over on to my back and she got on top of me and she pulled my pants down and I took my shirt off and she began to perform oral sex. Q. Did you touch Ms. Gray at any point while she was doing this? A. I was touching her arms, her breasts, her shoulders and her head. Q. Were you touching her in any forceful manner? A. No. Q. Was there any conversation or anything said during this time? A.
After maybe a minute or two, ah, I think I said: “Do you want me inside of you?” And she said: “Yes.” And then I think I said, I asked her to turn and she did and she got onto all fours and we had sex in that position. Q. When you say in that position, what -– what are you referring to? A. It’s, I guess it would be referring to the doggie-style position. Q. Okay. And, ah, were you ever on top of Ms. Gray? A. No, I wasn’t. Q. Did, um, did you ejaculate that night? A. Yes, I did. Q. Were you using a condom? A. No. Q. We had not been using a condom for the last few times that we’d been together.
Mandi said that she was keeping track of her cycle. Q. And what, if anything, happened, um, after you had sex? A. After we had sex, we got back under the covers and I think we were sort of cuddling and spooning. Q. Did you notice if Ms. Gray was crying at any point? A. No, I did not. Q. Did, ah, you ever say to her that it had to be the last time?
A. I think I said that before we started having sex, ah, I said that this should be the last time that we sleep together or sleep in the same bed. Q. And why did you say that? A. Ah, because I didn’t want her to –- I just wanted to be honest and say you know, that ah, I didn’t want this to continue, our relationship to continue. Q. Did you believe that the sex was consensual while you were engaging in intercourse? A. Yes, I do. Q. And why did you think that? A. All of the sex acts that took place were mutual. We were both participating in them, the kissing, ah, the oral sex and the intercourse. Q.
Was there any indication to you that Ms. Gray was not enjoying herself? A. No, there wasn’t. Q. Was there any indication to you that she did not want, ah, she wanted you to stop? A. No. Q. Did Ms. Gray cry at all during intercourse? A. No, definitely not. Q. Did you ever get an impression that Ms. Gray was unhappy or not enjoying herself? A. No, I didn’t get that impression. Q. Did you ever feel that Ms. Gray was non- responsive to your actions? A. No. Q. Did you ever get the impression or see Ms. Gray’s eyes closing or appear that she was passing out?” [ 35 ] Mr. Ururyar stated that he woke up around 10 a.m. Ms.
Gray was standing at the foot of the bed already dressed. She had her parka on and her boots and dark pants. She was looking angry. She felt used. He said he never tried to push Ms. Gray’s head onto his penis in the morning. Later that day he got a text from Ms. Gray a couple hours later and the text read: “Last night was really fucked up.” Q. And did you respond to that? A. I responded saying: “Okay.” Q. And when you got the text message from Ms. Gray, what was going through your mind at the time? A.
Um, my mind, I thought that she was referring to me making a big deal of the groping and, ah, breaking up with her before we had sex. Q. Was there anything else that was going through your mind? A. No.” A. Ah, after I didn’t hear back from her for a few days, I texted her saying that I was sorry, um, for how the night progressed. Q. And what did you mean by that? A. I was referring to, you know, me getting annoyed and upset about her groping me and saying that the relationship was over, but then proceeding to have sex anyways. Q. Was there any other reason why you were apologizing? A. No. Q.
And had you spoken to Ms. Gray since then? A. Ah, no, I have not.” [ 36 ] Mr. Ururyar gave evidence that he saw his roommate Phil that afternoon. Phil’s room is behind his bed, behind the headboard. After a couple weeks, after he was charged, Mr. Ururyar talked to Phil about the charge. After he was charged, he was suspended as a teaching assistant and suspended from coming to campus on most days. He first learned that the police were looking for
him on the morning of February 15 th . He noticed that he had a number of missed calls from the same phone number. He called the number back and Detective Stephen Barry answered the phone and he said that Ms. Gray had made allegations of sexual assault against him. He was stunned and speechless. He didn’t know what to say. The last time that he observed Ms. Gray drinking alcohol was around last call, around 2 a.m. He had sex around 3:30 a.m. He didn’t have very much to drink that night. [ 37 ] “Q. Okay. Was there any doubt in your mind whether or not the sex was consensual? A. No, there’s no doubt in my mind. Q.
And can you describe all the reasons why you believe that? A. Well, beginning at the text message in the evening when she said that she wanted me to come to the bar and then we would go and have sex. And then at Victory Café, we arranged for her to come over to my place, ah, and on the walk home, she also said –- she also expressed wanting to have sex when we got back to my place. Um, and then when we started kissing, she then got on top of me to perform oral sex and then she got into a position for us to have intercourse. Q. Okay. Did you force Ms. Gray to perform any of those sexual acts? A.
No, not at all.” Cross-Examination by Ms. Bristol [ 38 ] “You were a social worker prior to grad school? A. I worked at Elizabeth Fry Society of Manitoba as a reintegration worker. Q. Okay. And, in particular, you’ve worked with women who were survivors of sexual violence, correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you’ve also worked with and perhaps this is the same workplace, but you’ve worked with female prisoners who have experienced sexual assaults, correct? A. This is correct, yes.” [ 39 ] On January 16, 2015 at a union meeting, she first encountered Mr. Ururyar. They walked over to the next bar, to Victory Café.
There were about 6 to 7 people who were there that night. [ 40 ] At Victory Café, they all split a pitcher from what she recalls. Afterwards they went to another bar. A lot of the people were new to her, a lot of them went over to Hurricanes on Bloor, that includes Mr. Ururyar. They walked there. They were just talking about their program of study, making small talk with someone she just met. The evening progressed. She thought the person was interesting and seemed really genuine and nice and they continued drinking. [ 41 ] “Q. What was the impression that you got after speaking with these women?” [ 42 ] “Q.
When you say didn’t seem to add up, what do you mean by that? A. I don’t know if I can repeat this without and saying something that someone else said to me.” [ 43 ] “A. Well, I’ll just say it and you can stop me if it doesn’t work. So, this woman confronted me in the bathroom and they, they (sic) said: “Just be careful, he’s a misogynist asshole and I had a sexual relationship with him and it ended really badly. So, just be careful.”” [ 44 ] The first night she met him, she found out he had a girlfriend and she did confront him about that later that evening.
On January 16 th , to her knowledge, the relationship with Mr. Ururyar’s girlfriend to her knowledge, was an open relationship. [ 45 ] “Q. Okay. Now, I’m going to suggest to you that Mr. Ururyar never made any mention of his girlfriend finding out about your relationship or being upset that his girlfriend was going to find out? A. On what day? Q. On any day? A. I would disagree with that statement. Q. Okay. And when did he tell you that his girlfriend was –- or he was upset about his girlfriend finding out about your relationship? A.
The first day I started questioning how open the relationship was, was the time when I was over at his place and he was talking to her on the phone and he made it very clear that I couldn’t talk, I couldn’t be there. And then again, on the night in question it was his girlfriend was moving there and oh – yeah, and his girlfriend was coming, moving to Toronto and yeah, that was a few days prior to the night, sorry, that he asked me if I would continue to sleep with him, but make it a secret so that his girlfriend wouldn’t know.”
[ 46 ] “A. No, no, the first night on January 16th, when I directly confronted him and asked “Do you have a girlfriend?”, would be the first time. And then he communicated that he did have a girlfriend but, it was an open relationship. Q. Okay. And then the second time was when you were at his apartment? A. Yeah, we were just hanging out and she called and he –- I don’t remember the specifics of it but, I know he like blatantly told me to quiet down ‘cause he was on the phone with her, which I thought was – yeah, it was just odd.” [ 47 ] “Q. Okay.
And, so, the third time that happened, I believe you said he had asked you to keep things secret?” [ 48 ] “A. Okay. I don’t remember the specifics, what date it was but, I remember he was over at my apartment and he asked me if I would continue the relationship when his girlfriend moved to Toronto, but I would have to like keep it a secret and I wasn’t into that. But it never –- I don’t remember reaching a conclusion in regards to that conversation at all.” [ 49 ] “Q. I believe you said he brought it up on January 30th, 31st, 2015, right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. So, would that be the fourth time? A.
I guess so.” [ 50 ] On January 30 th , 2015 Mr. Ururyar got really angry with her. He was worried that Alison would find out about them and that people at the bar were questioning him on their relationship status and that it would get back to his girlfriend. Ms. Gray didn’t know why the union would care, everyone slept with everyone in that union. [ 51 ] Prior to going to Victory Café, she was home all day by herself. Around 8:00 or 8:30 she went to Victory Café. There were people from Political Science present but she wasn’t at the table with them.
She was at a table with people she knew but there were also people there that she didn’t know. They were associated with York. Mr. Ururyar came later. [ 52 ] MS. BRISTOW: “Q. And, so, I’ve shown you a copy of some text messages. Do they reflect text messages that you sent and received between yourself and Mr. Ururyar that day, on January 31st?” MS. GRAY: “A. Yes, these are the text messages.” Q. Okay.” “Q. And, so, at 7:55, there’s a text message that’s going from your phone to Mr. Ururyar’s phone, correct? MS. GRAY: A. This is correct. Q. Okay. And that text message says: “I’m at Victory Café ...” Or sorry: “...
Victory. Come drink and then we can have hot sex.” Is that correct? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. A. I said that. Q. Okay. And Mr. Ururyar says: “I’m pretty tired”, in response? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And another text message from Mr. Ururyar saying: “And still sick”, at 7:57:? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then a text message from yourself at eight p.m.: “Okay, sure. Get some rest. Have a good night.” Correct? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And then: “It’s so boring here, you’re not missing anything”, 8:15 – sorry, 8:18 p.m.? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And Mr. Ururyar responds: “Oh, why? At 8:19 p.m.?” A. Yes. Q.
And at 8:23, you send a text message saying: “Weird vibe, I think I’ll go home soon, lol.” A. That’s correct. Q. Okay. And then, at 8:26 p.m., Mr. Ururyar responds: “I’m going to come in a bit.” Correct? Correct?
A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then your response, at 8:31 is: “Oh, miss me that much, jk.” A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then at –- the messages go on afterwards, but you can’t see the rest of the message that you sent, correct? A. Yeah, correct. Q. Okay. Exhibit number 1B): Series of text messages identified. Produced and marked. Ms. Gray gave a statement to the police on February 2nd. [ 53 ] “Q. Okay. But you didn’t make any mention of that text message that you sent asking Mr. Ururyar to have hot sex that night, correct? A. I didn’t think it was relevant to him raping me. Q.
You didn’t think it was relevant at all for the police to know that you had asked Mr. Ururyar to come over – or sorry, for Mr. Ururyar to come to Victory so that you could have hot sex later? A. I also mentioned to you that as soon as I got home that morning, I deleted him out of my phone. I deleted all the text messages and I removed him from my facebook, so I didn’t want to say anything that I couldn’t back up with any evidence because I didn’t, I couldn’t recall exactly what was said that evening.
So, no, I, I couldn’t even remember what I had said in those text messages until you just showed them to me today.” [ 54 ] He said he was sick and tired. She was under the impression that there was no sexual activity taking place that evening. [ 55 ] “Q. You didn’t advise them that you had invited Mr. Ururyar to have hot sex that night, did you? A. I, I told you I don’t, I didn’t remember ‘cause I didn’t have the text messages. Q. I think that’s a very convenient mismemory (sic), Ms. Gray.” [ 56 ] She had 3 or 4 beers. [ 57 ] “Q. Okay.
And, so, you told the police you had three beers, you’d agree with me that your recollection of how much you drank was three beers, not three to four, correct? A. Yeah, I, yeah, I guess.” [ 58 ] MS. BRISTOW: And, so, I’m turning to page 19 of 24, of the interview with Mandi Gray on February 2nd, at 22:47 hours. Q. And just at the third paragraph, it says: “Gray”, I’m reading the fourth line. It says: “I had three beers at Victory Café for sure.” [ 59 ] “Q. The question from Detective Barry says: “How much, how much did you have to drink at the bar?” Did I read that right? A. Yeah. Q. Okay.
And then your answer says: “I don’t remember. I was trying to figure that out. I know at Victory Café, I had, I’m trying to think, I had three beers at Victory Café for sure. Um, and then I was trying to -– I was like trying to, I was trying to figure it out. I think I spent $40 at the other bar, of (sic) beer but I’m not entirely sure. I’m also on medication too, so it doesn’t mix well, like with alcohol so I get really –- I didn’t intend on drinking that much and yeah, I think that’s (sic) was how intoxicated I was.” Did I read that correctly? A. Yes. Q. Okay.
And you –- that was truthful when you provided that statement? A. Yes.” [ 60 ] “Q. Okay. Now, you had testified that, yesterday, that Mr. Ururyar had asked you not to touch him, correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you were –- because you were touching Mr. Ururyar, correct? A. I don’t recall that. Q. Okay. So, you think that Mr. Ururyar just randomly said “Don’t touch me”? A. Like I said yesterday, I was confused because I didn’t know where that was coming from, but I just complied and I said okay. Q. Okay. I’m going to suggest that you were touching Mr. Ururyar at Victory Café? Do you agree or disagree?
A. Um, like touching how, like? Q. You were rubbing his arms? A. I don’t recall that. Q. You were rubbing his inner thigh? A. How? Like, I was sitting down and he was sitting at a different table. Q. But you did say that you were sitting at the same table at one point? A. Yeah, when he told me not to touch him and I said okay, and I wasn’t rubbing his thigh while he was asking me not to touch him because I respect people when they tell me not to touch them. Q. You were rubbing his inner thigh and that’s before he told you not to touch him? A. I don’t recall that taking place.” “Q. You were flirting with Mr.
Ururyar that evening? A. Aside from those text messages, I don’t recall this flirting. Q. So you told Mr. Ururyar: “Let’s have hot sex”, and then you just ignore him for the rest of the evening? A. Like I said, I didn’t ignore him. I was just sitting with my friends and he was sitting with his friends and then we had that brief interaction where he asked me not to touch him and, so, we interacted but not, not like flirting.” “Q. And when you asked Mr. Ururyar at Pauper’s to stay over at his place, he said: “Okay, but we aren’t sleeping together”? That’s your evidence, right? A. That’s correct.” [ 61 ] Ms.
Gray met Lacey in first year of her Masters, the fall of 2013. She was also at Victory Café on January 30 th and she attended Paupers with her. She had spent the night at Mr. Ururyar’s place where she has never been to Lacey’s apartment. [ 62 ] “Q. Okay. And you didn’t think to ask Lacey you know, I’m uncomfortable going home by myself in a cab, maybe -- would you mind if I stay over at her (sic) house, or at your house? A. Yeah, I could have done that and I wish I did. Q. But it didn’t cross your mind at all, correct? A. No, it wasn’t –- yeah, no, I didn’t.
I had asked him and he lives close by, within walking distance. I’ve slept there before and I didn’t think it was a big deal. Q. And the reason you didn’t ask Lacey is because you wanted to fulfil your text message and have hot sex with Mr. Ururyar, correct? A. No, because I respected when he said he was tired and sick and he indicated he didn’t want to touch me and he didn’t want to have sex with me that night... Q. You say .... A. ... and I respected that and I just wanted to go home and sleep somewhere.” “Q. Now, in your statement to the police, you advised them that yourself and Mr.
Ururyar hung out once in a while, correct? A. I think, yeah. Q. Okay. You didn’t want him as your boyfriend though, right? A. I did say that in my statement and that is correct. Q. Okay. You advised the police that Mr. Ururyar tended to message you daily and want to hang out, correct? A. Can I see that?” [ 63 ] MS. BRISTOW: “Q. And Detective Barry says: “Okay, so, between now and January 16th, have you been in a relationship with him?”” “Like it, it’s like a physical relationship. Like I have slept with him a couple times and like, I don’t know.
In the beginning, he was like really, like nice and like always wanted to be around me and then like, after that, like the first week, then it just started like I would only
like see him occasionally. So, like it was, it just changed, it shifted really quickly. So I guess, yeah, a relationship broadly defined, I guess though.” “Ms. Gray testified that she no longer has her text messages. I do. I have the entire two week text message relationship between Ms. Gray and Mr. Ururyar. In these text messages, it’s, in my submission, quite clear that it is not Mr. Ururyar who is saying he always wants to be around her and messaging her and what she wants to do, if she wants to hang out. It’s quite the opposite.” “Q.
Having had an opportunity now to review the text messages, do you agree with me that the correspondence seems more that you are the one who’s wanting to hang out with Mr. Ururyar more frequently than he’s asking you to hang out. Do you agree or disagree? [ 64 ] MS. GRAY: “A. I think we’re making relatively equal efforts. Q. But the questions of “Do you want to hang out?”, “What are you doing tomorrow?” are all coming from you, correct? A. I would have to read these again and count them but, I, I don’t think that’s a fair assertion, no. Q. Okay. Well, let’s go through them. A. Okay. Q.
Now, starting with January 19th, Monday, January 19th, it’s your first message to Mr. Ururyar and it says: “Hey, it’s Mandi, what are you up to?” Correct? Q. Okay. And then there’s some correspondence from Mr. Ururyar: “Not much, just got home from soccer. You?” Correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And he says: “I was waiting for you to text me”, with a smiley face at the end? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And he also says: “I have to prepare some sort of lesson for my classes tomorrow”, correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. You respond: “Also working, not going that well. What time you have classes tomorrow?”, correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And Mr.
Ururyar: “11:30 and 5:30, a couple of office hours from 1:30 to 3:30", correct? A. Yes. Q. And you respond with: “Busy. You? Well find some time to hang out with me this week.” Correct? And you have a, I think it’s a blushing smiley? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And Mr. Ururyar’s response is: “Yeah, I want to. I got much more work done when I was at your place anyways.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then your response is: “Yeah, come over this week. I have lots to read also.” Correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And so that’s one of the messages I’m assuming you would describe as you’re both equally trying to hang out, correct? A.
This is correct. Q. Okay. Now, the next page, Mr. Ururyar says: “I can do Wednesday night, I’m free on Thursday.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then you respond: “Yeah, sure. I have class until 5:30 Wednesday but, I don’t have anything until 2:30 on Thursday.” Right? A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Now, the next correspondence that you guys have is not until Tuesday, January 20th at 9:12 p.m.? A. Yes. Q. And Mr. Ururyar says: “I have a soccer game tomorrow at 11:30 so I don’t know if it will work. I am free tonight though, I’m leaving York now. I understand it it’s too short notice though.” Did I read that right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you say: “Yeah, okay. Want to come over.” Right? A. Yes. Q. He says: “Yes, I will come.” Right? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And then you respond: “If the LCBO is open in Loblaws (sic), you should bring me a king can and I will love you forever.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay.
And you say: “Haha, okay.” Or sorry, he says: “Haha, okay.” A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you say: “Where are you?” Correct? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. Me just flipping the page. You say, or sorry, he says, in response to where are you: “Walking from St. Clair station. Sorry it took so long, LCBO is closed.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you say: “K, see you soon.” Right? A. Mm-hmm. Q. And he asks you what your house number is and you respond? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. Then, he messages you on January 21st, on Wednesday, at 1:39 p.m.? A. Yes. Q. And he says: “Still in the meeting. Are you done tabling.
If there is nobody to take over for you, you could bring the table ipads ...” Sorry: “... bring the table, ipads and other stuff back to the office.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And your response: “Gazem(ph) said she will wait for you.” Right? A. Yes.
Q. Okay. He says: “Did I leave my water bottle at your place? It’s not there –- if it’s not there, I’m afraid I lost it on transit.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And then your response is: “I will look. What are you doing? Are you at the underground?” Correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. His response: “No, I went home. I might have stayed if I knew you were still around. Oh, well.” And, that’s what he said, right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then your response: “I have class every day, 2:30 to 5:30. You going to soccer or you want to hang out?” Right? A. Yes. Q. His response: “Soccer has been cancelled, so sure.
Do you want to come over and watch a movie or do you prefer your place?” A. Yes. Q. Okay. And your response: “Do you want to come to my place? I’m just on my way home from school and I need to do a couple of things. Is that okay?” A. Yes. Q. His response: “My roommate Haley has apparently clogged the toilet with toilet paper so my place might not be a great idea. Yeah, that’s fine.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And then he continues: “I will do so. I’ll go to campus to do some tabling tomorrow and then I’ll come to your place, stay the night and head back to campus for my Friday morning class.”, right? A. Yes. Q.
And you say: “Cool. Hahaha. Guess who came and saw me when I was tabling?” A. Yes. Q. He, Mr. Ururyar says: “Oh God.” And you reply: “You are right, he is an arrogant asshole. How was the meeting anyway?” Correct? A. Yeah. Q. And then Mr. Ururyar: “Really bad, it was a lot of BS and the appointed media spokespeople, not ones I wanted. Most of the meeting was an argument about how much power the bargaining team has in relation to changing the membership bargaining proposals.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And you say: “Ah, fuck that shit.” Correct? A. Yes. Q. And this is all still from Wednesday, January 21st, correct?
Ururyar says: “Haha”, in response to “fuck that shit”. And you respond: “I just got home, what a long day.” And Mr. Ururyar says: “Yeah, too damned long.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And you say: “Yeah, can’t wait to cuddle it up.” And Mr. Ururyar says: “Ah, I know, me too.” And you respond with: “I’m already in bed.” A. Yes. Q. Okay. Mr. Ururyar says: “Sounds comfy. Any sign of my bottle?” Right? A. Yes. Q. And you respond: “Yeah, come. I don’t see it in the kitchen or my room, so I don’t think it is here.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay.
He says: “Fuck, that bottle was expensive.” Mister – or, sorry, you respond with: “That’s the worst.” Mr. Ururyar says: “I wish I was there eating pizza instead of eating carrots.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Then you say: “We can have a good meal tomorrow night. Maybe I will cook you dinner if it’s a good day, lol.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And Mr. Ururyar says: “You would spoil me?” A. Yes. Q. “You would spoil me.” And you respond: “Sure, all three meals today at York, the worst.” A. Yes. Q. You (sic) respond: “Oh, yeah, that’s bad. It’s the main reason I left. I could have stayed to work but I didn’t want to eat there.
However, as a result, I forgot to get a book I need to read on my Friday class, at – by admin (unintelligible).” Correct? A. Yes. Q. And you say: “You can grab it tomorrow.” A. Yes Q. With a question? Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. “I’m just trying to think of a good....” And this is still Wednesday, January 21st. And you reply – or sorry, Mr. Ururyar replies: “Yeah, I don’t really need to go to the campus for any other reason though. I might just try to download a copy. They seem to have enough at people tabling, so I could stay home.” Right?
A. Yes. Q. And your response: “Haha, didn’t you tell me you were –- you are coming tomorrow to table. If it’s at library, I can grab it for you.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Mr. Ururyar responds: “Reflections on the Revolution in France DC150B95. That would be great however, I have found the E-book copy too, so it’s not essential.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And then you respond: “It’s up to you”? A. Yes. Q. Mr. Ururyar responds with: “Well, I have twenty pages in an hour, I think I could go faster if I had the book.” Right? A. Correct. Q. And then we go into January 22nd, correct? A. Correct. Q. Okay. MS. LOFFT: Not quite.
Oh, yeah, that’s right. Sorry. MS. BRISTOW: And that’s January 22nd, 7:47 a.m. Q. You respond to Mr. Ururyar saying: “K, I’ll grab it this morning”? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Mr. Ururyar says: “Thank you. I have a sore throat, still want me to come?” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you respond: “Do you want to?” Right? A. Yes. Q. Mr. Ururyar says: “Yes, you won’t blame me if you get sick too?” Right? A. That’s right. Q. And you say: “I think it is too late for that. I will take my hippie medicine and I will be fine.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. What hippie medicine are you referring to? A. Oil of oregano. Q.
And January 22nd, continuing on, he says: “Haha, okay.”
Right? A. Yes. Q. And your response: “My weekend starts today at five p.m.. Then you want to come over and read books?” A. Yes. Q. And he says: “Yes, I do.” A. Yes. Q. “I woke up” .... Sorry, you say: “I woke up this morning -- sick this morning, as well.” A. Yes. Q. And you say: “Can you text me the book and call number again?” A. Yes. Q. He responds: “Reflections of the Revolution in France by Edmund Burke, DC15-B95"? A. Yes. Q. And you reply: “1968 or 1973 publication?” A. Yes. Q. And you reply, as well: “I was going to get them both but 1968 barcode is missing, so 1973 it is.” Right? A. Yes. Q.
And his reply: “That’s perfect, thanks so much.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And then, and I can go through the text messages if you want but there’s some conversation after that about the printers not working and such? Correct? A. That’s correct. Q. Okay. And after the printer discussion, Mr. Ururyar says: “Geez, well, you’re almost done. What time should I come?” Right? A. Mm-hmm. Q. Okay. A. Yes. Q. And your response: “I will text you when I leave campus. I have no plans so whatever works for you.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then Mr. Ururyar says: “Shall I get some beer or snacks?” Okay? A. Yes. Q. Okay.
And you say: “Yes to both, white beer for me.” Right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then you say: “K, I should be home in about 25 minutes”, and that’s January 22nd at 5:25 p.m.?
A. Yes. Q. Okay. And then Mr. Ururyar says: “Leaving my place now”. Right? A. Yes.” EXHIBIT NUMBER 1C): Series of text messages read into the record. Produced and marked. [ 65 ] MS. BRISTOW: Q. All right. And, so, you had advised that you do recall giving your statement to the police, right? “Q. And sorry, I’m not saying the exact words or the words that you said exactly.
I’m just looking at page nine of twenty-four, and again, Detective Barry says: “Okay, so between now and January 16th, have you been in a relationship with him?” And your response is: “Um, it’s like ...”, The transcript says it’s a typical relationship but my friend and I have agreed that, and correct me if we’re wrong, but in your statement you say physical relationship, not typical relationship, is that right? A. I would have to review the video again. Q. And, so, perhaps we’ll skip over that .... A. But I’ll agree with both. I’ll agree with that assertion, yes. Q. Okay.
So: “... like it’s a physical relationship. Like I have slept with him a couple of times and like I don’t know, in the beginning, he was like, really like nice and always wanted to be around me. And then like, after that, like first week, then it just started ....” [ 66 ] The first night Ms. Gray met Mr. Ururyar, on the 16th, she was under the impression that it was just like they were going to hang out that evening and then that would be it. But, the next day, he wanted to continue hanging out with her.
That was never her expectation but he seemed like a nice guy, he seemed interesting and then they ended up hanging out for that entire weekend. [ 67 ] “Q. You don’t recall a second time Mr. Ururyar asking you to stop touching him? A. That’s correct. Q. I’m going to suggest to you that you were flirting with Mr. Ururyar at Pauper’s, correct? A. I would reject that statement as incorrect. Q. You were touching Mr. Ururyar in inappropriate spots at Pauper’s? A. What? Can you identify how I was touching him? Q. You were touching his upper thighs? A. Well, no. Q. And Mr.
Ururyar -- at Pauper’s, when you first got there, you were sitting at the same table, correct? A. I don’t remember having him sit at the table with me. Q. You were sitting next to each other, weren’t you? A. I don’t recall that.” [ 68 ] It was probably around 2:30 by the time that they left Paupers with Mr. Ururyar and her friend, Lacey. Ms. Gray and Lacey and Mr. Ururyar began walking west on Bloor towards Bathurst, approximately a 3 to 5 minute walk. [ 69 ] When the three of them left Paupers they were looking for food. Nothing was open so they continued on. Ms. Gray walked to Mr.
Ururyar’s apartment at the time at College and Bathurst. [ 70 ] “Q. And during that walk, Mr. Ururyar was getting increasingly angry, right? A. Correct. Q. Okay. And he was yelling at you on the walk, right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. So, with a raised voice, right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And that all started after Lacey left in the cab, correct?
A. Yes. Q. Okay. Now, before Lacey left in the cab, Mr. Ururyar, you say he was asking Lacey if she wanted to come over, right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. How many times did he ask her? A. I recall the first time it being kind of a suggestion, hey you should come over and keep drinking. It must have been more than once because I know after he repeated it, and I don’t know how many times, I thought that it was kind of strange that it just –- the persistent nature of his requests while we waited for her to get a cab and she said no, she didn’t want to. She wanted to go home. Q.
You also asked her if she wanted to come for a drink, correct? A. I don’t remember asking her that. Q. But it’s possible that you did? A. It’s a possibility. Q. And, so, it’s possible that –- you agree with me that it’s possible that Mr. Ururyar was inviting Lacey to come over to continue the evening? Correct? A. I would assume that was what his intention was, yes. Q. And your, you had all gone to go get food but failed, correct? A. It was a suggestion, yeah. Q. Okay. So you didn’t know if Mr. Ururyar was inviting Lacey over to have some food and drink at his apartment, right? A.
I don’t know what his intention – well, I didn’t know what his intention was when he was asking her until the car door – until she left. Q. And Mr. Ururyar, you didn’t hear him mention anything about sex to Lacey, correct? A. Not that I was a witness to.” [ 71 ] “Q. And, so, the reason why you thought it was uncomfortable or it made you uncomfortable that he was inviting Lacey over is because you were jealous, right? A. I don’t think it was jealousy, it was just strange that like, his apartment is really small. In terms of logistics, I didn’t know where we would all hang out and it was really late.
It wasn’t jealousy. Q. It’s not unreasonable —- let me reword that. Have you ever gone to somebody’s house after the bar to just hang out? A. I have, yes, in the past. Q. Okay. So, you’d agree with me it’s not unrealistic to invite somebody over after the bar to hang out? Right? A. No, but how adamant he was, was what was off-putting, I think, to me and yeah. Q. And how is it that you made the determination that Lacey was uncomfortable? A.
I could tell in her tone of voice and she kept asserting that she wanted to go home and I was like, ‘Okay, I’ll help you get a cab.” Like, it wasn’t a big deal but he kept pushing the issue and she kept reiterating no and it was just a really strange encounter. Q. You remember that in great detail, right? You’ve provided a lot of detail to us today? A. Right.” [ 72 ] “A. Yes. And Lacey –- I’ve also –- I’ll be honest, I’ve had conversations with Lacey about it, what happened so that might have assisted my memory as well. I won’t deny that. Q. Who else have you talked to about the specifics of this incident? A.
Mostly just Lacey about that occurrence, that was it. I haven’t talked to anybody else. My therapist, that’s it. Q. You’ve never talked to anybody else other than Lacey about -- and your therapist, about the specifics of January 30th and 31st? A. That’s correct. Q. Okay. You’re not that close with Lacey, right? A. No, but I was trying to make sense of what happened.
Q. Well, what does Lacey have to do with what happened at Mr. Ururyar’s house? A. It has a lot to do with why he had the impression that we were going to go back to his place and have sex, all three of us. So, I asked her if something had occurred at the bar that I was not a party to. And I had that conversation with her.” [ 73 ] “Q. You were disappointed that the second week of your relationship with Mr. Ururyar he was showing a lot less interest in you? Correct? A. I think it was mutual.” [ 74 ] “Q. And, so, why were you angry with him?” [ 75 ] “A. Okay.
So, this one night we went out and he was being really grumpy the entire night and I –- he was sick, remember, he was sick. And he was just being so miserable, I didn’t know what his problem was. And then, so he told me he was going home and I had a bunch of stuff at his place, so I was like: “Okay, I’m going to come with you. I’m going to grab my stuff and then I’m going to go back out with my friends.” [ 76 ] “Q. And, so, the Saturday was January 24th, Friday was January 23rd, do you know which date that was on? A. I don’t recall if it was a Friday or a Saturday. Q. And, so, on that occasion, Mr.
Ururyar had joined you and your friends that evening? A. Yeah.” [ 77 ] “Q. Okay. And what belongings of yours did you have at Mr. Ururyar’s house? A. Just like a backpack with some things in it. And then we went out ‘cause the bar was near his apartment, so I just left them there ‘cause I wasn’t going to carry a backpack with me down College Street. Q. Okay. And, so, after you left Mr. Ururyar’s apartment the second time, to grab your things, did you take your backpack with you?” [ 78 ] On Saturday, January 24th they went out and then we didn’t text again until the Tuesday the 27th. “Q. Okay. And you message Mr.
Ururyar and say: “Hey, what’s up?” A. Yeah. Q. And he responds: “Just eating a late dinner. Still recovering from a cold. You?” Right? A. Yes. Q. And then you say: “Same. Are you feeling better? Miss you.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And then Mr. Ururyar says: “I’m feeling slightly better.” Right? A. Yes. Q. And your response: “Good. Take care of yourself. Heard the meeting today was dramatic as per the usual.” Right. A. Yes. Q. And then he responds saying: “Thanks. It wasn’t that bad, I thought but maybe I’m just getting used to it. I miss you as well.” A. Yes. Q. And then your response is: “Let’s make up”, Right?
Yes.” [ 79 ] “Q. Okay. And you’d agree with me you’d taken cabs by yourself before, by that time, right? A. Yeah, but previously, I had a really negative experience in a cab just a couple weeks prior on my way back from Pearson Airport and I was really apprehensive because of that really awful experience.” [ 80 ] “Q. And I want to return to the evening of the 24th when Mr. Ururyar joined you and your friends. You described an
incident where you went back to Mr. Ururyar’s apartment to get your belongings, right?” [ 81 ] “A. I just thought it was like he wasn’t taking my needs into consideration and I don’t think it was uncomfortable, it was just like why are you disregarding what I’m asking you.” [ 82 ] “A. Okay, so, how it went down was we went –- he went into his –- we went into his room or he went into his room. I was there and then he like, he started watching porn, didn’t like ask me or anything, just put it on, started watching it and then he just wanted to have sex with me right in that very moment.
And I indicated that like, I like either, like it wasn’t -- like I just wasn’t at that place and then he got angry at me and was like: “Well, I don’t want to fuck you anyways”, or something along the lines. And then I was, I was annoyed at him for being so like, just not taking my needs into consideration. And, so, I left and I was like, I don’t need this, like, I’ll go home or not, sorry, I’m not going to go home, I’m going to get my belongings and like leave, because that’s not the type of sexual interaction I was interested in having. Q. You were just there to pick up your belongings in any event, right? A.
Correct. Like he was, he was not feeling well and wanted to go home and go to bed or whatever he wanted to do. He was in a bad mood. Q. And how long were you there before you decided to leave? A. Oh, maybe fifteen minutes. Q. Do you recall what time of day this was? A. Yeah, it was the evening, like, maybe around like nine or ten o’clock maybe.” [ 83 ] “Q. All right. Now, taking you to January 31st, 2015, you get to Mr. Ururyar’s apartment after Pauper’s. Do you recall who walks in the door first, yourself or Mr. Ururyar? A. I don’t recall. He has a key so I would presume he did. Q. Okay. Are you wearing a coat?
A. It was quite cold so yes, I would have been wearing a coat. Q. Were you wearing shoes or boots? A. I don’t remember my footwear of that evening. Q. Do you recall taking it off? A. No. Q. Do you recall taking your coat off? A. No. Q. Okay. Do you recall where you put your coat or where your coat was? A. When I woke up in the morning? Actually, no, I don’t remember. Q. Okay. When you woke up, you weren’t wearing your coat though, right? A. That’s correct.” [ 84 ] “Q. Okay. When you woke up, you were just wearing a bra and tanktop? Yes. Q. Okay.
And you don’t remember taking your pants or your underwear off, correct? A. Correct. Q. So, it’s possible that you took them off yourself, correct? A. I, yeah, it is –- I don’t –- I recall —- I don’t –- I know I didn’t take my underwear off but, I could have possibly taken my pants off. Q. But when you gave your statement to the police, you said that you didn’t remember taking your pants or your underwear off, right? A.
I guess it’s like I, I did not want to have sex with him so there would be no reason for me to take off my underwear, and that’s why I’m adamantly rejecting this suggestion that I would have taken off my underwear. I might have taken off my pants, it’s common for me to sleep in my underwear and a tanktop but, I often don’t sleep without panties on, so that’s why I reject that statement.
Q. Well, I .... A. It would be out of character for me to sleep without underwear on.” [ 85 ] “Q. I’m just asking you whether or not you recall telling the police that you don’t remember taking your pants or underwear off? Do you want to see the statement? A. Yeah, no, I understand that I said that. I just – I didn’t go into great details that I usually, if I – I just didn’t go into the details of my reasoning of why I would reject that. But yeah, I don’t remember the exact moment in which my pants or my underwear came off. If it happened with – I don’t remember a timeline of when that occurred. Q. Okay.
But I’m not asking you about a timeline, I’m just saying –- I’m asking you about whether you recall giving a statement to the police and saying: “I don’t remember taking off my pants and underwear”? A. Okay, yes. Q. Okay. And, so, it’s safe to say, you’d agree with me, that you don’t recall taking off your pants or underwear? It’s possible that you could have taken off your underwear and pants yourself? A. I mean, I guess it’s possible but, like I said, taking off my underwear myself is like a very low possibility. Q. You don’t remember, right? A. Yeah, you’re right.
I, I –- all I’m going off of is knowing myself and yeah, I don’t like have the, a detailed memory of that occurrence. Q. And you also don’t remember Mr. Ururyar taking off his pants or taking off his clothes?” [ 86 ] “Q. So, again, it’s possible that you could have even taken his clothes off? A. I -- there’s no way that I would have done that. Q. But you don’t remember, right? A. I was not an active participant in that interaction in any way. Q. But you don’t remember, right? A. I remember that I had no
part in that. I’d like to reread that exact statement, please. Q. And –- well, I –- we’ll go up and give you, your statement. It’s on page 15. And, so, Detective Barry, about halfway down the page, on page 15, says: “So, did he get undressed?”, referring to Mr. Ururyar. And your response: “I’m just thinking, yeah, he did. He must have because when I woke up, his clothes were next in the bed and I don’t remember like every –- I vaguely remember things. But I remember when he did that to me, he wasn’t wearing like underwear or pants, so he must have been.” Did I read that right? A. That’s correct. Q. Okay.
And, so, you’d agree with me that you didn’t remember Mr. Ururyar taking off any of his clothes, right?” [ 87 ] “Q. But you didn’t tell the police that, that you didn’t take off his clothes, correct? A. So, am I supposed to go through everything when I talk to the police. I didn’t take off his clothes, he didn’t take –- I don’t know if he took off his clothes or when he took off his clothes there. Q. So, you have no recollection whatsoever how Mr. Ururyar’s clothes came off? A. I was not involved in his clothes coming off.” [ 88 ] “Q. You remember the walk home with Mr.
Ururyar to his apartment, it was a very uncomfortable experience, right? A. Yeah, I guess uncomfortable is the word to use, sure. Q. Did you say comfortable or uncomfortable. A. Uncomfortable. Q. He was screaming and yelling at you, right? A. I wouldn’t use the word screaming but he had a raised tone and voice with me, one in which it was a very angry –- it was angry, yes.
Q. And I think you defined it as verbal aggression, right? A. Correct. Q. Okay. You remember Mr. Ururyar was angry for you not pursuing Lacey in coming over, correct?” [ 89 ] “Q. Okay. You remember Mr. Ururyar getting angry at you about people coming forward and asking him about your relationship with Mr. Ururyar? A. Apparently, yes. Q. Okay. You remember him getting upset with you about his girlfriend finding out about your relationship, right? A. Ew, yeah. Q. You remember arriving at Mr. Ururyar’s apartment, right? A. Vaguely. Q. You remember going straight to his room, right? A. Yes. Q. You remember that Mr.
Ururyar didn’t wear a condom, right? I’m sorry, you just have to .... A. Yes. Q. Thank you. You remember crying prior to having sex, right? A. No. We -- I cried after the rape took place. Q. Now, when you were describing the way that Mr. Ururyar had sex with you, I believe you said he was – he grabbed the back of your head? A. Correct. Q. And can you just show us again? A. Like ....” [ 90 ] “Q. Okay. So you’re grabbing with your right hand, you’re grabbing hold of a ponytail or a bun at the back of your head? A. Yeah, I don’t know what hand he used.
I just know that it was, like I said, I was sitting on the bed and he was standing up talking down to me. He said what he said and then, and then he like, pushed my head onto his penis and I don’t know what hand he used. I just, I could feel that and I felt it going into my mouth and yeah. Q. Okay. So, with either the right hand or the left hand but not both hands? A. Not both hands. Q. Okay. And in the morning, when you woke up, you said that Mr. Ururyar did the same thing in pushing, trying to push your head onto his penis, right? A. Correct. Q. Do you recall if Mr.
Ururyar was wearing any clothing at that time? A. I don’t recall what he was wearing. Q. You said that you texted a friend of yours after you left Mr. Ururyar’s apartment in the morning, correct? A. That’s correct. Q. Who did you text? A. Mylene.” [ 91 ] “Q. And when you woke up in the morning, how was Mr. Ururyar positioned? A. Like I mentioned, I could feel movement next to me which like woke me up and he was masturbating and I was confused. And then he saw that my eyes had opened and then he pushed my head and I was able to – and I said no, and I got up and I left. Q. Well, how was Mr. Ururyar positioned?
Was he sitting, standing, laying down? A. He was laying in his bed.
Q. Okay. And were there covers on, no covers on? A. I don’t remember. Q. Could you see his penis? A. Yes. Q. And, so, were there no covers on or did you have the covers over your head? A. I guess there would have been no covers then. Q. And where were you positioned when you woke up? A. I woke up, like lying –- like he was sleeping on, I guess the left hand side. If I was like looking at the bed, he was on the left hand side and I, like when I said I was crying in the fetal position, I cried –- I fell asleep like in that fetal position facing the wall. Q. Okay.
So the –- and it’s a queen sized bed, right?” [ 92 ] “Q. And, so, you were facing the wall when you went to sleep? A. I don’t remember, that’s how I woke up but, I, I would assume so. Q. Okay. And, so, when you wake up, when you open your eyes, your eyes are facing the wall, right? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. A. And I moved over ‘cause I felt movement and that’s when I saw him masturbating and I was confused. Q. And, did Mr. Ururyar force your head with one hand or two hands? A. I don’t recall. Q. And when Mr.
Ururyar forced his, tried to force your head onto his penis, did you –- other than the head in the hand, did you come into physical contact with him? A. What do you mean? Q. Did your mouth touch his penis? A. No, I –- he wasn’t pushing hard. Like, it was more of a, like it wasn’t, I don’t know how to best describe it but, it was not an aggressive push.
It was kind of just like oh, you’re awake, I’m going to, I’m going to give you this suggestion that you need to give me a blow job, which I was really, like I said, confused about because I went to sleep crying and I thought a decent human would ask me if I was okay when I woke up the next day. And I was able to come to and I was sober at that point and I just got up and I, yeah, and I left. So, it wasn’t, like it wasn’t -- there -- it wasn’t a lot of physical force but it was enough that I was uncomfortable.
It wasn’t, like it wasn’t very – it wasn’t a lot of physical force but it was enough that I was uncomfortable with that gesture and it was not a welcomed gesture at all. Q. And did you have to climb over Mr. Ururyar to get up? A. From what I remember and like, this is a year ago already, I remember, I think I just got up at the end of the bed. My clothes were at the end of the bed, I put them on and I just got out of there. Q. Did you have any conversation with Mr. Ururyar? A.
I said something to affect and I think this is in my police statement so I might need to reread it for verbatim, but I said: “No, I’m not letting you do this to me again.” Or: “No, I’m not doing this.” Q. And what was Mr. Ururyar’s reaction? A. He didn’t care. It didn’t seem to phase him one bit. Q. I’m going to suggest to you that that never happened in the morning? Mr. Ururyar never forced your head or tried to lead your head towards his penis? A. Well, then, like was he masturbating next to me?” [ 93 ] “Q. I’m going to suggest when you woke up, you got dressed right away and you could tell Mr.
Ururyar was still sleeping, correct? A. No.”
[ 94 ] “Q. And I’m going to suggest to you that when you woke up and put your coat on, you were glaring at Mr. Ururyar as you took your purse and left, right? A. I was probably glaring at him because I was so angry. Yes, I could see myself doing that. Q. You didn’t say a word to him in the morning, correct? A. No, like I said, I said: “No, you’re not doing this to me”, or something to that affect.” [ 95 ] His bedroom is the first one on a long hallway. She didn’t know if the other was open or closed. But she did hear some “rustling” around in the morning. [ 96 ] Ms.
Gray agreed that $40 on beers would be about four beers. So, the $40 was approximately four drinks that she had, maybe less depending on if you bout one for a friend. In total that night, she had maybe 7 beers. She was sitting at a booth with some friends just talking, she was not slurring. She was coherent. It was not a situation in which she felt embarrassed about. She was not embarrassed about anything that happened that night at Paupers or at Victory Café. [ 97 ] If she had to guess, it was as early as 7:00 p.m. when she arrived at the Victory Café. She saw the accused with a beer at one point.
He was standing next to the bar at Paupers when she went over and asked him if she could crash at his place. That’s the only time she remembers seeing him drinking. When she arrived at Mr. Ururyar’s apartment on January 31st, he was still quite angry with her, a very aggressive tone. It wasn’t yelling. It was really scary but it wasn’t yelling. It was really aggressive but she wouldn’t classify it as yelling or screaming. [ 98 ] “Q. Do you recall telling the police that he was yelling? A. Yeah, can I take a read at that statement again, please?
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